"Hillary Clinton Tries, FAILS to K.O. Bernie Sanders at NH Debate"

[RiverLover]

Hillary Clinton Tries, Fails to K.O. Bernie Sanders at New Hampshire Debate
The Daily Beast
2/5/16

Down by some 20 points in New Hampshire, the former secretary of state launched an all-out assault on her lone remaining Democratic rival. The results were less than she hoped for.

Hillary Clinton tried to force Bernie Sanders to make himself unelectable on Thursday night.

She failed.

Coming off what may prove to be a Pyrrhic victory in the Iowa caucuses and facing a potential double-digit drumming in next week’s New Hampshire primary, Clinton came out swinging.

Almost immediately, she characterized the Vermont senator as an unrealistic dreamer who is making promises that he cannot possibly keep. She argued that she was a sort of pragmatic progressive who might not paint a perfect picture of the future but would work hard to move the ball forward for Democratic causes.

And it all landed a little flat. It was more “Hope to Change” than “Hope and Change.” And after all the questions about her numerous Wall Street paydays as well as the continued controversy surrounding her State Department emails, one couldn’t help but think both issues will continue to haunt her.

...snip....

She then posited herself as an avowed enemy of the financial sector’s excesses. “I think the best evidence that the Wall Street people at least know where I stand and where I have always stood is because they are trying to beat me in this primary,” Clinton, the foremost recipient of Wall Street’s largesse this cycle, insisted.

Later, when asked by moderator Chuck Todd about whether she’d disclose the transcripts of her speeches to major banks, Clinton said she’d “look into it.”


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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/05/hillary-clinton-tries-fails-to-k-o-bernie-sanders-at-new-hampshire-debate.html

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. More like "Change your hopes" after proclaiming UHC will never happen.

she'd look into it

:eyeroll:

[RiverLover]

4. But she said she'd move the ball forward for our causes & that's the best we can hope for.

BULLSH*T.

We can do a lot in this country, we just need a strong, committed LEADER to do it.

She'll look into releasing them...yes or no Q...everything is triangulated or covered up with this person.

[Fast Walker 52]

40. Yep. I come up with a good nickname for her-- "Halfway Hillary"

[pengu]

52. No we can't - The audacity of Nope.

[jeff47]

54. Halfway is far beyond what she is proposing. (nt)

[Fast Walker 52]

56. that's true-- but the alliteration works

[72DejaVu]

2. "Settles for TKO"

[grntuscarora]

3. “On our worst days…we are 100 times better than any Republican candidate,"

Sanders said as Clinton nodded.

Now there's a quote all of DU can probably agree on

[A Simple Game]

19. Replace the our with my and we with I and this could have been a Hillary quote. n/t

[cprise]

29. The Hillary camp treats Sanders as a non-Democrat except

when quotes like this are offered up. Let me show you why its wrong.....

The Triangulators buy into the big lies.

[uponit7771]

5. Clinton exposed the fact that Sanders can't pass his own purity test and neither can 90% of

... other dems who've served progressive causes.

She didn't need to deal a blow, she blooded his nose on the progressive issues and that's all she needed to do

[blackspade]

18. Got a good example?

Your essentially saying Clinton 'won' by damaging the party. Nice.

[Fast Walker 52]

42. I don't think Sanders claims to be pure. The fact is, he fucking "gets it" on the big issues such as

big money in politics.

[uponit7771]

51. We disagree sanders sounds like he's pointing fingers at everyone

... In the "establishment"

Anyone who has looked at a dollar from a pack or outside group or from Wall Street is deamed a sell out

[navarth]

6. I thought she was very successful

at appearing unhinged.

[polly7]

7. I just saw a few clips of it and was sad at how she was allowed to

keep yelling above him when it was his turn to speak. I hate seeing that. It's one of the reasons I can't watch her much, she has no sense of fairness.

[madokie]

8. The Presidency is hers and by gawd thats just the way it is

There's no fair there. She's been running for this office since bill was elected back in'92. She's always had her eye on this prize
That to me is enough to shy away from her, hell run away from her is more like it.

If she keeps on this path she'll pop a blood vessel for sure.

[polly7]

9. That's true, and I guess when you can't defend yourself from honest questions and

on actual important issues respectfully, as Sanders does, you have to silence him ... or try to.

You can tell watching him how frustrated he is by it and how much he wants to get the facts out so that people can exercise their right to decide based on knowing as much as possible. I feel bad for him. Just as Obama when first running against her, he doesn't seem to be able to 'go there' and respond in kind - which may hurt him. Mind you, Obama did get pissed enough at it that he finally did, and I was so glad to see it.

[madokie]

10. I could see Bernie

getting pretty close to that point last night. I think he will ultimately get there
She is awful, totally out of control. if she doesn't tone it down she'll wind up with an aneurysm. She wants this Presidency really really bad and that scares the holee shit out of me.

[polly7]

12. It would me, too.

Jmho, but Bill Clintion started much of what people there and across the world are dealing with today and I honestly believe she sees nothing wrong with the results of it, she's made many close ties because of it with those who benefit most and cannot stand to think of the status-quo changing in any meaningful way. It wouldn't even make sense to her - she doesn't see a problem with it.

[livetohike]

11. As opposed to the constant yelling by Bernie Sanders. So much that he was hoarse

15 minutes into the debate. He does "Mr. Angry Man" really well. Cannot imagine watching that for four years.

[polly7]

13. The difference is ...........

he yells - his natural tone, even I've learned that from watching old videos of him in the Senate, about things he's passionate about. He does NOT yell to bully and silence.

BIG fucking difference.

[livetohike]

15. I disagree. Not necessary to curse about it either. The absolute hate and

mistrust of everyone who doesn't pass his Progressive purity test is disgusting and bullying. Normal, emotionally stable people don' t have to yell to make a point.

[polly7]

17. I've heard him in many, many 'normal' conversations - his tone is loud, naturally.

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Are you saying he's emotionally unstable?

He doesn't have the capacity to 'hate' others, he hates what's being done to people suffering and who need help. He always has.

And, I'll swear if I feel like it.

[pangaia]

34. ++++++++++++++++++++

[A Simple Game]

20. I don't understand this "Progressive purity test" that all Hillary supporters are talking about.

Could you explain it to me, a link would be helpful too.

Thanks.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. You chide others about strong language then accuse them of hate? Who the hell do you think you are?

Are you auditioning for DU House Mother? Your posts are screeds against others and you find 'cursing' offensive but not you own tirades of characterization? Amazingly self serving.

[livetohike]

33. LOL. A little touchy after Bernie's unpreparedness for

last night's debate?

[pangaia]

35. You sound just like Hillary Clinton.

[livetohike]

39. Thanks! I have liked her since 1992. While I didn't vote for her on the 2008 primary, I am

supporting her this time 😊.

[polly7]

38. You accused Sanders of being emotionally unstable for yelling,

what about Clinton?

[livetohike]

43. I was surprised to see that last night. I didn't like it, but I believe it

angered her to have her values as a Democrat questioned. Also, I think she may have been advised to be more forceful now that the race is down to two candidates. I think it was bad advice.

[polly7]

46. She's always yelling, I've seen it in many videos, particularly when asked questions

she's uncomfortable with.

Your selective outrage and trying so hard to label Sanders as the angry! (and now, emotionally unstable) man is fucked up, imo.

Sanders doesn't have to be 'advised' as to tone and language. Natural spontaneity and passion that comes from a lifetime of honesty isn't something that can be coached or faked. People see the difference, they aren't stupid.

[Puglover]

50. +100

[navarth]

23. I think you should apply that standard to your own candidate.

She was bellowing at the beginning. Unhinged. Flailing.

The only time she seemed calm was when she smirked; this while Bernie was being asked foreign policy questions. You could see the glee in her eyes as she just couldn't wait to win points.

Ambition, entitlement, anger. That's what I saw from her last night. Talk about bullying.

[livetohike]

32. That's what I've seen from Bernie since Ed Schultz made him a star

on his show every night.

[navarth]

55. And I told you what I saw from Sec. Clinton last night.

So Bernie's a bully? Sure.

[Javaman]

26. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511105519

[pangaia]

41. There is no fucking progressive test.

"Normal, emotionally stable people don' t have to yell to make a point.."

That is absolutely true.

Will somebody please tell her to shut up already.

[frylock]

59. Hillary is like a songbird in comparison, with her loud, monotonous droning.

[Fawke Em]

47. He's hoarse because he has acid reflux and has been addressing crowds a lot.

He wasn't yelling.

However, she was and she was interrupting, which I find very off-putting. Many people do. We've been told since we were small children that interrupting is rude.

[winter is coming]

14. I think she was hoping to needle him into an angry outburst.

And was probably also trying to get him to interrupt her in a similar fashion, so her surrogates could then claim he didn't respect her as a woman because he wouldn't let her speak.

[polly7]

16. That makes sense too.

I'm sure he does know what he's doing, he's certainly very intelligent and has probably seen the sexist and every other meme out there. Just unfortunate for the American people, really.

[nxylas]

27. Three little words

"Please proceed, governor".

[Petrushka]

36. If I didn't know better---and speaking as a woman---I'd say that outburst was due to PMS.

[winter is coming]

37. No. Just not enough sleep and not enough win. n/t

[Fawke Em]

49. I don't think she has that anymore.

And, I know you're joking.

[ljm2002]

58. As a woman who is about Hillary's age...

...I can say with conviction that PMS is not a factor.

[Helen Borg]

21. She did shout though!

It just came off as unpleasant, not passionate

[RiverLover]

24. She thinks that's the way to win over Bernie supporters.

Hint: That isn't what draws us to him, Hillary.

[Helen Borg]

25. PERHAPS SHE NEEDS TO SHOUT LOUDER!!!

[freebrew]

48. No doubt...

I can't even watch the debates. Her voice is not pleasant.

A bit better than Sarah's and a bit(like a lot) more intelligent, but similar effects on my ears... sand on glass...

Monotonic, no emotion, just loud.

[EndElectoral]

28. Her first truly bad debate performance - "Well, I don’t know. That’s what they offered."

[Helen Borg]

53. But WHY did they offer it, Hillary?

Because they know you.

[Fast Walker 52]

57. cute, but not adequate

Booman says it was a debacle for her:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2016/2/5/102056/6214

[jalan48]

30. Vote for Hillary?

I'll look into it.

[ejbr]

44. Ha! n/t

[gordyfl]

31. The New Hampshire Debate

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[pangaia]

45. That gets her eyes to a "T."