BERNIE WINS MSNBC DEBATE!! So sayeth Slate

[AtomicKitten]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/bernie_sanders_won_the_msnbc_debate_narrowly.html

[restorefreedom]

1. msnbc called it for bernie?

better call an ambulance for chris matthews.....

[PonyUp]

3. "Doctors try to put tingly feeling back into Chris Matthew's leg. Film at 11". nt

[Art_from_Ark]

6. LOL

[blackspade]

25. Yuk.

Horrible mental image....

[kath]

54. OMG!

[myrna minx]

9. Matthews has gone full Lord of the Flies Jack Merridew against Sanders.

Completely unhinged.

[awake]

11. He is worried that he will have to pay higher taxes

[oasis]

29. Matthews makes sense. He says the younger generation is more

prone to be attracted by offers of free stuff.

[myrna minx]

30. "Free stuff"? Oy.

[oasis]

33. Mathews dusted off an old saying "Don't tax you, don't tax me,

tax the guy behind that tree".

[myrna minx]

35. Yes, it's clear he's in full red baiting mode.

"Takers vs makers" trope.

Ps- I'm a middle aged woman who is happy to pay higher taxes for lower insurance premiums and I'm also delighted to help out the younger generation pay for college. That's something Democrats do- be forward thinking for the future generations, not calling them greedy takers.

[oasis]

39. Matthews did not characterize them as "greedy takers".

He only implied free tuition and health care were a natural attraction to young folks.

[winter is coming]

41. Isn't it funny how helping individuals is "free stuff"

but handing lucrative subsidies and tax breaks to major corporations is "good for America"? We pour a vast amount of money into the military-industrial complex, but it's never called "free stuff."

[ljm2002]

49. Isn't it, though...

...it's almost as if TPTB value $$$ over people...

[kath]

55. Yeah, in another thread itwas mentioned that GoldmanSachs's new headquarters was taxpayer-subsidized

What. The. Fuck.

There was also a LOVELY Pic of HRC at the groundbreaking of this headquarters.

[ejbr]

31. But they have no concern

about corruption in government? He may want to bring some young Sanders supporters on his show to get the full picture.

[oasis]

36. Bernie's campaign would have to clear anyone speaking for him.

Of course there will be no admission that the lure of free education and healthcare was the primary attraction to Bernie's campaign.

[ejbr]

37. Just as there would be

no admission that the lure to Hillary is her gender?

[oasis]

40. I've heard some women say it's time for a woman president. nt

[ejbr]

42. There's always Carly! n/t

[ljm2002]

50. "the lure of free education and healthcare"...

...you say that like it's a bad thing...

[oasis]

57. I like it, but It'll be a tough sell to the American voters

in the GE after a ton of Koch bros. ads about the costs.

[Goblinmonger]

38. ...

Attitudes like that are really going to get the younger demographic out to vote if Clinton gets the nomination. Just assume they know nothing about the issues. And we all know when there is low voter turnout, the Dems win.

[oasis]

43. If they care about issues, they'll vote for Hill in the GE

to keep the Supreme Court from becoming completely Scaliafied.

[d_legendary1]

45. ...

[Goblinmonger]

46. Why?

If they are constantly being told right now that they are stupid and only support the candidate because of "free stuff," or because they are naive, or because they are sexist/racist, or whatever the word or the day is, how would that make them want to come out and support the candidate who was saying that or who's supporters were saying that? You can't just beat them up and then say, "well, if you really cared, you'd still vote for this person." That sounds a lot like an abusive relationship.

[oasis]

52. If they don't care about the right wing makeup of SCOTUS

then, perhaps their not as "issue" driven as they're cracked up to be. Which brings us back to Matthew's "free stuff" as their real motivation.

[Goblinmonger]

53. OK. Good luck with that.

Just stay the course then. Make sure you stick to that if Clinton doesn't win.

[Enthusiast]

20. Better call one for me too.

[VulgarPoet]

2. Camp Weathervane: "something something argument from corruption"

"something something rainbows and unicorns something something something ideologue and not a true democrat".

there, I think I hit all the conservadem talking points.

[Mbrow]

14. LOL conseradem? let call them what they are

Republican light.

[VulgarPoet]

15. Eh, was trying to go for a quippier sort of less syllable-heavy portmanteau`

But once you get down to the splitting hairs level, that's... Really, exactly what they are.

[Shadowflash]

21. Republican

Minus the crazy.

[stevenleser]

4. You might want to check those last two links. Hint: O'Malley is in them.

Second hint: They are from previous debates.

The first link is an opinion piece by one Slate author, not the opinion of Slate.

[AtomicKitten]

8. corrected/all reviews of debates are opinions

[stevenleser]

17. Yes, but it's not Slate's opinion, it's one writer's opinion. nt

[Perogie]

18. aren't all just opinions anyway?

Whether it be a pundit or Mr/Mrs average citizen being asked in a focus group. Aren't they all just opinions of who won?

[stevenleser]

19. As I responded to that person, yes, but its that persons opinion, not Slate's opinion. nt

[Perogie]

22. understood, just wanted to add my opinion....lol

[longship]

5. NYTimes link is dated Jan 28.

So it does not reflect anything about last night's debate. Hell, it includes Martin O'Malley!

So that link needs correction or deletion.



On edit: the MSNBC link is dated Jan 17.

I highly suggest that you self-delete this OP, as it appears to be untrue as you present it.

[AtomicKitten]

7. corrected/old eyes + crappy phone

[longship]

10. That's okay, AK.

I use iPhone myself.

It's difficult sometimes. It's good that you corrected.

My best to you.

[AtomicKitten]

12. back at ya

[INdemo]

13. I am anxious to see what "fact Check reveals about Hillary"

Hillary's lies were well rehearsed..I will give her that.

[SmittynMo]

16. Hillary lost the election last night

For her to say she will never support single payer, will be the end of her campaign. Not supporting free tuition didn't help her cause either. IMO, she lost a lot more than the debate. All the rest of her baggage just falls in line with the rest of the bullshit.

[Shadowflash]

23. Yup. The campaign of 'No we can't!'

I never thought I'd see someone in a Democratic primary come out against single payer and say that higher education should not be available to all Americans.

[SmittynMo]

24. These two items alone

are huge to Americans. Why can't the richest country in the world afford this? No one can answer this. And Bernie is the ONLY person to address the elephant in the room. I'm telling you, she's done. Last night was monumental.

[maddiemom]

28. I wish it were referred to as "free TUITION," rather than "free college."

There's a big difference, especially for students who could commute from home. Some state schools used to have free tuition; notably California BEFORE St. Ronnie Reagan.

[pnwmom]

26. "The sum total of his foreign policy platform remains Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war in 2002

[AtomicKitten]

27. "Hillary Has Nothing to Brag About - Her Foreign Policy Record is a Disaster"

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/

[dreamnightwind]

44. +1, she has more in common with neocons than with someone like me

The Iraq war and its aftermath created ISIS, literally. She has also had her hands in the destabilization of many other nations, which leads to more terrorism, which leads to more U.S. involvement and arms sales, and to more domestic fear and pointing fingers at Muslims. It's all part of the same vicious cycle of violence, one Hillary is a huge part of.

Hillary is one of the most hawkish Democrats. If she wins the nomination, that side of her will be on full display in the general election.

[pnwmom]

56. Yes, we know most Bernie supporters can't stand President Obama

or the foreign policy he and Hillary carried out.

Especially that little thing where they got bin Laden. No one cares about that.

[WillyT]

32. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[gordyfl]

34. The Best Reponse (I thought)

MADDOW: Senator Sanders, as a Vermonter, you have almost a home state advantage here in New Hampshire. But back home across the border, you also have a long history of running against Democrats as a third-party candidate, for governor, Senate, for Congress.

In 1988 your candidacy as a third-party candidate arguably cost the Democrats a congressional seat and sent a Republican instead.
How can you lead the Democratic Party nationally when you have not been a member of the Democratic Party until very recently?

SANDERS: Well, Rachel, actually, that wasn't accurate. In 1988 the Republican did win, I believe, by 3 points. I came in second. It was 34-31, I think, 19 for the Democrat. In that race the Democrat was the spoiler, not me. And it is true...

[d_legendary1]

47. Well played Mr.Sanders

Well played. Same thing happened to us in Florida when Charlie Crist ran up against Marco Rubio and lost thanks to some no name Democrat.

[nolabels]

48. Must of been one of those surprise pool questions she was ushered to ask.

Not much of a surprise for people who know even just a few things about Bernie. That pool probably was thinking there they have chance to get Bernie a moment out of character while hitting him with a gotcha question.

Bernie is Bernie and most everything the guy seems to ever done seems to be done with forethought. I don't think they are going to have much luck with trying to impugn him with that approach.

[ljm2002]

51. Great response by Senator Sanders...

...so much for the "gotcha!" moment.

Go, Bernie!!!!!