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Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:31 AM Feb 2016

What progressive progress has Hillary Clinton ever made?

I think we can include cheer leading for, and working behind the scenes for the advancement of, the CHIP* (children's health insurance program) as one.

*By the way, CHIP is basically an expansion of eligibility of medicaid for kids, which happens to be form of socialized medicine. I am a firm supporter of the CHIP program and the expansion of medicaid. It's a good thing and something Clinton should be proud of being a part of advocating for and helping get passed.

But other than that, I can't recall one thing Hillary Clinton has made me aware of that is a.) progressive b.) something she deserves the spearhead of credit in terms of making progress on.

I feel like the "a progressive is someone who makes progress" is a slogan more than an embodiment of her record of getting a lot done.

This thread is a call to Hillary Clinton supporters to educate me and the rest of us on how much progress Clinton has made.

To start, I found this: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/seven-hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplishments/

But on that list, other than CHIP program, I am not finding anything that convinces me she is a progressive who makes progress except maybe on the fringe edges. Yes, there are some good things, but nothing so impressive that would substantiate the notion that "she gets things done" while implying "Bernie does not".

I think since Hillary Clinton is now using the "progressive who make progress" a cornerstone of her political frame, then we need to take her to task on exactly what she has done.

Examples in a bullet list would be great.

Thanks.

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What progressive progress has Hillary Clinton ever made? (Original Post) Bread and Circus Feb 2016 OP
....... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
.... PonyUp Feb 2016 #2
Zero...nada...none... cue the crickets. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #3
Here you go: NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #4
You've already lost that argument, Sanders admitted both she and Obama are progressives. stevenleser Feb 2016 #5
Why is Hillary no longer a liar? PonyUp Feb 2016 #6
Here you go. And while you're at it, respond to my point and dont derail the thread... stevenleser Feb 2016 #7
PonyUp - don't listen to him. Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #10
Anything I've got, Bernie's got. And congrats on a completely ad-hominem post stevenleser Feb 2016 #11
I said you have the Fox News infection Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #12
I am not a contributor to Fox News. I am a guest just like Bernie is when he appears stevenleser Feb 2016 #13
"I am a guest just like Bernie is when he appears" jberryhill Feb 2016 #14
I technically have been an elected official, yes. I was a district chair in Florida which counts stevenleser Feb 2016 #15
Apparently Ed Shultz doesn't share your hatred for RT nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #29
Well, I won't throw the LGBT community under the bus for my career. You can worship stevenleser Feb 2016 #32
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19
Are you failing to come up with a bullet list because you can't? Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #8
Again, take it up with your candidate for President. You need to correct him before you come to us. stevenleser Feb 2016 #9
I take your response as that you can't answer the question. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #16
Of course he can't. 99Forever Feb 2016 #35
Nope, you can take my response as you are supporting someone who disagrees with you on this point stevenleser Feb 2016 #21
Still no list. frylock Feb 2016 #22
Fail. Go back to your shocking revisionist history cali Feb 2016 #25
Your posts are just a crock full of shit. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #30
Since you get everything wrong, I'm glad you think so. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #34
Anyone? Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #17
Bueller? Bueller?? kath Feb 2016 #20
Well, her attempts to overhaul health care in the 90s... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #18
Here is another chance to list the progressive accomplishments. Please and thank you. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #23
Again... anyone? Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #24
She brought better schools and roads... uh, to Iraq? EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #26
More cemeteries, at least. kath Feb 2016 #28
Honestly thats better than what Clinton supporters have managed to list so far. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #31
Nothing. n/t tazkcmo Feb 2016 #27
She said what happened in Flint was bad. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #33
Are you asking for things she's done (actual progress) OR things she's said (Sanders-style) wyldwolf Feb 2016 #36
Epic fail farleftlib Feb 2016 #37
because it pops your bubble wyldwolf Feb 2016 #38
Aw you have the sadz farleftlib Feb 2016 #39
Aw you have boilz wyldwolf Feb 2016 #41
Hillary supporters present facts. Bernie supporters reply with smilies. DanTex Feb 2016 #40
Bernie followers live in an alternate reality wyldwolf Feb 2016 #42
I have to give you credit for at least trying. Thanks. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #43
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
5. You've already lost that argument, Sanders admitted both she and Obama are progressives.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

If you disagree, take it up with your candidate.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
7. Here you go. And while you're at it, respond to my point and dont derail the thread...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Feb 2016

My Endorsement of Hillary Clinton for President

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251662117

 

Flying Phoenix

(114 posts)
10. PonyUp - don't listen to him.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

He didn't even support Clinton in 2008. Wrote tons of articles about why he didn't like Clinton.

Typical flip-flopper and not even worth the read these days. He has the Fox News infection (Google his username, and you'll see him)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
11. Anything I've got, Bernie's got. And congrats on a completely ad-hominem post
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie also guest appears on Fox. I congratulate you on a completely ad-hominem post with no redeeming value whatsoever.



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. I am not a contributor to Fox News. I am a guest just like Bernie is when he appears
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:22 AM
Feb 2016

You really ought to make sure you know what you are talking about before you make assertions. Otherwise you really look silly, like you do now.

You just attacked your own candidate for President. Well done!!!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. "I am a guest just like Bernie is when he appears"
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

You personally are a newsworthy elected official whose opinions are a matter of general public interest?

I frankly don't care where you appear, but this is a broken comparison.

A US Senator appearing on a television show for an interview and discussion of his positions, is not at all comparable to a guest commentator. I'm surprised you can't see the distinction between those two things.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
15. I technically have been an elected official, yes. I was a district chair in Florida which counts
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:46 AM
Feb 2016

as an elected official. So no, it's not a broken comparison.

The broken comparison is to say Bernie has some better reason to be on than I do. Assuming its this hated entity.

I consider RT a hated entity and I don't go on there anymore as a result. If Bernie thinks the same about any other media source, he shouldn't go on. It's that simple.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
29. Apparently Ed Shultz doesn't share your hatred for RT
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016


“This is the problem with news culture today. Big money and corporate interest drown out a lot of voices,” he (Ed) said, noting that “RT completes the picture of the events in the US and around the globe, giving viewers access to a range of stories, voices and opinions, and a real opportunity to speak their minds.” https://www.rt.com/usa/328933-ed-schultz-news-show/




If I had to choose between Shultz and someone that flip flops on a politician like Hillary, I'm going with Shultz
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
32. Well, I won't throw the LGBT community under the bus for my career. You can worship
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

Someone who does, that's your business.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
8. Are you failing to come up with a bullet list because you can't?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

My original post is a question, not an argument. I even give credit for CHIP and provide an example.

This is an opportunity for you to expand on that.

Additionally, because I know you are just trying to "change the frame" this isn't about the label of "progressive" but rather this is about the self-described label of "a progressive who makes progress" that Clinton has now adopted and fervently promotes. Thus, if you want to be a productive part of the conversation here, you need to answer the original question. You are not as clever as you think you are, Steven Leser. Your tricks are not lost upon many of us.

Also, I would like to remind you that you said in the past Clinton was to morally impaired to be President or too stupid to be President. I think you said she was a liar, please correct me if I am wrong. Thus, I think you have a very burden upon you at DU to speak truthfully as your past performance is not exemplary in your relationship with Clinton. This means you have a lot to make up for.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
35. Of course he can't.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:56 PM
Feb 2016

This is how he operates. I ceased taking anything that Faux News wannabe says seriously years ago.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
21. Nope, you can take my response as you are supporting someone who disagrees with you on this point
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

for the most important elected office we have.

Once you reconcile that, you can argue the point with Hillary supporters.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
18. Well, her attempts to overhaul health care in the 90s...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

...taught Obama how not to do it. So maybe that counts for something.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
36. Are you asking for things she's done (actual progress) OR things she's said (Sanders-style)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.

She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

She was http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/press/speeches/association_for_better_ny.shtm" target="_blank">instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

Was http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/statements/details.cfm?id=249895" target="_blank">instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.

Stuff: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/leslie-marshall/2014/02/19/hillary-clintons-accomplishments-speak-for-themselves

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
40. Hillary supporters present facts. Bernie supporters reply with smilies.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

Pretty much a summary of GD-P.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
42. Bernie followers live in an alternate reality
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

For starters, they have their own dictionary where 'fact' is defined as 'truthiness.'

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