2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWant a Senate Lapel Pin Like Bernie's?
Here:
http://www.amazon.com/United-States-Senate-Seal-Lapel/dp/B00KAJ4NWC
It's interesting that you can have one of your own so inexpensively. Now, I doubt it will get you through airport security, but you can buy one if you want one.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Being a US Senator isn't. It takes a lot to become a member of the Senate. Bernie has earned his pin, but it's not the pin that gets him respect. It's being elected multiple times to that house of Congress.
Wear it proudly, Bernie!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I'd rather have a Bernie 2016 button on my lapel....that is, if I ever wore something that had a lapel.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)there's already a Bernie 2016 button in that spot.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I'm not a Congressman, but I play one on TV.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I ate some Senate bean soup once. Made me fart. You can buy that on Amazon, too, but it won't make you a Senator any more than the pin will. It will probably make you fart, though.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)That's a souvenir pin that they sell in the Senate gift shop to little kids and people who want to look important. But it won't get anyone anywhere in Washington. In fact, people in Washington just smile at the people who walk around with those cheap pins on.
Don't believe me? Put it on and then show up at the Capitol and try to stroll past the magnetometer or walk onto the Senate floor or go past airport security with it. Someone - probably with a badge and a drawn gun - will very quickly let you know there's a difference between your silly little souvenir and an official Senate pin.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)That's obvious. My point is that it is not the pin that makes the Senator. Bernie earned his pin by being elected multiple times to the Senate. He should wear the pin with pride.
If I were a Senator, I'd pin one on, too. I'd never begrudge any Senator wearing that pin, and I'd step aside smartly to let him go in front of me anywhere. I'd do the same for any Senator, even a Republican.
The pin provides some entitlement, but it's an entitlement that is earned.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)I am not questioning his wearing of the pin. But the pin IS the embodiment of entitlement. And that entitlement comes as a result of his being a member of the very Establishment he criticizes others for belonging to. It gives him special privileges and special access that others don't get. I don't have a problem with that at all. The pin is not the issue - it is just the symbol of the elite privilege that he has availed himself of - privilege that the average person could never obtain.
If I were a Senator, I'd wear the pin all of the time, too - I'd probably figure out a way to wear it on my pjs... But I also don't go around criticizing people for being in the Establishment just because they happen to be in certain jobs.
But when Sanders out of hand dismisses "mayors and governors and Senators and Members of Congress" who endorse Hillary because, by virtue of their political jobs, they are, in his view, members of the "Establishment," - and mind you, he didn't say they are Establishment because of any view or positions they've taken, but just because of their jobs - he leaves himself open to being called a hypocrite since he holds the same position these people do. If THEY are in the Establishment because they are part of the political elite, so is he.
Bernie Sanders has proven himself to be perfectly comfortable, not only being a part of that establishment, but also in taking full advantage of the privileges that members of that establishment receive, so he is not in a really good place to point his finger at them.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Anyone who manages to get elected to Congress multiple times is. Comes with the job. Being part of the establishment is part of the job, even if you claim not to be. So?
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Sanders decries and dismisses others for being part of the very "Establishment" that he is obviously a member of. That is hypocrisy.
Senator Sanders: I will absolutely admit that Secretary Clinton has the ... support of far more governors, mayors, members of the House (of Representatives). She has the entire establishment or almost the entire establishment behind her."
That is all.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Nobody asked Bernie if he was part of the establishment. He is, of course. He is a career politician and one who has risen almost to the top of the establishment that is Congress. There's nothing at all wrong with that.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)And consistently attacks Clinton, her endorsers and his colleagues for being .Establishment," solely by virtue of their job titles - when he's held the same jobs - and for longer than most.
I'm not calling him on being part of the Establishment. I'm calling him out for attacking his fellow Establishment members while pretending he's not one of them, when according to his own definition, he unequivocally is..
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)I'm still looking for a good quality either pentagram lapel pin or an all-seeing eye lapel pin. Cause, y'know. Illuminati confirmed.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Good luck with your search.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)And the local homeless, and Fluffy and Rover, too.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I'd have no use for such a thing.