2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Look, let's get this straight." (Tell it, John!!!)
by John Atcheson
Common Dreams
2/5/16
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Look, lets get this straight.
It wasn't very long ago when Hillary Clinton favored the TPP, the Keystone XL Pipeline and the death penalty.
She also opposed gay marriage and reinstating Glass-Steagall.
Her foreign policy is closer to the neocons who got us into Iraq (which she voted for) than what the American people favor.
Shes flipped on immigration, gun control, and NAFTA.
Thats not progressive.
She attributes her changes towards progressivism to evolving as a result of new information.
But as Politico points out, for most of these issues, there was no new information. For example, whats changed on gay marriage, other than public opinion?
It also begs a question: if Sanders could see the folly of invading Iraq, or the stupidity of repealing Glass-Steagall, or the gross inequity of trade pacts, why couldnt she?
Either she has bad judgment, or shes being disingenuous about flip-flopping.
But now its apparent that the American people are taking a progressive turn and so, Hillary is shedding her moderate coat, and donning her progressive one.
When Mrs. Clinton filled with righteous indignation says lets talk about issues and lets look forward, what shes really saying is lets not talk about my campaign financing, or my policy history, because it wont bear the scrutiny my new, new, new progressive brand demands.
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Read in full~
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/progressive-30-beware-latest-version-hillary-clinton
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)The End.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)She was progressive at first when she was trying to counter Bernie, and then she turned moderate perhaps thinking at one point that his momentum disappeared, and now that it's clear that he's not going away, she's progressive again.
I mean, talk about flip-flop. For her, it's not just on the issues -but her identity as a politician.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Her Authenticity gap is widening.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the lefties, some from the centrists, and you'll have 180% the voters from someone just talking like a lefty
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Using goofy shit like #sandersopure to sidestep the reality of Hillary's checkered record (rhyme), is weak.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Why the hell your you believe her?
She has a history of saying she changed her mind because the poll say so
Talk about blind- faith
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I have never felt since bernie announced that he wouldn't win. Its a knowing feeling that I can't explain. I just know that power will never cede power without a fight. But Bernie enjoys the fight and his focus is on us. We will carry him to victory. All of us.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She said last night that executing prisoners is an "appropriate punishment".
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I personally agree it's a big issue but that's one area she's holding true to her conservative values. I'm betting for most people, that capital punishment takes a backseat to other issues.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I just can't personally reconcile being pro-state sanctioned murder with progressive values. Especially since the death penalty is inherently racist.
How do you humanely kill a person? Tennessee is thinking about bringing back the firing squad, and they already have ole sparky on standby.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...was how the issues were polling.
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that her vote on the IWR was a political (mis)calculation. Her full-throated speech in defense of the vote was calculated to shore up her cred in the circles of Very Serious People in DC, so they would recognize that she could make "hard choices" in a non-partisan way.
Well that of course backfired hugely. Not only did the war (aka illegal invasion and occupation) go badly, and the aftermath continues to be nightmarish with no end in sight -- but politically it has hurt her badly.
Bernie, on the other hand, took an unpopular stand based on principle, and that is now serving him very well politically.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.