Sanders DID say it, right to her face, in a previous debate.

[thesquanderer]

In last night's debate, one of Hillary's big moments (pro or con, depending on your perspective) was when she said:

I really don't think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are worthy of you. And enough is enough. If you've got something to say, say it directly.

He already did say it directly, in the November debate in Iowa.

SANDERS: I mean, you know, let's not be naive about it. Why do-- why over her political career has Wall Street {been} a major-- the major-- campaign contributor to Hillary Clinton? You know, maybe they're dumb and they don't know what they're gonna get. But I don't think so....They expect to get something. Everybody knows that.

This is when Hillary objected that he was impugning her integrity (and went all 9/11 on him). So... she doesn't like the message when he says it directly, nor does she like the message when he says it obliquely. Guess she just doesn't like the message.

[daleanime]

1. If she thinks that talking about her actions is an attack....

that means that she knows her actions were wrong.

[Hiraeth]

3. bingo

[GreatGazoo]

4. She is acting on advice of Joel "Change You Can Believe In" Benenson

The guy who, together with Obama, put Clinton away in 2008. Benenson believed it would be a mistake for Obama to be overt in his "contrasts" with Hillary. Now that he works for Hillary, he is trying to claim that Bernie has made the mistake of being too overt.

"Change You Can Believe In" was Benenson's attack on HIllary's character in 2008 without naming her, without just saying "You can't believe her and she isn't Change"

“Change you can believe in” was intended to frame the argument along the character fault line, and this is where we can and must win this fight. We cannot let Clinton especially blur the lines on who is the genuine agent of change in this election.
...
Attacking Clinton as “driven by politics, not conviction” and arguing that she “puts preserving political power ahead of reliable principles or progress for the American people” was a tricky for Obama. After all, if he represented a new way of doing politics, he couldn’t sound like a traditional politician on the attack.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton

[thesquanderer]

9. Bernie is following Obama's model there

His slogan: "A future to believe in" -- and the signs shift from standard type to bold when you get to the word "Believe." So he's making the same delineation you describe in your post. He's the genuine one, the one you can really believe.

[2pooped2pop]

2. She then spent the rest of the debate talking over Sanders and basically using his time as hers.

[Hiraeth]

7. how very regally rude and self absorbed of her.

[Arazi]

5. Good catch

[6chars]

6. she is the victim here

she's not the one showing a lack of character by implying that someone who gives paid speeches and takes large donations is influenced by them.

[Hiraeth]

8. so sick of her playing the victim card. Come to my area I will show you some victims of her and

Bill's agendas.

[6chars]

10. well, they are victims too

[Hiraeth]

11. everybody is a victim of something.

[GoneOffShore]

13. Victims of their own hubris.

[Myrina]

14. Wait, what day of the week is it?

She's either "I am woman hear me roar" or "Poor me, a frail little grandma being attacked by the big mean Communist".

It's getting really old, and meanwhile, her surrogates - Barney Frank, Claire McCaskill, Anthony Weiner, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz et al - are on all the networks attacking Bernie from all sides.

Victim, my ass.

[RoccoR5955]

20. Question for you.

If Clinton took the money for her speaking engagements, why didn't she donate it to a charity?
My answer is simple: Greed.

[laundry_queen]

29. We were talking about this yesterday at work

we knew this would be an issue, she knew this would be an issue. She must be all kinds of tone deaf not to mitigate this with a donation to charity before now. It's either tone-deafness, hubris or greed. None are very appealing.

[Helen Borg]

12. Hillary's plan was obvious!

She thought she might push him to be rude to her, accuse her explicitly to be a liar, which is one of the things that for some reason you cannot do in debates. She kept poking him, but he responded well.

[EndElectoral]

15. She doesn't like because there is no real defense to taking bribes from corps.

[redruddyred]

16. this was the defining moment of the debate for me

next time some clinton supporter whines "BERNIEBRO WAS MEAN TO ME!!" i'm calling bullshit. it's not "mean" to point out the flaws of your candidate, her platform. it's called criticism, and it's frequently impersonal. it's also a valuable, and constructive process.
in my naive fantasyland, being elected to public office is about serving the american people, not goldman sachs.
hillary cannot do her job if she's taking hundreds of thousands from our financial institutions.

towards the end sanders expressed his like and respect for ms clinton.
she'd lost mine.

[MuseRider]

26. Grownups take criticism

without getting all defensive about it. They will consider it and then reply with a well thought out, non reactive response while accepting the different points or not. This reactive knee jerking is a good part if not a huge part of the problems with this country and very obvious in our government.

Nobody is right all the time. Criticism is something we all have to deal with. I would 1000x rather vote for someone who would take it straight on and consider it than someone who just fires back immediately with pre-programed, pre-scripted bs.

Still, like pointed out above, a fact is a fact not a smear or allegation or criticism, it is a fact. That part is not debatable.

[ejbr]

17. Color me confused, but

if she understands what he is saying through his insinuations, why does he need to "say it directly"? Apparently, the message has been received.

[thesquanderer]

30. She was trying to score a rhetorical point.

It's the kind of line that can psycholgically play well.

In a way, she was telling Bernie to "man up."

It did project a certain kind of strength, but ultimately, I don't think it really served her very well. The issue transcends debate tactics, and Bernie countered her rhetorical maneuver by doubling down on the substance.

[Bernin4U]

32. Indeed. We heard so much about what a champ

...debater she is. Yet, armed with as much ammunition as she can carry, Bernie artfully contains it and sends it right back at her.

[DirkGently]

18. There's nothing smeary or unfair about it.

What I wish the Sanders campaign would articulate a little better is that there is no need to prove, as HRC suggested, that she "changed her vote" on something due to her ties to the financial sector.

It's not a question of quid pro quo corruption. It's a question of point of view. Ms. Clinton eats, sleeps, and breathes Wall Street thinking. Her framing of the financial meltdown as the result of a few insurance firms, i.e. "shadow banking" ignores the fact that the major banks were all eyeballs-deep in the heedless mortgage lending that led to the crisis.

These are her friends. Her colleagues. People who like her well enough to pay her a fortune just to speak with them.

It's not that they are paying her off. It's not that she is trading dollars for votes. That is not the question.

The question is: How do you regulate people with whom you identify as peers and colleagues? People whose point of view you have absorbed through your very skin?

This is not a Hillary Clinton problem. It is a problem with the way everything is done, everywhere. It's not the only problem, or the only thing we need to discuss, but the fact that Ms. Clinton sees everything as fine so long as she is not accepting envelopes full of cash in exchange for American policies is an enormous problem for her and for the rest of our political system.

And she does not seem to want to acknowledge it.

[thesquanderer]

28. Also, it is just natural to not look for ways to bite the hand that feeds you.

So at best, maybe you nibble a little.

[frylock]

19. Come at me bro!

I'm still laughing about that!

[840high]

21. She doesn't listen - just interrupts.

[Go Vols]

23. yep

[ErikJ]

22. Bernie was a carpenter. Nail meet Hammer.

Just keep hammering it home every day.

[Volaris]

24. It's not a personal attack of Hillarys mastery of the system.

It's a critique of the system Hillary has mastered (much to her hard work, intelligence and credit). I very much understand how subjectively, one could confuse the 2.

Objectivley, there is a very important distinction between the two.

[thesquanderer]

25. That's true, but from the perspecive of a political campaign...

...there's very little difference in voter appeal between "you are a corrupt politician" and "you are merely a typical politician in a corrupt system". So you are correct, they are not the same, and Bernie is basically saying the latter and not the former... but from a voter's perspective, either is damning, if this is an issue of importance to you.

[uhnope]

27. she didn't want an answer. She wanted to play victim & goad him into either rudeness or apology

she got neither and lost

[cui bono]

31. That whole disingenuous rant by her was disgusting.

What a liar.

.