"The Tide Has Turned Against Clinton"

[Fast Walker 52]

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2016/2/5/102056/6214

"Sanders came out of Iowa energized and with all the momentum.. And it showed in the debate last night. The first hour was a near-total debacle for Clinton.

It began when she fell into the trap I warned her about of coming across as the "No, We Can't" candidate.

I'm not sure why the Clinton campaign wants to fight over who's a progressive. The progressive movement pretty much defines itself as being in opposition to the politics of the Democratic Leadership Council and, to a significant degree, 1990's-style Clintonism. What she needs to do to appeal to progressives is not to insist that she is and always has been one of them. That just elicits incredulous guffaws of outrage. What she needs to do is show that she's not a clone of her husband, and never was. And, to state what should be obvious, no one who doesn't consider themselves a progressive is going to care if Clinton considers herself a progressive. The only people who care about this debate are the progressives who, overwhelmingly, agree that Sanders is progressive and Clinton is not.

Even more head scratching is her attempt to claim that she isn't part of the Establishment. She's the former First Lady, a former senator from New York, and a former Secretary of State. She's worth millions, and she and Bill run the Clinton Global Initiative that deals with the Establishment of countries all across the world. Saying that she's not the Establishment is ridiculous on its face. Imagine if Eleanor Roosevelt, while serving as Ambassador to the United Nations, had attempted to argue that she was a political outsider!

And that's before we add in that she can walk into the Conrad Hotel in Lower Manhattan to talk to Goldman Sachs executives and walk out a couple of hours later with a check worth more than her opponent's total net worth. "

Interesting post from a more center-left pundit who has generally supported Clinton up to now.

[Dawson Leery]

1. This jackal was anti-Hillary in 2008.

[nichomachus]

2. Like a lot of other people

SO, people who don't worship Hillary are "jackals?" A good way for the Hillary brigade to win friends and influence people. No wonder she's sinking like a stone. Her followers are dragging her down.

[HooptieWagon]

5. Yep.

Clinton is not the inspirational candidate that Obama was. She's not going to bring a lot of young and new voters to the polls. If nominated, she's going to need every single Sanders supporter to vote. The name-calling, insults, and put-downs are going a long way to insure they won't.

[SwampG8r]

8. Shes very inspirational

Look at what she has inspired her followers.to write about one of the most stalwart allies of the democratic party just here on du.
Look how she has inspired her daughter to lie.
Look how.she inspires brock to act.
She is very i inspirational in the same way she is experienced.
Judgement isnt an issue with her experience so why should it be to her inspiration.

[FrostyAusty]

12. Ha!

+1

[Fast Walker 52]

4. I remember there was some kerfuffle with him and Hillary supporters back in 2008

but in any case, this cycle he has been more pro-Hillary than pro-Bernie.

[earthside]

7. 2008 or 2016 ... she is the same flawed candidate.

Take a step back and look at Hillary's political history, her activity for over 30 years -- what does she stand for?

This is her huge, enormous problem. She is about political ambition that has superseded any adherence to big, overarching principles.

Is she conservative, moderate, center, liberal, progressive?
Is she for the working people or does she live in the world of the 1 percenters?
Is she a radical feminist or is she an evolving traditionalist?
Is she an economic populist or an enabler of the banksters?

Is she against Citizens United or is she an exploiter of Citizens United?

Like or hate Bernie Sanders, but he has by and large been consistent for decades and decades about who he is and what he believes in (he's not perfect, but he's been steady and reliable to his principles). So, campaigning and debating is easy for him because he has been advocating for the same ideas almost for his whole life.

Hillary is in trouble because she has to try and make all of her different, accommodating positions and political decisions fit into something that voters can comprehend now ----- and it won't work. For too long she has tried to be all things to too many different people and interests.

Many, many Americans are in economic trouble and whether you call him a socialist or a unicorn-lover, Sanders is talking about ways to help us out that we can understand ... Hillary is still talking about herself.

You bet the tide is turning.

[bigwillq]

10. Good post.

[Fast Walker 52]

14. good points-- she is the classic pragmatic Democrat

definitely she supports women's rights for instance, and basic Democratic ideas. But there is no over-arching theme -- except maybe by promoting herself as president, she is promoting women's rights. Which is ok in itself. But probably not a winning message.

[roguevalley]

19. to me she doesn't support women's rights when she supports the 1% and money. women are the

biggest victims of both. She can't be one and then the other too.

[m-lekktor]

15. excellent post!nt

[LittleGirl]

21. I would consider this an OP post...well done. eom

[renate]

25. I don't know much about Hillary's history

But I think her support of the Children's Defense Fund was sincere, and I think her very hard work on health care in the 1990s was from the heart. I'm sure there have been many other things she's done as first lady, senator, and secretary of state that were unselfish and with a true intention of doing good. I like her, just not as much as I like Bernie.

I think she's not a natural politician and would rather get down to business than do all this campaigning, and that's starting to show. It also must be hella frustrating (and she's only human) to have her extensive experience as a senator and secretary of state, and to have had to wait for eight years having basically been told by everyone in the entire media and political worlds that her time would come, to see 2008 happening all over again.

She and Bill are not the first politicians to make bank after leaving the White House or other political office, and since the system allows it, I can't blame her. I don't know... I just feel bad seeing all this criticism of her.

[raindaddy]

30. Really well stated!

"This is her huge, enormous problem. She is about political ambition that has superseded any adherence to big, overarching principles."




She keeps trying to shrug off Speaking fees and donations, millions of dollars that have fueled her campaigns and made her and Bill a fortune..She gives off the sense that she doesn't see anything wrong with using her time serving the public to extremely wealthy. And as you said many people are struggling economically, young adults are mired in student debt, many people are working at nowhere jobs for many of these people Hillary is a symbol of what's wrong with the system..

[Schema Thing]

9. Being an Obama supporter does not make one a "Jackal", even if they point out Hillary's flaws.

[left-of-center2012]

11. If Hillary gets the nomination

She'll want the vote of jackals

[Live and Learn]

32. So was I and for good reason! Were you anti-Obama? nt

[artislife]

38. So were most Obama supporters....nt

[WillyT]

3. K & R !!!

[HassleCat]

6. In the same bind as Jeb

Just as Jeb cannot deny his brother, Hillary cannot deny Bill.

[UglyGreed]

13. K/R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Not only do the Clintons act like they OWN the Democratic Party....

But now they claim to own the word "progressive" too.

Which THEY claim means "not Liberal".

[kytngirl]

17. But can he WIN in November?

We need a Democrat who can win in November. I like Bernie. I believe he is a man of the people. I believe he will try his best to do right for the the people. But can we win?

I believe most Democrats like him and support him. Can he win in a general election though? As much as I think Hillary is a wrong choice for the people, I'd take her over ANY republican on ANY given day at ANY given time.

Are our choices a favorite who can't win or an unfavorable who can win?

[roguevalley]

20. mrs. unfavorable can't win. read the polls. bernie can. WHEN DID AMERICA DECIDE TO NOT BELIEVE IN

ANYTHING!? He will win, kytngrl. Believe. By the way, welcome aboard.

[Ino]

24. I don't know why you think Hillary can win a GE.

The younger voters who are turning out to support Bernie will stay home if Hillary gets the nomination.
Many disappointed/angry Sanders supporters will not vote for her.
Forget any Independent or crossover Republican voters (which you WOULD get with Sanders).
The Republican base will turn out in DROVES to vote against Hillary.

All the above means we get a Republican in the White House.

What's more, downticket Democrats will lose as well from the depressed Dem turnout.

Bernie has 34+ years in ELECTED positions (mayor, House, Senate), while Hillary has spent only 8 years as an elected Senator. She LOST 8 years ago to an unknown Obama.

She can't win a GE. She won't win.

[Marty McGraw]

26. ( ._.)

http://ilikeberniebut.com/


This may help ease those worries...

[99th_Monkey]

28. That's a erroneous Clinton talking point: poll after poll shows Sanders runs stronger than Hillary

against anyone in the Clown Car.

Add to that, the fact that Bernie has a very strong appeal to
Independents <-- You MUST have these to win in a GE.

Add to that that Bernie NOW has won over 25% of the Republican
voters of Vermont, who voted for him in his last re-election to US Senate.
This illustrates he can make a sizable dent in GOP voters as well in GE.

ALL of these point to Bernie being a much much stronger candidate in the
GE, and much more likely to win than Hillary, who is hated by Republicans,
and not trusted by Independents.

[uppityperson]

35. Do you really think people will vote Repub if he gets the nomination? More than would if

she did?

Who will vote other if he gets the nomination except those who will do so no matter whom the Dem nomination is? Serious question.

[cui bono]

36. Of course he can!

Have you seen the enthusiastic crowds he draws? Hillary can't do that.

He's got a positive favorable rating. Hillary does not.

He will bring new voters out to the polls and he can get crossover votes from Republicans and independents that swing both ways.

Hillary will cause a lot of the left and youth to stay home out of apathy and bring out the Republicans in droves just so they can vote against her.

Hillary has too much baggage.

.

[cannabis_flower]

41. If he can beat Hillary, he can win.

[Aldo Leopold]

18. There's that "can't" thing again.

[zentrum]

22. Well said.

When she ranted at him and spoke over him demanding he stop the "smear campaign"—she sounded unhinged. As if she couldn't control herself or get herself to stop. I think she's deeply angry that Sanders is standing in the way of the job she feels belongs to her.

What we want her to be this angry at is Wall Street, Corporate corruption etc. But no, she loses her cool over Uncle Bernie.

My feeling was that in terms of the limbic reactions that so effect who we like and who we don't, for viewers across the country—she lost the debate in that moment.

[Juicy_Bellows]

31. Well said. I agree.

His reply was brilliant. He could have listed specifics of her being bought and paid for decisions but instead he asked the big questions that everyone could understand. He just dropped a bomb.

And she helped dropped a cluster bomb on many innocents - I suggest this be her new campaign song:

[Dustlawyer]

23. +1!!! Excellent post and comments!

[TIME TO PANIC]

27. K & R!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. Certainly she's not a clone of her husband. But she can't dissociate herself when

she and Bill ran as a 'twofer' back when he was running. She wants to claim his glories, but pretend she had no part in his disasters.

[onehandle]

33. The 'Not Hillary' Party prefers headlines that are anti-Hillary rather than pro-Bernie.

Says it all.

[katmondoo]

34. The tide has turned

Hillary back up

[Lorien]

37. If he's center-Left

then he should have sided with Bernie all along:

[sabrina 1]

40. See below, I remember him as a blogger on Daily Kos years ago. I would have described him as

I woculd describe him as more Center Right. Loyal to the party, though airc, he did have 'left' views on some things.

[sabrina 1]

39. I always saw Booman as a more center right blogger. But I do agree with the points he

makes. However, if Hillary wants to fight with herself over whether she's a moderate or a progressive, she's free to do so imo.

She DID say she was 'center, moderate' She 'pled guilty to it'. Then this week she said she had 'always been a Progressive'.

Whatever, these are labels. She needs to explain her policy positions, not the labels she personally goes by.