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uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:34 PM Feb 2016

Last night Clinton exposed the fact that Sanders CAN NOT pass his own purity test

... and neither can a good portion of progressives who've busted their ass's for liberal causes.

But the next day Sanders camp and supporters continue applying this defunct purity test to everyone else!!!

Including Franks!!

John Lewis a sell out too!?

REALLY!!?!?


At what point will Sanders camp stop intimating that Bernie Sanders is pure as the driven snow and can throw stones?


Or is it Sanders is pure and everyone else is stained to be damned and needs to be thrown out of office?


Your take?


tia

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Last night Clinton exposed the fact that Sanders CAN NOT pass his own purity test (Original Post) uponit7771 Feb 2016 OP
My take is that your purity test meme is bullshit. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #1
I concur. Plus word salad. And strawmen. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #2
see uponit7771 Feb 2016 #4
Oh good nichomachus Feb 2016 #6
More overt dodges and adhoms.... it's clear what the question is Lewis A sell out too?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #12
I gave up trying to figure that out a while ago. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26
... and then they grammar check you... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #27
No... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #209
HRC: "I don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the Brady Bill five times." Bill USA Feb 2016 #200
I don't think it's particularly progressive for the woman who smeared Obama on guns to flip flop now beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #201
I've seen several additional posts by the OP Aerows Feb 2016 #109
and commies! because, something....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #17
Don't forget pixie dust! Oh, wait, that was yesterday. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21
i gotta get the daily schedule into excel...i can't keep up! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #22
The daily schedule of Sander supporters ad homs to cogent questions is full ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #28
lets get into the time machine for a moment restorefreedom Feb 2016 #36
Was that yesterday already? Aerows Feb 2016 #183
I wonder what tomorrow will bring? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #185
I think it is probably Aerows Feb 2016 #187
You're right, it's been a few days so that one will definitely have to be churned up. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #189
It's changed from unicorns to used cars now uponit7771 Feb 2016 #211
Not to mention mixed metaphors: "pure as the driven snow KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #188
Condescending ad homs are indicators of weak positions uponit7771 Feb 2016 #3
You mean like the fucking nasty ones in YOUR op cali Feb 2016 #46
It's becoming clearer that a good number of these people are teenagers . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #206
That is weak sauce. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #5
I agree, Sanders purity test is weak and he can't pass it himself. He's not the uber progressive... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #8
Dig that hole...please proceed... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #14
No need to dig, just point out Sanders own corporate record... Clinton started last night... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #18
Strategic mistake by a rattled Clinton camp GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #25
Jesus was pure, Sander is not... bookmarked and this is offensive and indicates uponit7771 Feb 2016 #31
When will HRC release the transcripts of her Wall St insider speeches? GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #50
Your op is offensive cali Feb 2016 #71
You forgot poopy head... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83
Your post got my attention. I researched his vote on the CMA and... casperthegm Feb 2016 #57
*cricket*... *cricket*... VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #81
you do understand that you just agreed with a post that was Karma13612 Feb 2016 #223
My take? HassleCat Feb 2016 #7
Clinton specified it clearly last not so this is an overt dodge, I pray Clinton will keep this up... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10
You're not speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #9
Clinton did, clearly outlined his bag of bad and it didn't sound like he can throw a rock... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #13
lets remember this moment, shall we? restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20
She makes me ill. pangaia Feb 2016 #33
mighht want to keep some pepto bismal on hand.... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #39
Bookers pangaia Feb 2016 #42
:) nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #45
I have a strong stomach Nedsdag Feb 2016 #65
Irrelevant, on CFR Sanders has voted for corporation in which proxies have helped him before uponit7771 Feb 2016 #34
goldman sachs. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #43
Gun companies... NRA helped him elections before... no... they guy CAN NOT throw stones uponit7771 Feb 2016 #49
the nra meme is a lie. they have always hated him. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #56
This is false on its face, facts matter... his first election I think... well documented... they've uponit7771 Feb 2016 #84
he has also had an f and currently has a d minus restorefreedom Feb 2016 #113
"he has an... AVG.... C" Actually that's a lie, not a fact. Who told you that? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #127
Hello? Where did you get the "AVG .... C rating" from? Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #142
I love how they keep going for "he's the NRA's waterboy" VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #88
Corporate immunity from law suites uponit7771 Feb 2016 #90
Wrong. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #98
....and right on time, the nuanced explanation to a corporatist vote that is not afforded Clinton... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #102
Since when is a privately owned gun store a corporation? VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #103
WOW... dude(ette) I know the bill did not end at just small gun stores... I'm not a LIV... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #110
Now I'm convinced you're obtuse. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #122
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #124
Why do you keep using them then? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #131
WHAT?! What does this mean?! lol....sup BMUS uponit7771 Feb 2016 #140
You got schooled Aerows Feb 2016 #178
excellent list. sad, but comprehensive. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #111
Don't forget his vote for the crime bill. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #137
You mean his vote for the Violence Against Women Act and assault weapons ban? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #139
The Omnibus Crime Bill that has put more brown and black people in jail than at any time Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #169
He explained why he voted for it, here's a recap: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #170
You ain't seen nuthin' yet leftofcool Feb 2016 #141
"bag full of bad" is that part of the same meme or a new one? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #150
I kind of like it. Aerows Feb 2016 #192
I think I will take another coffee ... Hiraeth Feb 2016 #11
Another dodge, Sanders bag of bad no better than anyone else's... we'll see how this . uponit7771 Feb 2016 #15
we shall see. now, that is an undisputed fact. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #23
The purity test is a Clinton meme --- and they need to choose is HRC really more progressive than karynnj Feb 2016 #16
The purity test is something Sanders is applying to everyone else but himself, he can't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19
Just because you say "purity test" and "Sanders" a lot in the same sentence Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #30
Neither does Sanders intimation that he's the uber progressive make it so either, he's not.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37
Wow. We went from "purity test" to "intimation" in one thread Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #59
What purity test? Do you have a link? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #32
Sanders does, he tweeted it yesterday... google it, its interesting how he's trying to define the uponit7771 Feb 2016 #48
I Googled it and found nothing from Bernie about a purity test Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #58
Are you expecting something on paper or online or just expecting folk to think you don't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #89
All I am asking is for you to back up your claim Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #96
The claim is backed up by Sanders well documented votes that Clinton outlined last night weren't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #105
So is this your purity test or Bernie's? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #116
Sanders figurative test,.. you understand I'm talking figuratively and not literally about uponit7771 Feb 2016 #128
So he failed a figurative purity test that does not actually exist? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #135
Yes, cause she didn't give him a sheet of paper during the debate and ask him to fill it out... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #158
So now you are saying it is Hillary giving the purity test and not Bernie? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #161
OMFG, is this real!? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #163
I am just going by your own words. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #164
I swear, Bjorn, my friend, it's like arguing with a 3 ring circus Aerows Feb 2016 #107
WOW... right on time ... the "I don't understand" crew is all over the place this morning uponit7771 Feb 2016 #112
"I don't understand" Aerows Feb 2016 #191
I don't get it either. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #117
Glad to see you, too :) Aerows Feb 2016 #181
Post a fucking link. Now. cali Feb 2016 #69
To Sanders corporatist votes? Or are you another person who's going to act like this is a paper uponit7771 Feb 2016 #108
Hillary is NO progressive! pinebox Feb 2016 #24
and by Sanders own purity test he applies to Clinton neither is he.... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #41
Oh? pinebox Feb 2016 #55
CFMA.... nough said uponit7771 Feb 2016 #68
Gitmo pinebox Feb 2016 #72
Yes, gitmo... another issue Sanders didn't support Obama's progressive stance on... thx for the uponit7771 Feb 2016 #75
And you got baited pinebox Feb 2016 #80
Oh nuance, something ELSE Sanders purity test doesn't afford anyone else but him... not bait, I'm uponit7771 Feb 2016 #87
Sure pinebox Feb 2016 #157
But see, here's the thing: We KNOW Hillary isn't progressive. We already know this, so... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #172
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #194
BUT you fail to understand pinebox Feb 2016 #226
I don't "fail to understand" anything. How does Sanders plan to get single payer or any Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #227
I answered your question pinebox Feb 2016 #228
But every time he was asked to respond to HRC, he started his sentence with "I AGREE!" Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #154
oh Pinebox, you ALMOST owed me a new laptop! LOL!! Karma13612 Feb 2016 #224
If she's going to co-opt the progressive label... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #29
If Sanders is going to claim someone is NOT a progressive because of their bag of bad... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #61
Sanders doesn't have a purity test for being progressive cali Feb 2016 #35
Except the tweet he sent earlier this week? Yes he does, he applies it to Clinton often uponit7771 Feb 2016 #62
Link. cali Feb 2016 #73
link uponit7771 Feb 2016 #78
Psst...the people making claims of purity tests are Clinton supporters jeff47 Feb 2016 #38
Who cares what its called, Sanders can't pass it and he's the one applying it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #63
Again, Clinton supporters created one and applied one. jeff47 Feb 2016 #171
I think the "purity test" was a somewhat manufactured game by the media. thereismore Feb 2016 #40
Again, an rose by any other name... Sanders can't past the litmus he's applying to others uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64
You are slapping an extended hand. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #91
not the first time. Karma13612 Feb 2016 #225
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #176
Lessee - "purity test" or voting for a politican who is in favor of war, cluster bombs, the TPP, djean111 Feb 2016 #44
You are correct in your analysis Gothmog Feb 2016 #47
lol EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #51
Sanders throws stones all the time. wildeyed Feb 2016 #52
+1, his comments on PP and NARAL are gob smacking ... Franks had a critique of this that was... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #74
LOL. I'll paste the response I gave you to the same thing in another thread dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #53
Everyone is not a sell out or perfect, ...... including Sanders. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #67
I'll work to elect the guy who isn't a sellout, thanks dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #70
#BernieSoPure uponit7771 Feb 2016 #94
He actually is the most pure politician I have ever seen - NT dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #205
This post is pure bunk! nt ladjf Feb 2016 #54
Well dangit, you've convinced me..... that most of the Sanders camp retort is thin and uponit7771 Feb 2016 #86
He set the rule and now he doesn't pass his rules. Okay, get a new set of rules. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #60
+1, last night Clinton cut into Sanders labeling of herself and a lot of others... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #66
Excellent attempt Aerows Feb 2016 #76
Ummm, noooooo... no one has a "purity" strength... that's silly uponit7771 Feb 2016 #82
So you disagree with yourself Aerows Feb 2016 #101
Reality states no one is pure on any issue, Sanders on the other hand is chiding Clinton for her uponit7771 Feb 2016 #129
You DO know that Bernie marched with Dr. King? Empowerer Feb 2016 #207
+1, and after moving there told people last year that "those things aren't important" uponit7771 Feb 2016 #216
"There usually aren't candidates with a good message that gets narrow support" - except with Bernie Empowerer Feb 2016 #219
Repeatedly asked for a link to her/his claims, but unable to produce one cali Feb 2016 #77
CFMA, Brady Bill, Corporate immunity, Gun Votes, Immigration votes... are all well documented uponit7771 Feb 2016 #79
No links, just nonsense. cali Feb 2016 #99
CFMA isn't nonsense, too the cops off the beat and Sanders changed the subject last night when uponit7771 Feb 2016 #114
I googled "purity test" + Bernie Sanders and came up zilch. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #85
The "I don't understand" squad is hard to work with uponit7771 Feb 2016 #92
So you have that link yet? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #95
Yes, I have a link to the "I don't understand" squad... they're all over the place uponit7771 Feb 2016 #100
Well you are the captain. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #104
The captain of what? tia... please be clear, your post are confusing.... thx uponit7771 Feb 2016 #115
The "I don't understand" squad" you just posted about. Did you forget already? Here's the link: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #118
Your post are confusing, what are you talking about ?!? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #123
I guess to be a progressive you have to say you're a moderate-centrist. valerief Feb 2016 #93
Or have a well established imperfect record of being so? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #97
What's a perfect record and who claimed to have one? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #106
Sanders... who has intimated that Clinton is influenced by taking 1/25 of her yearly salary in uponit7771 Feb 2016 #120
Link to where he said he had a perfect record? Tia! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #125
So now you don't understand how Sanders is being judged by his own criticisms of others?!? REALLY?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #132
You claimed he said he had a perfect record, did you just make that up? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #134
He has no 'purity test' AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #119
I disagree, he's claiming people are "establishment" and not progressive because of some uponit7771 Feb 2016 #121
Do you know what 'establishment' means? It is a small group who hold power AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #148
I was tickled by the number of times that Sanders "agreed" with HRC. I'm no fan of Hillary... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #126
I'm not a Bernie supporter, BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #177
I like Bernie much better than HRC, but I don't think he can win this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #179
What I like best about his candidacy BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #190
My take is that he and his fanatics will continue to turn off the majority of black voters with Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #130
+1, Franks critique of Sanders is spot on on this subject not only is he turning off black voters .. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #138
The "Establishment" meme is fascinating because Sanders is no Trump or Carson. They have no Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #168
Franks said he's been getting away with that meme because he hasn't been taken seriously ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #174
I've been in D.C. for over 20 years now. I've almost caught up with Bernie Sanders. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #175
This is a grand and magnificent subthread Number23 Feb 2016 #210
LOL - that WAS pretty funny Empowerer Feb 2016 #220
Girl, the white folks jumping up and down were saying "who is he??"!!!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #232
Great point. I bet most of these people had to look up who Ben Jealous is. Hilarious! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #229
Why not trying to explain what this steamy pile BS is based on? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #133
Too much pixie dust would be my guess. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #144
Clinton outlined votes of Sanders past that weren't progressive even though he's claiming to uponit7771 Feb 2016 #153
Sanders doesnt have a purity test bowens43 Feb 2016 #136
Then why is he defining what "establishment" and progressive is? No one else is but him... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #143
Where did he define those terms? Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #147
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #145
Don't forget. Obama is no progressive according to Bernie and his bros. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #146
"Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #149
+1, Franks has a great article on this... SC will be a tell tale, I think Sanders will have to end uponit7771 Feb 2016 #151
Still waiting for that link to your claim he has an "AVG C rating" from the NRA. Found it yet? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #152
My take is that anyone who uses the term 'purity test' Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #155
OK, litmus?! better?! tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #156
How many times did he vote against the Brady Bill? nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #159
I think it was like 3... or 5... His objections were part of getting the days waiting down to 3 vs uponit7771 Feb 2016 #162
At least Sanders is consistent. Yeager29 Feb 2016 #160
Sanders acts like he is pure by dogging Clinton...Obama...NARAL..PP.. by calling them establishment uponit7771 Feb 2016 #165
Saint Bernie should not say this to put a wedge into dem party FloridaBlues Feb 2016 #166
But he is correct Yeager29 Feb 2016 #167
It's not that he's not wrong or right is its he is trying to differentiate himself by intimating he' uponit7771 Feb 2016 #173
My take: dgibby Feb 2016 #180
That sounds disgusting uponit7771 Feb 2016 #195
You mean it's not progressive to vote against the workinclasszero Feb 2016 #182
Somehow Bernie Sanders get a pass on all those non-progressive votes uponit7771 Feb 2016 #196
Latest meme: Sanders isn't snow. Good one. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #184
#SandersSoPure...bout to trend uponit7771 Feb 2016 #197
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #186
That makes a great starter ignore list ! n/t Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #208
Well, shoot. My name isn't on there! I'll add it now. Don't forget to put me on your ignore too! Squinch Feb 2016 #233
Clinton is not a progressive... never has been. basselope Feb 2016 #193
Is "his own purity test" available on line? 99Forever Feb 2016 #198
Yes, go to HillaryClinton.com and donate money... Then pm me uponit7771 Feb 2016 #202
So there is no "his purity test," huh? 99Forever Feb 2016 #203
Yeap, it comes from Sanders mouth often... you want to see it ask Sanders cause now he's uponit7771 Feb 2016 #204
Bullshit. 99Forever Feb 2016 #212
so you really want people to believe that you dont understand that the test is figurative one and... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #213
You made a fucking accusation. 99Forever Feb 2016 #214
With the overt common sense intimation that there was no physical test with a pen and paper being uponit7771 Feb 2016 #215
Put up or shut up. 99Forever Feb 2016 #217
OK, got to www.hillaryclinton.com and donate and then PM me and I'll give it you :rolleyes: uponit7771 Feb 2016 #218
That stupid line again? 99Forever Feb 2016 #221
Get crackin' bud. 99Forever Feb 2016 #230
there is a difference between Liberal positions in speeches & Liberal accomplishments in legislation Bill USA Feb 2016 #199
Fabulous! Squinch Feb 2016 #234
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #235
WHAT???????????????? Karma13612 Feb 2016 #222
Based on your logic maybe, LOL, You crack me up. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #231

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
200. HRC: "I don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the Brady Bill five times."
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders-Clinton debate transcript: Annotating what they say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/04/sanders-clinton-debate-transcript-annotating-what-they-say/

MADDOW: Secretary Clinton, Senator Sanders is campaigning against you now, at this point in the campaign, basically arguing that you are not progressive enough to be the Democratic nominee. ...

Given those policy positions, why should liberal Democrats support you and not Senator Sanders?

CLINTON: Well because I am a progressive who gets things done. And the root of that word, progressive, is progress. But I've heard Senator Sanders comments, and it's really caused me to wonder who's left in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Under his definition, President Obama is not progressive because he took donations from Wall Street; Vice President Biden is not progressive because she supported Keystone; Senator Shaheen is not progressive because she supports the trade pact. Even the late, great Senator Paul Wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for DOMA.

You know, we have differences and, honestly, I think we should be talk about what we want to do for the country. But if we're going to get into labels, [font color="red"]I don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the Brady Bill five times.[/font]

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
201. I don't think it's particularly progressive for the woman who smeared Obama on guns to flip flop now
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016
Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747


Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008

But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/




Clinton's Hunting History

WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.

"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/



Let states & cities determine local gun laws

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm





 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
109. I've seen several additional posts by the OP
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

and I still have no idea what point they are trying to make.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
36. lets get into the time machine for a moment
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:09 PM
Feb 2016

hillary has called herself both a moderate and a progressive in recent history. sanders merely noted that they are fairly self exclusionary poltiical views. she, having been called on her wavering bullshit, tried to make him the bad guy for pointing out HER inconsistencies.
this is not ad hom.. it is calling out of her pandering b.s.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
183. Was that yesterday already?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

Because I thought we were still knee-deep in unicorn shit.

There were so many bright colors.

*Seriously* *Bright* *Colors*

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
185. I wonder what tomorrow will bring?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

Yesterday was guns and today was "Make Your Own Meme" day, is it time for another red baiting op again?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
189. You're right, it's been a few days so that one will definitely have to be churned up.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

And yet women are still flocking to Bernie in droves, go figure.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
5. That is weak sauce.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

Does Team Clinton think that they will win with THAT? Confessing their massive ties to Wall St and trying to make that okay with some version of 'the other guy does it too'?

Since the "other guy" is Sanders "that dog won't hunt."

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
8. I agree, Sanders purity test is weak and he can't pass it himself. He's not the uber progressive...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

... he chides everyone else for not being.

They don't have to "win with that" just expose Sanders for not being the uber progressive he claims everyone else isn't.

Sanders votes for CFMA and everyone else is a wall street sell out!?

Really?!

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
18. No need to dig, just point out Sanders own corporate record... Clinton started last night...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

... and Sanders had no retort to it... just changed the subject

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
25. Strategic mistake by a rattled Clinton camp
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders OWNS this subject. HRC might as well try to beat Serena Williams in tennis.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
31. Jesus was pure, Sander is not... bookmarked and this is offensive and indicates
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

... the thickness of the bubble Sanders camp lives in

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
50. When will HRC release the transcripts of her Wall St insider speeches?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

What did she tell them that was worth $675,000? She obviously doesn't want us to know.

Release the transcripts and I will be sure to bookmark them.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
57. Your post got my attention. I researched his vote on the CMA and...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

What a load of crap. First, the version he signed off on differed a bit from the final version and second it was wrapped into the overall budget for the year, which passed on a vote of 377-4. The whole thing is clearly explained in the article link I am pasting. There are areas that I stand in disagreement with Sanders on but this is really grasping at straws. You want to hit him on gun control, I think you have something, certainly more than this. Comparing Sanders to Clinton on Wall Street is honestly quite laughable.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-wall-street_us_5617f634e4b0dbb8000e5a58

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
10. Clinton specified it clearly last not so this is an overt dodge, I pray Clinton will keep this up...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:46 PM
Feb 2016

... cause Sanders isn't the Uber progressive he chides everyone else for not being

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
13. Clinton did, clearly outlined his bag of bad and it didn't sound like he can throw a rock...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

... like he claims

That was evident

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
20. lets remember this moment, shall we?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

when discussing campaign finance reform, one of those "uber progressive" issues



https://m.




uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
34. Irrelevant, on CFR Sanders has voted for corporation in which proxies have helped him before
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

... so he has not stones to pick up and throw on the "influence" issue.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
49. Gun companies... NRA helped him elections before... no... they guy CAN NOT throw stones
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

... he's not Obama in 08

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
84. This is false on its face, facts matter... his first election I think... well documented... they've
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

... never hated him, he has an... AVG.... C rating from the NRA

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
113. he has also had an f and currently has a d minus
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

they update those lists about every year..

bottom line..,they don't support him, they don't finance him, they see him as much of a threat as any dem


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
127. "he has an... AVG.... C" Actually that's a lie, not a fact. Who told you that?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

I thought we went over all this before, do you have a new source or something?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
88. I love how they keep going for "he's the NRA's waterboy"
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

right with what a d- rating from them?

Meanwhile, America's Margaret Thatcher has:

1) Voted for the TPP.
2) Voted to repeal Glass-Steagall.
3) Voted for the Iraq war.
4) Oversaw the atrocities in Syria and Libya(how does that count as foreign policy expertise again).
5) Lied to the families of those who died in Benghazi.
6) Accepted money from Goldman-Sachs and the likes of those that literally destroyed the economy.
7) Voted against ending the use of cluster bombs in military conflict.
8) Changed her mind on LGBT equality due to political expedience(better late than never doesn't work here).
9) Accepted money from the Private Prison lobbyists(and we say she's the better candidate for poc? sure i'll believe that one when i miraculously stop being biracial or smth i dunno anymore).

This whole "purity" meme is asking to backfire. Most I can think of slamming Bernie for is maybe the same as number 8 for Clinton, but at the same time, his whole thing was legitimately over state's rights-- which the left has essentially used as a dog whistle for racists since practically the Civil War.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
98. Wrong.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

Unless the gun stores who were getting sued for complicity in the crimes that were committed with the weapons they sold are actually corporations in disguise, your argument holds no water.

If someone gets beaten with a deadbolt in a sock, should we be suing Schlage and Hanes?

If someone gets force-fed Drano, should we be suing the supermarket it was bought from?

So why, on the Goddess's green fucking creation are we going to go after gun stores that sold a tool, that some malcontent had the gall to use as a weapon?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
102. ....and right on time, the nuanced explanation to a corporatist vote that is not afforded Clinton...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

... or anyone else deemed a sell out or "Establishment" like PP and NARAL

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
103. Since when is a privately owned gun store a corporation?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

Don't worry, I'll wait for you to actually pull some fresh bait, and not the same Third Way "everyone is a hypocrite" memes.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
110. WOW... dude(ette) I know the bill did not end at just small gun stores... I'm not a LIV...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

... got try the ignorance position on some one else.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
139. You mean his vote for the Violence Against Women Act and assault weapons ban?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016
Sanders opposed the Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991 during his first year in the U.S. House of Representatives.

"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, ‘let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment’," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what we’re talking about is more and more capital punishment."

The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/


Doesn't that disprove the gun industry shill meme?
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
169. The Omnibus Crime Bill that has put more brown and black people in jail than at any time
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

in the history of this Republic.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
192. I kind of like it.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

It's got style.

"Bag full of Bad."

Used in a sentence: "Bernie is rebutting Hillary by stating facts, figures and bags full of bad that she couldn't counter if she was Floyd Mayweather."

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
15. Another dodge, Sanders bag of bad no better than anyone else's... we'll see how this .
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

... helps him in other states

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
16. The purity test is a Clinton meme --- and they need to choose is HRC really more progressive than
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie OR is Bernie too close to the fringe of the party. They seriously have to choose one -- not both of these arguments because having both together twists their supporters into pretzels and requires weird mental gymnastics to make a coherent argument including both.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
19. The purity test is something Sanders is applying to everyone else but himself, he can't
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

... pass his own purity test no matter how many times he changes the subject to wall street

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
30. Just because you say "purity test" and "Sanders" a lot in the same sentence
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

doesn't make it true, you know.

So, from this OP, can we garner that there will be no more "Sanders is too liberal to win the GE" days coming in the near future? Or do you guys just not give a shit about consistency in arguments?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
37. Neither does Sanders intimation that he's the uber progressive make it so either, he's not..
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

... he has his own bag of bad that when looked into doesn't seem any better than anyone else.

Obama was just as liberal as Sanders and Obama was black... Sanders is viable if he can pull the Obama coalistion but outside of poor whites he's doing a horrible job of that

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
59. Wow. We went from "purity test" to "intimation" in one thread
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

Are we soon going to have you call it a "vague possible inference"?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
32. What purity test? Do you have a link?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

I have never heard Bernie talk about a purity test, could you please provide a link to show us this test that you claim he is subjecting everyone to?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
48. Sanders does, he tweeted it yesterday... google it, its interesting how he's trying to define the
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

... standard

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
58. I Googled it and found nothing from Bernie about a purity test
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

I did find an allegation from Blue Nation Review which is an anti-Bernie site which claimed he had a purity test but they gave no examples of Bernie talking about a purity test. If he actually did this you should be able to provide a link.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
89. Are you expecting something on paper or online or just expecting folk to think you don't
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

... understand that his litmus meme of Clinton throughout this campaign is what I'm talking about.

Fiegn indignation all you want

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
96. All I am asking is for you to back up your claim
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

I don't have any clue what you ate talking about when you say he has a purity test or uses a "litmus test meme" against Clinton, please provide a link to Sanders talking about a purity test.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
105. The claim is backed up by Sanders well documented votes that Clinton outlined last night weren't
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

... that "progressive".

She was very clear about his votes and listed them...

Don't see what's hard about looking them up

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
116. So is this your purity test or Bernie's?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

You seem to be unable to provide a link to the purity test that you claim Bernie has, but you are telling us that Bernie fails this purity test. So who created this purity test that you think Bernie fails?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
128. Sanders figurative test,.. you understand I'm talking figuratively and not literally about
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

... a physical test one is to take.

This is lame

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
135. So he failed a figurative purity test that does not actually exist?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Despite the fact that you basically just admitted this purity test does not actually exist you still seem to want to credit Sanders with creating this nonexistent purity test however.

I am sure it makes it a lot easier to debate when you don't need reality, you can just make up what Sanders "figuratively" believes.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
158. Yes, cause she didn't give him a sheet of paper during the debate and ask him to fill it out...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

... yes .. its figurative... wow

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
161. So now you are saying it is Hillary giving the purity test and not Bernie?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

Interesting that you are now talking about her giving the purity test to him, in the OP you suggested the purity test was Bernie's but with this post you seem to acknowledge you are actually talking about a test that Hillary is applying.

I never heard Hillary talk about a purity test either, but hey she is your candidate so I will let you say what you want about her.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
107. I swear, Bjorn, my friend, it's like arguing with a 3 ring circus
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

Purity tests are good in the OP, purity tests down the thread are bad, and the only purity test that is actually valid is when Hillary Clinton comes out as the 'winner'.

I am as clueless as you are about what in the heck the OP is trying to say.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
108. To Sanders corporatist votes? Or are you another person who's going to act like this is a paper
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

... test or some online score and fiegn indignation to find out its Sanders statements about Clinton''s integrity throughout his campaign.

whatever, feign away... that's lame

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
24. Hillary is NO progressive!
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

Period! Quit the spin!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record

It's sad how Hillary supporters are propping up the apparent talking point how being a progressive is akin to being a Democrat, a generic term, when in fact it isn't. It stands for ideas which are revolutionary. The only thing Hillary is revolutionary in is figuring out new ways to get cash from Wall Street and hide it through her foundation.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
41. and by Sanders own purity test he applies to Clinton neither is he....
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

... Clinton exposed that last night... that gash is going to turn into gang green if Sanders keeps up with the purity talk

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
55. Oh?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

Let's talk.

Tell us please where Bernie isn't progressive? Go ahead. I'm betting you'll say guns won't you. Not sure if you're aware that he voted for the AWB in the 80s but go ahead.

Hillary isn't a progressive.
You want a list?
I shall provide it.

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
on and on..........................

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record
In fact, in three seperate bills, Hillary broke with democrats to vote in favor of the use of this chemical in US fuel.

Hillary broke with Democrats against ensuring the workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site would not receive life insurance, health and life insurance benefits when their environmental work was terminated by the republican majority.


Hillary broke ranks with the democrats and voted with the majority of republicans to eliminate the requirement of reusable fuel in US gasoline in 2004.


Hillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.


To authorize the State of Virginia to petition for authorization to conduct natural gas exploration and drilling activities in the coastal zone of the State.
Hillary didn't vote


That's your candidate. OWN IT.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
75. Yes, gitmo... another issue Sanders didn't support Obama's progressive stance on... thx for the
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

... reminder

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
80. And you got baited
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

" Given Bernie's human rights concerns regarding the facility, he likely voted against it because the plans did not address the human rights violations--including being held indefinitely without trial--that he and so many other Americans are most concerned about with regards to Guantnamo." http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Homeland_Security.htm

Meanwhile....

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
87. Oh nuance, something ELSE Sanders purity test doesn't afford anyone else but him... not bait, I'm
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

... already prepared not to bit.

#SandersSoPure

About to trend no?

tia

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
157. Sure
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

Meanwhile we're miles ahead of you.
#HillarySoProgressive
Typical though, Hillary IS after all behind the times.
How's that whole gay marriage support established since 2013 coming along? lol

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
172. But see, here's the thing: We KNOW Hillary isn't progressive. We already know this, so...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

...posting evidence about her voting record is of no consequence to us voters because most voters already know HRC and what she stands for.

It is Sanders who seems to have this Litmus test for any and everyone who doesn't support him on each and every thing.

It is Sanders who seems to be politically nuanced when it comes to...oh let's see...certain race issues. However when it comes to Obama, he doesn't give that same courtesy to the president.

Again, even though we know Obama was never a liberal--he never said he was and nothing in his platform or voting record suggests that he was/is liberal. But Sanders' supporters don't seem to have the same level of sophistication when it comes to the fact that Bernie will have to work with moderates and conservatives in both parties.

As soon as a President Sanders has to compromise his liberal/progressive views in order to get anything done, you supporters will be at his throat. It happened with Obama who isn't a liberal; it'll definitely happen to Sanders, unless, of course, there's a double standard. That wouldn't shock me if it were.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
226. BUT you fail to understand
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

The only thing you can project is the denial of how Sanders called Hillary out on her bullshit.

You seem to forget, this whole issue is larger than what you see it as. You only see the "I'm a progressive" tag but it isn't just that, it's much deeper. It's the whole chameleon coat she wears and how on EVERY issue Hillary has changed her POV.

You say "But Sanders' supporters don't seem to have the same level of sophistication when it comes to the fact that Bernie will have to work with moderates and conservatives in both parties." yet you don't realize what? Republicans LIKE the guy;
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/22/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/republicans-for-bernie-sanders/

Now you show me something that says Republicans like Hillary in this sort of manner http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/tom-cotton-supports-bernie-sanders/ and this http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-surprising-numbers-republicans-have-been-voting-bernie-sanders-vermont and we'll talk. But you won't. Do you know why? Because they along with the majority of America HATE Hillary.

See, they'll never work with Hillary, ever. You want to change shit in the downticket? It's not hard that you need the fire and energy to do so and enthusiasm, only Bernie brings that, not Hillary.

Reality.




 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
227. I don't "fail to understand" anything. How does Sanders plan to get single payer or any
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

of the nonsense he and his fanatics are spewing through Congress?

This isn't about Hillary Clinton. I'm no supporter of hers, either.

Answer the question:

How does Sanders get anything done with a Republican-dominated Congress?

Don't fucking attack me. Answer the damn question.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
228. I answered your question
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

Go look up how Bernie worked with Republicans on vet issues. There's your answers.
Yes single payer is non sense, sure. White flag with writing that says "We Will Change Nothing!".
So much for hope & change, eh?

Meanwhile this http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2015/08/why-republicans-vote-bernie

See, here's the deal, they'll work with Bernie. They won't work for Hillary when they are busy calling for her impeachment the first day she is in office http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mo-brooks-hillary-clinton_us_5625053de4b0bce3470156eb

Again, I answered you. Even down to your assertion of a Republican lead congress.
Fucking read.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
154. But every time he was asked to respond to HRC, he started his sentence with "I AGREE!"
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

Go back and look at the transcript.

When did he not agree with her.

And as she's talking, he's nodding his head in agreement.

AND...

Bernie Sanders has a history of working with Republicans and conservative Democrats. It's not necessarily **HIS** purity test; it is his fans' test, because I'm willing to bet that should he become president, the time he has to compromise with a Republican-dominated Congress and work with conservative Democrats, you fans will throw him under the bus! Just as you did with Barack Obama.

Everything is hunky dory until Bernie is worse to compromise on his "progressive" principles. I'll be watching as you guys shit on him and turn your backs against him.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
224. oh Pinebox, you ALMOST owed me a new laptop! LOL!!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016

(coffee and laughing and this image do not mix!!)

thank you for making my Saturday morning!!

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
29. If she's going to co-opt the progressive label...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

...that she decried last night (another position change?) with her "I'm a progressive that gets things done", it's not up to Sanders to define what she means by that. The word and political label progressive has a ton of different meanings and it's never been solidly defined. That being the case, there really isn't anything wrong with Sanders questioning her progressive credentials. Particularly since her record that she brings up so often does not help her case...

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
61. If Sanders is going to claim someone is NOT a progressive because of their bag of bad...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

... then his bag better be empty

Sanders bag is not empty and Clinton exposed that last night.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. Sanders doesn't have a purity test for being progressive
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

Never has. And he has always been opposed to corporate funding of politicians.


My take is you produced an op without putting any thought or effort into it.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
62. Except the tweet he sent earlier this week? Yes he does, he applies it to Clinton often
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

... in context and direct words.

She's right, a single comment of hers isn't going to erase her decades of liberal and progressive causes

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
38. Psst...the people making claims of purity tests are Clinton supporters
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

in their attacks against Sanders. That kinda indicates Sanders and his supporters don't actually put much value in purity tests.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
171. Again, Clinton supporters created one and applied one.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

Which is why you're getting a big "we don't give a fuck about your purity test" from Sanders supporters. It isn't their test. It's yours.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
40. I think the "purity test" was a somewhat manufactured game by the media.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is not as progressive as Bernie, but I would say that Hillary is progressive on many issues. And I think Bernie acknowledged that last night.

So is Franks, Lewis, Franken, Boxer, and all of our great democratic leaders.

Let's not lose sight of the big goal here, which is a democratic WH.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
225. not the first time.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

this poster seems to not always get the gist of a comment and if it is supporting or against his/her comment.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
44. Lessee - "purity test" or voting for a politican who is in favor of war, cluster bombs, the TPP,
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

increased H-1B visas, and fracking........tell ya one thing - "purity test" has nothing to do with my support of Bernie Sanders.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
52. Sanders throws stones all the time.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

At anyone who endorses another candidate. Because the purity test has nothing to do with ideology or action. The purity test is do you support Bernie Sanders.

You know what I support? The Big Tent Party. The Fusion Party. The Obama Coalition. Where many different groups come to the table. We are all colors, ages, religions, genders, preferences, incomes. We might have different issues but we all share the core belief in the morality of progressive values. And we all have each other's backs. Always. No purity test. And not dependent on a single politician to save us either. Because we know how to save ourselves.

This thing where we eat our own because they are not 'pure' or have pissing contests on who is the most progressive? Not for me. I wanna work and I wanna beat the GOP. Fuck purity. Fuck the GOP.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
74. +1, his comments on PP and NARAL are gob smacking ... Franks had a critique of this that was...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016

... spot on; Sanders is throwing everyone under the bus with his standard

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
53. LOL. I'll paste the response I gave you to the same thing in another thread
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

I've long been dismayed at the issues many or even most members of the progressive caucus support, and the progressive caucus is the best of them. The truth is that even they are to some degree in the pocket of forces who don't have our good interests in mind. They, like most other pols, spend more time on the phone asking corporate donors for donations than they spend governing. This is literally true.

Bernie's campaign is a huge step to correct this. Hillary could have run the primary campaign without such donations, since her main opponent was doing so, but that isn't who she is.

We really have to change how we fund our politicians. Legislated or legal change will be hard-fought, it's one of the things to work on and probably the most important, since it will enable all other reforms.

In the meantime, we need to learn to elect candidates who are willing to run crowd-funded campaigns as Sanders is doing. Only then will they be free to represent us rather than wealthy corporate interests.

Aside from that, we're left with choosing the least bought candidates to find anyone who will stand up for our interests, and that is no way to run a country. The least bought, with few exceptions, are still bought.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
86. Well dangit, you've convinced me..... that most of the Sanders camp retort is thin and
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

... doesn't have answers to this other than ad homs

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
66. +1, last night Clinton cut into Sanders labeling of herself and a lot of others...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

... calling NARAL and PP "establishment" pejoratively is crazy

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
76. Excellent attempt
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

It's rather priceless that you are attacking the strength of Hillary's opponent to cast it as a weakness.

Purity.

Purity tests.

It's fascinating that honesty is suddenly a horrible thing, and the ability to lie with a straight face, which Hillary has repeatedly done, is a glorious thing.



^ That is why Democratic voters are wary of her ^
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
101. So you disagree with yourself
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

and the text, premise and context of your OP?

I'm trying to figure out what point you are attempting to make.

"No one has purity strength".



uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
129. Reality states no one is pure on any issue, Sanders on the other hand is chiding Clinton for her
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

... bag of bad and is intimating her decades long progressive fights mean nothing

When Sanders bag of bad is looked into he's not that much different, just less of it...

He can throw no stones... but has chunked plenty of them at Clinton

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
207. You DO know that Bernie marched with Dr. King?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

Well, actually, he took a chartered bus to Washington and, as he described it, "sat way way back on the Mall" and listened to him give a speech. But that's kind of like marching with him. And once he did that, he was golden for the rest of his life and could never ever ever be criticized or questioned - especially about anything related to race or civil rights because, after all, Bernie marched with Dr. King.

And then he moved to one of the whitest states in the country.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
216. +1, and after moving there told people last year that "those things aren't important"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

... when it came to social issues

Somethings not right, his support is narrow and deep while Clinton has double digit leads with blacks, Hispanics, gays, non white poor and women.

There usually aren't candidates with a good message that gets narrow support

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
219. "There usually aren't candidates with a good message that gets narrow support" - except with Bernie
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

In HIS case, the narrow support is the fault of black folks who just haven't gotten to know him yet. You know, because, unlike white folk, we're just sitting around clueless, not paying attention to one of the most important elections in our lifetimes . . .

Fortunately, there are plenty of white folks willing to educate us by telling us over and over and over again how great Bernie is for us - and if only we understood as well as they do what is in our best interest, we, too, would "feel the Bern."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
77. Repeatedly asked for a link to her/his claims, but unable to produce one
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

We can only conclude your claims are what they appear to be- bullshit

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
79. CFMA, Brady Bill, Corporate immunity, Gun Votes, Immigration votes... are all well documented
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

... and in his voting records.

Anyone still asking for links to Sanders own voting records doesn't want to know

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
114. CFMA isn't nonsense, too the cops off the beat and Sanders changed the subject last night when
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

... he was brought up

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
120. Sanders... who has intimated that Clinton is influenced by taking 1/25 of her yearly salary in
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

... money from wall street

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
132. So now you don't understand how Sanders is being judged by his own criticisms of others?!? REALLY?!
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

... ok.. I think I have your number BMUS...

We'll have fun k?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
134. You claimed he said he had a perfect record, did you just make that up?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

Me:

What's a perfect record and who claimed to have one?


You:

Sanders... who has intimated that Clinton is influenced by taking 1/25 of her yearly salary in

... money from wall street

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
121. I disagree, he's claiming people are "establishment" and not progressive because of some
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

... past actions that he seems to have taken himself in one way or the other.

Do not judge, lest the be judged

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
148. Do you know what 'establishment' means? It is a small group who hold power
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

Whether it be over a country or a political party.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
126. I was tickled by the number of times that Sanders "agreed" with HRC. I'm no fan of Hillary...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

...but I think was very presidential last night and won the debate handily.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
177. I'm not a Bernie supporter,
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

but I was impressed by BOTH our candidates last night.

We Dems have a win-win situation insofar as our primary candidates are concerned.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
190. What I like best about his candidacy
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

are two things particularly:

1) He's getting the inequality and basic unfairness of much of the current system we live under spot on, IMO, and putting those memes out there to excellent effect. That should encourage more Dems in general to speak to their base about these and vote accordingly.

2) He's fired up the youth vote almost as much as President Obama did and I love their enthusiasm. I hope that they will continue to participate in politics no matter what happens with Bernie's candidacy. Politics is not just one Presidential election every four years. Politics = paying attention and working towards the desired goals ALL THE TIME. Note: Hillary also has enthusiastic and highly committed young supporters, although perhaps not as numerous in her base so far.

But I sincerely believe that Bernie won't know what hit him when the GOP spin and smear machine turns up to full volume as it will definitely do if he is a candidate in the GE. He could be pure as the driven snow and still be affected adversely. The GOP are truth-challenged and will simply make sh** up.

One thing about Hillary: the smear attack dogs have been out there for years and have been discredited every time - except for Bill's stupid sexual hijinks. There is not much new under the sun that they can throw at her. I'm sure they'll continue to make sh** up, but the GOP has cried wolf on Hillary too many times for that sh** to be as effective against her.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
130. My take is that he and his fanatics will continue to turn off the majority of black voters with
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

their arrogance and condescension.

Ben Jealous endorsed Sanders today, and many black people shrugged.

First, the NAACP doesn't have the prominence in the black community as it once did, especially not for young black people.

Second, what is most frustrating and insulting is the notion that just because there are black prominent figures who support Sanders, now we Negroes need to fall in line....because if these black figures support Sanders, then Sanders must surely be o.k., right? WRONG!!

Black voters do not need white liberals to tell them what to do.
Black voters do not need other black liberals to tell them what to do.

Black voters can:

1. Think for themselves
2. Speak for themselves
3. Act for themselves

The more Sanders' cheerleaders arrogantly pull these tactics, the more black people will continue to get turned off.

I, as a former Bernie supporter, am testament to this!

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
138. +1, Franks critique of Sanders is spot on on this subject not only is he turning off black voters ..
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

... because black voters hear "Obama bad" from Sanders when it comes to Clinton's critiques which can be applied to Obama.

but Sanders is ALSO turning off a ton of his own allies in congress cause they're not that far removed from Sanders pejorative "establishment" meme but Sanders has been in office for 30 years!!!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
168. The "Establishment" meme is fascinating because Sanders is no Trump or Carson. They have no
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:38 PM
Feb 2016

political experience and have not been in Washington for decades.

Sanders, on the other hand, was a Representative from a very liberal congressional district and therefore never had to worry about representing diverse constituencies. When he became a U.S. Senator, again, Vermont, like Iowa and New Hampshire are very homogenous states.

Let's see how well he does in more diverse settings. And that's not only with black Americans, but with much more conservative constituencies--even on the Democratic side.

I grew up in the South. Even the more moderate to liberal Democrats are to the right of Sanders.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
174. Franks said he's been getting away with that meme because he hasn't been taken seriously ...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

... before now but now that he is going to be paid attention to a person who's been in DC for 30 something years and running as anti establishment is going to sound crazy.

The MSM also keep touting Sanders national numbers ... Sanders numbers are mostly with the young and white males... SC will be an eye opener.

If IA is an indicator he'll be blown away...

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
175. I've been in D.C. for over 20 years now. I've almost caught up with Bernie Sanders.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

The assertion that he's not part of Washington D.C. establishment is laughable at best, hypocritical at worst.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
210. This is a grand and magnificent subthread
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016

Your posts here have been great.

I actually thought the Ben Jealous endorsement was a good catch for Sanders but it was not no damn where near the "OMG!! OMG!!! The firewall is COMMMMMING DOOOWWWN!11" stupidity that more than a few folks on this site made it out to be.

But I'm still cracking up at all the folks jumping up and down over a black guy in SC that endorsed Sanders and 2/3 of the thread didn't know who the man was, or if the man was a State Senator, a national Senator, a State Rep or what but for some unknown reason, it was still EXTREMELY good news!

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
220. LOL - that WAS pretty funny
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

It's a hoot watching people get this excited about certain black people endorsing Sanders because that means THE FIREWALL IS COMING DOWN - when black folks' reaction is "Who he?"

Number23

(24,544 posts)
232. Girl, the white folks jumping up and down were saying "who is he??"!!!!!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

But he had melanin and was endorsing Sanders. That was apparently all that mattered. Who the man actually was was 100% IMMATERIAL to the "revolution."

I predicted all of this would happen about 7 months ago and Lord KNOWS these folks have rendered my prophesy true in great and ever so hilarious abundance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=18545

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
229. Great point. I bet most of these people had to look up who Ben Jealous is. Hilarious!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

Just like most white folk didn't know who Cornel West or Tavis Smiley were UNTIL they started bashing President Obama. Hell, they couldn't even correctly spell West's name or Tavis's first name (as evidenced by referring to him as "Travis&quot .

What could be more offensive or insulting that throwing so-called prominent black people onstage to lecture other black folk?

They are pathetic that they can't even see how insulting that is---as if black people can't fucking think for themselves.

Bernie Sanders is simply not connecting with the vast majority of black voters. Or even Hispanic/Latino voters. This is something that they'll have to come to terms with.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
153. Clinton outlined votes of Sanders past that weren't progressive even though he's claiming to
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

... be the gate keeper on what is progressive or not by labeling Clinton and other people pejoratively the "establishment" and intimating Clinton would be influenced by Wall Street.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
143. Then why is he defining what "establishment" and progressive is? No one else is but him...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

... and that was established last night

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
151. +1, Franks has a great article on this... SC will be a tell tale, I think Sanders will have to end
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

... his "establishment" meme seeing Obama is in the establishment and losses with PoC in IA and SC will be significant enough to indicate Sanders isn't reaching the people his revolution is supposed to be for.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
162. I think it was like 3... or 5... His objections were part of getting the days waiting down to 3 vs
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

.... 7 so people can have a cooling off period.

7 Day waiting would possible been a factor during the SC church shootings

 

Yeager29

(26 posts)
160. At least Sanders is consistent.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders is not pure but he is reliably consistent in his policy and positions. Clinton is adrift on the ocean saying what needs to be said and assuming whatever positions are trendy. She's an unreliable political hack in search of power. Where is EW when we need her?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
165. Sanders acts like he is pure by dogging Clinton...Obama...NARAL..PP.. by calling them establishment
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

... and intimates she can be influenced by 1/30th of her yearly sallary

 

Yeager29

(26 posts)
167. But he is correct
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

He is correct in what he's saying, it's just that the truth is ugly here and he is causing fractures. Unfortunately. But you expect him to play ball anyway. With the establishment. Hillary is a former first lady, senator, secstate, and an advisor to the who's who on democratic capitol hill. You don't get any more establishment than that. Bernie is just a thorn to the dnc. I want more than the staus quo establishment has given us.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
173. It's not that he's not wrong or right is its he is trying to differentiate himself by intimating he'
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

... has never done any of those things Clinton has done in any way

and that's not true.

Someone who's been in government for 30 years is status qou...

Him saying the same thing people on the left have been saying for generations but saying it with anger and passion doesn't make what he's saying passible.

He proffered that Mitch Michonal will look outside his window and see a lot of people and that would change his Mitch's mind...

That's not the way the GOP has acted in the past... they don't care about a trillion people sitting outside of their window

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
182. You mean it's not progressive to vote against the
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

Brady bill multiple times like St Bernie did?

Not to mention voting for the MIC via the F-35 boondoggle.

And protecting Big Business gun manufacturers from bereaved families who suffer from unrestricted firearms?

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
193. Clinton is not a progressive... never has been.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

Under her definition bush was a progressive, because he got things done.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
203. So there is no "his purity test," huh?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

Seems your entire premise is a figment of your imagination or you are just being dishonest. Perfect for Camp Weathervane.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
204. Yeap, it comes from Sanders mouth often... you want to see it ask Sanders cause now he's
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

... going to claim who is a progressive or not

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
213. so you really want people to believe that you dont understand that the test is figurative one and...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

...not literal one?!

really?

bookmarked

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
215. With the overt common sense intimation that there was no physical test with a pen and paper being
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

... given to no one... that the litmus originated from Sanders mouth and not from a website or a "Are You A Liberal" test book let.

you know what...

I'm not going to go down this track, its silly at best ..

Feign indignation all you want... please make an op out of it and I'll bookmark that too k?

thx

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
230. Get crackin' bud.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

Here's some ACTUAL facts for you to chew on.

Get back to me when you have something ACTUAL to counter it with.


Game, set, match.

Bu bye.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
199. there is a difference between Liberal positions in speeches & Liberal accomplishments in legislation
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary should stress that speaking of liberal (or "progressive&quot ideas is one thing. But you have to be able to accomplish something to mean anything.

Here’s A List Of Hillary Clinton’s Accomplishments
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/


◾ Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.

◾ She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

◾ She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

◾ Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

◾ She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

◾ At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

◾ She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

◾ Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

◾ Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.

◾ Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.

◾ Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.


These are not all of her accomplishments. Her activism on behalf of women a children across the world is renowned. Her activism for raising the minimum wage and combating climate change is stellar. You do not have to support what she does or stands for. But do not say she doesn’t have any accomplishments. The conservatives who say this are the ones who are pushing for Ted Cruz – who brought on a $24 billion shut down. That, to them, is an accomplishment?



[font size="3"]As has been noted here before, The Sanders campaign, sadly, does a good job of parroting the GOP's anti-Hillary disinformation...[/font]

George Will Pretends Hillary Clinton Has No Achievements
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/29/george-will-pretends-hillary-clinton-has-no-ach/203078

George Will ignored Hillary Clinton's substantial accomplishments as secretary of state, senator, and first lady in order to suggest that her support from Democrats is due solely to "identity politics."

In his latest Washington Post column, Will describes the Democratic Party as "adrift in identity politics, cling[ing], as shipwrecked sailors do to floating debris, to this odd feminist heroine," and writes that Clinton's "performance in governance has been defined by three failures." Will goes on to cherry-pick instances from Clinton's career, ignoring her achievements in the White House, Senate, and at State to portray her as a failure.

In citing Clinton's time as first lady, he omits, for example, Clinton's role in the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which expanded health insurance for children in lower-income households. Will also ignores her pivotal role in the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which eased processes allowing the removal of children from abusive situations.

Clinton also helped to create the Department of Justice's Office on Violence Against Women and used her platform to raise the issue of abuse against women internationally, telling the United Nations' Fourth World Conference on Women in China that, "It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and for the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights."
(more)


more on Hillary Clinton's list of accomplishments:

12 Hillary Clinton Accomplishments That Her 2016 Rivals Can't Match
http://www.bustle.com/articles/76900-12-hillary-clinton-accomplishments-that-her-2016-rivals-cant-match

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
222. WHAT????????????????
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

what the heck are you talking about?

That debate was two hours long.

Maybe if you clarified what exactly you are talking about??

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