Let's quit the bullshit how Hillary is a progressive. She is NOT.

[pinebox]

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Hillary isn't a progressive.
You want a list?
I shall provide it.

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
Bankruptcy bill
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
David Brock
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
on and on..........................

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record
In fact, in three seperate bills, Hillary broke with democrats to vote in favor of the use of this chemical in US fuel.

Hillary broke with Democrats against ensuring the workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site would not receive life insurance, health and life insurance benefits when their environmental work was terminated by the republican majority.


Hillary broke ranks with the democrats and voted with the majority of republicans to eliminate the requirement of reusable fuel in US gasoline in 2004.


Hillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.


To authorize the State of Virginia to petition for authorization to conduct natural gas exploration and drilling activities in the coastal zone of the State.
Hillary didn't vote

You want more? Ok let's go here.

Hillary outright defended Bill's welfare reform which hurt millions of poor people. Flat out. If that's progressive, FDR had a sex change and now is Margaret Thatcher.

Hillary Clinton often boasts about helping children, but she betrayed them as First Lady
During the debate, Clinton touted her years at the Children's Defense Fund. Here's the truth she didn't talk about

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

The only reason and I mean THE ONLY REASON people and special interests donate to campaigns is because they represent them. It doesn't take a mental heavyweight to figure this out. It also don't take a genius to figure out that Hillary's biggest donors are comprised of a few choice areas;

Wall Street
Big Banks
Private prison industry
Big Pharma.
Big military

It is what it is but one thing is for sure, she is NO progressive.

[EndElectoral]

1. K&R - Well said. For crying out loud she said she was a moderate before that was unpopular.

[farleftlib]

2. That's quite a list

Not only is she not progressive, she is a compromised candidate.

The bankruptcy bill also comes to mind. Sorry if I missed on your list. K&R.

[bigwillq]

3. K and R (nt)

[TCJ70]

4. Wow...

...this is awesome. Good summary.

[Jarqui]

5. +1

I was thinking last night, Sanders is a lot of what he was in the 60s - similar causes and positions.

Then I thought of what Hillary was doing in the mid-late 60s: Goldwater Girl, President of Young Republicans at college, interning for Republicans in Washington, etc. I started to wonder about whether she was like Sanders "similar causes and positions" because she's kind of like a 60s Republican today.

But then I thought of all her flip flops and snapped out of it!

[leftofcool]

6. Bernie, Brady Bill! Enough said!

[Fawke Em]

16. Wow, one issue. One - and an issue that many don't think is all that

bad once they learn why he voted no.

Allowing people to sue a gun manufacturer for building a gun to do what guns do is kind of silly. You can't sue Ford because your car runs.

[AlbertCat]

52. Wow, one issue.

One he voted correctly on too.... what with the junk inserted into it.

[JonLeibowitz]

59. That is not the Brady Bill, that's PLCAA. However, the Brady Bill has its own problems. n/t

[Odin2005]

99. Bernie voted correctly, there.

Some of us on the Left don't like establishment authoritarians using tragedies to take away people's rights.

[amborin]

7. HRC is not only NOT Progressive, She Is Actively Anti-Progressive

[Fuddnik]

29. Regressive

[FlatBaroque]

8. Missed one

Involvement with The Family

[pinebox]

9. I intentionally left off a LOT

Otherwise people on mobile devices would have to scroll until tomorrow lol

[Le Taz Hot]

10. Nobody believes this (ther than her blind followers).

When she says shit like that she just further ingrains in people's minds how much of a chameleon she is and that she's just a flat-out liar.

[Plucketeer]

55. Reckon she heard me last night

when I repeatedly was moved to yell "LIAR!" at her image on my TV screen?

[Gregorian]

11. Some Dems evidently don't care.

Or maybe they don't see.

[RedCappedBandit]

13. Some dems are conservative

[valerief]

12. Progressive: If the word doesn't fit, you must redefine it.

[Mbrow]

14. well said K&R

[Ferd Berfel]

15. Well Done! K&R

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Let's also not kid ourselves that Bill Clinton or Obama are Progressives.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Great, great post! Says it all, right there!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[WillyT]

18. K & R !!!

[DanTex]

19. Of course she is. Always has been. That silly and misleading laundry list and the internet memes

don't change her progressive record and platform. I mean, two of the first three on it are things she's against. You could have at least tried to hide the false information somewhere further down.

She was the 11th most liberal member of the Senate during her tenure there. If you want to winnow down the word "progressive" so that only Marx and Trotsky qualify, suit yourself. But in the real world, she's a progressive.

[Bubzer]

22. As ussual, the issue with the TPP and KXL is her lack of good judgement.

Adjusting to be right on the issue doesn't fix the problem that she was wrong on them to begin with. Wrong 45 times with regards to the TPP.

[DanTex]

25. On TPP, she was right the entire time. Some on the socialist left are opposed to the very idea of

trade in principle, but outside of that tiny fringe, whether a trade deal is good or not depends on what is in the deal.

[Bubzer]

87. Tiny fringe... right...nice try. Where's your evidence supporting that?

I'm learning very quickly you tend to speak as though you think your opinion alone equates to iron clad proof.
You're quickly approaching the status where if you told me the sky were blue, I'd look outside to see if it were true.

[bvar22]

89. Can you post a link to someone on the "Socialist Left" who opposes fair trade?

Didn't think so.
You never have any links that back up your fantasies and falsehoods.

[Bubzer]

93. Ahhh, so it's not just me then. I'm usually a little slow on picking up on instigators.

That I've noticed DanTex as one, I think, speaks to the level he's reached. I'd say he and Lewbely3 likely have traded notes, but given the utter lack of support links, they probably didn't.

[bvar22]

94. I had the most rabid on Ignore for a month. Yesterday, I wiped my list,

and I discovered that the disease has progressed to a late stage of complete (expletive deleted).
So I'm rebuilding my ignore list.

[Bubzer]

95. I go out of my way to avoid adding people to mine... but I may need to change my policy.

[DanTex]

96. That depends on your definition of "fair".

[bvar22]

98. Spoken like a true Clintonite!

Still no link...
Oh, poor baby.
You know, if you clap real hard, Tinkerbell will come back to life for you,
but you still won't have a link to you "claims".





Cheers!

[UglyGreed]

24. Since many feel this country has

been driven to the right, IMO, number 11 ain't what it used to be......

[DanTex]

26. Yeah, that gets into the "nobody is progressive" message that came out at the debate last night.

Like I said, in the real world, Hillary is progressive.

[AlbertCat]

58. only Marx and Trotsky qualify,

The smell of desperation! The commie meme!

plus

"She was the 11th most liberal member of the Senate during her tenure there."

Are you sure she wasn't the 10th and a half?

[farleftlib]

60. That's it? That's all you've got?

Your big comeback is "Oh yes she is!" Wow. So impressive.

[Logical]

116. Dan you are not rational on this topic. Nt

[DanTex]

117. Strange thing to say. The OP lists TPP and KXL, both of which Hillary opposes,

and you conclude that I'm the one being irrational? Hmm...

[polly7]

118. Why was she up here speaking for the two big banks who push the KXL

just before announcing her run? What was she speaking to them on?

[DanTex]

119. She did a lot of speaking engagements, from the totals published it looks like

about 5% of her earnings came from banks. Why? I would assume for money, and also she probably enjoys it. The same reasons that thousands of other recognizable leaders in different fields give paid speeches.

[polly7]

120. No, the majority of her reimbursement was from the two big banks.

I'm sure she does enjoy the hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech. The question is, why was she taking so much money from backers of the KeystoneXL?

[DanTex]

121. That's actually not true. CNN recently documented this.

(CNN)Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/


Jointly, $7.7 million from banks out of a total of $153M, or about 5%. Hillary alone made $1.8M from banks, they don't say what part of the total $153M came from her speeches and not Bill's, but I'd imagine the proportions were about the same.

[polly7]

122. Yes, it is true.

WASHINGTON -- Two Canadian banks tightly connected to promoting the controversial Keystone XL pipeline in the United States either fully or partially paid for eight speeches made by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the period not long before she announced her campaign for president. Those speeches put more than $1.6 million in the Democratic candidate's pocket.

Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and TD Bank were both primary sponsors of paid Clinton speeches in 2014 and early 2015, although only the former appears on the financial disclosure form she filed May 15. According to that document, CIBC paid Clinton $150,000 for a speech she gave in Whistler, British Columbia, on Jan. 22, 2015.

Clinton reported that another five speeches she gave across Canada were paid for by tinePublic Inc., a promotional company known for hosting speeches by world leaders and celebrities. Another speech was reported as paid for by the think tank Canada 2020, while yet another speech was reportedly funded by the Vancouver Board of Trade. But a review of invitations, press releases and media reports for those seven other speeches reveals that they, too, were either sponsored by or directly involved the two banks.

Both banks have financial ties to TransCanada, the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, and have advocated for a massive increase in pipeline capacity, including construction of Keystone. Further, Gordon Giffin, a CIBC board member and onetime U.S. ambassador to Canada, is a former lobbyist for TransCanada and was a contributions bundler for Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.

CIBC and TD Bank both have large energy portfolios and have pushed for the U.S. government to approve final construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, which would link the Canadian oil sands in Alberta through the middle of the United States to Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.

Since the Keystone pipeline is being built across national boundaries by a foreign company, TransCanada, it requires approval from the U.S. State Department. While serving as secretary of state, Clinton said that she was “inclined” to approve the pipeline. Since then, she has been mum on the issue, even as environmentalists -- with their major grassroots and money sway in the Democratic Party -- have made stopping the pipeline a priority.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/hillary-clinton-speeches-keystone_n_7463108.html

[Logical]

132. Reading you daily makes me understand the hillary fans. Nt

[DanTex]

133. Happy to be of service!

[pengu]

20. Experience without judgement is worthless

[LexVegas]

21. We get it. You guys don't think the first black President is a progressive either. Yawn. nt

[Dawgs]

27. All black people are progressive?

[pinebox]

31. Right because skin color now decides if you're progressive

Under that frame of mind, Ben Carson, if elected would be a progressive.
BOOM.

[beam me up scottie]

23. You forgot pro-death penalty and pro-cluster bombs.

[pinebox]

34. added

[Hekate]

28. Meh. You would be wrong.

[pinebox]

32. Oh am I? Prove me wrong

We'll wait.

[Hekate]

42. Why bother? HRC's creds have been posted over and over and over and over and over and over.....

If you don't get it by now, there's nothing I can do to help you.

[Phlem]

46. uh huh.

[pinebox]

69. In other words you have no argument. Ktxsbai

[turbinetree]

30. I have yet to see Ms. Clinton walk a picket line.........................................

Feel the Bern

Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, and State and Local Legislatures


Democracy begins with you---------------------tag your it---------------------Sanders to Thom Hartmann


Democracy is not a spectator sport, get involved

[MuseRider]

33. Exhausting!

Thank you.

[fbc]

35. It's embarrassing how she won't own it.

[zappaman]

36. ok. n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

37. I know I am not alone but when she started going down the list of people who wouldn't be deemed

progressive, I was saying right, right, right, right, well Wellstone we disagree on but he's dead.

Thanks for the post!
KICK.

[DrDan]

38. why all of this agida over a one-word label?

Compare the positions of both candidates with respect to the specific issues you care about. Then make your decision.

Get over it. There is nothing to be gained by this continued attention to a manufactured issue.

[pinebox]

40. Manufactured issue? No, not at all

We're sick of Hillary saying anything to woo voters. It's becoming stupid and insane.
She says she'll fight against Wall Street last night while her surrogates are seated next to who?

Give us a break.

This is just more if her being a weathervane and pandering.

[DrDan]

45. and Bernie did not weigh in on the issue?

of course it is a manufactured issue - and a meaningless one.

Look at specific issues and see how each candidate stands.

[pinebox]

47. You miss the point

Every single issue Hillary has wavered on. Every one.
Sand castle integrity but Bernie is the storm.

Again, this.

[DrDan]

53. I think I shall focus on the issues - but best of luck in your efforts in getting

this crucial point resolved

[pinebox]

70. These are issues

Nice you give her a pass on her flip flopping though, America isn't

[Javaman]

39. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511105519

[pinebox]

41. here back at ya

[Javaman]

43. I hope you know I'm agreeing with you, right? nt

[pinebox]

49. Yes I do XD

[TIME TO PANIC]

44. K & R!

[AzDar]

48. Her mask slipped a couple of times last night...horrifying.

[dbackjon]

50. And Sanders opposed Gay Marriage in Vermont

So I guess he isn't a Progressive either.

[navarth]

54. link please.

[dbackjon]

56. I posted this in the LGBT Forum

Has link and direct quote from Sanders:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113746912

[navarth]

64. Saying Sanders opposed gay marriage in Vermont

is a broad brush. I read the article; it's weak tea if you want to use it to paint Bernie with the homophobe brush.

[dbackjon]

78. How is it weak tea?

The quote is the quote. He opposed Gay Marriage in Vermont. He opposed a Supreme Court Decision mandating it nationwide then as well.

But it is ok to use the same standard to paint Hillary with a homophobe brush?

[navarth]

84. I think the question is being adequately addressed by other posters

in this thread and the other.

There's plenty of good things said about Bernie re: this issue in that Time magazine article.

Was he too slow? Perhaps. But nowhere near as slow as Hillary. Want to call them even on gay marriage? Fine. There are numerous other reasons Bernie is the better candidate.

[AlbertCat]

65. Interesting

“Not right now, not after what we went through,”

and

" the whole issue of marriage is a state issue"


Neither of these are opposition. Qualifying "right now" is not out and out opposition. And actually, it being a state issue made it become a federal issue.

(I don't see how marriage is a state issue myself, but traditionally, it has been)

Like the Brady thing.... it seems he's more concerned with his constituents than anything else.

[dbackjon]

79. Obviously not concerned with the gay constituents

"Not right now" Same fucking bullshit we heard from ALL the Democrats. Bernie is painted as different, but he is NOT.

"It's a STATE's Issue - if Bernie had his way, I wouldn't be able to get married in two weeks.


CIVIL RIGHTS are NEVER a state's issue.


That is what the Republicans argue to deny civil rights.

[AlbertCat]

88. Obviously not concerned with the gay constituents

Don't know his history, do you?

[dbackjon]

92. Yes I do - and how it is misrepresented.

I am thankful for his support, but let's not make it to be more than what it is, and how it is much different than Clinton's

[AlbertCat]

97. It sounds different from Clinton to me

http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/29/chuck-todd/nbcs-chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-there-same-sex-marr/

Sounds like he was thinking about his gay contents to me.

But there is this article from Slate:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

So basically, his support wasn't focused enough.... or good enough...or something. It's kinda like all the "Did you hear what Sanders didn't say!" we used to get about racial issues.

[pinebox]

71. Oh this BS talking point again

Let me remind you

[dbackjon]

80. It is not a fucking BS talking point if it is true

Pull your head out of your ass and see reality.

[pinebox]

137. I did

lonnnnnng time ago, go watch the fucking videos and learn history

[Betty Karlson]

51. K&R for exposure. eom

[kristopher]

57. Bookmarking this thread. Thank you. nt

[ReRe]

61. K&R

pinebox, you need to forward this to the Bernie Campaign right now. And when we start sharing valentines, mine will be one that shows up by your name.

[Duval]

62. I copied and pasted the list to send to my sister in FL,

who is voting for Hillary, but has NO idea! She said "Well, Bill did so much for the country". I disputed that (NAFTA, etc.). In fact, this her silly argument when it comes time to vote.

[treestar]

63. Whatever you want to label her or not label her

She's still the best choice for President.

[AlbertCat]

67. She's still the best choice for President.

How about if I label her "Not the best choice for president."


She's not even the safest choice for "nominee".

[SleeplessinSoCal]

66. Being a Socialist isn't being a Progressive,

especially in a time that gun control is in question. Armed for the revolution I gather.

[pinebox]

73. Ya socialist ...buzz word! Drink everybody!

First off it's Democratic Socialist.
Second off, let me try and describe to you what that means with this;

So no, Bernie isn't a socialist, he isn't working to bring back the KGB and no you don't have start building a bunker in your backyard.

I'm curious though since you're so big on the 'socialist" name tag, which of these do you hate?


Let's look at life in countries where Bernie ideal is a big thing shall we? You know, the best countries in the world to live in.



That's some pretty scary stuff right there. I mean the thought that someone working in fast food could actually, well you know, LIVE! The horror!

Now about your gun issue.
Perhaps you can explain this to us?

And yes that is a Hillary campaign ad mailer from when she ran against Obama.

Oops!

[RoccoR5955]

104. Being a Socialist is much more liberal than

being a Neo-Liberal Capitalist.
Oh, and have I mentioned, Bernie is NOT, I repeat NOT a Socialist. He's a Democratic Socialist.
Watch these videos then tell me the same thing:

[SleeplessinSoCal]

105. Asking for free college is fairly Liberal/Socialist in practice.

The debate is whether or not we fix our tax code to properly distribute wealth. In the past that was enough to make for a great economy, unleash potential for entrepreneurship for continuing innovation, a path to wealth, and have a functioning Capitalist system. FDR saved it once before. It can be saved again without losing our national identity.

[RoccoR5955]

106. I don't think that Capitalism can be saved.

That has been my belief all along, and here's my logic.
Capitalism implies that there is infinite profit to be made, from infinite resources. On a planet with finite resources, many of which we are running short on, this cannot be true. There must be a point in time where we share what resources there are, so they can do the greatest good for the most people. This is not possible under a free market capitalist system. It is nearly impossible in a regulated capitalist system. Under capitalism, people just get too greedy.

[Juicy_Bellows]

68. OP so nice I'll kick it twice.

[RBInMaine]

72. POOP TO THIS POST ! And POOP to CRAZY PURITY !

[pinebox]

74. Yup lots of poop

I agree.

[farleftlib]

75. Oh noes!11!

The all-powerful poop defense, beats all other arguments hands down. Especially when done it all caps.

[pinebox]

76. Ya otherwise known as facts = shit

[HooptieWagon]

81. Well, she has endorsements from progressives like Henry Kissinger.

And there were only 9 non-progressive Senators who were more progressive than she was.
I'm still undecided...if she gets the coveted Dick Cheney progressive endorsement then I'm onboard.

[pinebox]

86. By that train of thought we'll haul out the HRC was once a Republican card

Touche.

Reality check time.
Tell us how Hillary is growing the Dem party please? She isn't.

Meanwhile THIS.

[bvar22]

90. Lets take a closer look, OK?

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[Yeager29]

83. Hillary is not Bill

Nor is she Obama or Biden, no matter how much she tries. What she is...is a lying DINO. A repub in sheep's clothing. A hypocrite. You can't trust a word out of her mouth. OP is spot on.

[Metric System]

103. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[rjsquirrel]

85. Is too

Nyah nyah

[Broward]

91. Wow, if I didn't know any better, I'd say she's a right winger.

[Metric System]

102. Please list the Republicans who are pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro union and pro gun control.

[pinebox]

113. Sure

Who are log cabin Republicans?
Republicans for Choice SuperPAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_for_Choice---

Susan Collins of Maine
Mark Kirk of Illinois
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
House[edit]
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania
Rodney P. Frelinghuysen of New Jersey
Robert Dold Of Illinois
Greg Walden of Oregon

Union-Backed Super PAC Supports Republicans http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/10/union-backed-super-pac-supports-rep/

Here Are 3 Gun Control Proposals That Republicans Actually Support http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/08/pew-gun-study

I win!
Now what?

[CharlotteVale]

100. K&R. She will always put the 1% first. Always.

[Metric System]

101. Pro choice. Pro gay. Pro gun control. Pro voting rights. Yep, she's a progressive. Bernie and his

supporters don't get to decide who's a progressive or not.

[JonLeibowitz]

107. Yes, we do. Everyone does. You are of course free to disagree. n/t

[pinebox]

108. she flip flopped on half those

and sorry she is no progressive, see list above

then this http://www.ifyoulikehillary.com

[aikoaiko]

109. Seth Myers: "Hillary said "progressive" 15 times at last night's debate.

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Does she want to be president or Flo?"

[pinebox]

112. lol Good one!

[senz]

110. So who does she think she's fooling?

MSM misinformed voters everywhere and, of course, DU's own Hill supporters.

Excellent OP, pinebox.

[pinebox]

111. Thanks!

[kydo]

114. She's a progressive.

She is also a liberal. She was even a liberal when it was a four letter word and when we changed that term to progressive, you know because progressive is a nicer term for liberal as the nutter just refer to liberals as libatards or what ever the insult is. Progressive sounded better and didn't conjure up hippies and dirty feet when spoken in public. Now it is taking a while for the wing-heads to come up with an insulting word for progressive, maybe there are two many letters and they would have to think really hard to do it.

But HRC is a progressive.

[Gene Debs]

115. You shot the OP to pieces with this brilliant refutation. Kudos to you, sir, kudos.

[bvar22]

125. Well, lets take a look:

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot on major issues.
That is NOT "Progressive by anyone's definition.

[cantbeserious]

127. One Response - Iraq War Vote = War Hawk - Progressives Promote Peace

eom

[pinebox]

134. This is NOT progressive

[amborin]

140. incredible!

[basselope]

123. By Hillary's definition bush was a progressive.

She simply uses the word progress.

We had "progress" under bush.. not GOOD progress, but progress.

She isn't a progressive, she is a center right politician, just like her husband, just like Obama.

[sammythecat]

124. Great information there, pinebox.

Thanks for doing this, I couldn't have done it. I hope a lot of people read this and learn. This country really needs to change direction in the worst way and Hillary Clinton has no interest in that. She'll keep us on the same shit road we've been on for the last 35 years.

[-none]

130. We have already changes direction in the worst way.

Now we need to change direction in the best way.
A good start is to support Bernie Sanders.

[cantbeserious]

126. Thank You For Sharing These Truths

eom

[still_one]

128. how many Hillary supporters have you persuaded with your bullshit rants. See ya after Super Tuesday

[pinebox]

131. How many people has Hillary persuaded to join the Democratic party?

And yet you can't prove me wrong. Go figure.

Say hi to your Walmart candidate.

[still_one]

135. Since our last discussion where you said you are not even a Democrat, and you align with the greens,

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I suspect if Hillary wins the nomination, you won't be spending much time here spreading your bullshit around here

[pinebox]

138. Mad are you

Sorry I'm more of a Dem than you, wait, no i'm not

[still_one]

139. I am not mad at you, I know exactly who you are

[LuvLoogie]

129. Progressive = New Wave

[amborin]

141. kick