Sanders fixation on Iraq is unbelievably tiresome. Really shows that he has no clue on foreign polic

[riversedge]

I agree.


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Michael Cohen ?@speechboy71 12h12 hours ago

Sanders fixation on Iraq is unbelievably tiresome. Really shows that he has no clue on foreign policy



http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/democratic-debate-highlights/index.html?eref=rss_latest

.......................After the debate, the Clinton campaign blasted Sanders on foreign policy, accusing him of drawing a clumsy comparison between the U.S. policy of opening diplomatic relations with Cuba and the proper way to approach Iran, which remains locked in confrontation with Washington despite the clinching of a nuclear deal last year.

Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook told CNN's Don Lemon that Clinton has shown herself able to handle both domestic policy and to serve as commander in chief.

"I think you saw Sen. Sanders fail that national security test," Mook said.....................

[valerief]

1. The Iraq vote is why we have all this ISIS bullshit. It was a crucial vote and

those who didn't plan on making money off it knew what havoc it could wreak--and did wreak.

[grasswire]

2. no, he just has message discipline

Every time he mentions her IWR vote, he dings her.

[dogman]

3. Yeh, they're dead and gone, let's move on.

Which war is next?

[reformist2]

20. Yep. They want us to move on. But guess what, we will continue to harp on it!

[beam me up scottie]

4. Mook = Hillary's HA Goodman.

Of course Hillary's war record seems tiresome to him.

[cali]

5. Hillary is corrupt and has demonstrated horrible judgment repeatedly

[bkkyosemite]

6. He hasn't won the GE yet. When he does

he will tell how he will take care of foreign policy. It was stupid of Chuuky Ducky to ask who his cabinet would be. Too soon. And Hillary did not answer that question. Hillary's judgement is flawed with regards to foreign policy. Of course my opinion.

[farleftlib]

7. tiresome?

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

[Indepatriot]

8. I KNOW!!!... I mean, what's 100,000+ dead innocents in the name of political expediency?

Or BILLIONS of dollars?
Or thousands of U.S. casualties?
Or 50,000 cases of PTSD?

It's all so very tiresome....

[deutsey]

11. Well, as some used to say after the 2000 election: "Get Over It"

[JudyM]

9. Oh, right. Only the most important foreign policy question of our time. Check out this quote...

"I am concerned about the problems of so-called unintended consequences. Who will govern Iraq when Saddam Hussein is removed and what role will the U.S. play in ensuing a civil war that could develop in that country?”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1146846


Judgment matters. He was certainly educated enough on the issues to see through the emporer's new clothes. And had the courage to stand alone, against the tide that swept up Hillary!

[thereismore]

10. The thought of 5,000 dead Americans just tires me every time I think about it. Makes me yawn right

fucking now!

[TwilightGardener]

12. The fallout from Iraq is still going on, in many aspects.

From ISIS to caring for wounded troops and wrestling with DoD budgets after so much money was blown. It was a hands-down disaster.

[Beacool]

13. It's apparent that he's not well versed in foreign policy.

But it's ridiculous for a candidate who wants to be CIC to revert to his stock answer of not voting for the war when asked any question on foreign policy. It's 2016. We have ISIS and other terrorists groups causing mayhem in various countries, who gives a crap (other than the uber liberals who support him) about how anyone voted on the IWR???? I want to know what he plans to do to defeat them. Saying that you're going to "crush them" and not explain how you plan to do so is useless.

[TwilightGardener]

16. But ISIS is a result of our decision to upend Iraq and dissolve the Baathists and army,

and weaken or destroy the stabilizing institutions. That says to me, "No more regime change in the Middle East". Hillary did not learn that lesson. Bernie always knew it.

[Beacool]

33. Yes, he was sitting in the Senate as the anti-establishment guy.

Hillary and president Obama were trying to come with a workable plan of action in response to the various uprisings in the M.E. due to the "Arab Spring". Obama was also someone who went in with not a breadth of experience in foreign policy and soon found out that the world is very complicated and nothing is in black and white. That sometimes the best solution is in shades of gray and not ideal. Sanders is an ideologue and a purist. I would prefer him to stay where he is, like Warren. They are very much needed in the Senate. I'm sorry, but I don't see Sanders as president. Take him out of his one big issue, income inequality, and he's lost in the forest. Furthermore, his standard answer as to how he would implement his agenda is to call for a "political revolution". Please, that's utopia and not a reality based plan of action.

In an ideal world, he would be a good president. In the current world, he would be ineffective. That's why I think that, when all is said and done, Hillary will be the nominee.

[TwilightGardener]

36. OK, valid argument. However, you say if you take him out of his "one big issue", he's lost

(which I would dispute)--he HAS that one big issue. Probably the most important one, in fact, in terms of ordinary Americans' quality of life. It's good, in fact KEY, to be known for something definitively in an election. For people to say, what does Sanders stand for, and be able to answer right away, whether you're a political junkie or lazy headline reader the day before an election--that's a good thing. On everything else, I don't see him as being any different than any other Dem, more or less. I think he's a competent and honest guy who will choose good advisors.

[cali]

14. Here's what's fucking tiresome, Cohen, you asswipe.

That Iraq cost over a trillion.

That hundreds of thousands of civilians died.

That women's rights and welfare took a nose dive.

That it broke the region into bloody pieces.

That it wreaked havoc on tens of thousands of American service men and women.

That's just for starters

Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cohen.

[Jefferson23]

15. It's about her JUDGEMENT on Iraq. I would be tired of hearing about it too, if I were her.

She might want to be more careful using Obama to defend herself,
because it is well understood she is more militant than he is. Not
all Democrats and Independents embrace conflicts nor do they perceive
her war rhetoric as a sign of strength...just the opposite.

With that said, Libya should be discussed further and her no fly zone
ideas in Syria,...she is not on board with all of Obama's ideas so Sanders
did well to point out diplomacy does not have to be followed by her
definition.

[Uponthegears]

17. I am not sure

you want Bernie talking about Clinton's foreign policy "achievements."

They're nothing to be writing home about.

What countries have benefitted from the "Arab Spring" (except, of course, Israel which has seen strong Arab rivals descend into chaos)? What is "good" about what has happened in the Balkans? How about Central America . . . with tens of thousands fleeing . . . what "good" did she do there?

At this point in time, the only good thing that seems to have happened is the increasing normalization of relationships with Cuba and the Iran nuclear deal, neither of which Hillary could close the deal on . . . well, not at least before she left to start campaigning and both of which she will flee from like a scalded dog when it gets to the GE.

People criticize her for her Iraq war vote (and there is no doubt but that her vote distinguishes her from Senator Sanders), but seriously, what did she accomplish as SOS?

[Arazi]

18. Oh I'm sure Clinton and her supporters want this to go away

They'd love it if Sanders never mentioned it again

[Arugula Latte]

19. Au contraire. The vote shows that Hillary's "judgment" has everything to

do with political expediency at the moment and nothing to do with the long view and foreign policy objectives. Her vote has come back to bite her on the ass several times, but at the time her main consideration was "I don't want Fox News to say I'm anti-American!"

[artislife]

21. Best thing about Bernie

He won't go looking to send more people out to die.

And he will take care of those who went out and came back.

[cali]

22. This guy is pathetic. Why doesn't he just say he is a supporter of Hillary's?

His pieces on Bernie are all the worst kind of dishonest hit jobs. On Hillary they're as fawning as they come. Looks like Chris Ford's former speechwriter wants a gig in a hill administration. This guy really is nothing but a smear merchant of the ugliest Brockian sort.

Bernie Sanders doesn’t get how politics works

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/01/18/bernie-sanders-doesn-get-how-politics-works/GYDR7MTl0Vu3TSAHRMWipJ/story.html


The Winner of 2015? Hillary Clinton
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/24/the-winner-hillary-clinton/KcjEONBB52FaHr8z796xVN/story.html


This piece is a riot though. Stupid and wrong, but funny


Hillary Clinton will announce her candidacy for President from a position of unprecedented political strength for a nonincumbent. She is not only the most popular figure in the Democratic Party, she is also the only politician in the country with a net positive favorability rating.

She’s enormously popular among African-Americans, women and Hispanics, but the left remains suspicious of her — supporting a disastrous war and appearing too cozy with Wall Street has that kind of effect.

But it won’t be that hard for Clinton to placate the left on a number of issues. When it comes to tackling income inequality, paid maternity and sick leave, raising the minimum wage or increasing infrastructure spending, the smart political positioning for Hillary happens to be the same place where liberals want her to be.

f there is anywhere she may want to deviate from the Obama line it would be on foreign policy. But even here, she must pick her spots wisely. Taking a more conciliatory line on Israel or floating the idea of increasing defense spending is one thing — criticizing the President’s Iran deal or starting to talk about boots on the ground in Iraq would be decidedly unwise.

With strong turnout from key Democratic constituencies representing Hillary’s best hope for winning the White House, she should avoid taking stances that risk alienating liberals. The good thing for her is that it won’t be that hard to do.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cohen-hillary-clinton-alienate-left-article-1.2182097


Bwahaha. Fucking toady asswipe.

[sadoldgirl]

23. It was not just her vote,

other Dems votes the same way.

However, I don't know of any other Dem giving
a 19 minute speech to promote W's insanity!

That if nothing else shows a total lack of
judgement.

[AgingAmerican]

24. Her record is tiresome?

[riversedge]

25. "I think you saw Sen. Sanders fail that national security test," Not only

this time but most of the time when he talks about foreign policy

[cali]

28. Cohen is a hill toady. But his adoring piece last April

about her just before she announced, is a riot. He gets it so wrong. Delicious.

Asswipe David Brock type.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

32. I dont think it is fair to say he has failed but it is fair to question

how in-depth and critical he is taking the non domestic issues.

Not that he doesnt care, not that he doesnt understand them, but his seemingly singular focus on economics may expose a lack of preparedness on day one in the WH.

I think his judgment is excellent, but he would very much need the very best to surround him.

But then the question is who?

Does he have a short list of advisers we can look at?

[VulgarPoet]

26. I'd rather have a pacifist than someone who helped create ISIS.

eom

[kenfrequed]

27. I will tell my fellow veterans

I will tell them you find Sanders unwillingness to sacrifice them for Bush wars "tiresome."

[ladjf]

29. So far, his knowledge has proved to be better that Hillary's , Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. nt

[unc70]

30. Obama was fixated on her Iraq vote, top

She was wrong in 2002, wrong in 2008, wrong now.

Defending her vote is not a winning strategy.

[UglyGreed]

31. I could post pictures of

babies who lost limbs and others who are still suffering due to the invasion, but I'm sure people have seen these before.

[leftofcool]

34. Bernie Sanders is not ready to be CIC

[Avalux]

35. I'm tired of attempts at revisionist history regarding the Iraq invasion. It WAS a horrible blunder.

The American people were lied to and convinced we had to invade that country or MUSHROOM CLOUDS....TERRORISM.....

The GOP tries really hard to make us forget the disastrous neocon policies (PNAC anyone?) that got us there, now Hillary is jumping on that bandwagon, sounding very much like a neocon last night. Name dropping Kissinger? Channeling George Bush and declaring "as president I will keep you safe"?

Come on. Bernie is correct is driving this issue home so that it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

[bowens43]

37. Actually it shows quite the opposite

Hill would like us to forget that she helped create this mess

[laruemtt]

38. Hundreds of thousands dead

and ongoing instability in the Middle East and the creation of ISIS require "fixation" on that pesky little Iraq vote of hers.

[jeff47]

39. It's so tiresome when people keep wanting to talk about that time you killed 1M people. (nt)