2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Bernie Sanders Can't Govern
She is a Progressive who can get things done. simple as that.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/why-bernie-sanders-cant-win-and-cant-govern/460182/
Why Bernie Sanders Can't Govern
Hillary Clintons realistic attitude is the only thing that can effect change in todays political climate.
David Goldman / AP
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Norm Ornstein 11:52 AM ET Politics
Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz have something in common. Both have an electoral strategy predicated on the ability of a purist candidate to revolutionize the electoratebringing droves of chronic non-voters to the polls because at last they have a choice, not an echoand along the way transforming the political system. Sanders can point to his large crowds and impressive, even astonishing, success at tapping into a small-donor base that exceeds, in breadth and depth, the remarkable one built in 2008 by Barack Obama. Cruz points to his extraordinarily sophisticated voter-identification operation, one that certainly seemed to do the trick in Iowa.
But is there any real evidence that there is a hidden sleeper cell of potential voters who are waiting for the signal to emerge and transform the electorate? No. Small-donor contributions are meaningful and a sign of underlying enthusiasm among a slice of the electorate, but they represent a tiny sliver even of that slice; Ron Pauls success at fundraising (and his big crowds at rallies) misled many analysts into believing that he would make a strong showing in Republican primaries when he ran for president. He flopped.
Is there a huge core of committed ideological conservatives who have not voted before because they had only moderates on the ballot? Other than the fact that no objective person could look at the policy positions of John McCain and Mitt Romney as moderate, there is no evidence; the only real parallel to draw on for the theory is Barry Goldwater in 1964. Important as voter identification and get-out-the-vote efforts are, they do not convince chronic non-voters to vote. And, of course, a truly purist ideological campaign would stir a clear counter-reaction on the other side, diluting its impact.
The more important question, in many ways, that flows from this theory is about governing. It is here that the Bernie Sanders approach needs more dissection. Lets say Sanders is accurate enough that his nomination would lead to his election via a bump in turnout from young voters and other populists disgusted by inequality, the billionaire class privilege and the distorted campaign-money system. Lets say that he survives the billion dollars that might be spent by the Koch brothers alliance, the business community, the Republican candidate, and the Republican Party to destroy him as an unreconstructed socialist who will raise everybodys taxes..............
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Norm Ornstein writes for the American Enterprise Institute, from Right Wing Watch:
The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is one of the oldest and most influential of the pro-business right-wing think tanks. It promotes the advancement of free enterprise capitalism, and has been extremely successful in placing its people in influential governmental positions, particularly in the Bush Administration. AEI has been described as one of the country's main bastions of neoconservatism.
Background and History
Most of AEI's Board of Directors are CEOs of major companies, including ExxonMobil, Motorola, American Express, State Farm Insurance, and Dow Chemicals.
Big donors include the top conservative foundations, including Smith-Richardson Foundation, the Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.
Corporate supporters have included: General Electric Foundation, Amoco, Kraft Foundation, Ford Motor Company Fund, General Motors Foundation, Eastman Kodak Foundation, Metropolitan Life Foundation, Proctor & Gamble Fund, Shell Companies Foundation, Chrysler Corporation, Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, General Mills Foundation, Pillsbury Company Foundation, Prudential Foundation, American Express Foundation, AT&T Foundation, Corning Glass Works Foundation, Morgan Guarantee Trust, Smith-Richardson Foundation, Alcoa Foundation, and PPG Industries.
Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron, was until recently on the board of trustees of American Enterprise Institute. Other famous former trustees include Vice President Dick Cheney.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-enterprise-institute#sthash.42r24cFE.dpuf
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)You beat me too it
+1000000000
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But they're so busy scouring the internet for dirt they don't care. I've seen them post links to FreeBeacon, Stormfront and even a Holocaust denier's website.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She's really getting her progressive creds out there!
Lmao at Camp Weathervane flailing about...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's quite a lineup of progressive endorsements.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Another article from the oft-humiliated Atlantic writer Norm Orstein
"Norm Ornstein is a contributing writer for The Atlantic, a contributing editor and columnist for National Journal, and a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research"
http://www.theatlantic.com/author/norman-ornstein/
THANKS OP!!! Without you I would have no idea what the American Enterprise Institute's little hack had to say!
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)And as the article points out, Hillary is a lot better at that than Sanders.
Good read.
Flying Phoenix
(114 posts)Her experience as a Secretary of State does not count. It is not an executive position, but rather a Cabinet position. Her New York senator experience no longer counts because we all know she was a carpetbagger from Illinois that wanted a safe Senate seat to run, and chose New York and representing Wall Street.
Bernie on the other hand, has plenty of executive experience being a mayor of Burlington and representing the citizens of Vermont.
Chezboo
(230 posts)Dems, stop lying to yourselves about Hillary: Sure, she "gets s*** done" atrocious s***, that is
The argument that Clinton can navigate the nightmare of D.C. better than Bernie is simply wrong
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/05/dems_stop_lying_to_yourselves_about_hillary_sure_she_get_s_done_atrocious_s_that_is/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to stop pushing for her.
Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)I love his works