Now Bernie Sanders is pissing off Senate Democrats? He won't be able to get anything done.

[Cali_Democrat]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-senate-democrats-218751

But now, after his near-upset in Iowa and an expected victory next week in New Hampshire, it's beginning to look like open season on Sanders for Senate Democrats.

They're criticizing his platform as naive, taking exception to his criticism of Clinton as a fake progressive, and imploring the media to put the Vermont independent and self-described democratic socialist under the microscope.

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Some went further, saying Sanders, who caucuses with Democrats but identifies as independent, isn't really a Democrat..
"Hillary's a progressive in the way she views the issues every day," said liberal Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “Bernie’s a Democrat some days. And that’s a fact with evidence.”

“All of us are laughing going like, ‘How did we become establishment?’” McCaskill said. “I’ve been fighting the establishment my whole life. It feels weird that they’re dismissing all of the senators that are supporting Hillary Clinton by kind of lumping us into some category that most of us find distressing and unfair.”

We know the Republicans in Congress won't work with him and now Senate Democrats are going after him?

How can Bernie possibly get anything accomplished as President if almost nobody in Congress likes him?

Not a single one of his colleagues in the Senate has endorsed him. That's saying a lot. He will need allies in the Senate if he wants to get free college and single payer healthcare through Congress.

Bernie's "political revolution" has already failed IMO.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. I support Hillary if she is the nominee, but when someone like McCaskill laughs at the

idea of being establishment and then says she has spent her life fighting the establishment, I get sad and am reminded that yes they are all part of the establishment, INCLUDING Bernie.

This outsider nonsense has to stop, nobody running for the White House in 2016 is an outsider and that includes Trump who has been buying politicians for decades.

Focus on electing either Bernie or Hillary, everybody, please.

Focus on understanding what is at stake if you dont.

[yeoman6987]

32. Barbara boxer is retiring

[NorthCarolina]

2. With regard to Boxer and McCaskill, I would welcome their hate.

eom

[Cali_Democrat]

11. So who is Bernie going to work with in the Senate to get 60 votes

or even 50 votes for single payer, free college, and $15 minimum wage?

Name some names.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. So your theory is that Clare and Barbara will act as obstructionists to a Sanders administration?

That they would do to him what the Republicans like to do to Obama? That is a very serious assertion about them.

[Cali_Democrat]

21. If someone pokes you in the eye, would you want to work with them?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

Bernie would receive a smack back of epic proportions.

He's already "Berned" bridges so to speak.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. As a gay man I've had to do that constantly, our own President poked my eye many times on his road

to the WH. Bernie is the only current national politician that has not insulted my community to score bigot brownie points. So to me Claire sounds privileged and whining.

Additionally this is a woman who often touts the fact that she regularly votes against the Democrats because she's a moderate, and she speaks rather eloquently about the fact that the Senate is designed to force unlike minds to take united action. She's 'reached out' to many Republicans while chattering about the need to work with people you do not agree with. So if she was to obstruct a Democratic President because she favored the other candidate she'd be a huge hypocrite.

And remember, she was Obama Mama in 08, calling Bill Clinton's honesty into question as he campaigned for Hillary. She opposed Hillary strongly then. As so many of Hillary's supporters did. It is unfortunate that so many called them dishonest or potentially so as Claire did because that indicates that her primary mode is extreme and not really tied to her reality. 'She's dishonest, she's honest, he's not honest, he is honest, I'm Claire McCaskill and my word is like a feather in the wind'.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. So someone poked you in the eye and you kept working with them?

That's too bad.

If someone poked me in the eye I wouldn't want to work with them anymore.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. Why be a jerk about this? It was your freaking analogy, no one got poked in the eye, obviously.

That was just rude and uncalled for and mean. You are not being an honest broker.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. I'm not the one who likes to get poked in the eye and take it

That's just not me.

I will fight for what I believe in.

You should try it some time.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. yeah, LGBT don't know how to fight for what we believe in nor work with those who don't treat us as

equals. Thanks for wising me up.

[Indepatriot]

71. Another Pragmatist...... McCaskill already "poked" Sanders several times....so by your "logic" he

should have nothing to do with her.....How you gonna "get things done" like that?????

[NorthCarolina]

20. I believe he'll have millions of helpers who will deal with Congress Critters.

One thing about many Senators and Congress Persons is that they love their cushy job enough that Maybe, just maybe...they will come to see things 'differently'.

So you can ask for all the names you want, but you know what? It doesn't really matter.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. EXACTLY!! This is a question that has not been asked of Bernie. He's getting off easy in the debates

[dmosh42]

3. Most senate Dems are more in tune with the Repukes and are definitely "on the take". So fuck them!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

38. "So fuck em". But again, if Bernie says "fuck em," then who does he expect to get the votes from?

Republicans? It's not happening.

There aren't enough liberal/progressive Democrats in either chamber.

So again, how is Sanders going to get the support for single payer, free college tuition, and a $15 minimum wage?

Where are the votes???

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

4. Many people are making this point. I'm frustrated that in these debates, no one has asked Sanders

how he will work with moderate and conservative Democrats and Republicans to actually get his agenda passed.

As for the "Establishment" meme, Sanders has been in Congress for 30 years. How is he not Establishment?

[Wilms]

9. The meme is, "How is he not Establishment?"

If he was Establishment, there wouldn't be all of this upset.

Think about it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. I don't think it's a matter of being upset. I think people are laughing at the assertion.

How is a guy who's spent his entire professional career in Washington, D.C., not an insider or part of the Establishment?

And mind you: I like Bernie. I even see him from time to time over on Capitol Hill during lunch. He's friendly, approachable and very talkative.

But the assertion that he's NOT part of the Washington Establishment is laughable.

[Wilms]

44. Okee Doke.

You prefer to ignore every relevant metric and repeat about his time in office as if it proves your point.

Good for you. AND you get to vote, despite the logic fail.

[yeoman6987]

34. He'd just mention the VA again.

[stonecutter357]

5. K&R!

[cali]

6. Lol.

[Ferd Berfel]

7. GEe the corporatist DLC Hillary surrogates are miffed at Bernie

IS he getting in the way of them collecting their Lobby money?

[bowens43]

8. blah blah blah blah

[Live and Learn]

10. The ESTABLISHMENT support Hillary! What a surprise. nt

[Fawke Em]

12. He's not doing anything to piss them off other than be consistant.

They're just mad he's doing so well.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. So who is he going to work with in the Senate to get single payer

free college and $15 minimum wage?

[Bluenorthwest]

17. So Claire the Conservative will stomp her feet and obstruct legislation out of pettiness if Bernie

is President? That's what you are claiming? They would refuse to work with him? Like the GOP does with Obama?

[politicaljunkie41910]

70. Clair is from a purple state. Everyone there is not a liberal who wants to pay higher taxes to pay

for all of Bernie's Free Stuff.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. Like most people, they will get over it if their preferred candidate doesn't win.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

14. we can vote them out also - those who fight Sanders...

will not do well

[Voice for Peace]

16. No Bernie isn't. They are doing that to themsrlves.

Get real, quit the distortions.

[cali]

18. His breathing is pissing off these folks.

How dare he run against Hillary? Bad Bernie.

[Goblinmonger]

19. Wait. So if Sanders supporters don't support Clinton if she wins the nomination,

they are horrible people who were never really Democrats and will be the cause of every bad thing that happens.

But when Democrats say that they won't work with the president that would be elected as a Democrat, they are proof that that Democrat shouldn't be president?

1. This makes my head spin.
2. This is so fucking laughable; you couldn't write this for a sitcom and have it be believed, but here it is.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. Screw 'em. Once Bernie is President they can fall in line or get primaried. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

26. So Bernie is going to openly call for a bunch of Senate Democrats to be primaried?

How exactly will that work?

Wanna flesh that one out a little more?

[Motown_Johnny]

27. If they are still fighting him when he is President, it will happen.

He won't need to call for it.


At that point, even you will want it to happen.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. So a sitting Democratic President will openly call for

a bunch of Congressional Democrats to be primaried...meanwhile alienating a bunch of folks in Congress with no guarantee of success because members of Congress are usually reelected at a 90% clip.

Sounds like fool proof plan.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. It's an idiotic plan, and many of these Sanders fanatics lack critical thinking skills.

I'm just sitting here flabbergasted by the irrational nonsense I'm reading.

[JimDandy]

65. He called for Obama to be primaried,

at least according to you Clinton supporters, and look where he is now-within reach of the very office of the person you all said he wanted primaried.

[UglyGreed]

23. Nice to see

that they will hold a grudge and will let it interfere with their work...................for the people

[treestar]

25. He's not going to be President

Fortunately, so we don't have to deal with that problem.

[NurseJackie]

64. He won't even be the nominee! That'll be clear in about 6 weeks! :-D

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Some stuff McCaskill Says:

"I'm a moderate. I hang out in the middle. I vote against my party with some regularity and try to compromise. It doesn't appear right now that the Republican Party is welcoming moderates any more."

"I do not begrudge Bill Clinton's working for his wife, but the one thing I would say is really important to President Clinton to think about right now, because of the larger megaphone he has as a former president, he really needs to be careful with the truth."


Claire is swiftly approaching her 3d anniversary as a supporter of equal rights, having formerly been one of the longest and most intense opponents of civil rights for some minority groups in this Party. She and Hillary are the Holdout Twins and they defended that special status for their own to the last.

[HooptieWagon]

29. The DLCorporatist Dems are starting to panic.

Good. They've been put on notice.

[jonestonesusa]

30. There's accountability for everyone, including Democratic officeholders.

With the scale of social problems that we are facing, it's time for all current office holders to look squarely in the mirror and take responsibility. Votes for war in Iraq, deregulation, bank bailouts, failures to use the supermajority in 2009 to get some additional progressive actions done - this is the reality. Sanders is the messenger - but the mess belongs to all of us. Barbara Boxer's hurt feelings are the least of our concerns. We are in a battle for the future of our country. So we need to leave the pity party behind and have the political debate we need to have so we can DO SOMETHING!!

[Jefferson23]

35. Your OP's read like retribution for Obama, it is funny. n/t

[DesertRat]

41. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Claire on Bill Clinton-“He’s been a great leader but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

This was 2006 on TV debating Jim Talent.

[Cali_Democrat]

45. Cool story, bro

What's your point?

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Don't address me in that manner, and never doubt my word.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Do you have a point with this?

Last time I checked, Bill Clinton isn't running for President....and Claire isn't either.

Your posts are irrelevant.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. Your OP presents Claire as a resonable and progresive person. I do not agree with that,so I offer

examples of things she's said and done that I do not like. I posted that video because you pulled 'Cool story bro' crap at me so I plastered her there saying the very thing you cast doubt upon. If you did not do that rude 'bro' shit and 'cool story' Claire would have been spared the video testimony but you asked for it. You got it. McCaskill.


If you play nice, others will too, if you play mean, that's what you will get. Question my honesty and call me 'bro' and I'll post Claire being trashy toward Bill, even as she says she's taking his help, which is the actual point. She insults people she is actually working with, which you repeatedly say no one does. Bill and Claire obviously both do. Think about it,

[Cali_Democrat]

54. My OP does nothing of the sort

My OP presented various Senate Democrats who are not happy with Sanders, Claire being one of several.

Next time read the post before replying.

That shouldn't be too difficult.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Of course it does, I did not say that is all it does but it sure as shit does cite McCaskill as

a person to take seriously instead of as the randomly nasty partisan moderate that she is. If you don't want to talk about her, do not post articles about her.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. She poked you in the eye as well?

That's too bad.

[Bluenorthwest]

63. Repeating material this early in the tour, Cali_Democrat?

A poke in the eye with a sharp stick might be better than a pig in a poke with a sharp stick, but that's a matter of subjective opinion and personal taste.

[SheenaR]

47. The only way this thread is relevant

is if you honestly believe they will vote with the Republicans if he is President

[ChiciB1]

48. I Replied To This Earlier Today Saying This...

THIS Is Why So Many DEMOCRATS Are Fed Up With OUR Democrats in Congress!

They haven't been there for us, they have about a 7% approval rating, they almost to a person are "on the take" and THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEIR Apple Carts UPSET!

HOW DARE THEY!!!! How long have we been complaining about them, calling them, writing them, calling them SPINELESS as we've watched them ROLL OVER time and time again!

F--king SCREW THEM 10 times over or more! Suck on a ROCK or stick it up your A--!

KICK THEM OUT! How VERY pious of them. I've called Senator Bill Nelson here in FL so many times it drives me crazy! What have we gotten? Almost a huge ZERO!

Get a clue you S--tHeads!!

[Bluenorthwest]

51. McCaskill is one of the establishment's longest lasting Defenders of Sacred Marriage

Took her until March of 2013 to stop opposing the idea that others should have rights she was born with. That's why she's seen as the establishment, she has been a great opponent of progress and a champion of the status quo. That and her status as 12th richest Senator clearly mark her as establishment. She's Big Rich, but of course always taking donations!

[Cali_Democrat]

52. Excellent. Please don't vote for Claire McCaskill for President.

I know I won't be.

Thanks for the heads up....the information you provide is invaluable.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Your OP is about McCaskill, who should I be talking about, Harpo Marx? You brought her to the table

I note and would like to point out to others that you have not commented on nor responded to any of the materials presented to you in response to your own OP's content.

[Cali_Democrat]

56. My OP is not about McCaskill

Not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

My OP is about Senate Democrats who are unhappy with Sanders, McCaskill being one of several.

You really should try reading the article before replying.

[Bluenorthwest]

61. It is about her. And you also claimed she'd not work with Bernie if he's elected. Get over this idea

that you command others. Your own article and thread cite McCaskill, you offered her up. I don't have to address just the portions you demand I address, I can take on the bit of crap I am most ardent to oppose and in this case it is Claire's claiming there is no reason to see her as the establishment. She is the establishment and she has been for most of her career worse than that, an opponent of equality for all people. I do not dig anti equality mindsets and I will always counter them, no matter how much that bothers you. Plus you have been rude to me in this thread and doubted my word and called me 'bro' while doing so. I read the piece, and I grasp it well of course but you can't respond to what I'm saying so again you insult me.
If you find that you are insulting people who are making actual points to you, that's a good time to reflect on your choices.

[William769]

58. Kick & recommended.

[CentralMass]

62. As opposed to getting along with them and getting the wrong things done?

[Warren DeMontague]

67. Claire McCaskill: Ban "Partial Birth" Abortion. Keep Marijuana Illegal. Supports The Patriot Act.

Oh, yeah, she's real fucking cutting edge.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. “All of us are laughing going like, ‘How did we become establishment?’” McCaskill said.

"All of us are laughing, going like 'By opposing marriage equality until the middle of 2013'" Bluenorthwest said.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

69. Lol Neither candidate will get didly-poo accomplished in the first 4 years

Hillary supporters are in denial about this. And if they're not, they're delusional. I see a Sanders election as a sign of things to come. By 2020, he'll pull those suckers to the left - JUST LIKE HE DID HILLARY - or they'll be replaced by more progressive Democrats.