Black Box Voting on the IA Caucus Mess and NH Concerns: 'BradCast' 2/4/2016

[questionseverything]

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http://bradblog.com/?p=11547


That's particularly important in places like New Hampshire where, she explains, the state "very quietly, and actually wrongfully, passed a law in 2003 so that we cannot go back and look at [paper ballots after the election] ... In New Hampshire, they put an amendment on an unrelated bill, the dark of night, and quietly said 'ballots are not a public record anymore'. So while they may say, 'we have ballots and anyone can look', that's not true. I tried."

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a week ago bernie was up by 32 points in nh

last night it was supposedly 20 points

today miraculously it is supposedly 9 points

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anyone remember 08, when obama had all that visible support (long lines, huge turn outs) and a 8 point lead going into nh's primary?

and hc got a miraculous 10 point flip to "win"

and since then nh has made it illegal to examine ballots

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i am sure this is all coincidence just like hc taking huge sums from bankers and wall street doesn't affect her worldview

[leftofcool]

1. Yipeeeeeeeeeee! It's another conspiracy theory.

[questionseverything]

2. i feel kind of hurt...11 minuets is slow

please explain for me why a non transparent system, a trust me system is good enough for our democracy?

[Kip Humphrey]

3. you have a lot to learn.

[leftofcool]

28. Bev Harris? Are you shitting me?

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Start the lawsuit now.

[questionseverything]

6. we tried that in az

http://fatallyflawedelections.blogspot.com/

it is the best documented election theft (so far)

http://www.sweetremedy.tv/fatallyflawed/media/RTA_Fraud_Flyer_3_7_12.pdf

[mcar]

5. Bev Harris? Seriously?

[questionseverything]

7. are you saying this quote is not true?

That's particularly important in places like New Hampshire where, she explains, the state "very quietly, and actually wrongfully, passed a law in 2003 so that we cannot go back and look at ... In New Hampshire, they put an amendment on an unrelated bill, the dark of night, and quietly said 'ballots are not a public record anymore'. So while they may say, 'we have ballots and anyone can look', that's not true. I tried."

[mcar]

9. Perhaps you weren't here in previous election cycles

to see the damage that person wrought on good DUers (may one of them rest in peace ). You might want to google it and then think about deleting this OP.

[questionseverything]

12. are you saying the quote is untrue?

whatever personal things happened at du (honestly don't know )

i believe we the people have a constitutional right to oversee our election process...do you agree or no?

what would be a noble reason for nh making it illegal to examine ballots?

[OilemFirchen]

8. Fuck Bev Harris.

Queen ratfucker now peddling her wares to Berniacs.

Oh. And fuck Bev Harris.

[questionseverything]

10. ok let's pretend it is mickey mouse i am quoting about nh's non transparent system of vote counting

do you stand with the 1% counting our votes or should we count our votes?

should Americans be able to oversee their own elections or not?

[OilemFirchen]

13. I'll be brutally honest.

I believe in ad hominem when it's due. I won't read anything emanating from the toxic, ratfucking Ms. Harris.

Find a better source and I might respond.

BTW, fuck Bev Harris.

[mcar]

15. I second that!

[questionseverything]

16. bradblog is the source

tell me if you agree that examining ballots should be illegal in nh

i disagree

[Le Taz Hot]

20. I'll third that last sentence.

[leftofcool]

30. Yes, fuck Bev Harris!

[greatauntoftriplets]

37. Well said.

[Le Taz Hot]

18. This "Berniac" remembers Bev Harris.

Is that the term you guys are using now? "Berniacs?" Nice.

[OilemFirchen]

22. I can't speak for others, but I've been using the term for quite a while.

It comports well with "Deaniacs"- their own chosen descriptor - and is an homage.

[PeaceNikki]

11. Fuck Bev Harris and everything she touches.

[questionseverything]

14. do you want transparency in our elections or no?

[Le Taz Hot]

17. Bev Harris?????

Ssssssssssss!!!!!!!!! That's as nice as I can be without getting thrown off this board for good.

[questionseverything]

25. if someone can show her quote is untrue, that is one thing

but whatever happened here between personalities

do you think citizens should be able to oversee the election process or no?

[Le Taz Hot]

26. I'm guessing you weren't here during the Bev Harris time

or you wouldn't be bringing her name up here. Talk about black box voting, fine, let's talk. But bring Bev Harris in this conversation? You lose all credibility. People are trying to tell you something. I'd listen if I were you.

[questionseverything]

34. i took her name out of title but here is the thing

there are no msm personalities that will touch this

keith o was the last that tried

win or lose, i want to know the results the msm reports are accurate and not because i trust them but because the system is so transparent that it can not be gamed

[Le Taz Hot]

35. It's a legitimate concern; however,

this has been an issue since the 2002 mid-terms and the Democratic party hasn't touched it. Ever ask yourself why that is?

[questionseverything]

38. because they don't want to end up like seigleman?

Mark Crispin Miller, this week, has unearthed a startling video interview with Siegelman, taped in 2004, in which the former governor focused on allegations of the out-and-out theft of his 2002 contest. He describes having gone to bed on Election Night after having been declared the victor by 6,000 votes following the publicly-counted results. But then, he was then awoken at about 4:30am with the shocking news that the numbers had magically been flipped after the all-Republican Election Board in Baldwin County had "re-counted" the results, illegally, by themselves, after midnight.

Siegelman's only guess about what could have happened: "Somebody electronically manipulated the election results."

The results were then certified immediately by the Republican AG who denied a legally requested hand-count, and the votes were then immediately sealed and locked away beyond reach.

"This election was stolen," Siegelman alleges in the video, "There is no other kind, or sugar-coated way to say it."

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5471

[Le Taz Hot]

39. So, you think this is just a Republican thing?

There's your problem.

[questionseverything]

40. not at all

i think it is a 1% problem, the problem being the 1%ers that own the vote counting software, which count our votes in secret rather than us counting them in an open,transparent way

here is a fav report from 2010, dem primary Arkansas

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7875

Results Drastically Changed

The election numbers have radically changed in Monroe County since the May 18th election. At least as reported on the SoS website, and as confirmed by local officials.

It's not all that unusual for the unofficial numbers to move a bit following election day, as absentee and provisional ballots are counted and added in to the totals, and as precinct numbers are double-checked for accuracy in the post-election canvass. It is, however, unusual, for vote totals to get a great deal smaller rather than larger in the days following the election. And that's what seems to have happened in Monroe County --- radically so.

Somehow, more than a thousand votes disappeared entirely, as the election results in the Dem and GOP Senate primaries have almost entirely changed.

[Le Taz Hot]

42. Are you not aware that this was discussed

and discussed and discussed here at DU? We wrote, we called, we contacted anyone who knew someone who knew someone. It all fell on deaf ears. Now, if you want to offer up solutions as to how we can overcome vote flipping by machines that are easily remotely re-programmed, then I'm all ears. If you're here to "educate" us, then you're a little late.

[questionseverything]

45. i am relatively new here compared to most i guess

theoretically we could vote and stand

imagine if during the machine output, all the voters came back to the polls and counted themselves and the results were different

but getting that organized seems impossible

[Lucinda]

19. A little advice...delete this. Research Bev Harris. n/t

[Skwmom]

21. Do I think they will cheat.

YES!

[questionseverything]

24. during the 08 primary there was a partial recount in nh

the officials would not let dennis k's team see the important checklist numbers so they could be double checked against the machine output numbers

since then nh has made examining ballots illegal...so no one can ever go back and double check "outputs"

whether there is cheating or not there definitely is non transparency

i simply want Americans to be able to oversee every step of the election process

[-none]

29. You are apparently not going to get a straight answer.

And they can't seem to answer what Bev Harris did or didn't do either.

[questionseverything]

31. i am not a personalities person

i have no idea what happened and do not wish to know

i have taken her name out of the title and am genuinely curious if people feel we as citizens have the right to oversee every step in our election process or not

the iowa process was not as transparent as i had hoped for, i know there were huge "irregularities" in nh in 08 and i find it worrisome that they have since made the process less transparent

when we get to sc there is literally nothing to count but absentee ballots and who knows maybe they have made that illegal too

[-none]

33. You will probably have to start a new thread with your question.

[demmiblue]

23. Bev Harris...

[Trajan]

32. Personally, I don't get the Bev Hatreds

Yeah, things got a bit testy during some of the To and Fro in the early days when Bev used to post here ...

I never read or saw anything untoward from her, but, I didn't get into the tete e tete that some did here.

I appreciate her early disclosures about Electronic Voting Systems, and her exposes of Diebold testing anomalies were critical to the overall investigation of fraud in e- voting systems ...

I have no problem with her, but I don't know everything ....

[questionseverything]

36. i don't know any of it

but i do know the non transparent system we have is unacceptable

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7890

As reported by Politico this morning (yes, Politico!):
One potential red flag: A significant difference between the results of absentee and election day ballots.

According to [Rawl campaign manager Walter] Ludwig, of the state's 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots.

"The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don't know what it means," Ludwig said in an interview. "We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn't happen in any other races on the ballot."

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.

"In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast," Ludwig said.

Greene also racked up a 75 percent or greater margin in one-seventh of all precincts statewide, a mark that Ludwig notes is even difficult for an incumbent to reach.

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judge rawl asked the dem party of sc to look at this but they declined

[Paulie]

41. Just self delete

Nothing she says can be trusted. If she says the sun is out at noon I'd check myself because she's complexly untrustworthy.

She used to post on DU. She was banned multiple times. And what she did to Andy Stephenson will NEVER be forgotten.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

[questionseverything]

43. they are finding "errors" in iowa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141338838

[Paulie]

44. You keep ignoring that anything from that person has less than zero credibility here

Your attempts at misdirection is making me question everything............

Read this from the Admins:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x108750

[questionseverything]

47. nothing about her in that post

Party Chairwoman Andy McGuire the day after Monday's caucuses said no review would be conducted, and that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s narrow victory over Bernie Sanders is final.

But as errors are being discovered, the final tally is being changed, party officials confirmed to The Des Moines Register Friday morning.

"Both the Sanders and Clinton campaigns have flagged a very small number of concerns for us, and we are looking at them all on a case-by-case basis," Iowa Democratic Party spokesman Sam Lau told the Register.

[Paulie]

48. Just stop

Your edited title was plain to see.

[questionseverything]

49. i took it out hoping people could get past personalities and discuss the issue

[ProudToBeLiberal]

46. I don't curse that often, but fuck Bev Harris. Nt