New Hampshire, the only unknown is how many GOPers will be voting for Bernie against HRC!

[Bill USA]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/new-hampshire-poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/

[TCJ70]

1. My lifelong Republican mother told me...

...she can't vote for any of the Repub candidates this year because they're all way too crazy. She can't vote for Hillary because she seems dishonest and untrustworthy. But Bernie seems like an honest guy who doesn't want to put up with any crap, so she's going to vote for him. She's not in NH, but I'm sure that sentiment can be extrapolated to at least a few Republicans out there...

[emulatorloo]

4. Hat tip to your mom. No doubt lots of moderate Republicans feel that way.

[Live and Learn]

6. I've seen quite a few like your mother while out tableing for Bernie. nt

[Bill USA]

8. Republicans Really Hate Hillary Clinton --- surprise, surprise

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/exclusive-republicans-really-hate-hillary-clinton

Last night a friend pointed me to a piece at Mediaite by Tommy Christopher. Christopher asked Quinnipiac for the crosstabs of that famous poll in which the top description of Hillary Clinton was "liar," and what he discovered will surprise exactly no one. You can click the link for all the gory details, but here it is in a nutshell: roughly speaking, the only people who described Hillary as a liar were Republicans. And the reason that word so badly outnumbered the others is that Republicans used it in lockstep. The positive descriptions of Hillary were all over the map, so no single one of them racked up big
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In other words, there's actually no news here at all. Republicans hate Hillary, Democrats love Hillary, and independents are unsure. It may well be that Hillary Clinton has an image problem that she needs to work on, but it's pretty much the same image problem she's had forever. -{and one the Republicans have been working on for decades and helped so cheerfully in this disinformation campaign by the GOP toadies of M$M _Bill USA}

[BlueCaliDem]

29. I've learned that Republicans only hate what they fear.

They don't hate Sanders.

[Bernin4U]

33. Funny, we "bernibros" were just told

...in another thread, how terrible we are for calling her a liar.

So I wonder which it is?

Apparently the logical conclusion must be that bernibros are secretly Repubs!

[emulatorloo]

2. Or how many Dems will be voting against Trump in the Republican primary

The whole thing is kind of unpredictable, isn't it? That being said, Bernie is gonna win!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. Is the fear there will be crossovers in various primaries of GOP voting for Bernie

presuming they would rather face Bernie in the GE?

[tecelote]

5. Bernie is going to win.

His message is universal.

[Beacool]

32. He's going to win NH.

The primaries have just started.

[bowens43]

7. Make no mistake the repubs would love to run against hillary

they have been ready for her for decades. Every scandal or wrong doing the she or bill were involved or accused of will flood social media. Makes no difference whether or not it's true. Hill is one of the least trusted politicians of the last 30 years. A significant number of democrats will stay home, not for president or vote for the republican of hill is the nominee.

[Bill USA]

9. only REpublicans believe their bullshit -- well along with some BS supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511150845#post8

[Beacool]

36. Thanks, you made me laugh.

Do you realize that the Republicans have spent millions of dollars attacking Hillary before the first vote was even cast?

[vadermike]

10. ugh

If its Hills Vs Rubio we should just move to Canada.. I mean jeezus... anyone see the RCP averages.. the media is already against Hills to begin with.. i would predict a bloodbath.. she loses by 5-8 points ... all Obama states gone.. and a Red Country as far as the eye could see.. we would never recover.. this election has me depressed.... someone tell me i'm wrong

[Avalux]

16. Your scenario is plausible, but it depends on all of us.

I'm not too far gone yet that I have hope the people of this country will come together and elect Bernie. When I say the people of this country - I mean Independents and Republicans who still have a conscience and can't vote for a Republican. This is the more positive scenario I am choosing to focus on right now and it's becoming more plausible by the day.

[Bernin4U]

39. You're wrong.

Not only will it be Bernie, but he's going to be just the tip of the iceberg.

He won't be Obama 2.0. He's going to keep us in the game (that old "by the people, for the people" thing) to get people elected below him so that we're really getting it done.

Bernie's "And now for something completely different" doesn't end the day he gets in office.

[cali]

11. There are many unknowns

[tomm2thumbs]

56. true -- one line in one speech derailed Romney...

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. Republicans have a spirited contest of their own

The G.O.P. results are quite uncertain with a lot at stake on their side. Those aren't the circumstances under which "dirty tricks" voting occurs in any numbers. If there wasn't a contested G.O.P. primary that might be different - that's when partisans try to influence the other side into nominating who they perceive to be the weakest opponent to them. But at this stage people mostly want to fight to get the person who they believe should be president through the primaries to winning the actual nomination.

But both Trump and Sanders in particular will likely attract some sincere cross over votes. Bernie wins a quarter of the Republican vote when he runs in Vermont, and that is in the general election.

[thesquanderer]

13. NH has a semi-closed primary... Republicans can't vote in the Dem primary

The reason it is "semi" closed is that any voter who is NOT a registered Republican has the option to register as a Democrat right up to primary day if they want to vote in the Dem primary. So it is possible we could see a bunch of "independents" showing up on Tuesday, but not Republicans.

Though to your other point, in areas where Republicans *can* cross party lines and vote in the Dem primary, I would normally be inclined to agree with you, that it's unlikely unless the Republican nomination itself is basically uncontested. But post #1 in this thread does provide another perspective... that there may be some percentage of the Republican electorate who look at their choices and think "none of the above" - and would genuinely prefer to be able to vote for Sanders in November.

[jham123]

17. How many Dems

How many Dems do you think are voting "None of the above"?

Hardly likely. Look at the pure discussions on this board alone. No one is crying "No Vote" and everyone is polarized either for Hillary or Bernie.

Monday is proof, there were .05% of a vote for MoM.....if there was that much dissenting vote, MoM would have gotten a lot more than .05%

[thesquanderer]

19. You misunderstood my post

I wasn't talking about Dems preferring "none of the above" but rather, the possibilities of Republicans, looking at Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Carson, and thinking "none of the above" (or Sanders is better) than THAT gang.

[jham123]

25. mmm

Not likely as the Pubs turned out in records last Monday....they are energized this election.

It's nice to think that they would cross over like they did with McSame or Romney, I just don't believe the sentiment is the same this time around.

[thesquanderer]

35. There are no open primaries until SC on 2/27, so it's moot until then.

There could be a lot fewer Republican candidates on the ballot by then, so fewer places for the "protest" votes within the party to go. Personally, I can see a lot of the Rand Paul voters (4.5% of a large Republican turnout in Iowa) considering Sanders over Trump/Cruz/Carson/Rubio.

[jham123]

15. Really?

You guys really think that Pubs (who turned out in records on Monday) are going to waste their vote with their three way tie going on??

You guys really think that with the Dem party split 50/50 right now that 'anyone' is going to waste their vote going over to the Pub side??

Just think for a moment this thread....no...really think it out .....No one is going to Cede their chance to support who they really care about this time around.

[thesquanderer]

20. I suspect there are Republicans who don't like any of their choices.

They are potential crossover voters. (Not in NH, as I explained in post #13, but elsewhere.)

[jham123]

28. again

"Record" numbers from Monday night??

Sorry, if there were any substantial amount of disenfranchised Pubs, their numbers would be LOWER in turn out, not record highs shattering even then predicted 50% increase....they had almost 80% increase Monday night.

I'd like to believe you, I just don't this time.

[AtomicKitten]

18. Crafting a new excuse in case she loses?

[artislife]

21. They are building a workshop! nt

[AtomicKitten]

38. they are busy busy bees

talking about everything except the issues

[BlueCaliDem]

27. She can afford to lose New Hampshire. Bernie can't.

The math favors her, not him. He loses in New Hampshire or just wins by a hair, his campaign is over.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Is that like a rule or a commandment? Missed it in my catechism class in 2nd grade.

Check out LBN. There's a thread discussing the "irregularities" in the Iowa caucuses and the results are tipping in Bernie's favor. That means he may have actually won although Hillary already stole the bragging rights. It's just a couple of delegates though so no sweat. Bernie is well-funded, has the momentum, and can sustain a loss. So I don't know where you got your officious declaration of how it is but that dog don't hunt. Next.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. It's math. Didn't get that in 2nd grade?

*edited for spelling

[AtomicKitten]

34. Okay then. They're in a virtual tie nationally and he's double digits up in New Hampshire.

Your point?

[artislife]

40. He is counting his chickens before they hatch.

They don't remember the shifting of the polls (hee) that happened in 2008. They don't remember she is and has always been the candidate that defeated her.

All you need to do is run a decent opposing candidate against her and voila'.

[AtomicKitten]

43. I see. They're building a chicken coop.

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Virtual tie nationally?? That's it?? Bwaahahahaha! You're real funny, AK.

Primaries are won State by State. Check those numbers - State-by-State.

Bernie NEEDS to win New Hampshire BIG in order to put some legitimacy behind his candidacy. Hillary needs no such thing, and that will become evident to all the Berners once the elections move out of Bernie's backyard.

And I hope you're not putting all those Berner eggs on New Hampshire as some sign he'll have a chance. New Hampshire hasn't chosen a Democratic nominee that went on to be president since 1980! They have a horrible track record.

Iowa, on the other hand, has a much better track record - and Hillary won there.

Those are my points.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Oh dear. The polls are being mean to Hillary.

[BlueCaliDem]

45. Don't tell me! Those "irregularities" are being propagated by - Bernie supporters.

"

[AtomicKitten]

47. Pesky facts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1338838

[BlueCaliDem]

52. More like wishful thinking born out of a very, very bad case of sore-loserism.

[AtomicKitten]

57. Democrats traditionally support open and fair elections. Clinton fans apparently disagree.

[Beacool]

37. Nope, I think that Sanders will win NH.

[AtomicKitten]

41. He's up by double digits, not a guaranteed win but a comfortable spot to be in.

Hillary gladly accepted votes from Operation Chaos and disqualified states in 2008, so I don't think anyone in the Clintonsphere is in any position to try to minimize and marginalize a win if Bernie takes it. That's poor sportsmanship and that sort of thing really irks me to no end.

[morningfog]

22. Butt hurt 5 days before the polls even open. Lol.

[NurseJackie]

23. They'll vote once now ... but not again in November.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. I know debbie wasserman schultz has a bunch of them, like sheldon adelson, on speed dial

Maybe she can ask.

[BlueCaliDem]

26. Good thing New Hampshire is inconsequential since they haven't chosen a Dem candidate for president

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who actually became president since 1980 1976!

[morningfog]

48. They really screw the pooch with their 2008 choice.

[BlueCaliDem]

49. And do you think they'll do any different this time around?

[morningfog]

50. It is really astounding who they choose in '08.

They shouldn't be trusted with an early influential primary.

[BlueCaliDem]

51. Yeah, but that's ancient history, isn't it? And like I said, they're inconsequential

and I agree with you - they shouldn't be trusted with an early primary. California would've been a better choice.

[morningfog]

53. The NH voters must be idiots to trust their '08 choice.

What a dumb state. They go for the worst of the worst, historically. Ancient historically.

[BlueCaliDem]

54. And they're set to do the same thing now. I guess you can call that "integrity", too, eh?

[KelleyKramer]

58. Umm, Bill Clinton in 1992 ...

I think Clinton won NH in 1992, iirc that's when he got the nickname the come back kid.

And in 1980 the Democrats lost the White House to Reagan.

[BlueCaliDem]

59. Bill Clinton lost both Iowa and New Hampshire in 1992, and still went on to become president.

He won New Hampshire in 1996 as an incumbent, and that's when he got the nickname the Comeback Kid.

And in 1980 the Democrats lost the White House to Reagan.

You're correct. It wasn't 1980 but 1976. I made the correction. So it was four years earlier.

[Bernin4U]

46. Things we do know

1. No Repub will vote for Hillary.

2. Repubs will show in record numbers to vote AGAINST Hillary.

3. Repubs (some, maybe not many) and many I's will willingly vote for Bernie over any of the GOP.

4. Hillary will not bring out the vote (especially the younger crowd, which are needed for a Dem to win) like Bernie does.

5. It's unknow if Hillary supporters will vote for Bernie, as they seem to think refusing to accept him as a possibility somehow lowers his chances in the primary.

[wendylaroux]

55. why would they vote for HRC?

Bernie is the one beating all of them in the polls.