Politifact: Bernie is running false ads in New Hampshire

[Cali_Democrat]

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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has been searching for high-profile newspaper endorsements in the New Hampshire primary.

His main rival, Hillary Clinton, has been officially backed by the Concord Monitor, Portsmouth Herald, Keene Sentinel and the Boston Globe.

But a campaign ad titled "Endorsed," might have given people a different impression.

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Our ruling

A Bernie Sanders political ad said he had been endorsed by the Valley News newspaper and implied he had been endorsed by The Telegraph of Nashua. While each paper published laudatory editorials about the Vermont senator, neither one has so far offered him an official endorsement.

In the context of an ad titled "Endorsed," full of unions and other organizations that have in fact endorsed Sanders, the spotlighting of quotes from New Hampshire newspapers would suggest that the papers had made the same decision. The campaign’s decision to alter the ad improves its technical accuracy, but the misleading impression remains.

We rate the ad’s claim False.

http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2016/feb/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-ad-claims-endorsements-valley-news-/

[dogman]

1. So you skipped the debate last night?

This was addressed.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Politifact addresses that as well

Glad you asked:

Bernie Sanders mistaken about whether his campaign's ad had cited a nonexistent endorsement

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow pressed Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders about a few controversies surrounding his staff during the Feb. 4, 2016, New Hampshire presidential debate.

One that had emerged in the previous 24 hours concerned an ad Sanders’ campaign had run in advance of the New Hampshire primary.

Maddow asked Sanders about the Nashua Telegraph complaining recently "that you falsely implied in an advertisement that they had endorsed you when they did not."

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Our ruling

In the debate, Sanders said one of his campaign ads "never said ... a newspaper endorsed us that did not."

Sanders is glossing over the initial version of his campaign ad. It originally included text that said Sanders had been "endorsed" by the Valley News, a word that was later removed after it became clear that the newspaper had made no such endorsement.

We rate Sanders’ claim in the debate False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-mistaken-about-whether-his-campaign/

[dogman]

10. If the initial version was corrected, he may have felt it had been addressed.

They feel his explanation was "glossing over" which they must therefore find False. They state: "Up to that point in the 30-second ad, every logo for an organization or publication has been accompanied by the words 'endorsed by.' Those words disappear when the Telegraph’s logo appears, along with the quote: 'He’s not beholden to Wall Street Money.' I don't see the gloss. Maddow did not ask him about the Valley News. Just more nothing about nothing.

[Lucinda]

7. They also rated his debate claim as false too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-mistaken-about-whether-his-campaign/

[kristopher]

13. 6/9/2014 Rachael Maddow: PolitiFact fails again

PolitiFact fails again (Destroy!)
Rachel Maddow explains how PolitiFact botched yet another so-called fact-checking of a recent TRMS segment, and laments the poor job PolitiFact does checking facts when the news business and the internet especially has such a need for that service.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/politifact-fails-again-destroy-277552195924

[Lucinda]

22. Editing to finish reading all four linkys

Last edited Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:22 PM - Edit history (1)

[kristopher]

14. 5/8/2-13 Rachel Maddow pans PolitiFact, again

Rachel Maddow, again, is taking issue with the Truth-O-Meter. That’s the gimmicky device that the well-known fact-checking outfit PolitiFact uses to sum up its investigations into whether this-or-that public statement aligns with the facts. Over time, Maddow has made clear just what she thinks of the Truth-O-Meter.

Maddow’s slams on PolitiFact by now have taken on a familiar contour: She establishes the truth or fiction of a statement that PolitiFact is checking out. Then she directs viewers to the Truth-O-Meter ruling. And then she laughs at PolitiFact, concluding with some apocalyptic denunciation....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/05/08/rachel-maddow-pans-politifact-again/

[kristopher]

16. 5/8/2013 Rachel Maddow To Politifact: 'You Are Terrible' And Someone Should 'Sue You'

Rachel Maddow To Politifact: 'You Are Terrible' And Someone Should 'Sue You'

..."This is why the very important concept of fact-checking has become pointless at a time in our country when we really need it to mean something," Maddow said. "Because Politifact exists and has branded themselves as the generic arbiter of fact, and the paragon of fact-checking, and they are terrible at it! They are terrible!"...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/rachel-maddow-politifact-terrible-sue-you_n_3236893.html

[kristopher]

18. 9/25/14 Maddow: A Salute to the Enduring Terribleness of Politifact/Punditfact

A Salute to the Enduring Terribleness of Politifact/Punditfact
09/25/14 07:43 PM—UPDATED 09/25/14 07:56 PM
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By Rachel Maddow
Yesterday, I got a note from the folks at Punditfact, an outgrowth of a thing called “Politifact,” which markets itself as a civic-minded fact-checking operation, but it’s not. Fact-checking is a crucially important part of civic discourse and therefore citizenship, so I’ve long felt that it’s a real shanda that the outfit that markets itself so aggressively as the brand-name provider of fact-checking, is in fact not doing that at all. We need good fact-checking in this country, but we do not need these guys. As the outfit persists, and indeed metastasizes, I worry that they’re giving a bad name to the whole otherwise-noble enterprise of checking facts....
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/salute-the-enduring-terribleness-politifactpunditfact

[MADem]

2. If anyone wants to know where their "Bernie" money is going, it's to

ad buys in the Boston market (one of the most expensive in the nation).

If I see that awful Simon and Garfunkle ad one more time...! He's over-saturating with that one. He has a few others where he lectures the camera, too.

Can't wait for NH to finish--I'm sick of the ads.

[Dawson Leery]

32. That is one of the worst ads ever.

That America never existed. It it time for progressives to be honest about the post war era. White males were the main benefactors of the economy, which in turn existed as America was the 60% of the world's economy after WWII.

[MADem]

33. I find it cloying and noxious.

It doesn't look representative to me, and it doesn't sound representative either.

More to the point, if someone is still looking for America after 33 years in public office, there's a problem. Not with America, but with the person looking.

It's not quite GWB looking for WMD under his desk, but it's just a lame, sorry thing, like everyone else sat on their ass and Only This Anointed One can help us find this Magical America where Simon and Garfunkle will never shut up and you have to play Where's Waldo to find the "ethnic" people.

I think Obama's ACA is where America is at. I think the Lily Ledbetter Act is where America is at. No need to go looking, it's possible to find America simply by opening one's eyes.

I think the constant negativity, and victimizing, and infantalizing of citizens who are portrayed as passive pawns with no voice is just lame as hell. You don't need a search party to look for America--all you need to do is open your eyes and get engaged.

[Kentonio]

35. That would explain why it's been viewed 3 million times on Youtube..

[stonecutter357]

4. K&R!

[Perogie]

5. The article makes it clear

that the words endorsed by were removed during the appropriate parts.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. The article makes clear

his claim was false.

[tokenlib]

17. Only if you agree with Politifact's interpretation...

..and they have been wrong before...

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Translation: They're wrong when they're critical of Bernie. nt

[MADem]

34. Republicans get annoyed with them, but Democrats tend to like their assessments.

I find them pretty much right on the money.

[kristopher]

25. 5/11/2012 Rachel Maddow: Politifact 'A Zombie Eating Our National Brains'

...Rachel Maddow took on her arch-nemesis Politifact again on Thursday, begging the fact-checking organization to "go away" after what she saw as another egregious misstep.

Maddow has previously called Politifact a "disaster" and an "embarrassment" after the group, which rates the statements of politicans on a "Truth-O-Meter," issued rulings she found highly off-base.

In a previous show, Maddow had called Politifact "dead." On Thursday, though, she said that it "lives, after death, like a zombie, eating our national brains."

The target of Maddow's ire this time was a ruling by Politifact about an anti-abortion group's claim that the White House was screening unborn babies as part of its security process...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/rachel-maddow-politifact-zombies_n_1508860.html

[Cali_Democrat]

26. How about factcheck.org?

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/sanders-deceptive-endorsement-ad/

[kristopher]

28. It's a tempest in a teapot.

The level to which Hillary's campaign is going to smear Sanders is not escaping notice. I can't speak for others, but in the steady drumbeat of this type of attack on someone of unimpeachable integrity all I see is a desperate campaign by a dishonest politician whose back is against a wall.

[stonecutter357]

6. We rate Sanders’ claim in the debate False.

[Live and Learn]

9. LBN: Hillary supporters post false headlines on DU. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

11. "We rate the ad’s claim False."

[Live and Learn]

12. I rate your Headline as false. nt

[Nanjeanne]

15. If you've seen the Ad you know the word ENDORSED appears only for actual endorsements

Calling the ad ENDORSED when you make media buys - does not mean in any way shape or form that someone watching the ad on TV knows that the title of the ad buy is ENDORSED. They only see the ad. Which, if you see it, makes perfectly clear what are endorsements and what are citations that are perfectly true and were said by the entities in discussion.

So much ado about nothing - sometimes I feel like when I watch this kind of stuff - I'm watching Pigpen with a cloud of dust around his head.

[Bill USA]

19. you are obviously a hateful evil person for pointing this out, & the same goes for Politifact too!!!

[kristopher]

20. 6/10/2014 Rachel Maddow: "a modern plague in the news business in this country"

Totally Clueless "PolitiFact" FAILS on Facts Again! Aargh!

[SidDithers]

21. DU rec...nt

Sid

[NurseJackie]

24. Not surprising. (It smells desperate to me.)

[tecelote]

27. Surging in the polls proves it is not desperation.

"Smells like desperation to me" Ha! Stealing our talking points!

[6chars]

29. There seems to be a concerted effort to brand Sanders a liar

Wonder why people would choose that particular meme to try to brand Sanders.

Call him impractical? plausibly. Call him too progressive? plausibly. Call him not quite so young? Ok. But lying? That's not his thing. It doesn't make any sense, but I have been seeing that particular word thrown around a lot the last week or two.

[SDJay]

30. Because

Racist
Sexist
Dirty atheist

didn't work.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. The "Bernocio" image is appropriate. nt