Sanders Rallies Take a Darker Turn

[firebrand80]

The Vermont senator's hardcore supporters have turned up the vitriol against Clinton.

By GABRIEL DEBENEDETTI 02/05/16 02:44 PM EST
DURHAM, N.H. — The boos are getting louder. The chants are getting more personal. The shouts from the crowd are getting more frequent.

Top Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton have noticed the disdain that some of Bernie Sanders’ most hardcore backers have toward her, and are beginning to worry about what it’s going to take to bring them into the fold in November, when they assume Clinton will be the party nominee.

Some of Clinton’s most prominent supporters and fundraisers were unsettled by chants of ‘she’s a liar’ by Sanders supporters Monday at his caucus night rally in Des Moines and the loud booing that ensued when Clinton was shown on the large screens at the front of the room – a reaction that appeared to prompt the nervous Sanders staff into turning off the televisions.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-rallies-dark-tone-218817#ixzz3zKqHSmjC

My thoughts:

1. This should come as no surprise to people on this board.

2. I'm sure some people here think she deserves all this ridicule and more. Every single day I see people posting things like "She makes me sick to my stomach" or other things to that effect.

2. I don't blame this on Bernie, I don't think it's his attention to direct any vitriol at Hillary. I do think his campaign needs to get a handle on this before it gets out of control.

[leftofcool]

1. I think the Sanders campaign is trying really hard to tackle this problem.

[firebrand80]

4. How so?

[billhicks76]

230. Will Jeb Endorse Hillary?

She support each other constantly.

[FloridaBlues]

276. Got some proof on that? Links ..written articles..

[billhicks76]

281. It Was A Joke lol

But based on other truths. Namely that they are beyond intimate family friends and more to the point they have both publicly stated that they want the other as the opposing nominee because of "shared values". Hillary has done whatever she could to help rehabilitate the disgraced and discredited Bush name. They are both Wall St buddies and alway talked as if the other was already the assume nominee. Republicans couldnt go there though as the Bush name was dirt. Hillary talked better about it than republican allies. It's taking a little longer for national Democrats to purge their own cancer but it's obviously happening as we speak.

[Aerows]

293. Citation needed

Unfortunately, we allowed Bernie to run under the Democrat label, but the illiberals are the same personality type who supported Mao's and Stalin's revolutions.

Did you just state that Bernie Sanders and his supporters are akin to Mao and Stalin supporters, replete with the atrocities that Mao and Stalin committed!?

Are you *seriously* insinuating that Bernie Sanders is going to commit mass murder if elected, and that Bernie Sanders supporters will go along with that?

Really, Hortensis?

[Armstead]

2. They ought to have a TV sweries "The ATTACK of The Sanders Supporters!"

oooooooooooooooooooo, ooooooooooooooooooooooo such scary awful people.

Almost as bad as those awful hordes who suppoed Obama in 2008.

[beam me up scottie]

40. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, IT'S THE ATTACK OF THE PURPLE GINGHAM ROBED BERNIE BROS!

They're getting desperate for smears and since Bernie is clean they go after his supporters.

[mhatrw]

116. Clinton and her supporters are ever persecuted and always victims.

Clinton and her surrogates constantly attack by and/or while playing the victim card. Doesn't your bleeding heart bleed for poor, poor disempowered Hillary? Because some mean old Sanders supporters called a liar a liar?

Anybody who has the gall to publicly express her or his political disagreement with Clinton or her supporters is by definition mean-spirited, racist and sexist. That's the only consistent line of attack Clinton and her supporters have and they are sure sticking with it.

[roguevalley]

119. I half expect an epidemic of stigmata on that side soon

[A Simple Game]

169. Hillary flourishes when she can play the victim. It's what she thrives on. n/t

[Voice for Peace]

251. ^ this

poor me

[FloridaBlues]

277. No it's the attack of the establishments!

[MrMickeysMom]

232. I'm awfully damned sure of this, too...

I don't know WHO "they" think is being dark here.

Yes, I go on telling people on DU how much she talked and talked. Yes, the video (suppressed as it was in the MSM) of her being boo'd was featured here, and LET'S FACE IT... She and minions have been on a mission to lie and smear, while holding a mirror up to their own two faces to project it onto Sanders....

Who, all the while, is the consummate debater with respect for others that is NOT mutually returned.

So, who's left to target, but the Sanders supporters. I think -

1) They are few who are outright "nasty"

2) They pale in comparison to what passes as Clinton supporters

3) Get a fucking life, and start paying attention to the issues, MSM and turd way.

[FloridaBlues]

278. We rest our case with your comments

[MrMickeysMom]

283. Nice to hear from ya...

"we"!

[virtualobserver]

3. This is Hillary's fault. live with it.

[firebrand80]

6. She was asking for it nt

[virtualobserver]

17. We are tired of Democrats who do not "fight for us"

[earthside]

59. People are hurting. We need someone to fight for us.

I think this reality completely escapes Hillary Clinton and many of her supporters.

Working and middle class Americans haven't had a raise since before the Great Recession; health care premiums and deductibles keep going up and up; we can't afford to send our kids to college; we can barely afford the rising fees for our public school kids; local and state taxes keep going up -- we are in trouble!

And "first woman President" doesn't cut it as a solution to our pain.

And while we are sinking, knowing that Bill and Hillary are worth around $135 million and Chelsea lives in a $10 million apartment and Hillary gets over $600,000 for a couple speeches to Goldman Sachs doesn't make us feel all warm and fuzzy and want to sing kumbaya with her.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the Sanders supporters are as gracious as they are towards Hillary.

[Beacool]

80. Yeah, because the man who has been giving basically the same speech since the 70s

to little or no effect is going to make magic happen through a "political revolution".

I wonder in what bubble do some people live in.

[Fawke Em]

83. You mean the man the media hasn't heard for years?

Yeah... this generation is ready to listen to him now and has the means outside of the M$M to hear him. He is and has been correct for 40 years.

Hindsight is 20/20 and people are waking up to that.

The bubble you're in is your own.

[Beacool]

86. I don't doubt his sincerity.

What I think is pie in the sky is his response to any question regarding how does he expect to accomplish his agenda. He usually responds that a political revolution will be needed. That's just unrealistic nonsense.

[Duval]

106. Well, I have two 22 year old college educated grandkids who would beg to differ.

They and their friends are for Bernie.

[kjones]

133. I remember when the Tea Party blew up, and suddenly, all the edgy kids were on board.

Kids are naturally drawn to perceive fringe politics. I remember back in my
first year of undergrad,when Obama was first running, how the rallying cry
was "Obama's gonna pay for my college!" It sells pretty well.

I lived/attended school in the midwest, so, it was much easier for kids to
latch on the to the Tea Party/Libertarians or Obama...whoever was seen
as the fringiest or most novel at the time. Of course, this was also before
the insanity of the TP was obvious to average joes as well.

[tblue37]

227. And the Tea Party has taken over the GOP and forced it to dance to their tune!

The problem with Democratic voters and liberal voters (not always the same thing) is that they tend not to be as intense or as relentless about pushing their agenda as GOP/RW voters are. RWers vote in every election, not just every 4 years for president. And if an elected Republican official doesn't do their bidding, they go after him/her ruthlessly; furthermore, their politicians know they will take them down if they don't "behave." Meanwhile, Dem politicians know that we have nowhere else to go, because the GOP candidates are batguano crazy and we are terrified of them and their agenda, so "our" politicians dance only to the tune of the their deep pocket donors, cynically ignoring what we, their base voters, want them to do.

Obviously, the Tea Party rank and file voters are being manipulated to vote against their own interests by wealthy and powerful jerks like the Kochs, Adelson, and (before he died) Richard Mellon Scaife, but at least those voters can be counted on to vote, even if they have to hold their noses to vote for a McCain or a Romney when they really want a Trump or a Cruz, so their politicians are too scared to defy their base, no matter how unreasonable their demands (which are, of course, mostly the demands of the wealthy puppet masters). The GOP politicians know those wealthy puppet masters can easily primary them and get the Tea Party base to vote them out of their cushy political sinecures, no matter how untouchable the politicians might imagine themselves to be. (Look at what happened to Eric Cantor, who was the third most powerful GOP representative at the time he was booted out of office by a completely unknown and inexperienced Tea Party candidate.)

Unfortunately, the risk we always take on the Dem side is that our enthused base will get bored and distracted and fade away between presidential elections, thinking that having helped a good progressive get into office, their work is done until the next presidential election. (And of course our cynical party leaders encourage such disengagement once they have gotten into office.) Then, when our guy can't get much done because we didn't give him a progressive House and Senate to work with, the sort of voters who were drawn into politics by the excitement of an Obama or a Sanders become disenchanted with the office holder they once adored and not only turn against him, but also turn cynical and decide to drop out of the political process, thus depriving our side of the votes we need to keep pushing progress toward our goals.

Part of the problem, of course, is that liberal deep pockets and power brokers don't play the long game the way the oligarchic right wing does. During the postwar period, when the US was guided by a strong liberal FDR consensus, the right wing players didn't give up or go home. Instead, they started buying up media outlets to create the radio and TV propaganda machines that have radicalized so many Americans. They also established think tanks and handsomely subsidized RW "intellectuals" to produce an endless stream of biased "research," books, and policy papers. Then, when TV's 24/7 news cycle needed "experts" and pundits, they had an endless supply of media ready mouthpieces to spout their party line. The ordinary American at home listens to these smooth talking "experts" and assumes that since they are on TV and not identified as biased propagandists, they must be credible information sources. Besides, the media outlets are controlled by corporations and wealthy individuals, so of course they prefer to showcase RW pundits and "experts." The fact that so many have been subsidized by the RW system means that there is an enormous pool of such speakers to draw from.

Notice that despite their love of money, the RW moneybags don't fret too much if their propaganda outlets don't turn a profit, or even if they bleed money. They just keep on subsidizing them, because their main purpose is to "catapult the propaganda." We don't have anything like that on our side! Even when an attempt is made to broadcast progressive opinion, those outlets are quickly shut down when they prove unprofitable, because our deep pocket sympathizers won't accept that sort of financial loss (or wait that long for political results) just to build up a left wing media empire in order to push a progressive agenda.

Furthermore, the GOP runs a candidate for every open seat at every level, from local school boards, county clerks, and city commissions, to state legislatures and state boards of education. Thus they get their people into the pipeline, building up mutual support/back scratching networks, as well as making sure that their politicians get training and experience at the local level so that they not only build name recognition (and that favor network), but also learn how to present themselves politically before being pushed out onto the national stage. Because the Democratic leadership doesn't even recruit or support candidates for most of those offices, a lot of Republicans run completely unopposed all over the country! Even worse, when the Dem establishment does recruit and support candidates, they are all too often either Republicans who have just switched parties temporarily for a chance at an office, or they are blue dog Dems who are just as conservative as most Republicans, if not more so!

Notice how successful Dean's 50-state strategy was in getting Dems elected across the board--and how quickly the party dropped it as soon as that election cycle was over! Even worse, though, is that even as Dean's approach was getting more Dems elected, the entrenched Dem powers were making sure that a lot of those Dems were either conservative blue dogs or temporarily repurposed, relabeled Republicans. With the fierce backlash against the CheneyBush administration's wars and economic disaster, we had a golden moment there when we probably could have gotten a lot of progressive Dems elected. Unfortunately, TPTB--people like DWS and Rahm Emanuel--worked hard to block progressive Dem candidates and to substitute blue dogs, relabeled Republicans, and other such DINOs.

But if we could get the progressive base to push as hard as the Tea Party GOP base does and to stick with the job the way the Tea Party does, we actually would have a chance to roll back some of the damage the GOP has done. Unfortunately, our party leadership doesn't trust these enthusiastic new voters. They want the newbies' votes, but after they get those votes, they want the enthusiastic base to shut up and leave them alone to pursue policies that feather their own nests and please their wealthy owners.

[JudyM]

258. Great synthesis of issues. We absolutely need our base to push as hard as the tea party does.

This deserves its own thread.

We need our base to stay fired up and engage in local politics; to make this happen we need leadership. If Bernie doesn't get the nom, I hope he is planning to continue in that role in some way. I can't see how he can return to the Senate without continuing to lead the movement he coalesced. Clearly he won't get the DNC leadership post so what other channels are available to him?

The moneyed puppeteers are probably mulling this over, since the outpouring from Bernie's supporters represents $ opportunity.

[CrispyQ]

259. An excellent post.

I've felt for years that the dems neglect local politics. They were stupid to get rid of Dean's 50 state strategy. And their refusal to see or do anything about right wing hate radio is stunning. Why is it "No we can't" when it comes to health care for The People, but it's "Yes we can" when it comes to military budget & war & bailouts for the crooked banksters? The dems are on the same gravy train as the repubs, they just throw The People a few more crumbs, but they aren't working to change anything.

If HRC is our candidate the right will be out in droves to vote against her. I think long time dems who always vote will still vote for HRC, but the new voters who came into politics because of Bernie? I don't think the party can count on them going to the polls. She's not the shoe-in winner leadership thinks she is.

[tblue37]

262. And if they do go to the polls (which they *will* for Bernie but mostly NOT for HRC),

they will probably also do as Bernie always begs them to do and vote for Dems in downticket races to help him get things working again. That's why I think he will do more than she will for downticket Dem candidates.

[Aerows]

289. Outstanding summation of our party's challenges

I concur with JudyM - this should be an OP.

[tblue37]

290. I'll "look into it.". nt

[Aerows]

291. . . .

Where may I send your internets, because you have won them today!

[tblue37]

292. Why, thank you. When I am at my desk rather than on a 7" Nook I will OP

the post, as a number of people have suggested in PMs.

[mhatrw]

126. Tell that to Thomas Paine, Susan B Anthony, and MLK.

The 1%'s "unrealistic nonsense" is the rest of USA's most fervent wish.

[tex-wyo-dem]

141. Yeah, you're right, the whole power to the people thing...

Is such bullshit.

Such "unrealistic nonsense".

[Perogie]

163. I doubt Hillary's sincerity. Guess we're at an impasse

[elljay]

218. How will Hillary Get Anything Done?

I agree that it will be difficult to get Bernie's agenda past the Republican Congress. Do you seriously think that they will respond any better to the woman they accuse of murdering Vince Foster, burying bodies in the White House lawn, intentionally causing the Benghazi deaths, committing any number of financial and other crimes and lord knows what other crap they make up? They LOATHE Hillary and it matters not how competent or knowledgeable she is. The only thing that will work is if we get enough voters to actually show up and throw out the Republican obstructionists and Bernie is the candidate energizing the people, not HRC.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

222. ^^THIS^^ n/t

[Voice for Peace]

252. Listen more carefully and give it some thought.

Sincerely, try to understand what he's talking about instead of dissing it. We're neither dumb nor gullible, and Bernie isn't talking about pie.

This country will fail if corruption is allowed to continue flourishing. The change needed RIGHT NOW is not incremental compromise.

[earthside]

88. The 'bubble' of hope ...

... of change; of Yes! We can!

Why are Hillarians so cynical and negative and seemingly so oblivious to what is going on for so many Americans still in real financial distress?

For myself, I'm getting over some of the anger i've had towards Hillary supporters and their seeming indifference towards those that are hurting and I'm starting to feel more and more sorry for them. I guess you're committed and stuck with her.

I'm excited that the Sanders political phenomenon is revitalizing what it means to be a dedicated New Deal-type progressive. If Sen. Sanders gets the nomination, we really might save the nation from the one percenters (like Bill and Hillary Clinton), the bankers, the elitists, and the corporatists. It won't happen by magic -- it will happen because we work hard to change politics and government.

[Beacool]

176. Because we don't see a path for him to pass his agenda.

No one on our side, whether a Hillary or Sanders supporter, is indifferent to people's suffering. Heck, some of Hillary's supporters are those who are also disenfranchised. Sanders doesn't hold the monopoly in that respect. Where we don't agree is in his belief that his very Leftist agenda has a chance to be achieved. Does anyone here seriously think that he could get much through Congress? I also don't believe that much would change if he were to be elected president. He reminds me of Carter, a one term president. Decent man, but dogmatic and not prone to compromise. Enter Reagan.....

[zeemike]

190. But you do see a path to pass her agenda?

Which means then that her agenda is much different than his and more agreeable with the right wing.
So we are to vote for an agenda agreeable to the right?

Well I see a path for his agenda and it is not complicated one and not one that has not been used before...and here it is.

He purposes an agenda to the congress and if they say now, he goes to the people ans tells them if they want this done send him a congress that will say yes...there after all are elections every 2 years and he makes them run on HIS agenda or against it.
It's not rocket science.

[Beacool]

193. Yes, I do.

Because her agenda is more modest and more pragmatic. I think that he and his supporters are assuming too much. What makes you think that the majority of Americans will support his agenda?

[zeemike]

199. well the polls say they do.

And people are sick and tired of the so called moderate pragmatic agenda. They want change...that is why they elected Obama and rejected Clinton the first time.
But Obama did not perform and instead we were told it was too hard...and now we are told to just give up on hope and change and go back to what was rejected before.
That is not a winning strategy.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

223. They already do support his agenda.

Check the polls, his platform is mainstream. Both parties have been to the right of the mainstream for two decades.

[1939]

257. Carter had a Demcratic House and Senate

and couldn't get much passed. He just didn't seem to be able to schmooze and work the process. Reagan pushed more of his legislation through a Democratic House than did Carter. Carter has been exemplary in his post-presidential life. Carter, Hoover, and John Quincy Adams probably served the country more in their post-presidencies than they did in their single terms of office.

[Fawke Em]

20. Uh, stop trying to frame it in a rape culture. It's nothing of the sort.

She brought disdain on herself by supporting policies that hurt average Americans. It's not the same as the idiotic meme about how a woman's dressed or where she is.

[onecaliberal]

45. ^^That^^

[beam me up scottie]

66. Thank you, this is a disgusting tactic.

[pa28]

130. It's a deliberate tactic to provoke an angry response and then point to the response.

It's greasy and it's only going to get greasier as Bernie moves into the lead.

[Fawke Em]

200. And women who support him need to be aware of it.

I like Susan Sarandon's response: I don't vote with my vagina. I vote for what is best for my whole body and, I'm sorry, but Hillary isn't it (and neither is any Republican).

We have to push back on this type of victim-framing.

[Hiraeth]

154. ^^^ Please consider making this comment an OP. Thank you ^^^

[Jack Rabbit]

185. Thank you for pointing that out

Even at 64, I might be a bit naive or literal minded, but it didn't occur to me that's what he was trying to do. Now it makes sense.

Of course, no rape victim asks for it. Hillary has earned our scorn over the reasons you point out. I, for one, have as much scorn for Robert Rubin and the misogynist Larry Summers for reasons not related to his misogyny, but for the same reason I have scorn for Mrs. Clinton. Being a rape victim one thing; being the willing stooge of the oligarchy is quite another. Rape and a commitment to economic justice don't have anything in common.

[Doctor_J]

186. Hillary is the perpetual victim

She decided decades ago to be the first female president, and I guess didn't realize that her life among the beltway elites would be an issue.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Ugh. Uncalled for.

[mhatrw]

122. Yet another case in point.

Clinton and her supporters are ever persecuted and always victims.

linton and her surrogates constantly attack by and/or while playing the victim card. Doesn't your bleeding heart bleed for poor, poor disempowered Hillary? I mean, how could it not? Some mean old Sanders supporters called a liar a liar!

Anybody who has the gall to publicly express her or his political disagreement with Clinton or her supporters is by definition mean-spirited, racist and sexist. That's the only consistent line of attack Clinton and her supporters have and they are sure sticking with it.

[thucythucy]

254. "She was asking for it."

Wow. Just wow.

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I think the vitriol from some of the Bernie camp goes way too far.

"She was asking for it."

A statement sure to resonate with so many women who've had the same phrase applied in different circumstances. It's just discouraging to see how easily that phrase comes to some people's minds.

[Beacool]

79. You just proved the OP's point.

Deal with it yourself.

[virtualobserver]

85. I am. I am voting for Bernie.

[Jenny_92808]

204. So am I

But if Hillary wins, I will vote for her because the alternative would be a nightmare.

[virtualobserver]

208. I will too. I will however, be depressed.

[Unknown Beatle]

249. Hillary supporters act as though booing is a new phenomenon.

People have been booing politicians for centuries. As a matter of fact, they also threw vegetables and tarred and feathered them.

But Hillary supporters are playing the victim because Bernie supporters are 'mean and ugly because they boo and hiss at Hillary'.

[Enrique]

5. Politico doing it's thing

being the mouthpiece for politicians, in this case "Top Democrats supporting HIllary Clinton", to put out their message as if it were news.

[Mnpaul]

231. Politico takes a lot of money from Goldman Sachs too

gotta promote the GS candiadates

[Mike Nelson]

7. Agree...

...while the reverse is also true, the levels are not equal. Bernie supporters have a group who thoroughly despise Hillary Clinton and will never vote for her... if she wins the nomination and Bernie's support, they would likely think she's blackmailing him or sticking pins in her Bernie voodoo doll!

[hollysmom]

73. I am sorry, but I have seen Clinton supporters on this board and in my syster treat Sanders

supporters as if they were small children who needed to be punished, It works both ways. My sister will be very bitter if Clinton does not win and would rather vote for Trump. I have seen slams on both sides and try to stay out of the fray, but it is hard.
It is so much more fun making fun of republicans than of other democrats.

[Mike Nelson]

91. You are absolutely correct...

...yes, it does occur with mad Clinton supporters... Both sides. I see an imbalance, though. It may just be that there are more Bernie supporters than Hillary supporters on "du" - I see more on one side. Just my point of view.

[hollysmom]

100. You do it more is no excuse -

It is an opinion unless a complete study is being done. I have seen posts that are insulting to the other side when they are complaining about the other side, like the OP.
If one can't keep themselves from doing it, they have no right to complain.

[Mike Nelson]

114. I'm just offering my opinion...

...I know others differ. That's okay. It's only my opinion - that the level on one side is more severe. You have a very valid point, and I agree. I may not see the severity because I don't read every post. I've seen some nasty ones on both sides, yes.

[hollysmom]

120. As do we all,

Sometimes my posting sounds harsher than I mean in my mind. I tend to be ideological in my postings where in Life I am more easy going.

[Mike Nelson]

131. Most posters here are nice...

... turning on CSPAN 1 for Democratic fundraiser!

[Hiraeth]

159. what is this group of which you speak? Please don't say the one here on DU

[billhicks76]

196. Clinton Group Has To Ban Everyone

Just for pointing out the obvious.

[hifiguy]

215. That place, and the group from which most of its members come,

are policed with a vigor and and enthusiasm that would raise the envious hackles of East Germany's Stasi or Ceaucescu's Securitate. Dissent of any sort is promptly exterminated.

[billhicks76]

228. It's Why Clinton Will Be A Loser Again

She is our Jeb Bush. Watch Jeb endorse Hillary lol.

[hifiguy]

248. I've come to think of her as the

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Democrats' Richard Nixon. Which she is in so very many ways.

[billhicks76]

279. She Is Our Nixon An Bush...Nixon's "Experience" And Bushes "Honesty"

[hifiguy]

280. That's about it.

And Nixon's personal integrity/willingness to say or do anything to get the office to which he/she feels so entitled.

[billhicks76]

282. Hubris

Nixon knew what they did to the Kennedys. And in my opinion Bush Sr was involved at some managerial level.

[stonecutter357]

8. K&R!

[reformist2]

9. This won't be a problem if she's not the nominee. Which she won't be.

We'll be nice to her at the convention when she endorses Bernie, though.

[Beacool]

82. Nope, he won't be the nominee.

[The Wielding Truth]

97. She has flaws that I don't see in Sanders, but she a million times better than any Republican.

Too bad we can't have Hillary as VP or Sec of State again.

[Beacool]

182. Hell, no.

Women have taken the back seat for far too long. It's akin to saying that an AA candidate should go to the back of the bus. She will either win the nomination or not, but she will not be again relegated to second place.

[SwampG8r]

225. Sos would be 4th place at best

4th in succession to potus so she never got to 2nd place
2nd in 2008 would be McCain and i. 2012 it would be romney
So not even second place.

[The Wielding Truth]

271. Her pride may take a hit but our country could really use her in some major capacity.

[redstateblues]

253. It's amazing that BSS don't think Bernie has flaws

The things that work for him in the primaries would make him a loser in the GE

[stonecutter357]

10. BernieBro strike again

[oberliner]

11. I like Bernie a lot more than I like his supporters

Every time I hear him speak, I admire the way he focuses on the issues, avoids personal attacks, and expresses a great deal of respect for his opponent.

Among his supporters I generally see no such behavior.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

99. You don't understand our anger. This is getting to be close to life/death for some.

[Nyan]

109. Hillary implies Bernie's sexist. Her supporters cry sexism.

I was accused of sexism on DU because I said I don't think she's gonna be a good commander-in-chief.
It's weird you that have no problem with that kind of behavior.

[Ferd Berfel]

12. What's taken a dark turn here is the desperation come From the right wing

of the democratic party.

[TIME TO PANIC]

38. +1

[pangaia]

41. +2

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. +1000000.

[beam me up scottie]

58. + a brazillion!

[Duval]

115. Agree! eom

[Mnpaul]

238. They seem to love failed policies

why not love failed attack memes as well?

[Ferd Berfel]

250. Problem is that the policies have only FAILED for the 99% of us

For Hillary's Wall Street Base the policies are working great! Makes me wonder WTH people are thinking.

Did you catch the report that Hillary was advertising on Craig's List in New York to pay people to collect signatures to get her on the State ballot? Only 15,000 signatures are needed but Bernies volunteers have already turned in 85,000!

The operative words here are 'paid' vs 'volunteer'. Wonder if this happens anywhere else?

[jeff47]

260. This. (nt)

[thereismore]

13. Passions fly. Politics. nt

[firebrand80]

14. So anything goes?

[thereismore]

15. Jesus, not everything! Being loud is not a problem, IMO. Peaceble assembly and all that. nt

[firebrand80]

23. My point is that in a democratic primary

We shouldn't (within reason) hate our opponents. After all, you might end up voting for that other candidate.

There is a lot of obvious hate toward Hillary, there's no doubt about it. It goes far beyond the standard political back and forth.

[thereismore]

29. I think it goes both ways. You see it here too. I don't like it but not everybody

is a "perfect supporter." Far from it. A lot of us are just jerks, democrats and all.

[jonestonesusa]

62. I agree that the passions run strong

but this indicates how alienated a large swath of the Democratic voting base has become from the national party. Many, including myself, are tired of the clear favoritism demonstrated by the DNC and even the Iowa state Democratic party for one candidate. Many are tired of a pattern where concerns of liberal voters have been dismissed repeatedly by a national party that always says it has to "move to the middle" even if it's a vote on whether or not to go to war.

I don't think that Clinton supporters generally appreciate how alienated left and liberal voters have become as a result of POLICIES pursued by the "third way," for decades. Dems have taken a beating regularly in local and statewide elections for several election cycles now, and yet the national party advocates for the same Republican-lite policies every time. Bail out the banks but not the home owners. Have a health insurance reform package but we've got to make it OK with the insurers. What do they expect from the liberal wing? Shut up, forget your concerns, and support our anointed candidate? That sure seems to be the message.

So, I do see vitriol directed at Clinton and at Sanders too, but political vitriol is the least of our problems. The issues we face as a society are huge. Epic wealth inequality, crumbling infrastructure, global warming, endless war on terror, the military industrial complex sucking up trillions every decade, putting a lot of it in contractor pockets. Clinton is simply unable to even talk about the influence of money in politics - what's a $650,000 check for her, for one speech? Another day in the life of the 1%, but to many of us, that is ten years, twenty years worth of income. She's still better than Rubio and Trump, but that's not much of a standard. We need real action and not half-steppin' if we're really going to make progress, and at least Sanders is calling attention to the deep structural problems that all of us face. At the end of the day, as with Sanders and the BLM protesters - both candidates can expect to hear an earful from time to time, and if they can't take it, the presidency may not be the right office for them.

[mhatrw]

134. Among Clinton supporters and surrogates, the only thing that "goes" is continually characterizing

political disagreements with their chosen candidate as inherently mean-spirited, sexist and racist.

[angrychair]

16. The condescension is deafing

All this "concerning" going on while they continue the "great red hammer and sickle" red-baiting and also doing what I call the "my little pony" campaign strategy...as in "Bernie's agenda is unicorns and fairy dust".
There is also the Republican fear-mongering tactic of "only I can keep you safe from the scary brown men".

So, you will excuse me if their "concern" falls on deaf ears.

[Karma13612]

26. ^^^yup +100 ^^^

[beam me up scottie]

37. Word!

[Cassiopeia]

125. Yep

[840high]

135. .^that

[Mnpaul]

233. I don't mind it

It is a great fundraiser for Bernie and it gets them no where. They keep repeating the tactics that are erasing Hillary's polling lead across the country.

MOAR PANIC PLEASE!!!

[6chars]

18. that's not that dark a turn

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Scary

This has been apparent for some time.

Not all, but some. Very dangerous.

[kath]

234. VERY dangerous! Ooh, Booga booga booga!

[Stand and Fight]

21. It's already out of control.

Many of his supporters here make me have second thoughts about supporting him. They're rude, seemingly incapable of recognizing that we're on the same side with some small differences, and that tearing down one or the other candidate only serves to help the Republicans.

[pangaia]

49. I do not necessarily see it as

"...we're on the same side with some small differences,"

I haven't had anybody on my side in decades.
Now I have one.

And the differences between Bernie and Hillary, despite what their voting records may APPEAR to suggest, are very, very big.

[Maedhros]

121. The differences are not small. They are very significant.

This Primary, we get to vote for the future of the Democratic Party.

Do we want to be a party of the people, or of corporate interests?

[mhatrw]

137. The differences only seem small if you bucking to join the top 1%.

People are often passionate about their political disagreements. That doesn't make make these disagreements inherently mean-spirited, sexist, or racist as Clinton surrogates and supporters would have us believe.

[restorefreedom]

22. when hillarys surrogates stop waving the soviet flag,

and stop suggesting that bernie is a racist misogynist gun nut who wants to take away everyones health care, get back to me.

[firebrand80]

31. There's a big difference

Those are policy and electability arguments. What I see from Sanders supporters (again, not Bernie himself) is that they personally "loath" Hillary (yes, I have seen that word used).

[restorefreedom]

57. redbaiting and impuning the character of someone

with a record of honorable service is not a policy or electability issue. its a hit campaign, and lying about his intent to "tear down obamacare" is still lying, even though it is related to policy. it has no place in a discussion among candidates or their surrogates in the media.

as to anyone loathing anyone, i have seen plenty of people here insult bernie's character and intelligence with no compunction whatsoever. do they have a right to their opinion? of course they do.

but please don't insult our intelligence by suggesting that passionate and even insulting utterances are only coming from one side.

[LonePirate]

76. If you're mad about Hillary's supporters lying about Bernie ...

Then you should also be mad about the lies Bernie's supporters tell about Hillary.

Neither side has a monopoly on the despicable behavior and neither side should be excused for that behavior.

[restorefreedom]

92. please give an example of a lie about hillary from a bernie supporter

so i know what you are talking about.

and i agree...bad behavior is available to everyone..

[beam me up scottie]

65. Oh please, this is what your associates said about Bernie:

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a "red Jew", pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped, that we should abolish pedophilia or rape laws, is a racist, gun nut, draft dodger, scheming little sneak, socialist throwback jackass, drooling sweating old fool, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer, wants guns in the streets, is trying to suppress the black vote, has a nest egg in Israel, is supported by Stormfront and whose supporters are groomed by psychopaths.

Those are all DIRECT quotes and note to the jury: the links can be found in my journal.

[Bernin4U]

77. But... But... Berniebros!

[Oilwellian]

150. Here's a new one you can add

He doesn't believe in God.

[beam me up scottie]

151. Ah the atheist slur, forgot about that one. Have you seen the latest?

They're trying to claim the kibbutz he stayed at was communist.

[Mnpaul]

235. Got love the irony

Bernie supporters are unruly but you get hidden for merely linking to posts on DU. Go figure.

[catnhatnh]

94. You bet your ass I loath her!

A man I perceive as one of the most honorable I've ever seen in DC and your paragon of ethics sends a surrogate out to tie him to a hammer and sickle flag??? I loath her. I despise her. She is a liar and an elitist and in a real revolution she would be on the first tumbrel...

[billhicks76]

201. Recall Her Photo Of Obama In A Turban?

Republicans think he is a Muslim extremist because of it.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

123. Why the fuck does anyone care about what a candidates "supporters" think?

I could give 2 shits what a Hillary supporters says. There is quite a bit of vitriol coming from them, if you didn't notice. If I really wanted to vote for Hillary, it would be completely irrelevant how any of the supporters acted. You have quite the thin skin. And yes, I also loath Hillary. Not as a human being, but as someone that is going to fuck me, my family, my livelihood, and maybe even my health. Same fears I have for republicans only not quite as bad.

[mhatrw]

140. I don't loath Clinton. But I recognize that she is the product of a corrupt system that I loath.

Does that make me mean-spirited, sexist and racist?

[Karma13612]

47. thank you

I just love when people say they won't vote for Bernie because some of his supporters are a bit obnoxious.

There are supporters for both candidates who are insufferable.

That is no reason to lump all supporters under one label, and Never an excuse to not personally support a candidate.

I vote with my head.

Not based on how candidate supporters behave.

[restorefreedom]

54. +100 nt

[frylock]

24. How AWFUL!

Bernie Gets Booed Before Fans Sing HAPPY BDAY

In the space of 2 minutes, Bernie is booed by, what appears to be, supporters from rival campaigns; before being greeted by a throng of hundreds of supporters, who sang HAPPY BIRTHDAY to him. Bernie's birthday is today and this was recorded yesterday at the Milford, NH Labor Day parade.

As for who was doing the "booing" I have no idea (while I shot the footage, I was way to busy framing Bernie as he walked and I walked backwards). But the only people around him were supporters from several campaigns who were lining up for the parade.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

202. In this video, it looked like a small crowd of Hiiary's people booed him.

It seemed to be respectful as he passed other candidates. Then an enormous crowd of supporters welcomed him. He walked through the crown as a true man of the people and the Secret Service's worst nightmare.

Let's keep it kind, at least in public. My father's best advice was to never get in a pissing contest with a skunk. We don't need to and we can do better. Every time you hear a slander, make another small donation.

[frylock]

211. Yes, a group of Hillary supporters booed Bernie as he walked past him.

But Bernie supporters are just evil minions that sacrifice small animals at the foot of our liege.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

213. Only female animals.

[frylock]

214. Well that goes without saying.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. My lack of surprise is only surpassed by my profound disappointment.

The demonization of the other is at the root of most human misery.

[pangaia]

52. The root of most human misery is due to unconsciousness.

[mhatrw]

143. I don't loath Clinton. But I recognize that she is the product of a corrupt system that I loath.

Is my considered opinion on our current corrupt system of government the root of most human misery?

[litlbilly]

206. What did you guys think the response would be with Hillary using people like David Brock?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

224. Please see post 25.

Thank you in advance.

[laruemtt]

27. People generally don't appreciate

being lied to their faces, hence the vitriol towards HRC.

[shenmue]

189. Stay classy

[MsMAC]

28. His campaign staff are out of control!

Rachel asked him about claiming to have been endorsed by some newspaper last night at the debate and he said that advertisement was not meant for TV! What does that mean. I've seen the ad and it clearly says that paper endorsed him but they DIDN'T!

[HooptieWagon]

30. You cheered BLM ambushing Sanders.

Double standard much?

[firebrand80]

33. I did no such thing. Prove it.

[Bobbie Jo]

71. Don't even

What a ridiculous comparison.

Damn right I cheered BLM, and I don't care who they "ambushed."

[last1standing]

265. Then you can pull up your post showing support when they criticized NoHope Hillary, right? Right?

If you can, I'll accept your previous post wholeheartedly.

If you can't, that makes your post rather deceptive and hypocritical.


I'll wait.....

[Bobbie Jo]

267. As a matter of fact I did.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what you accept or not.

I'm not going to run and fetch for you either. If you have a need to know, look it up your damn self.

Wait or don't wait, who cares?

[last1standing]

268. And yet you can't be bothered to look it up. My point is proved.

This exchange has made your earlier post look rather petty and hypocritical because it looks like you made a claim that wasn't true. How sad and shameful.

I can see why you support NoHope Hillary.

[Bobbie Jo]

269. Oh please

It was an asinine comparison.

End of story.

Par for this course...

[last1standing]

270. Still can't back up your claims, I see. How sad and shameful this must be for you.

I know that NoHope Hillary lost her ability to feel shame years ago when pushing to kill all those brown people, but I assume her fans can still feel that emotion.

No?

Or you could simply look through your post history and point out where you actually did support BLM when they called out NoHope Hillary. After all, you made the claim and I'm merely asking you to show it to me so that I can see whether your interpretation of the post is accurate. But now I'm actually starting to wonder if this post exists.

Maybe it's like the bullets flying around NoHope Hillary's head. You know, a lie.

[Bobbie Jo]

272. At this point

You're just creating an opportunity to take petty pot shots.

How appropriate for this thread.

Thanks for the real time demonstration.

In case you missed my response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1158083

[last1standing]

273. I'm afraid it looks like you posted a lie when saying you supported BLM over NoHope Hillary.

Since it appears that you did not actually write a post supporting BLM when they called out NoHope Hillary, it looks like a distinct possibility that you're "support" of that organization is nothing more than an excuse to smear Bernie Sanders and you have no real interest in their message or success.

As I stated before, how sad and shameful.

[mmonk]

32. More unintellectual fodder against us fighting for our lives

and a place to stand.

[treestar]

34. They are really more anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

35. I know everyone loved last night's debate, but the first hour was alarming

Last night I said Bernie and Hillary were behaving like us. I also said, sarcastically, good thing our candidates don't act like the clowns in the other party (paraphrasing).

But, apparently, everyone loved it. I'm listening to the radio today. "The best debate yet. They really went at it!"

The charade is over. Shit's getting real. The two candidates really are as furious as their supporters and it finally showed last night.

Good luck reeling it in.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

50. first half hour, especially, was a real cagematch.

I was watching it saying ooh ooh ooh because it was getting hot and heavy. I think that was when Hillary was booed .

[Peregrine Took]

36. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if they weren't phony provacateurs to make the Bernie people look bad

or,if they are true Bernie supporters, they are probably just angry at her for pouncing on him last night in that uber dramatic way that got her booed and deservedly so. Totally mean spirited and uncalled for.

[cui bono]

42. Totally something Hillary and her supporters would do.

We had a handful of them pretending to be Bernie supporters in here already, and then pretend to shift support to Hillary because Bernie supporters.



.

[magical thyme]

39. round and round we go. it's back to attacking Sanders' supporters again

And Sanders' campaign doesn't tell me what I think or what I can talk about on my own time. When I criticize Clinton's foreign policy experience (Honduras, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and so on) and her track record (3-strikes, NAFTA, TPP and so on) and say I cannot support her because of those, it has nothing to do with Sanders.

I don't speak for Bernie. I speak for myself.

I'm just incredibly grateful to have somebody to vote for, for a change.

[Karma13612]

51. ^^ excellent comment ^^ +10 eom

[cui bono]

70. Exactly. As we've said before, at least they recycle!

.

[Mnpaul]

237. I beginning to look like we are going to be hearing

the same lame attacks over and over again from here on out. Today it seems that the rotation schedule has been stepped up. We now get to hear all of them on a daily basis.

[kath]

44. Well, if she hadn't done so many sickening things, she wouldn't make us sick to our stomachs.

Sorry.

[840high]

138. Agree.

[TIME TO PANIC]

48. More self-victimization from the Hillary camp.

[marlakay]

53. I have changed

I started out saying no way will i vote for H no matter what and after reading a long post from a fellow Bernie supporter on Fb today I agreed with her that we are all willing to end up with a republican to be pure.

So with total holding my nose on voting day if Bernie doesnt make it i will vote for her and tone down my distaste for her.

But that said i volunteer for Bernie all the time and will fight to the end to make it be him.

[whathehell]

55. I'm waiting for the gender slurs..

Then I'll throw up...

[TheProgressive]

56. How do we know its not Clinton operatives doing this?

Just saying...

[Nonhlanhla]

61. Yes, because everything is Hillary's fault, or her people's

Bernie's folks steal data? Somehow Hillary is to blame...

Bernie's campaign/supporters are ugly and aggressive? Must be the Clinton operatives...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

136. LOL!

[seekthetruth]

60. Can Hillary please stop making the case that....

....just because she's a woman that she somehow deserves to be voted into office? I believe during last night's debate she made reference to her gender a few times. It's getting a bit pathetic. Yes, I cool and groovy that we have a woman running for the highest office in the land. But many people just believe she's the WRONG woman for the job. I strongly believe that if it were Elizabeth Warren running against Bernie, then we'd have a much more competitive race.

Basically, who cares if she's a woman at this point?? It's her ideas that do not progress things to where progressives believe they should be.

Plus, I don't think Obama ever focused on his race. It was understood. Hillary, on the other hand, makes it a central selling point, which obviously not making up for her lack of solid ideas.

[840high]

146. .+10

[SpookyDem]

195. this a million times over

[artislife]

63. Let me meet this silly OP with a great big BOOOOO!

Toughen up.

[Agnosticsherbet]

64. His supporters, more than anything he has dones, has convinced me to oppose his nomination...

It reminds me of the 1980 primary, though uglier. My biggest concern for either candidate is that the ugly campaign will make it impossible for either to win.

[mhatrw]

149. Yes, Sanders supporters are evil for having passionate political disagreements with Clinton.

Such disagreements are inherently mean-spirited, sexist, and racist.

Ooooooh, the ugliness of politics! Don't get me started ...

[Agnosticsherbet]

178. I never called them evil... nt

[jeff47]

263. Nah, you just implied it. (nt)

[Agnosticsherbet]

284. I never imply. The accusation that the other side is evil.

Is lazy, because it is a way of saying the other side is utterly without morals, ethics, or anything else, the stupid, lazy claim that they are only motivated by evil.

I leave it to other to resort to false, lazy arguments.

And by bringing it up, it means that you can not refute anything I said.

[jeff47]

285. You always imply. Because it is literally impossible to make statements

without implying meaning. "The sun rises in the East" implies the sun is the thing that's moving.

Your claim is that the "rough" campaign will make it impossible for either candidate to win. You put that in a reply to a claim that the Sanders supporters are being rough. That implies it's the Sanders supporters who are the problem.

The obvious sarcasm of upgrading "rough" to "evil" is obvious.

[Agnosticsherbet]

287. Again, I do not imply, and I do not use evil.

The use of evil is lazy and ignorant. I leave that to others.

Rough campaigns have done just that on more than one occasion in our history. Try a close study of American history.

[Jenny_92808]

207. Your Sarcasm

is spot on. Well said!

[cui bono]

67. If this is actually happening, she brought it on herself.

She has lied about Sanders, she lied in the debate last night about him attacking her. Her supporters have not just one, but TWO websites devoted to spewing hate at him and his supporters, her supporters have tried to smear him with all sorts of isms.

She has surrogates go on NATIONAL TV using the red scare tactic...

Hey, you reap what you sow.

Personally I would rather it didn't happen - if it even is actually happening - but considering the duplicitous, nasty and Rovian campaign Hillary and her surrogates are waging I'm not surprised.

.

[SidDithers]

68. DU rec...nt

Sid

[TBF]

69. Third way = fresh thinking?

You've got to be sh***ing me ...

[Juicy_Bellows]

89. Yep.

Almost impossible to take anyone with that in their signature serious.

And I don't.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

139. Does he/she even know what "third way" means? Pride comes before a fall.

[kristopher]

72. I think it was Andrea Mitchell this AM - Clinton camp has about 16 memes they push...

...trying to find something to stick to Bernie.

Wonder which number this inane crock of BS is?

[Bernin4U]

74. "Top Democrats" should be very concerned

This isn't ending with Berine. This is just the beginning.

[whatchamacallit]

75. They booed her?!?

Those animals!!1! His horrible supporters are the reason this staunch Hillary supporter is supporting Hillary!

[Beacool]

78. They are young, rude and mostly male.

That's how that demographics behaves on the internet. They are just carrying that behavior into the political field. I don't think that the more mature supporters of Sanders are acting in such an adolescent manner.

It was utterly rude when a group of them yelled liar when Hillary's name came up in IA. It reminded me of Obama being called a liar by Joe Wilson. Crass and inappropriate.

[mhatrw]

153. People are having passionate political disagreements during a political campaign. How gauche!

[Odin2005]

162. Yes, how dare we young wippersnappers call Queen Hillary a liar!

[Beacool]

177. Once again proving my point.

Thanks, kid.

[Odin2005]

179. Yeah we get it, you hate us telling truth to power.

[Beacool]

197. No, I don't hate you.

I just shrug the naiveté and gullibility of the very young. Not that I'm a senior citizen either, but I have more life experience than a college kid, which I was once myself.

[Odin2005]

203. Your crass condecension is noted.

I'm 30 years old and I'm not a naive moron. The oldest Millennials are turning 34 this year. We are not "dumb kids".

[Beacool]

239. I never called you, or any other young person, dumb.

I just recall that when I was in my late teens and 20s I would probably have believed in Sanders' utopic ideas, now I know better.

[Odin2005]

245. Scandinavia is a nonexistant utopia, now?

"I would probably have believed in Sanders' utopic ideas, now I know better. "

No, you just rationalized your giving up as "maturity".

[Art_from_Ark]

256. I'm old enough to remember the '60s

(most of them, at least), and I remember the optimism of the Great Society. Bernie's campaign reminds me of that Great Society optimism. I am excited that we finally have a candidate like Bernie!

[Jenny_92808]

210. Well in this case,

it was true.

[uponit7771]

246. +1

[Dawson Leery]

81. Berns has always been a professional agitator.

I am not surprised to see his core supporters act in such a horrid manner.

"While many Democrats point to the reconciliation that occurred after the rough 2008 contest between Clinton and Barack Obama – despite the dead-ender protestations of some Clinton backers – some fret that the dynamic is different with Sanders, in part because many of the younger voters and independents who like his message don’t associate with a party. In that case, it might not matter much that Clinton actually has a higher approval rating among Democrats now than Obama did at this point in 2008."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-rallies-dark-tone-218817#ixzz3zLAQHE3S

[mhatrw]

156. Yep. He is rousing the rabble!

[Autumn Colors]

84. Guess what?

Many of them WON'T be "brought into the fold" if she's the nominee under ANY circumstances.

I'm writing in Bernie's name if that's the case. Sorry DU, but I will not vote for Hillary.

(NOTE: I've been a straight ticket democratic voter since I turned 18. I'm now in my 50s and I vote every November. Sorry, but I've had it and I'm voting for Bernie.)

[840high]

142. My first vote was for JFK - always voted

Dem. I'm writing Bernie in if need arises.

[dinkytron]

87. Its just hard to hear Abuelitia spew such swill and not get agitated.

[Bernin4U]

90. Crank up the victimhood to 11!

They showed her on the screens at a Bernie rally, and got booed by his hardcore supporters?!

What did they expect, a polite round of applause? A standing ovation? Utter silence?

Oh the horror! People went and acted like people do in a large informal group (when not being monitored by their grade school teacher).

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

155. Booing a screen is not the same as booing the person "in person".

Just like when I swear at a sports announcer. If he was in the room, I wouldn't do that. But I can swear all I want in the privacy of my living room.

[Bernin4U]

243. Right. And her on the screen at his rally

Is what this article was about.

[bkkyosemite]

93. People are hurting. I just gave some money to a single parent

and I'm on SS with some babysitting. My SS did not get a COLA this year again. Disgusting. Hillary does not know what it is like to worry about the light bill or the rent or food. Bernie does. That makes a big difference.

[fbc]

95. I think she does deserve all this riducule

And I hope it increases to serve as a warning to other democrats who desire to sell out the American people to line their own pockets.

[Oilwellian]

172. +1

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

96. "She makes me sick to my stomach" or other things to that effect.

[nc4bo]

98. Oh my! Campaigns now have to be responsible for disciplining people not directly associated with

the campaign? These folks are just ordinary, everyday Joe and Jane Supporter or rally attendee. They are fired up! People are genuinely pissed with........zomg.............genuine anger!

This complaint sounds really weird.

No one is tossing tomatoes, shoes or worse at any of the candidates! They are using their voices.

BFD.

[Duval]

101. He does need to tell his supporters to chill. Sanders would not endorse this kind of behavior.

I do hope he continues to ask her hard questions about her experience and lack of judgment.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

161. He does not. That's just silly. The OP is silly.

[winter is coming]

102. So predictable.

First, Sanders is accused of something (in this case, attacking Hillary), and when that falls flat, his supporters are accused of the same thing.

[mhatrw]

103. A Sanders nomination is the surest way to get all these people, as well as most independents,

back into the fold.

[bkkyosemite]

104. She got boo'd at the debate from what came out of her mouth.

Certain behavior can make people boo.

[catnhatnh]

105. I had such high hopes when I saw the subject line for the OP

I knew that Bernie's polls were showing increased approval among POC and that he'd just been endorsed by a head of the NAACP and actor Danny Glover...I was so happy and then this!

[californiabernin]

107. I don't support those doing this, but then again it's all the more reason to support Sanders.

He can bring in more independents, open-minded Republicans, and Democratic voters.

I will support Hillary 100% if she wins the nomination; not all democrats will. I don't endorse or support that, but it is what it is.

I know, that is terribly harsh, but people are really sick of the establishment and establishment politics...dems, repubs, and indys all are sick and tired of it.

[nichomachus]

108. Hogwash

Hillary supporters are some of the nastiest people I've met. They're all sweetness and light when they think she's ahead, but when the number don't go her way, they go to the dark side. I guess there are a lot of leftover PUMAs from 2008.

[last1standing]

110. Clinton lies and her supporters get upset that she's called a liar. Makes sense.

Why worry yourself over whether you can trust anything that comes out of her mouth when you can post an OP about your "concern" that she's being called out for it?

[AtomicKitten]

111. for the night is dark and full of terrors

[AzDar]

112. Meanwhile, at the Debate... one Candidate was so nasty and snide, that she was roundly BOOED.

[Maedhros]

117. Since when is disdain for corporate politicians a bad thing? [n/t]

[Bernin4U]

158. When you're a "Top Democrat" in 2016

Not gonna be pretty for many of the old guard.

[40RatRod]

118. Considered leaving it has got so bad,

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

171. It will get much worse before it gets better.

[40RatRod]

216. It doesn't have to, but...

...the haters, which other side it may be, are just ensuring the other side will not vote if their candidate is the nominee.
DU is starting to make the GOP crowd look like a love fest.

[Jack Rabbit]

124. Well, consider this

She made me sick to my stomach in 2008, too.

[LiberalArkie]

127. This crap has been going on forever. I remember as a teenager being told to

call the phone numbers to the local Democratic Party and leave them off hook so people could not call them for rides to the polls.

I remember operating the mimeograph machine all night long making flyers to put on car windshields at their homes telling the people that election day had be moved to Wednesday.

This was all done at the local city level

[notadmblnd]

128. Thanks for the daily "Sander's supporters are so mean" post.

I don't know I'd get a daily chuckle without it.

[INdemo]

129. The title of this OP is does not fit the content.

can you really blame these attendees to Hillary's gatherings ...do you really think she told the truth

You cannot blame the conduct of Bernie's supporters on Bernie Sanders..

After all though Hillary was a Moderate Centrist before she was a Progressive and who knows maybe before the next debate she will be back to being a Moderate Centrist again..That just might depend on how the fundraisers go with Sponsors like Bain Capital (a Mitt Romney Company)..Im sure she will have to declare that she is a Moderate -Centrist there.

[daleanime]

132. Who let the disbeliever enter?

[Jed28]

144. A darker turn?

It's not up to the Sander's campaign to defend Clinton's record.

[bowens43]

145. everyone who is familiar with her career should have disdain for her....

she can't be trusted , there is no issue so important or un-important that she won't lie about it if she feels it will get her closer to the power she craves.

[Indepatriot]

147. POLLS LOOKING BAD? NO PROBLEM! JUST APPLY FAUX OUTRAGE!

ORDER NOW AND WE'LL THROW IN A JUMBO SIZE STRAND OF FAKE PEARLS FOR CLUTCHING!!!!

[retrowire]

148. As a Bernie supporter...

I just want to state that I simply dislike Hillary and I do not trust her.

I would boo her from a crowd.

But you know what I, and likely MANY of them wouldn't do?

Hurt her.

Just because a number of us dislike a politician enough to exclaim that she's a liar, and boo her, does not mean there's any reason to be so concerned or fear us.

A lot of people don't like politicians, no big deal.

So honestly, I think this comes off as a smear against Bernie and his supporters when people start saying things like the OP, "I do think his campaign needs to get a handle on this before it gets out of control."

Yep, see how Bernie supporters are being painted all because we chanted that someone is a liar? See how this implies that Bernie is a dangerous man who is feeding the public "DANGEROUS" ideas?

Because since we're obviously discontented, we must be... dealt with somehow?

Nevermind the fact that our reason for being upset with Hillary, Wall St and Politics in general is based in a real concern for our government and how things are going to be ran in the future.

No, nevermind any of that... We booed a politician and called her a liar, and now we're being seen as if we're
going out of control"

Wow.

[Bonobo]

152. Boos??? Really? That's the "darkness"?? LOL.

Boos are not as bad as anti-Semitism.

[Helen Borg]

166. Poor baby got booed for slandering Bernie!

[m-lekktor]

241. what a bunch of whiney drama queens!

holy FUCK!

[Odin2005]

157. Hillary IS a liar.

I don't see anything wrong here.

[mhatrw]

167. Clinton and her supporters are ever persecuted and always victims.

Clinton and her surrogates constantly attack by and/or while playing the victim card. Doesn't your bleeding heart bleed for poor, poor disempowered Hillary? Because some mean old Sanders supporters called a liar a liar?

Anybody who has the gall to publicly express her or his political disagreement with Clinton or her supporters is by definition mean-spirited, racist and sexist. That's the only consistent line of attack Clinton and her supporters have, and they are sure sticking with it.

[Helen Borg]

170. A case of Clinton privilege.

[Helen Borg]

168. Totally agreed.

Bernie is not allowed to say it, but we are!

[Billsmile]

160. People are Going to Act Like People Normally Do.

Some of it ain't pretty. For example, everyday I read that Bernie supporters are flawed in some way. Everyday.

[Helen Borg]

164. Righto, they are "dangerous" revolutionaries.

Good luck making that stick...

[Fearless]

165. Well if she was a better candidate this wouldn't be an issue would it?

[Live and Learn]

173. Oh, you mean he is spreading the truth about Clinton.

I agree that telling truths about Clinton could be viewed as caustic , in light of the odious things she has done. But we really can't keep people in the dark about the vile things she has said and done, now can we?

[Rebkeh]

174. This is on the media

When people and their voices are not heard or represented, they resort to more desperate ways to make themselves heard. Add frustration and legitimate fear/anger and you get this. Whether they are right or wrong is not the point, if the media was fair and balanced, this would be a small thing unworthy of spotlighted attention.

Some may be trolls too so there's that. It also could be exaggeration.

[mdbl]

175. I don't think constructive criticism is ridicule

Some people seem to confuse the two. I will vote for whoever wins the primary, but until then, I'm going to support my candidate more than the other. As far as those who think Bernie is pie in the sky, think of it this way: if you start from a low position, you will just go lower. If you start from the highest position, you may end up a little higher. I was completely disappointed in Hillary for saying that you can't do universal healthcare - by setting the bar low, she'll never get anywhere. That is what might make me criticize Hillary. I hope to see the Hillary of the 1990's come back, but I fear she's been long gone. If she gets the nomination, I will hope she proves me wrong. But I won't take that chance with my vote in the primaries.

[casperthegm]

180. Clinton supporters, please see Elizabeth Warren vs Hillary Clinton (2004)

I won't call her names or boo her but at the same time I am not a fan of hers. She simply lacks authenticity. She says Sanders' campaign is subtly attacking her and that she has never changed a vote due to all the money she receives and challenged him to prove otherwise.

Clinton Supporters; Please see Elizabeth Warren vs Hillary Clinton (2004) on youtube. All I ask is that you view that. If, after viewing that you think I'm wrong please post on here why you think it's not an issue that she is a complete liar. Thank you.

[youceyec]

181. Clinton/O'Malley 2016

Can't wait!

[passiveporcupine]

183. OFFS, how long will you guys keep harping on this ridiculous attack?

What I don't understand is that according to you all, Hillary won in Iowa, so you should be elated. Instead you are panicking and attacking Bernie supporters non-stop.

Seems to me you don't have confidence in your candidate...so you have to take it out on us.

Yeah, the "near tie" in Ohio scared you. I got that. Deal with it.

[mountain grammy]

184. When Hillary starts talking about "smears" she sounds like she's whining.

She doesn't need to do that. If she gave speeches to the big banks, so what. She needs to own it and give us some context of what her speeches were all about. Hillary's a public figure and a candidate for president. I want to know what wisdom she's sharing with the big bankers. Maybe it's all good.. Maybe she has real things to say about the banks caring about average Americans who's future they control. Maybe she's explaining to them the harm caused by reckless banking practices and the terrible conditions caused by poverty in America and the rest of the world and what the banks can do to alleviate those conditions. Maybe she discussed private investments into crumbling city infrastructures and water systems and pollution control so average Americans and the workers for the global corporations in other countries see a rise in their standards of living.
As much as anyone, large financial institutions have huge influence over what's happening the world. If Hillary has their ear and can talk to them about their greed that's contributing to so much misery around the world and can somehow influence them to change, then tell us. I want to know, when she walks into that room full of sharks, she tells them in no uncertain terms that they will no longer be given free reign to influence governments and exploit the working poor around the globe
I don't particularly want to see transcripts. That really isn't necessary. I just want Hillary to tell us that she understands the damage these institutions are doing and when she talks to them, she addresses those issues.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

187. Never occurred to them that they may have to come over to Bernie's side.

[Tarc]

191. The BernieBros are getting more and more media attention now

Here Comes the Berniebro

[billhicks76]

192. Tone Deaf Party?

She disdain is real and based on facts. Other people can gloss over the substance but I'm sorry people just can't get away with lies and betrayal in the communication age.

[Jenny_92808]

194. Hillary has been smeared by the right-wing for decades

Now she is using the right-wing playbook and is trying to smear Bernie. Disappointed.

[zentrum]

198. Bernie wouldn't like it.

And it won't help him.

Anger at her is more than justified going back to the DLC days and the Iraq war vote and the things she said about Obama in 2008 and her forever ties to Wall Street——but it's got to be controlled or the behavior becomes the story instead of her political decisions.

[LW1977]

205. K&R

Let's see how these children attacking the OP react when the Republican nominee gets elected President because these childish Bernie supporters took their ball and went home f he wasn't the nominee!

[Warren DeMontague]

209. Berniebrodzilla!

[Bernin4U]

219. Dunno why

That's kickin my ass right now. Haven't even cracked a cold one yet.

[ladjf]

212. If this is happening, I would blame Sec. Clinton herself.

Personally, I don't dislike her but her personality that is displayed in public triggers my "phony" alarms. To me, she doesn't sound sincere. That's just a subjective observation by me. I might be totally wrong. But, as Bernie said last night, "on hour worst day we are still a hundred times better than any of the Republican candidates.


I think Bernie and Hillary should stop squabbling and begin to point out the weaknesses of the Republican candidates. Let the Dem voters decide who is doing the best job of competing against the Republicans.

[Jenny_92808]

220. Hear Hear!!!

Exactly! But it appears, that the smears/lies from the Hillary camp will continue.

[ladjf]

244. Politics is historically a dirty business. nt

[hifiguy]

217. Horrors!!!

?w=300&h=205

[Chezboo]

221. The "Bernie Bros" Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism

I've given up trying to choose the best snippets from this article. It's loaded with information and examples that I can't do justice to with snippets - really - I'm not being lazy. It's definitely worth the read and some of it's pretty funny, even it if wasn't meant to be. And the $hit doesn't fly from just one direction.


The concoction of the “Bernie Bro” narrative by pro-Clinton journalists has been a potent political tactic — and a journalistic disgrace...

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31/the-bernie-bros-narrative-a-cheap-false-campaign-tactic-masquerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

[Warren DeMontague]

226. Even better, it's completely recycled from 8 years ago.

Of course, then it was "Obama Boys".


But, same shit.

http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/

[aikoaiko]

229. Of course you can't blame Bernie, it's Hillary's fault

She has to earn the respect of Bernie supporters.

I'm willing to overlook her dispicableness supporter at the Clinton Cave or JackassRUs, but her - not so much

[BainsBane]

236. It highlights the significance of misogyny

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In this electoral contest.

[Iggy Knorr]

240. Pearl-clutching non-sense

Oh my stars, vitriol?!?! what ever shall we do?!?!?

[PonyUp]

242. "Bring them into the fold". LOL n/t

[AgingAmerican]

247. People don't want right wing

It isn't hard to figure it out.

[riversedge]

261. and Democrats should not spread RW smears on other Democrats

[AgingAmerican]

266. Like McCarthyism

Agreed..

[noretreatnosurrender]

255. Much Ado About Nothing

No offense but I think lazy media pieces like this only serve to deflect attention away from the real issues. There are rude supporters in every candidate's camp and to single out the Sanders campaign for rude supporters does a disservice to the public. Maybe Ms. Debenedetti prefers Senator Clinton - so be it. If that's the case she should be writing pieces about why Senator Clinton is better rather than pretending that only Sanders has rude supporters. Anyone on DU knows that rude supporters are not exclusive to one campaign. lol

[workinclasszero]

264. Scary

Its been on full display on DU for months.

[R B Garr]

274. +1000.

Very scary.

[lame54]

286. STILL the presumed nominee?...

REALLY!

[Todays_Illusion]

288. Well sure take a story from ultra conservative Politico who is more afraid of Sanders than they

are of Clinton and treat it as gospel.