Bernie Sanders: Prolific Democratic Party Fund Raiser.

[Thinkingabout]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

Hum.

[Avalux]

1. Nice try with the new tactic. Won't work. n/t

[gcomeau]

2. Hum... he has on several occasions helped the Democratic party out even while foregoing...

...donations from corrupting influences himself?

Hum?

[TBF]

3. lol - he has raised money at the request of the DNC

and now individual donors are sending money. This is not in the same hemisphere as Hillary's deals. But thanks for playing.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. I thought the meme was that he didn't do enough for the downticket?

Which is it? Both?

[Bluenorthwest]

6. It's both. He's bad for raising funds and for not raising funds. It's Mad Hatter time.

It makes me wonder what the underlying issue is with these folks that attack him for standing then attack him for sitting.

[kath]

25. Yes, it's both. They keep whipsawing back and forth between the two, for months now.

See my posts 69 and 71 in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511153641

(Which I think was the 2nd (or was it THIRD) one on this topic today) for links to some examples (may try to do a more exhaustive search in the a.m.)

[notadmblnd]

31. They're scared

They're scared that things will change with Sanders and they're afraid they're going to have what they got taken away from them if Sanders is successful in his bid for the White House.

[beam me up scottie]

44. They know their candidate took millions from Wall Street.

So they're trying to associate Bernie with the same people but it's not comparable.

Can you imagine what they would say if Bernie took millions from the gun industry? He never took a dime but they still claim he's supported by the NRA.

They don't have anything on him but they'll keep trying to make it look like they do.

[Matariki]

12. Which is it?

Either they're idiots or they think we are.

Anyway, one thing for certain - it *is* transparent.

[beam me up scottie]

5. So Hillary supporters lied when they said he didn't raise money for Dems?

You guys should pick a smear and stick with it, this is hilarious.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Here's one that says Hillary raised $18 million for the Democratic party; Bernie raised nothing

Has 48 recs and lots of comments.

"Sanders, by comparison, did not raise any money for the DNC last year, although his campaign has said it plans to fundraise on behalf of the national party"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251968425

[beam me up scottie]

9. This is too delicious, they are blowing their own meme out of the water.

This is the third thread on the "scandal" today, apparently they didn't think this through.

Good research!

[TransitJohn]

13. Imagine that!

Inconceivable!

[beam me up scottie]

15. The title of the op reads like ringing praise for Bernie's efforts!

WAT TO GO BERNIE!

[NYC Liberal]

18. Oh, our bad. So we now know that he DOES show up at those big-dollar fundraisers.

You know, that ones YOU have attacked Hillary for attending.

beam me up scottie (47,177 posts)
70. We sure did!

No $2700/plate dinners for Bernie, it's been grassroots all the way!

The people are speaking, America needs to listen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644378

[beam me up scottie]

19. I was talking about his CAMPAIGN and up to that point there were no $2700/plate dinners.

But thanks for digging though the trash, too bad you came up empty. Better go wash your hands now.

[NYC Liberal]

20. Oh, so it's ok when it's for OTHER people.

Got it.

Keep trying to justify the attacks on Hillary's fundraising now that we know Sanders has done the same thing.

[beam me up scottie]

21. No it's APPLES TO ORANGES sport, but you knew that.

Don't be mad, you'll get over it.

Better luck next time.





Oh and here's some more apples to oranges for ya:

[NYC Liberal]

24. Right, so when Sanders is fundraising for OTHER members of Congress,

those big-dollar dinners are A-OK.

Thanks for clarifying!

[beam me up scottie]

26. Nope, read my post again. And keep reading it.

You'll get it eventually, I have faith in you.

[NYC Liberal]

27. Oh, I get it alright.

One standard for Clinton, another for Sanders.

IOKIYABS?

[beam me up scottie]

28. Nope, maybe read it a few more times. If you're an it-getter it'll come to you.

If not, don't worry, not everyone is.

[NYC Liberal]

37. Oh there was nothing deep about it.

Your double standards are quite obvious.

[beam me up scottie]

40. Not an it-getter I see. Oh well, you probably have other redeeming qualities.

Think happy thoughts:

[NYC Liberal]

41. The congnitive dissonance must be quite painful.

That's okay. Give it a few days and I'm sure you'll come around to accepting that your guy just as flawed as the rest of us mere mortals.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Another logical fallacy! Let's see if you can figure out which one on your own. Here's a hint:

[kath]

29. They LIE?!? Like their candidate? say it ain't so!

[beam me up scottie]

32. They blew up their own meme! Now it's Bernie doesn't raise money for the RIGHT Dems!

[99th_Monkey]

7. Dupe

see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1152105

[kath]

22. Not just a duplicate - a triplicate AT LEAST, maybe even a fucking quadruplicate.

[99th_Monkey]

23. Well, when that's all you got, I guess that's all you got. I almost feel sorry for Hillarians

if they need to ride that non-issue into the ground repeatedly.

I thought Groundhog day was over?

[BainsBane]

30. Now raising Wall Street money is a non-issue?

I don't suppose you'll apply that across the board? No, I didn't think so.

[99th_Monkey]

35. Accusing Sanders of being a Wall St. crony is both laughable and pathetic, yes. nt

[BainsBane]

42. I don't believe I made that accusation

What is clear, however, is that his behavior does not comport with his claims. You've been fed a line by a politician, and you don't even care that it isn't true. That seems to be the common reaction.

It's clear that direct fundraising is just as inconsequential as super pac spending, corporate accountability (think gun corporations and Lockheed Martin), drones, single payer (the fact he himself declared it a non starter in 2009). Of course, the issue of the campaign finance system was long ago abandoned in order to present the problem as about Clinton as an individual rather than a systemic issue, even as Bernie benefits from the largest amount of Super Pac and dark money spending of any candidate of either party in this election. But now that's it's been uncovered that he directly solicited funds from representatives of the very banks he rails about, none of you care at all. That makes clear that the issue is NEVER what mattered that it significance is only as an argument to attack Clinton.

For sometime it's been clear to me that the opposition to Clinton has nothing to do with policy. The reaction to this disclosure once again confirms that.

[99th_Monkey]

45. The Clinton campaign is becoming a pretzel factory, spinning out twisted half-baked distortions

and nonsensical insinuations that miss the mark a country mile.

What the hell am I suppose to make of these rare gems of disconnected incoherence?

When you say:
1) "direct fundraising is (just as) inconsequential as super pac spending.." OR

2) "the issue of the campaign finance system was long ago abandoned in order to
present the problem as about Clinton .." OR

3) "it's clear to me that the opposition to Clinton has nothing to do with policy".

Last I checked, #1 - Bernie's ginormous direct donor base of millions of voters giving
their hard-earned money with individual contributions ($27 each -- the result of countless
hours of honest political work by quality volunteers, for which there is nothing to be ashamed.
Unlike getting handed $675,000 for a few speeches, when everyone knows that Goldman Sachs
is betting on the come, for future-access & influence, and doing so in broad daylight. When
you can show me where Bernie has tapped spurious sources for $675,000, then we can
talk, but until then why talk apples and oranges ?

#2 Last I checked, the issue of campaign finance is front and center in Bernie's platform,
and not just what he puts on his website, it's a passionate & genuine commitment to do
everything within his power to fight against money corrupting our politics. I have no idea
what you are even talking about on this one, but it's some kind of parallel universe I'd rather
avoid, if possible.

#3 Again, where do you come up with this crap? Bernie's campaign has everything to
do with policies to end a corrupt campaign finance regime, to hold Wall St. accountable --
along with much of corporate America -- to pay their fair share of tax, to curb their criminal
and unethical practices, and to at least pretend to give a rat's ass about the "little people".

Your obsessive suggestions that Bernie supporters care about NOTHING --not about issues, not
about policies, not about anything -- except "tearing down Hillary", are an amazing reflection
of how Hillary herself typically plays the Victim Card, when the chips are down. So that makes
perfect sense, but in a weird way.

[NYC Liberal]

33. Sanders fans NEVER post anti-Clinton shit more than once.

Goldman Sachs transcripts?
24 Hours Later: Has Hillary Released the Goldman Sacs Transcripts Yet?
Intercept/L.Fang: Hillary Won’t Say if She’ll Release Transcripts of Goldman Sachs Speeches
Release the transcripts? I dunno.
Apparently Clinton Has Her Own Speech Transcripts.... (link)
Secretary Clinton, It IS Really Easy.. RELEASE THE DAMN TRANSCRIPTS!
Clinton Dodges On Releasing Paid Speech Transcripts
Thank you, CHUCK TODD, for asking Hillary to release the transcripts
Transcripts: I see exactly where this is going:
Can we all agree that Hillary should release the transcripts of her Goldman speech?
Transcripts?
Release the transcripts?
The drumbeat for Hillary to release her transcripts
release the transcripts
Hillary Clinton : "Hell no I won't release my transcripts."
TRANSCRIPTS PLEASE of Goldman Sachs speeches?? HRC "I'll look into it" <--WTF?
Hillary Clinton Laughs When Asked if She Will Release Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
Q. Will you release your Goldman Sachs transcripts? HRC: Ha ha ha!
Hillary Clinton LAUGHS When Asked if She Will RELEASE Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
Hillary Clinton Laughs When Asked if She Will Release Transcripts of Her Goldman Sachs Speeches
My MoveON petition - Hillary, release transcripts of your Wall Street speeches.
Ask that Hillary Clinton release transcripts of her "speeches" to Goldman Sachs, et. al.

or

Rice and Powell did it (classified emails) too!
Since we found a few emails we decided to mark secret or conf, it's okay you set up your own server
Fact Checker: How did ‘top secret’ emails end up on Hillary Clinton’s server?
More Leak Emails: Hillary Clinton Got Massive Commission to Announce Iraq Investment Zone
Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton's Emails 'A Very Serious Issue'
O’Malley’s kids on millennial issues and the importance of the youth vote (and emails)
Enough About Hillary Clinton’s Damn Emails!
I want to see Hillary's emails
(Perhaps) Overlooked in yesterday's news: State did release 2,000 emails
Anyone know if Bill Clinton's emails were on Hilliary's server and if so would the FBI
Did anyone on msnbc mention the emails last nite? They should! Not to bash Hillary but to....
I am just now watching BBC World News Tonight: Syria, Top Secret Emails.
Hillary Clinton's 'top secret' 22 emails were not classified when they were sent
"This Marks The First Confirmation That Emails From Clinton’s Personal Server Contained Top Secret
"Some emails on Hillary's unsecured home server were Top Secret"
APNewsBreak: US declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'
Here's what you need to know about the 7 Clinton emails ...
US declares 22 Clinton emails ‘top secret’
BREAKING: State classifying 7 email chains as "Top Secret" ... Hmmmm... Emails strike again...
State Department to Withhold 22 Hillary Clinton Emails Entirely B/C They are Top Secret
State Department now looking into whether Clinton emails were classified when they were sent
State To Release Some Clinton Emails On Friday; Thousands Still Delayed - TheHill
So this happened to Hillary at the rope line (emails question, sorry if dupe)
McLaughlin Group: McLaughin & Clarence Page - Clinton won't be indicted by Justice Dept over emails.
Salon: Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger
State Department seeks 1-month extension on Clinton emails
WSJ: Clinton’s Emails: A Criminal Charge Is Justified
Officials: New Top Secret Clinton Emails 'Innocuous' - info among th worst kept secrets in D.C.- NBC
Some Hillary emails so top secret investigators didn't have access
Clinton's Emails on private server being 'Top Secret' is trending hard on Facebook right now
How The State Department Caved To Hillary Clinton’s Lawyer On Classified Emails
Citizens United files lawsuit for emails from Chelsea Clinton
At least 1,340 Clinton emails now known to contain classified material
Another huge dump of Hillary's emails and still no smoking gun.
2 Clinton emails were 'top secret,' but one is no longer

[tomm2thumbs]

34. ••• Results of Jury •••

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"Hillarians" -- rude, disruptive namecalling.

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Explanation:
silly alert

[99th_Monkey]

38. Thanks for the heads-up. nt

[neverforget]

36. I voted to leave it.

Absolutely no different than the Berniebots that are thrown around here

On Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:20 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well, when that's all you got, I guess that's all you got. I almost feel sorry for Hillarians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1154986

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Hillarians" -- rude, disruptive namecalling.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:28 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation:
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[Matariki]

10. There is a difference between raising money for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

and individual lawmakers courting Super PACs.

But I'm sure you knew that.

I would think that Senators are expected to raise money for their party.

[NYC Liberal]

39. And where do you think the money goes?

It goes to electing those individual lawmakers.

[Gothmog]

11. Great article

[UglyGreed]

14. Does Bernie

get the money back like Hillary seems to do???

The Alaska Democratic Party has collected more than $40,000 from a political committee tied to the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton that raises money from billionaire donors, complicating the party’s message as it calls for campaign finance reform.

The party, in a monthly report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund, with $10,000 donations from billionaires, including hedge fund manager S. Donald Sussman and Hyatt hotel heir J.B. Pritzker.

In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, [back] to the Democratic National Committee -- a move that, while legal, helps to effectively “obliterate” federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.

“It just becomes a way to give more to the DNC to support the Clinton campaign,” said Paul S. Ryan, deputy executive director of the Campaign Legal Center, which advocates for campaign finance reform. “It’s effectively Hillary Clinton’s team soliciting Hillary Clinton’s supporters for much bigger checks than they can give to the campaign -- knowing that every penny could be spent on the Clinton campaign.”

A Cuban-born sugar tycoon. A California-based registered foreign agent for the government of Sri Lanka. A Chicago billionaire.

All of them are recent large donors to the Maine Democratic Party via a complex fundraising scheme called the Hillary Victory Fund. The fund exploits recent court decisions and weakened campaign finance laws to maximize political contributions and funnel them to the Democratic National Committee.

[...]

But all the contributions haven’t stayed in Maine, or any of the other state Democratic parties to which Hillary Victory Fund donations have been funneled. Federal Election Commission reports show that the two October and November transfers totaling $39,000 from the Hillary Victory Fund to the Maine Democratic Party each sat for less than 48 hours with the party before the exact same amounts were transferred to the Democratic National Committee, or DNC.

[...]

While individual contributions to the state and national parties are capped, transfers between state and national committees are unlimited. That means that, effectively, donors can skirt contribution limits to the DNC or state parties by giving through joint fundraising committees like the Hillary Victory Fund.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/9/1467700/-This-May-Be-The-Reason-Bernie-s-Not-Fundraising-for-the-State-Democratic-Parties

[catnhatnh]

16. And he helped out the Democratic party

WHILE HE WAS AN AVOWED INDEPENDENT????? The Fucking nerve!!!!!

[Thinkingabout]

17. And became a part of the establishment.