One more nail in the coffin? 2011 footage of Hillary talking about Iraq as an OIL opportunity

[MauriceLawrence96]

Hillary Clinton is very excited and hopeful about Iraq's future.

Great experience and judgment on foreign affairs.

[OhZone]

1. Ridiculous use of imagry caused by Bush/Cheney. FAIL n/t

[MauriceLawrence96]

4. They needed the support of Hillary and others to pass the resolution.

Sure, Hillary is not to blame as Bush / Cheney, but she did enable them.

Sorry you don't like the imagery. War is not pretty.

[bvar22]

9. She didn't just enable them...she CHEERED for them all the way,

until public opinion turned against the war, Then she tried to lie her way out by claiming Bush exceeded her authority given in the AUMF.
The first thing a sociopath does it try to blame somebody else.


So, Hillary, are you REALLY going to claim the the Village Idiot from Crawford Fooled You?
If what she claims is true, then she is not competent to hold ANY Public Office.
We should ALL be supporting the people who got it right the first time.

[avaistheone1]

15. Truth!!

but a very uncomfortable one for Hillary now.

[asuhornets]

29. If you are so anti-hillary..

then why won't you post something positive about your candidate?

[U of M Dem]

44. Probably because HRC has some serious downside

and people want to discuss her downside on a political discussion board.

DU is not just an echo chamber / cheer squad for the candidate of your choice in case you hadn't gotten the memo. (If you are interested in that, I would recommend http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/).

The post by MauriceLawrence96 in question directly relates to the OP and continue the discussion.



Also links for HRC's downside in case you were wondering:

HRC on LGBT rights:

HRC on TPP:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/

HRC on IWR:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/12/435624/-

HRC on Wall Street Regulation:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/9/1430159/-Hillary-Clinton-firmly-opposed-to-reinstating-Glass-Steagall-Wall-Street-rejoices

(These are attacks from the left in case you were wondering, AKA not right wing talking points)

[Loudestlib]

46. Hillary's own positions can't be anti-Hillary

She voted for the war and then almost 9 years later she is talking about how the oil in Iraq is a business opportunity for US corporations. She's a democratic running for president. It's not just Hillary that has to defend that position. Democrats have to explain why one of our candidates was for the war in Iraq and 9 years later she was talking about the business opportunities because of that war.

That's a position I don't want to be in.

n/t

[OhZone]

47. She enabled them AFTER THEY LIED TO HER and congress.

This is like blaming the victim.

[TheBlackAdder]

50. They lied to others who were not duped. I remember Sanders caught shit for his opposition.

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People in NJ were calling him a commie, a traitor, anti-American, a *ussy!

I'm sure he caught crap in every other state too!


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[ljm2002]

51. Bernie saw through the lies...

...and I also, along with millions of others, saw through the lies. So that excuse hardly inspires confidence in her as it requires us to believe she was quite gullible.

IMO Hillary saw through the lies too, but made a political calculation that it would be useful for her to appear "strong" rather than "weak", and to show that she would be as willing as any man or any Republican to project American power.

I could be wrong about that. But if so, and if she was not so gullible as to be fooled by GWB's lies, what does that leave us with? It leaves us with someone who is a hawk -- who agreed in principle with the illegal and disastrous invasion of Iraq. And that is the worst of three bad options, IMO.

I will just add one thing. She made an impassioned floor speech when she made her vote, and she defended that vote for a long time. Only when it became evident what a disaster that illegal invasion turned out to be, and that public opinion had turned against it -- only then did she finally admit it had been a "mistake".

Her hawkishness, for me, is the #1 reason I do not want her as President.

[bvar22]

52. The MAJORITY of Democrats were NOT fooled by Bush,

and many stood and voiced their opposition to what THEY knew was permission to invade Iraq.
Once again, you have demonstrated that all her "experience" is worth squat.
It is good judgement that counts, and THAT is what I want in the Oval Office.
I will vote for someone who got it right, not the one that the Village Idiot from Crawford fooled.

Hillary turned her back on the Majority of Democrats,
walked across the aisle to the Republican side, and helped Bush and Cheney get their War On!!

Of course, we all remember that after Bush launched the invasion, Hillary was FURIOUS with Bush,
and took out Full Page Adds in newspapers across the country condemning Bush for exceeding his authority granted by her vote. She also appeared on all the talking head shows angrily confronting the Bush Administration for exceeding their authority, and called for the arrest and trial of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for abusing the authority and LYING to Congress.
.
.
.

Oh wait.
That NEVER happened,
but that is what an honest person would have done if they really believed that Bush had fooled them and exceeded his authority.

Here is a list of Democrats that, according to you were smarter than Hillary:

The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

IWR
or The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu


Now THAT is embarrassing for Hillary, and for ANYONE who claims that Bush Fooled Her.

[senz]

5. Her words in the video fully damn her.

She openly, plainly advocates using Iraq as an oil opportunity.

Is that who you back for President?

[roguevalley]

8. I wish they were sick of the right things than 'imagery caused by

Cheney and Bush'. Jeez. They didn't do it alone and some had the conscience and wit to vote no. She isn't one of them and then going back to pick at the corpse is unconscionable.

[senz]

12. Their use of "imagery" is to deflect criticism from HER words.

They know exactly what they're doing.

[OhZone]

10. Everyone on earth knows there is oil in Iraq and that it would be nice if they could be a normal -

country and share the profits with normal people and help their lives as a democracy. Wouldn't it be nice? Do you think we're all in a Communist country. America is capitalist country.

But Bush/Cheney lied to us. The Iraq war is all on Bush/Cheney. *** They lied to Hillary too. ***

I am really getting confused by Bernie supporters. They seem to be on another planet.

[MauriceLawrence96]

11. are you saying Hillary was not smart enough to know that Bush/Cheney

were lying?

But Bernie and others were smart enough?

[sulphurdunn]

35. Hell, I was smart enough to know they were lying.

So were millions of other people, so was Ms. Clinton, and so was every other congressional SOB who voted with her.

[senz]

14. Other countries do not exist for America to rape and plunder.

Iraq's oil belongs to Iraq and should be used for the benefit of the Iraqi people. If they want to trade with other countries, they should be free to do so as they deem best.

Your constant accusations of Bernie supporters as anti-capitalist and pro-communist sound very much like what we hear from older Americans whose opinions reflect Cold War attitudes. Your opinions are commonplace among a certain set of Republicans.

America is not a "capitalist" country. Capitalism is an economic system and our founders did not create an economic system; they created a political system. America is a democratic republic as delineated in our Constitution. There is no mention of capitalism in our Constitution.

Bernie supporters believe in democracy. That's why we want to rid our government of the influence of great wealth.

I doubt you are very "confused" by Bernie supporters.

But of course your concern is always welcome.

[OhZone]

16. You don't seem to understand capitalism/business -

It's not always win/lose. It's often win/win.

We buy their oil. They buy our cars. We buy their carpets. They buy stuff to improve their infrastucture. Etc. Etc.



Oh, and, if you think we aren't a capitalist country, I am seriously worried about you. We've been buying and selling and trading from day one.

[Fumesucker]

18. The ungrateful wretches never paid us for all those advanced bombs we donated to them

Do you think it's *easy* putting a smart bomb down a chimney without The Force?

Fuck no it's not easy, we chose to do those things because they were hard.

And don't even get me started on the depleted uranium they still owe us for.

[senz]

21. You don't seem to understand what I wrote.

I did not criticize capitalism. Where do get that from?

I don't think we are a "capitalist" country -- because there's nothing in our founding documents that says we are capitalist country.

You seem to be interpreting what I write from a rightwing anticommunist position that assumes you're talking to a communist. Well, you're not talking to a communist, nor even a dictionary definition socialist. But neither am I a rabid free market lassaiz faire capitalist.

I'm probably far more "center" than you.

[Bohemianwriter]

36. That plan didn't work out that well, now did it?

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1600623

[Old Crow]

40. Wow, that's pretty naive.

It's also rather dismissive of a lot of global suffering caused by greed-driven overreach. You seem to be unfamiliar with the long, long list of countries in South America, Central America, Asia, Africa, and the Mideast that have suffered when more developed nations, ours included, viewed them as business opportunities.

Not an attack. Just being honest here.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Let's bomb the whole world and then sell them stuff.

[DhhD]

30. She helped privatize the Mexican Oil Industry for the American Oil Companies as SoS. As Senator

she voted to privatize Iraqi Oil.

Details on the Mexican privatization can be found on WikiLeaks.

[senz]

32. Thanks, DhhD.

It would be great if there were a list of all the big, powerful corporations whose interests she has served or who have paid huge sums of money to her.

[litlbilly]

23. a democracy, not capitalist or communist, wow, how old are you?

[zentrum]

24. Nonsense.

She lived through the Viet Nam War and knew perfectly well that such foreign adventures can and usually are built on phony evidence.

There were plenty of reputable inside DC people tearing their hair out and screaming to the rafters that Saddam had no WMD. You've heard of Joe Wilson, and Larry Wilkerson, for starters, haven't you?

Just on the face of it, you do not give war powers to people like Bush and Cheney without deeply checking out the advise of the opposition. Do you think HRC is a naif?

And lastly, anyone who invades a major oil country in the hornet's nest of the Middle East has damned bad, uninformed judgement and shouldn't be trusted to exercise it ever again.

[Feeling the Bern]

43. She voted for and threw all her support behind the war! This questions her

"experience" in foreign affairs. She supported her husband's bombings in Bosnia.

In real humanitarian crises, she has done little: Boko Haram, Darfur, Rwanda, etc.

[TheProgressive]

2. This makes me sick...

[Samantha]

41. It made me sick as well - I could only watch a few minutes

That decision, the one to give Bush* the authority to invade Iraq, was an issue thoroughly discussed at DU. I said at that time Hillary was supporting the war because she had in mind to run for president. She did not want to appear to be weak to the voting public, so she supported this preemptive war. I made the statement I would never vote for anyone to be President who supported giving Bush* the authorization to attack Iraq. Many, many people here believed Bush and Cheney were lying to the public. Many.

Sam

[HooptieWagon]

3. I wonder how many millions made their way into Clinton Foundation coffers

For that little speech.

[RDANGELO]

6. Is it know exactly when she made that speech about oil opertunities in Iraq? n/t

[MauriceLawrence96]

7. It leaked in Nov 2011. Here is the 10 minute original:

[Gregorian]

13. She's speaking on someone's behalf. But still, that doesn't absolve one, I don't think.

I have a friend who invested in an ammunition company. He really got a lot of flak from both me and another friend of his. People don't get that their behavior has consequences. So they had better be good ones.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Well, it's her "experience" that she's exhibiting.

[SHRED]

19. Gross

[elmac]

20. That $5 a barrel oil next year

should really make up for the murders of over 200,000 Iraqi civilians.

[senz]

22. Oh yeah it's all worth it now.

[Wig Master]

37. I thought it was a million dead

[AzDar]

25. K & R

[Arazi]

26. Kicked and Recced eom

[basselope]

27. And if this was used in a Sanders ad, they would cry foul!

[left-of-center2012]

28. How much $$$ did she get from oil corporations?

How much did they force her to accept for speeches?

[FreakinDJ]

31. WOW thats gonna leave a mark

[MauriceLawrence96]

33. THIS IS A MAJOR POINT TO KEEP IN MIND :

The reason this footage is so important is not so much what and how gleefully she says, but WHEN she says it.

That this is 2011.

The Iraq vote was 2002. 9 years earlier.

But it was not until 2014 when she started her campaign for president that she admitted her "mistake". She knew it hurt her against Obama and had to diffuse it. Now she can say "yeah, I said it was a mistake".

As you can see, in 2011, 9 years after her "mistake", she was still very excited and hopeful.

[cantbeserious]

34. No More Kings And Queens Of War - That Enable Death - Destroying The Lives Of Millions

eom

[SusanCalvin]

38. Not any different from other members of the combined corporate party. nt

[Bread and Circus]

39. That is a hell of a video :(

I am really sorry for what happened there. So much death.

[PatrynXX]

45. #1 reason why I don't trust Hillary is the UAE

tried to buy our ports. in conjunction with some guy called Bush. in 2005. because of that uproar, the deal fell apart in 2006. IMHO it was a mistake on Obama part to put Hillary in any position in foreign affairs.

[Duppers]

48. K & R

Thank you for posting this.

[ViseGrip]

49. More yuck. I'm already sick of her. Can't imagine another 8 years of this.