Question for Bernie supporters...how does one go from supporting Bernie to voting for Trump?

[Cali_Democrat]

I simply cannot understand the mindset. How does one go from supporting Bernie to voting for Donald Trump over Hillary?

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If Bernie Sanders loses, his backers may not be there for Hillary Clinton in November

Gio Vanecchia is so enamored of Bernie Sanders that he made a five-hour drive with his wife and infant son from South Jersey on Saturday morning to catch a glimpse of the progressive firebrand.

But what if Sanders loses the Democratic nomination? Asked whether he will be there to vote for the Democrat in November should Sanders falter, the 34-year-old union mechanic reacts as if the question is insane. There is not a chance, he insists, that he would ever support Hillary Clinton.

“She’s establishment,” Vanecchia said. “Most of the guys I work with think she’s a criminal.”

Vanecchia’s second choice for president is Donald Trump.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-sanders-20160206-story.html

[Agschmid]

1. This...

[Cali_Democrat]

4. WOW!

[flying rabbit]

37. He's A Broncos fan. Shit. We're doomed!

[beam me up scottie]

2. Ask that person. Tell me how can a Hillary supporter say the same thing?

One was banned tonight for saying that he would vote for Trump if Bernie wins.

Why would you guys do that?

[Duckhunter935]

3. How would we know

Ask him?

[TheBlackAdder]

47. Probably in this order Sanders => O'Malley => Clinton => Jeb! => Rubio => Trump => Cruz nt

[PoliticAverse]

5. Didn't like the responses to your other post on this?...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1162602

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Feel free to create your own posts.

[Live and Learn]

26. Some might call it spam. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

48. ...or spam after it's passed though the digestive tract of a dog! nt

[beam me up scottie]

8. Yeah, lol! He skedaddled out of there in a hurry! Maybe because of post #29?

[Duckhunter935]

19. Yep, priceless

[beam me up scottie]

21. I've never seen anyone delete their posts so fast.

[Art_from_Ark]

62. That was classic

[beam me up scottie]

63. Every time I see one of his ops I'm going to remember that and chuckle.

[Art_from_Ark]

65. I get the feeling he's got the wrong Boondocks character as his avatar

Perhaps this one would be more appropriate

[beam me up scottie]

66. *snort*

[morningfog]

9. Lol!

[bkkyosemite]

7. Maybe the guy is a Republican to start with.

[joshcryer]

10. Well, right wing and left wing populism have overlap.

I've seen people liking Trumps anti-NAFTA, anti-TPP rhetoric, etc. Also Trump is self-funding and refusing to use Super PACs.

But right wing populism is literally fascism. Trump is literally a fascist.

[Arazi]

11. Hillary has a big problem. She's "establishment"

Dick around with making people define "establishment " all you like, people know it when they see it.

The onus is on her to persuade people to vote for her if she wins the nomination.

She and her surrogates have done their level best to alienate and piss off BS supporters who are fed up with the status quo. Good luck trying to win them back.

You Hillary supporters have been told this over and over. It shouldn't be any surprise.

[NanceGreggs]

41. "The onus is on her ...

... to persuade people to vote for her if she wins the nomination."

No, the onus is on Democrats to vote for the (D) in November. Those who care about their fellow citizens will - those who don't give a shit won't.

It's THAT simple.

Regardless of who your candidate-of-preference is, using your vote to ensure that a Republican doesn't win the WH is the right thing to do. And if you have to be wooed, cajoled, courted, sweet-talked, and/or have your ass kissed in order to DO the right thing, you've already proven that you're not worth the time or the effort.

[Fearless]

50. I look forward to your enthusastic vote and canvassing for President Bernie Sanders in the GE season

[NanceGreggs]

54. There will never be a President Sanders.

It's just not gonna happen.

But thanks for playing!

[Fearless]

55. The current cuts both ways.

If you demand Sanders supports to pledge to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, you sure as hell better do the same if Bernie wins the nomination.

Otherwise you undermine your entire argument with obstinacy.

[NanceGreggs]

60. Where did I "demand" ...

... that Bernie supporters "pledge" to vote for Hillary?

Reading is fundamental. I said the exact opposite.

What I DID say was that the onus was on every individual to ensure that the Republicans do not retake the White House. What I DID say is that it is a matter of each individual's choice.

If you choose NOT to vote for the (D) in November, that's on YOU. And if you require having your ass kissed in order to do the right thing, you can wave that ass in the air from now until election night, waiting for someone who thinks your vote is worth it to pucker-up.

Just don't expect many takers.

[Fearless]

61. I've merely repeated exactly what you said. Why are you up in arms?

"the onus is on Democrats to vote for the (D) in November"

The onus is on YOU too.

[NanceGreggs]

64. Up in arms? Hardly.

I think it was your contention that I'd "demanded Sanders supports to pledge to vote for Hillary", when I in fact said the complete opposite.

Yes, of course, the onus is on me, too. But I'm not part of the contingent who have been saying they won't vote (D) in the general if my candidate is not the nominee.

Not namin' names, but there is only one candidate's supporters who have been saying that all along.

[tkmorris]

68. If Bernie is the candidate, are you gonna vote for him?

[NanceGreggs]

72. Absolutely.

If Bernie is the (D) nominee, he's got my vote.

[Fearless]

70. So will you vote for Bernie if he's the nominee?

[NanceGreggs]

71. Of course.

It wouldn't be a vote "for" Bernie so much as a vote "against" the Republican.

But either way, I don't require having my ass kissed in order to do right thing.

[HooptieWagon]

12. Probably same way the PUMAs voted for McCain/Palin

Maybe ask them?

[polichick]

18. Heh :)

[HerbChestnut]

13. I have no idea, personally.

No Bernie supporter I know likes Trump.

[merrily]

14. No clue. How about stirring pots at the LA Times over this, instead of at DU?

I have no clue if Gio Vanecchia actually exists, let alone what his thoughts are.

[sadoldgirl]

15. I don't know, but my guess is that

a lot will just stay home, shrugging their
shoulders, i.e.
We wanted serious change, we don't get nothing
but the status quo, so :forget it.

[sadoldgirl]

16. Just as a matter of interest:Why did you delete your first try?

[Duckhunter935]

22. Good question

[Live and Learn]

25. Because I mentioned that LOonix got banned for posting something similar.

Not sure this is any better though.

[catnhatnh]

17. Why should we think

that your status quo is better than theirs....

[neverforget]

20. Have yet to meet a Bernie support who would vote for Trump or any Republican. nt

[SHRED]

23. I guess I was correct

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280111313

[Duckhunter935]

30. I think so

[Luminous Animal]

24. That is a question you need to pose to Gio. There is not ONE SINGLE BERNIE SUPPORTER ON DU

that would vote for Trump. NOT ONE. Your question is offensive to all DEMOCRATIC Bernie supporters on DU.

[Live and Learn]

27. We've told you many times that we have been able to turn Trump supporters to Bernie.

But they sure the hell aren't going to vote for Hillary. Most of the people that won't vote for Hillary will simply sit it out though.

That should be fine with you since you didn't want them in your party anyway.

[Dems to Win]

28. Bernie Won't Be Bought because of his integrity, Trump can't be bought because he's already so rich

Trump has said that the Iraq War was a huge mistake that he has opposed from the beginning and we would be better off if we had invested the money spent on the war into infrastructure at home.

Just to be clear, I won't be voting for Trump, I'm a yellow dog who'll vote for the Dem nominee.

But the above are how I see how a person could go from Bernie to Trump, I guess. Maybe.

[KentuckyWoman]

29. Beats the heck out of me.

The fact that Bernie is a sitting Senator makes him somewhat a part of the establishment but we are talking just barely. He's really pretty far left for the Democratic Party.

Trump is eye ball deep in establishment. He's been playing the game for 40+ years. He can blabble all he wants but it is what it is. So even on the "anti-establishment" scale I don't see it.

All I see in that one is anyone but Hillary. No one on the DU would go Trump. That's ridiculous.

[Bonobo]

31. Will this be self-deleted to along with all the other ones today? nt

[Live and Learn]

38. Good question. nt

[charlespercydemocrat]

32. uncomfortable

They are uncomfortable with the idea of a woman president.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. I would have to agree with this assessment. nt

[Lochloosa]

42. So that is what this is about? Really?

As a member of this community I take that as a personal insult.

No other comment.

[lob1]

36. I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat.

[Fearless]

52. No one on DU is uncomfortable with a woman president.

Full stop.

[SusanCalvin]

33. I don't. Can't speak for anyone else. nt

[ejbr]

35. Must really be intent

on voting for someone who isn't bought. Crazy, but that is all I can see.

[Indepatriot]

39. There's a special place in hell for any man that doesn't support Bernie...

[Fearless]

53. That was some fun gender stereotyping right there

Sexism is really in poor taste. Maybe try a different approach?

[Indepatriot]

57. Merely using Madeleine Albright's statement regarding women who don't vote for Hillary and applying

it to Sanders. The point is to emphasize the sexist nature of Albright's statement. I'm wondering when an HRC supporter is going to renounce Albright's gender stereotyping.

[elias49]

40. Because of ignorance.

You know

That's life.

[RBInMaine]

43. INSANE! JUST INSANE! This is what happens when people are fundamentalist.

It is all about "anti establishment" for this FOOL and not about actual policy positions. And anyone who thinks Clinton is a "criminal" is INSANE, STUPID, or BOTH.

[aikoaiko]

44. There is a certain voter who just wants to throw out all the usual politicians

[SheilaT]

45. Speaking only for myself,

I will not go from supporting Bernie to voting for Trump. Anyone who would do so, is a total idiot and hasn't a clue about what the issues are or what the particular candidates actually stand for.

[JRLeft]

46. I work with a lot of Trump supporters. They respect Bernie but won't vote for him.

They despise Hillary. There is one Hillary supporter, and she says she will vote republican if Bernie is the nominee, because he would raise taxes on her

[Fearless]

51. Why don't you ask this hypothetical person that question?

You know, instead of trying to threaten them into voting for Hillary? Clearly that isn't going to work.

[Cali_Democrat]

56. How did I threaten anyone?

I asked a question.

[Recursion]

58. I'll catch hell for this, but: Sanders is good with low-information voters

It's why I'm leaning towards him at this point because there's likely to be a ton of them this cycle.

(And no, that doesn't mean "every Sanders supporter is an LIV", though if you automatically went there...)

[Live and Learn]

67. You won't catch hell from me. It is true. All of them know about Hillary and many don't like her.

Bernie is new to them and some of his policies resonate with them once they hear them.

[jillan]

59. Why don't you ask her.

[loyalsister]

69. Emotional voters respond to both candidates

Trump says what they want to say, Bernie says what he say how they would like to say it. Who knows what they really think.
I think they are responding to one candidate who says F-U to the people some blame, and the other says it to the people they should blame.