We need not honor Republicans by posting their garbage.

[rbrnmw]

Whether you support Clinton or Sanders posting RW smears only helps them advance their message. I as a lifelong Democrat refuse to help them in any way, shape, or form. Let's debate the issues without helping out Republicans, by advancing their message here.

[jeff47]

1. Little problem with this plea.

A whole lot of documented facts are labeled right-wing smears.

[OilemFirchen]

3. Like what?

TIA.

[jeff47]

4. As a very recent example is the push-back against the actual quote

by Albright about a special place in Hell for women who don't vote for Clinton. The literal quote is apparently a smear.

[OilemFirchen]

5. I'm not following.

The "smear" is the rewriting of the quote to specifically mention Clinton. The actual quote is fine, and attempting to use it as a cudgel is foolish.

[jeff47]

10. Which is part of the problem - deliberately ignoring the facts

Here's the actual quote.

It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.

So...are the listeners supposed to have forgotten about the first two sentences by the time they hear the third?

[Bluenorthwest]

25. Cake and eat it too rules always apply with that crowd, they get to both say it and not say it.

nt

[OilemFirchen]

28. What crowd?

TIA.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

45. This one?

[OilemFirchen]

46. A fictional TV show crowd?

Is that a thing? Do they post here?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. Some admire their school of thought.

[OilemFirchen]

51. I see.

I've always been more of a Bob Newhart school-of-thought person, but whatever.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

54. I like the movie "My Fellow Americans" myself....

Everyone needs to chill.

[OilemFirchen]

26. Context is critical, of course.

I honestly could not give a tinker's damn about this latest outrage. In the limited context you've provided, I think it's safe to say that she's speaking to Clinton's advocay for women. But I don't have a conspiratorial mind, so perhaps you're right.

[jeff47]

29. So you're claiming the listeners should not put together three adjacent sentences

And then proceed to attack an accurate quote as a conspiracy.

You are a perfect example of how the OP's plea is failing.

[OilemFirchen]

30. Listeners are welcome to do as they please.

If they're parsing for outrage, they'll never be disappointed. If they're doing so for confirmation, likewise.

Thanks for the insult, though.

[Hortensis]

70. Jejj47 I suggest ONLY honest facts be imported.

Where most right-wing sites are concerned, of course, that will require leaving the "interpretation" smearing Hillary and the Democratic Party behind where it belongs. But for most of those importing this stuff, of course, any actual facts are just the cherries on the top.

[jeff47]

71. No "import" required. I supplied an accurate quote.

It's still treated as a smear/conspiracy theory.

That is why the OP's plea can not come to fruition.

[Plucketeer]

49. The Ostritch manuver is not wise

Know thy enemy and know them well.
Use that knowledge to blow them to.....

[OilemFirchen]

52. Just for clarification, since this wasn't directed at me...

am I Jeff's "enemy"?

[Plucketeer]

55. I was talking about the REPUBLICANS

We can't just pretend they're not here.

[OilemFirchen]

58. Okay, thanks. (n/t)

[rbrnmw]

6. Did I say everything is a RW smear?

No I did not. I said we shouldn't post RW smears here.

[jeff47]

15. Did I say everything is a RW smear?

Nope. I said there are people who consider anything that does not help their candidate to be a right-wing smear.

[rbrnmw]

27. OK we are cool then

[cyberswede]

7. I think readers can tell the difference.

[jeff47]

14. Not seeing much evidence of that from many individuals. (nt)

[Bubzer]

57. I genrally agree... but I think there are also those who will be intellectually dishonest about it.

Get enough people being intellectually dishonest about something and it will muddy the waters.

[JTFrog]

72. Not on DU they can't.

This place is full of recycled right wingery these days.

[ancianita]

8. Lay out the facts, then, and not the snotty Repub rhetoric that usually accompanies them.

[jeff47]

12. Just look above for how that works.

Albright's actual quote is a right-wing smear now. Just one example of many.

[Gothmog]

2. Agreed

[RiverLover]

9. If its the TRUTH, I don't care whether the RW is running w/ it or not. Corruption should be stopped

Both parties.

[rbrnmw]

17. If it's the truth then you should be able to find a non RW source

[2pooped2pop]

32. Most of the shit on Clinton has passed into common knowledge.

They don't have anything on Bernie so basically you appear to be saying "leave Hillary alone"

[Bubzer]

60. The problem I have with this is the notion that dems have a corner on truth.

We don't. We have plenty of liars in our own party. Hillary is one of em. I'm not going to disparage a new source if it's accurate.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. So Clinton praising Kissinger is out now?

He's right wing garbage.

[rbrnmw]

13. I said neither side should help them

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. So Kissinger's accolades of Clinton are kool now?

this is confusing.

[rbrnmw]

24. As long as the source isn't originated from a RW source

I'm cool with it. Hillary can defend herself on that.

[MoonRiver]

16. Should not be allowed. eom

[rbrnmw]

20. exactly

[MoonRiver]

22. And thanks for bringing up the subject! Needs to be talked about a lot more.

[demwing]

18. What are you talking about - can you be specific?

I'd like to know which facts are considered "rbrnmw approved," and which facts are considered "RW Smears"

[rbrnmw]

21. anything against Bernie or Hillary

that only has a RW source.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. And who is the judge, you? Yesterday I was in a thread attacking Bernie using the Chicago Tribune

The OP claimed the Tribune is not right wing because they endorsed Obama but the Tribune clearly says even in their endorsement of Obama that they are conservative and always have been, this endorsement was about the ideals of Lincoln and the fact that Palin was unacceptable to them.

So are they right wing because they say they are or moderate because they once endorsed a Democrat in a history over a hundred and fifty years long?

Lots of religious matter gets posted on DU that is to me stone cold right wing fascism. I do not seek to sensor because I am capable of responding to such ignorance.

[rbrnmw]

37. I agree with that I don't think attacks against Bernie are fair either.

The religious stuff is wrong too. I wish it wasn't posted here.

[fbc]

33. So no posting of Hillary Clinton's actual record?

I would agree that it's republican garbage, but she is running for the democratic nomination so I think we should be able to reference it.

[rbrnmw]

34. then find a main stream source

and I'm cool with it.

[Bubzer]

61. What if its a video of actual events posted by a RW source?

See, I don't care if its from a RW source or not, if it's verifiably factual. I don't agree with source shaming, as it leads to the oft-used false claims that insert-media-source-here is RW and therefore should not be used.

Source should be irrelevant so long as its verifiable.

[rbrnmw]

69. then there will be a mainstream source

video can be edited, so as not to show the whole picture.

[Metric System]

35. Scrolling through the thread, I'm not surprised to see Sanders supporters arguing with the OP.

[SidDithers]

68. +1...nt

Sid

[99Forever]

36. Should we send our posts to you for prior approval before posting them?

[rbrnmw]

38. nope didn't say that at all

I just don't want to help Republicans tia

[99Forever]

40. Actually you did, just not in so many words.

Precisely how would be know if a source is a "rbrnmw approved" one, if we don't allow you to pre-censor our posts?

I don't "want to help Republicans" either, that's why I am an unabashed, unrelenting Bernie Supporter.

[William769]

39. Kick & very highly recommended!

[swilton]

41. Thank you for posting this

Years ago, I posted a similar comment/observation about giving Sarah Palin -even though she was McCain's running mate- any air time.

It not only distracts from the issues at hands, it rewards the SENSATIONALIST press.

Please continue these insightful observations.

[maddiemom]

42. WAIT...this idea smacks of...censorship?

What if one out of one hundred of these assholes (probably an overly hopeful percentage) actually learned something from a reasoned rebuttal? Have RW smears any hope of traction on this site? Not likely, so what's the harm? I often check out rabid RW sites, and have yet to have a change of mind...but I HAVE experienced the perspectives of the "other side," and that's all good.

[OilemFirchen]

48. It smacks of following the rules on a private discussion board.

If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.

[maddiemom]

74. Did you flag it and go through the process? (Just catching up with the week).

[Bad Dog]

56. RW smears about Moslems

seem to have quite a lot of traction.

[Iliyah]

43. K & R

[marble falls]

44. True that, because between Hillary and Bernie we have the two best choices.

[rbrnmw]

50. we sure do and I don't

want either going into the GE with RW smears approved and promoted by Democrats. We are all intelligent enough to argue without helping Republican fools.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

53. Hear hear. I have not seen "gotcha" politics practiced to this extreme betw Dems before - makes me

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honestly wonder if there's provocateurs in our midst, fanning the flames.

And the "some people say" bs - that's straight out of Fox news school of journalism. Tell me who said what, exactly, and the complete context of what they said.

[LW1977]

59. K&R and a big thank you to the OP!

Grow up Bernie bros!

[mcar]

62. +100000

[Lisa D]

63. K&R!

[Todays_Illusion]

64. Thanksd for this rbrnmw, I cringe when I see the conservative attacks posted here if they

want to post that garbage on DU, let them have create their own little forum for it.

[Bobbie Jo]

65. Case in point

This RW ratfucker was just escorted from the building for pushing this kind of garbage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1164642

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=329052&sub=trans

28 recs.

[olddots]

66. I have obtained great joy

in ignoring you .

[SidDithers]

67. DU rec...nt

Sid

[rbrnmw]

73. kicking for exposure