The real Democratic primary poll THE LATINO VOTE

[William769]

Clinton also enjoys a significant lead in the contention for the nomination of her own Democratic Party. Of the Hispanic voters interviewed, 73% state that they would vote for her, while none of her Democratic rivals approaches showing double digits. Of those interviewed, 68% have a favorable opinion of the former Secretary of State, 26% have an unfavorable opinion, and only 6% do not know her or have not formed an opinion about her, according to Univision’s exclusive survey. In contrast, 68% do not know or have not formed an opinion about Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, Clinton’s nearest opponent in the battle for the Democratic nomination, and 74 per cent do not know or have no opinion about former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley, another important Democratic rival for Clinton. Joe Biden, who has not yet declared his candidacy, receives a favorable opinion from 50% of Hispanic voters. But even he has problems among this voter constituency. Despite having been Vice President of the United States for well over six years, 24% of Hispanic voters do not know who he is or have not yet formed an opinion about him.

http://huelladigital.univisionnoticias.com/the-latin-vote/

So much for the photo shopped thread.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

1. Holy fuck. The reporter should be fired. I cannot believe they distorted the information.

This is some sick stuff.

[arely staircase]

4. I cant wait for the Southern and western primaries. nt

[Starry Messenger]

12. He was actually fired a few years ago from Think Progress

Now he trolls Twitter and pretends to be a journalist.

http://m.jpost.com/International/White-House-troubled-by-anti-Semitic-think-tank#article=0NkY0QUYxMzRGQUUyMzAwNUNEMzc5QTUwRTIxQUEyQTA=

[morningfog]

43. They didn't:

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

You just believed what you wanted to believe.

Can't wait for Nevada.

[George II]

58. That is completely different from the graphic that was posted in the OP in question.

[bravenak]

2. Wow!

[morningfog]

42. Wow indeed:

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

[azmom]

3. This is viejo.

[lunamagica]

6. But it was the last poll done.

[azmom]

8. Things change fast in elections.

Bernie is getting a lot of support now.

[lunamagica]

11. Things change, but there has not been any new data reported

I expect that the polls will tighten, but not enough for him to win. Just my POV, because, again, there aren't any new polls on this

[Glamrock]

5. Heads up!

Article is from July 2015

[azmom]

9. Yep. Ancient in terms of polls.

[William769]

10. And it's not photo shopped!

[Glamrock]

14. Cool man,

I'm not being snarky...and I don't know what you're talking about. Just noticed it's 7 months old...

[kristopher]

13. Yep. Link to the poll pdf with date

http://huelladigital.univisionnoticias.com/the-latin-vote/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/VOTO-HISPANO-BENDIXENAMANDI.pdf

Interviews June 12-June 25 2015

[azmom]

15. Biden was still being included.

These numbers don't stand today.

[beam me up scottie]

17. LOLOLOL! My they ARE desperate.

[William769]

22. Desperate would be posting a photo shopped poll.

And we all know who did that.

[beam me up scottie]

23. No I'm pretty sure posting an old poll and not including the date qualifies as desperate.

And we all know who did that.

[William769]

24. It's all in the link I posted.

To bad the photo shopped one does not have a link. I wonder why?

[beam me up scottie]

26. But you didn't include it so your intention was to mislead. You even called it THE REAL POLL!!1!

The real Democratic primary poll THE LATINO VOTE

Isn't that your title?

Nice try but this isn't your group, you tried to pull a fast one out here in the big league and you were called on it.

[artislife]

50. You remind me of someone else who would never acknowledge an error

His name was George and he lead a country into a war with false information. Purposely.

[ismnotwasm]

69. Say what?

Dude...

[PatrynXX]

68. yeah considering todays univision poll had Bernie Way up and Hill way way down. tides are turning

against fake Dems

[lunamagica]

7. It's an old poll, but since Univision has not done another, it is also the most recent one.

[morningfog]

41. Here:

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

[lunamagica]

47. Univision has not reported anything about this

[peggysue2]

16. What, What???

Did I not just read a headline post at DU stating that the Latino vote was turning to Saint Bernard? Only thing, I could not find any verification of the poll so listed. Beyond the one stated above: overwhelming support for Hillary Clinton. Oh my.

So, we're into magical numbers, wishful thinking and invented polling for a candidate touted as noble and pure and beyond reproach.

I suspect Sanders supporters are not doing the man any favors with their hyperbolic comments. Earlier today, I read about John Lewis being trashed for his vocal support of the Clintons. That includes Hillary, btw. Now we have mythical polls being cited.

Thank you, William for setting the record right. The time for vetting of facts and claims is at hand.

Hillary 2016!

[William769]

18. Welcome to DU.

[Hortensis]

25. How can you doubt a poll that adds up to 100%?

None of those sloppy numbers.

[artislife]

53. Poll June 2015. Old stagnant numbers.

Que lastima'...heh

[Hortensis]

78. Not so bad as all that. Public opinion is always

in flux, but it seems reasonable to assume that these months Sanders spent mostly talking to liberal whitey-white IA and NH voters will not have changed national Latino attitudes all that much. Less "Quien?," more interest in the possibility of another option, though.

[artislife]

79. I marvel at the extent h supporters will spin

Now this really isn't "reality based" thinking, is it now?


Think about it. You are trying to defend an 8 month old poll as valid. As valid.




Latinos don't follow the primaries unless they have the candidate in front of them? BS.

I think me and my community paid attention to the whole Abuela thing plus, even if some of the country doesn't think we are legal citizens, we DO. This being involved in multiple issues and the vetting process is not a quote you "whitey-white" action.

As I think about it, I get more offended.

[Hortensis]

81. That was my honest evaluation, Artislife,

not spin, Artislilfe, which is more than I can say for your surprisingly twisted version of what I said.

Over the years we have lost track of all our close Hispanic friends in California, died off, divorced, moved, remarried and changed names, children grew up and lifestyles changed, etc., and I miss their viewpoints -- and those of their relatives, who often spoke of things like knees destroyed from all their years working the fields, disapproval of those here illegally and resentment at being classed with them in conservative minds, etc.

But notably, they did have viewpoints, strong, usually pragmatic ones. They were both mainstream and outside of it and weren't such easy marks for a zippy campaign commercial or two. They also trended conservative, even when registered Democrat; and even those who were liberals tended to be moderate. They did tend to be strongly conformist, overall, most refusing to let their children speak Spanish, and I've wondered how much that might have changed.

Those still around and observing will still be much the same today, though, no big, frivolous swings from candidate to candidate. I don't know what your "community" is like, but mine mostly settled on their preferences as a group early on, with few "renegades." Many probably didn't vote, even of those who could, but it wasn't because they were too dizzy from swinging back and forth with each commercial or campaign promise.

All a way of saying I'd expect today's versions to be interested in Bernie and some to have decided to support him, but the data in that poll to still be more reflective of today's positions than otherwise. More Bernie, but still mostly valid.

Btw, Hillary IS an abuela and already had another nieta on the way when she made that remark. It was taken uncharitably by many, not without reason, though especially by some who already didn't like her, but I'm sure she was also speaking from her heart. This woman, a Yale Law grad who chose as her specialty the despised orphan child of the legal profession -- family and child law -- is a long-time believer in family and that "it takes a village." And she loves being a grandma.

[artislife]

82. 2nd generation Latina here.

I think if you replace Latino for African American in your post, you might be able to hear it.

And you were still trying to deflect a poll that was 8 months old.

It is all kind of dishonest and deflection.


ETA: My community? Let me start with my brother and his girlfriend. They have been fighting on the legal side against ICE and all the immigration crap thrown not only at the Latino population but at South Asians, Middle Easterners, and Africans for decades. They have marched and rallied at least 5 times a year. They bring in health care to at risk populations. So the Latinos who are close to me are "radical", the are engaged and do not want the same old same old and most of them are not tied to the Catholic Church. That was my grandmother. She stayed with an incredible abusive man because she didn't realize this was the Hell everyone was warning her about.

The rhetoric of the last ten years against the Latino population has been pretty vile. We have only just recently been replace by "Jihadists on our soil" as the boogie man. Trump didn't come up with something new, he just tapped into it.

This is why I feel a kinship especially for all the brown people who get shit, like Sikhs, Muslims, Guatemalans. Moroccans etc. Because we are all interchangeable and easily targeted for someoneelse's agenda.

You seem to really highlight the generational divide.

[sheshe2]

45. Welcome to DU

Peggysue!

[Kurovski]

51. Look who got a new job today!

I, um, oh never mind.

[morningfog]

19. Yeah, that's from June 2015. Quite stale.

It even includes Biden, lol.

[William769]

20. At least it's not misleading or dishonest.

[morningfog]

21. Well it is misleading to post it in Feb 2016 without mentioning its age.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Yes it was.

But it's not the Hillary group so it didn't work.

[Motown_Johnny]

28. It is both. Those are not accurate amd you present them

as if they are.

[William769]

30. Funny how you all are not a bit concerned with the photo shopped poll in GDP.

Sorry I have caused so much butt hurt.

Have a nice day.

[Motown_Johnny]

31. I have trouble with all dishonest posts

Funny how easily you rationalize being dishonest.

[artislife]

54. No, you are misleading and dishonest by trying to pass this off.

Guess what? Hillary was leading back in January 2015 and she is free falling.

[Motown_Johnny]

27. Isn't that about 6 months old? The poll has Biden in it

Don't you think things have changed since then?

[morningfog]

32. But it's the REAL poll, lol.

[Sheepshank]

33. It may be older, but it's the most recent HONEST post on this matter....meanwhile...

BSers making up shit. And the repetitive attempts to justify a big fat whopping fucking lie is quite amusing in its desperation to appear relevant.

[morningfog]

40. Wrong.

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

Damn that stings.

[DCBob]

44. Those numbers dont match what was posted in that other thread.

??

[morningfog]

49. I don't have an answer for that. But this link is

Much more recent than the numbers in this OP.

I think the other OP grabbed the image from somewhere in good faith and the numbers are likely act mutate considering the Jan 20 numbers and the trend.

[Mnpaul]

72. Yes, it does

but not in the picture graphic. If you look at the purple bar graph below it shows the numbers reflected in the twitter post. That chart represents the January 20 numbers.

[lunamagica]

48. Univision has not said a word about this poll.

[riversedge]

34. I missed the photo shopped thread.

[William769]

36. I'll PM you the link.

[sheshe2]

46. Pm it to me as well please

TIA!!!!

[artislife]

55. Why don't you look at this one..it is a snapshot of a better time for you all.

I love how a handful of you cannot admit this is disingenuous.

[sheshe2]

59. Thank you for your concern.

So kind of you.

Me, I stick with William.

[artislife]

60. Peas in a pod.

Truth doesn't matter.

Authenticity is beyond the grasp here.

[sheshe2]

61. Mirror?

I am sure you have one.

[artislife]

62. But I don't break it when I look into it. nt

[sheshe2]

64. Sadly you don't see things reflected back at you. nt

[artislife]

65. I see this very clearly

You are cheering someone on who has presented an old poll from over 6 months ago instead of just admitting that he thought it was a new one and misposted. People who cannot admit a mistake are often too proud to acknowledge any weakness. They do this, not understanding this is one of the top weaknesses to have.

"I did not have sex with that woman"
" They have weapons of mass destruction"
"Dewey has been defeated."
and one old, stagnant poll from June of last year.

[sheshe2]

70. I see clearly as well.

Hill supporters are not welcome here. We got that loud and clear. I have things I could say to make my case. Politely and respectively. Sadly I will get a hide. We sneeze and we get a hide.

I find it amusing the rants that say Hill supporters will not have a discussion and will not make their case. Why bother. You have given us hide after hide which results in time out. How can we speak? Then we come back and you hide us again and again.

Sadly this is not an Democratic board. Only the majority has a voice.

Do you not find that sad?

[artislife]

73. Deflection from posting an old poll and then trying make it about something else

Where have I seen this move before?


Oh yeah.

[sheshe2]

74. I knew you would not address my point.

Thanks.

FYI who the hell cares if it is old, it is still on point.

Where have I seen this before.......


Hells bells you all say Bernie marched with Martin 40 some years ago. That is so old.

[artislife]

75. I didn't take the deflection bait? oh noes.

I am bored with this now...adios.

[sheshe2]

77. Bwahaahahahahahahahhaha

Bye

[m-lekktor]

66. they have been PROVEN WRONG down thread yet they titter away

with their lie. no surprise with these two if you have been around awhile. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

[artislife]

67. Yup.. very telling action. nt

[morningfog]

39. He's wrong. It isn't a Photoshop.

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

He just didn't like the results.

[m-lekktor]

35. Thanks for the up to date poll though I am sorry to see Biden's low percentage!!

[TubbersUK]

37. Is this poll from last summer ? n/t

[morningfog]

38. Not a photoshop. PLUNK!

http://hispanic-vote.corporate.univision.com/hispanic-vote/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/PAG_Tracker_Jan_20_2016.pdf

[m-lekktor]

52. Thank you! so the OP is full of SHIT!! nt

[artislife]

57. This is the funniest OP I have seen in awhile

[zentrum]

63. Clinton's Prison Reform

….Bill that she supported and advocated for, falls disproportionately on Latino and AA communities because the system was taken out of Federal control and turned over to the states. Do you know what happened to minorities in the South? Guess.

The same with the Clinton Welfare Reform Bill. Even though more white families are on welfare than minority families, AA and Latino families were hit harder because the "strict" guidelines fell more harshly on these families.

Why do people keep voting against they own best self interest?

[ram2008]

71. Leave it to a Hillary supporter to cite a poll from 7 months ago and pass it as if its something new

What a misleading tactic and thread.

[jeff47]

76. So polls from July 2015 are now considered current? (nt)

[Kentonio]

80. Writes op complaining about misleading polls

Includes different misleading poll..

[JackBeck]

83. Has this photo "controversy" been settled, as well?

Or does some doubt still exist about the veracity of these claims?