2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWow! David Brock's Blue Nation slamming Bernie supporters over John Lewis. Hateful stuff there.
I have never been in a campaign in which the supporters of a candidate were treated with such disregard and disdain.
It wasn't pleasant being a Deaniac, but this is far worse.
I do not think John Lewis should have said what he did about not remembering Bernie. It made it sound like he was questioning his honesty. He should have just endorsed Hillary.
Here's the page from David Brock's newly acquired Blue Nation Review. Don't forget to read the comments. Some are almost threats.
NEW LOW: Civil Rights Legend John Lewis Getting Trolled by Bernie Supporters
By Leela Daou
February 11, 2016
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Positively mind-numbing to see anyone trying to question the integrity or judgment of a giant like Rep. John Lewis. See the instant outcry below (and weve included a few heinous examples to illustrate how low these trolls will go).
Jose Antonio Vargas
✔
@joseiswriting
You best not come for John Lewis. Regardless of whom u support (#feelthebern or #ImWithHer) do not come for the walking hero.
12:15 PM - 11 Feb 2016
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omar durazo @duraznomar
whew, if ppl try to come for john lewis #onhere guys, theres a chance today could be really unpleasant.
12:59 PM - 11 Feb 2016
mani Gandy
?@AngryBlackLady
John Lewis who got his ass beat in the 60s by cops is establishment bc he's in Congress, but Sanders who's also in Congress isn't?
The jig.
I will not quote some of the others.
I am sad to see the racism and smears about Bernie's honesty that are going on right now.
There is no need for it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Imani Gandy is very well known and also very knowledgeable. This is bad for sanders.
randys1
(16,286 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)sheshe2
(83,833 posts)This image tortures me.
Indeed, Tragic!
Have you ever seen people treated this way?..................
John had other things on his mind back then.
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Amelia Boynton Robinson
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I just don't understand why he would make it sound like Bernie's not honest when Bernie never claimed to be in the South during this time. He only said he was in DC at the march.
Why would Lewis do this? He's a respected man, why treat Bernie's efforts as less?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Actually, I thought that was everyone's right, not privilege.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)They slammed his FB page when his endorsement was announced. It was quite the scene.
Some folks even had the gall to call his office to harass.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This time the abuse on facebook is worse to me. Sad.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Uh uh uh. Mm mm mm. Shameful shit.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)it, the Shit is awful.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It will be another somebody tomorrow. The next day. This is just sad
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)And it shows
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)much anger and visceral activity. Republicans got this.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am watching that too i love the fights
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Him and carly? Lolololol! Him and bushie, roflmbao. Lordy! Carson be stuck like he's trapped in an elevator, hahaha!
sheshe2
(83,833 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)mcar
(42,356 posts)It sickens me.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Makes me sad
mcar
(42,356 posts)I've been so sad seeing this board today.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)You are accusing AngryBlackLady and others of racism?
boston bean
(36,223 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)If so, please stop.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)I speak the ugly truth.
senz
(11,945 posts)Why drag outside dirt in here?
boston bean
(36,223 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)so why drag it in here? For all you know, it was said by a Republican or someone trying to stir up trouble for their own political reasons. Um-hm.
There's no reason to drag something disgusting in from the street so you can stand around and point at it. It doesn't contribute anything to what we do here. We're all fully aware that there's a big ugly world out there.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)I will post what I want when I want within the rule of this site. I do not take orders from other members.
Hope that settles your concerns.
mcar
(42,356 posts)In the same article excerpted above.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)his attack dog role. I am hearing some in the campaign are not happy with him.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)any excuse to bully eh Boston Bean? typical
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)riversedge
(70,264 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)He'll only back off if it reaps negative dividends, and Camp Weathervane's slow to perceive that the attacks are likely to rebound on the campaign.
Broward
(1,976 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Imagine what she'd buy with DONOR dollars!
Broward
(1,976 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)blame this on Bernie. Guess he there's nothing he won't do. I've got to stop reading his crap, my feelings about all this is really turning into some serious, serious negative feelings.
I'm flabbergasted at how her campaign is being run and I thought last time was bad. Fangs and claws seem to be amped up now.
Don't know how Bernie stands this onslaught by them. All we can do is keep fighting for him and hope people see through this. I just don't know.
Breaks my heart.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Team Clinton keeps quality company.
onecaliberal
(32,878 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:09 PM - Edit history (1)
There will be no nose holding. I will never ever be for her. I cannot in good conscience support someone so completely slimy and morally bankrupt, someone who would say this about a man who has worked his whole life for others. He has more integrity in his pinky fingernail than she has in her whole body, as for John Lewis, what does it say for him that he was willing to go along with this?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)then attacking Bernie's supporters when they speak out.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Suddenly nobody can respond to it without "Attacking a civil rights icon".
You can't make this stuff up. No low is too low for the Clinton Crew.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)throwing out racial slurs and being ugly. I doubt there would be this kind of response or backlash against Sanders' people if the only criticism of Lewis was directed at what he said.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And that makes me sad.
So do you suggest we never mention it?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You know as well as me or better.
I'm not sure but from a campaign strategy point of view maybe it would be better to focus on positives like that new Erica Garner.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I don't want to hurt Bernie's campaign by giving an opinion. I am feeding into one of Hillary's main talking points...how bad we Bernie supporters are. Well, damn.
Guess I'd better hush up.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You've got every right to speak as well. That's what web forums are for right?
It's not like DU is going to determine the election or anything.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I really appreciate your posts, they are some of the best, do your thing madfloridian
Chezboo
(230 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Maybe she's too stupid to realize that a lot of Bernie supporters are sick of her and will stay home.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Even thought the whole thing is horrid.
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)SO so sorry.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)being criticized and then plays into their whole racist meme. So probably better to just let it die and keep the issues at the forefront.
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)racial attacks for months to come. And then of course if she wins the nomination she will expect the party to come together again like 2008. She keeps these tactics up and there won't be any coming together after the nomination. People will get tired of being abused.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)He's gonna fight back.
And I think there's a good chance this will backfire. This might be the opportunity to highlight Bernie's civil rights record, and where exactly Hillary was then and what she was doing when Bernie was being arrested.
We'd better hope that Bernie campaign is tough.
Peregrine Took
(7,416 posts)reminds me of the lies and distortions Swiftboater's put up against Kerry and, were later discredited.
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,101730_1,00.html
Vile people. I wouldn't believe anything that came from Brock. Recall the Anita Hill book......
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)This is not coming from them.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I am so distressed about this. I can't understand why John Lewis chose to say what he did, and it is bewildering to see someone of his stature do something like this. The intent of his statement is clear, and those of us who are offended by untruths are attacked for daring to speak against John Lewis, who is an icon. Even if you say you consider him a hero for his work in civil rights. I just don't see why that should give him a pass on any criticism.
appalachiablue
(41,159 posts)this week, Ben Jealous (last week by phone), Ta-Nehisi Coates, Harry Belafonte. Not to mention Nevada and South Carolina coming soon. Why not a month or two ago, or last summer? Seems strange to me as well as sad.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)are pretty right-wing.
They just aren't professed-Republican right-wing.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)is to do everything possible to take attention away from the issues, on which his candidate loses 100 out of 100 times. The truth is there for all to see.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That's a disgusting thing Brock is doing.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)is just state that either:
1) No, John Lewis wasn't at this or that civil rights event that he was
OR
2) Say, that he couldn't possibly have seen him, given where he was in the crowd, etc. Maybe Bernie couldn't physically see him there either?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Nothing would surprise me any more.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)He's buying up his own media outlets.
riversedge
(70,264 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)riversedge
(70,264 posts)Vile is the word I said and the word I meant:
vile
vīl/
adjective
adjective: vile; comparative adjective: viler; superlative adjective: vilest
extremely unpleasant.
"he has a vile temper"
synonyms: foul, nasty, unpleasant, bad, disagreeable, horrid, horrible, dreadful, abominable, atrocious, offensive, obnoxious, odious, unsavory, repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, loathsome, hateful, nauseating, sickening; More
disgraceful, appalling, shocking, sorry, shabby, shameful, dishonorable, execrable, heinous, abhorrent, deplorable, monstrous, wicked, evil, iniquitous, nefarious, depraved, debased;
contemptible, despicable, reprehensible;
informalgross, godawful, lowdown, lousy;
archaicscurvy
"a vile smell"
antonyms: pleasant
morally bad; wicked.
"as vile a rogue as ever lived"
archaic
of little worth or value.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I probably shouldn't have gone there, anyway.
We are in the thick of primary season, that doesn't mean we should be ugly to each other. I apologize for the snark.
Fellow Democrat, you are just as important as anybody else in the constituency.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)There is no such thing as a "vile".
Aerows
(39,961 posts)This is the standard "whisper out loud" type of games the Clinton campaign is currently playing.
This right here, diving deep into the ditch and slinging crap around at this early in the game reflects much more poorly on her own campaign than her manufactured "crisis" every could.
She might as well release a "Bernie Sex Tape - Revealed" statement for all the good it is doing her.
Maybe she will release footage of him putting quarters into the Salvation Army bucket and declare that he is too stingy? Maybe he donated a pallet of no-name brand dog food to the animal shelter, and that's bad?
Some are trying to drag everything down to a debased and ugly level and then pull us into it.
It's a game and shouldn't be tolerated.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)to be people threatening anybody who dares to troll Lewis.
Not one example there of anybody trolling Lewis
riversedge
(70,264 posts)weekend Sanders told them to stop it. I think he needs to say it again.
Tweet:
Janice Barandes ?@Boomerbabe3 3h3 hours ago
@winner2016nh @Mamas_Spot @joanwalsh @CelinaGMusic its Bernies job to shut this down. Let's see if he has the integrity to do it.
!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Very interesting that is.
senz
(11,945 posts)Invent your very own kerfluffle and then ask Bernie to repudiate his own supporters.
Uh huh. Horrible little game. Everyone sees through it now.
Nice try.
No, it's not nice. Not at all.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)You say nothing...it "stands". You "correct the record" and It's On !!! It's an old Damned if you Do and Damned if you Don't. Again, sleazy divorce lawyer tactics.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Seriously, BS supporters attack and put down one of the greatest representatives we have in Congress, yet the Bernie supporters are the ones being "slammed"? Give me a break.
The double standards on DU lately are absolutely ridiculous. When it comes to Hillary, anything goes. She's been called a "bitch" here among many other names and juries let it stand every time. Yet if you state a factual observation about Bernie or dare question his vague proposals that use made-up numbers, you're "slamming" him and you're an awful person for not seeing how perfect he is.
jillan
(39,451 posts)A very sad day indeed.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)this will be ugly tonight and I feel it may blow up hrc's campaign.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)If so, how cheap.
NanceGreggs
(27,816 posts)... that BS supporters post hateful stuff?
Many of us have seen their posts on the FB pages of John Lewis, Gabby Giffords, and others because they had the gall to endorse Hillary instead of BS.
This behaviour is not new - it's been repeated over and over throughout this campaign.
"I do not think John Lewis should have said what he did about not remembering Bernie. It made it sound like he was questioning his honesty. He should have just endorsed Hillary."
Should everyone endorsing HRC check with BSers before making a statement, just to ensure they're saying what you want them to say, in the way you want them to say it?
"It made it sound like he was questioning his honesty." It didn't 'sound' that way to me at all.
Let's not forget that one of Bernie's supporters, Cornell West, called Obama "the niggerized president", among other things. Maybe you should concern yourself with what your own candidate's endorsers say before insisting that John Lewis should speak in accordance with your wishes.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yeah they know. Why wont you just pretend none of that happened? So mean.
You are hurting bernie and making everybody miserable. Stop noticing the bad stuff you just want him to lose. The bus is coming.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And when they shat on Planned Parenthood and Sybrina Fulton's FB pages too.
So I guess some are just continuing the disingenuous ridiculousness that it's everybody's fault but the people actually doing the shitty, mortifying, counter productive behavior.
NanceGreggs
(27,816 posts)... acknowledge that Bernie is always the victim.
It's amazing to watch how Senator "I've never run a dirty campaign" Sanders is more than happy to have his supporters run a dirty campaign for him, while feigning ignorance of their well-documented behaviour.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)"matriarch", and another Conservative who complains about "dopey Sanders voters." I'm guessing Brock is assuming he can just make stuff up and people will believe him. I guess some people really don't care about the truth at all.
Edit: Just checked another "supporter," who has a tweet saying that Democrats need a reality check and there's nothing decent about socialism or socialist. So the Clinton campaign is straight up lying and saying that conservatives who dislike Sanders are his supporters. I wonder how many of the "Bernie Bros" we hear about are random people online who don't like Sanders but get labelled as his supporters because they say something nasty. I mean, seriously; this is just straight up lying.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)With all this card playing, they might find good jobs in Vegas.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The bros are out of control again. This gutter kind of politics might play well on twitter and reddit.
Let's see how it plays in SC and super tuesday states.
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)There is a lot of ugliness about, but it is not on the part of those who denounce ugly comments toward Lewis.
None of those comments you site are ugly. They are commenting on the hatefulness that is made evident anytime any public figure has the audacity to criticize Sanders or support Clinton.
Here is an example of the discourse being so unfairly smeared by the awful Americans who dare to respect John Lewis.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1345493
FB: https://www.facebook.com/JohnLewis/?fref=nf
You are a sell out!!!!!!! U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders is way better. The Clintons doubled the prison population by throwing black people in prisons. U. S. U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders is much better on issues that are relavant to the poor avereage american. I thaught you were inteligent. You get a perfect canidate in Sanders and you turn your back. I don'ty care what you diud in your life. If your done doing new good things then get out of the way and retire. Bernie Sanders wants to do something about mass incarceration and legalize Mariuanna. you must be getting donations from the prison industry. All you want to do is advance your career!
Twitter:
You say Lewis shouldn't have said he never met Bernie because it makes it seem like Bernie is dishonest. How dare a man who risked and nearly lost his life fighting for Civil Rights comment on who he did and didn't meet in the course of that struggle. He sacrificed himself for the right of African Americans to vote, and now you say he should not exercise his hard fought right to free speech because his rights don't extend to disagreeing with one white politician you clearly think superior? And now you insist yet again that any criticism of any behavior by Sanders supporters constitutes hatred. How dare anyone comment on foul or racist attacks. Daring to question white "progressives" and their inherent superiority is of course racist, given that white people are the most oppressed people in America, especially white men who make $80k--$300k a year. The racism toward them truly is unacceptable, clearly worse than hurling racial epithets at a Civil Rights hero, or even beating or killing black men.
This follows your relentless attacks on Black Lives Matter. That was the moment that made it difficult for Sanders to attract a majority of black supporters, and you were on the front lines on DU of making that happen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128026409
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456257
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456604
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251457765
Here is a basic point that you do not appear to understand: Your rights or views are not more important than those of people who disagree with you. Bernie Sanders is not superior to John Lewis or any other person on this planet. EVERY citizen has every right to criticize someone running for the presidency. They also have a right to vote however they damn well please. If anyone has earned that right it is John Lewis.
GumboYaYa
(5,942 posts)Things repeat themselves....one of these days a populist is going to win and we will celebrate!!!
It has been too long. It is great to see you still fighting the good fight!!!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Or have you not been posting much?
Lots of memories from back then.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)There's Howard Dean, your wife, Jeff Smith, and you are somewhere.
GumboYaYa
(5,942 posts)My two kids are on stage also. Today my daughter turns 20. Wow...time really does fly.
I have not been around much. We have been extremely busy the past several years. We bought an old church (46,000 square feet) that needed massive repairs so I spend almost all my free time working on it. My wife runs an auction company out of the building.
The whole family is getting into Bernie's campaign, so I will be here more often.
It is great to chat with you!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)My kids are older than yours, and I won't even tell you my age...
But I am sure enjoying retirement...teaching ain't what it used to be. Got 33 good years in.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)No racial issues there.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Anyone who takes that bait is going to be held up as "evidence" that all of Bernie's people are at best uncivil and at worst horrible racists, part of the wider plan to tear down "Bernie Bros." It's schmuck-bait.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)Rep. Lewis should have just stuck with endorsing Hillary, but his intentional mischaracterization of Bernie Sanders was uncalled for and smells like a typical Clinton attack line.