Why I Have Switched from Bernie to Hillary

[MrWendel]

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/11/1483752/-Why-I-Have-Switched-from-Bernie-to-Hillary

By Jhannon

I have been doing a lot of thinking lately about the presidential race. As a democratic socialist it seemed obvious to me that I would support Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race. I have followed his career, and supported him, since I first moved to Vermont in 1972. I was a member of the Liberty Union Party, for Pete's sake, and Bernie's success in Vermont politics coincided with the political and cultural changes we wanted to make as part of the "back to the land" movement that brought so many war-weary and politically alienated young people to Vermont as a place to learn and help create changes on a workable scale.

But I have had an increasingly uncomfortable feeling as I watched the campaign unfold. Bernie is talking about a political revolution in ways that make no sense to me. The American system dampens the possibility of radical change through the ballot box. There is no third party/proportional representation. I can't imagine him leading as much as a change in the majority party in the House and there is no way any of his more dramatic proposals have any chance of passing given the composition of Congress--which is very unlikely to change radically in the near/medium future. Hope and Change struck me as utopian vagueness in 2008 and Bernie is doubling down.

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[notadmblnd]

1. And we're finally back to No! We can't!

No, we can't change a god damn thing! Might as well settle. Huh?

I don't accept it.


I can't. They can't. We can't. It's a poor excuse for laziness.

[Jon Ace]

4. +1

[840high]

40. I don't accept it.

[roguevalley]

42. some people enjoy their crumbs and change

some people don't care of two or three more generations are wasted.

[madfloridian]

2. Well good for you.

Hope you will feel better.

[bravenak]

3. I did too

Better this way

[BillZBubb]

8. We know, we know, we know...give it a rest.

You're support of Sanders was about an inch deep.

[bravenak]

9. Of course it was

I do not LOVE POLITICIANS
Btw? I switched my support from Sanders to Clinton like the author

[BillZBubb]

20. As I said, we know. Your "conversion" has been a staple of your posts.

Give it a rest. You never were much of a Sanders supporter. Quit playing that tired card.

[bravenak]

22. I switched my support from Sanders to Hillary

[madfloridian]

24. Yes, we know.

You have told us many times how much you didn't like Hillary until one of us made you mad and then you had to switch to her because....

[cui bono]

27. Because she wants to troll Bernie supporters. The pm was posted. We saw it.

She admitted it all has to do with her being angry at internet people.

.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Yep.

It's all a game to some people.

[840high]

41. Yep.

[bravenak]

32. I told you why before I did it remember?

I asked you guys to stop then i switched from Sanders to Hillary

[BillZBubb]

25. No kidding? You could have fooled me. You only mentioned it like 1000 times!

But of course you never were really much of a Sanders supporter.

[bravenak]

28. Actually, I supported Sanders before Clinton

[BillZBubb]

37. Sure you did, you've only mentioned it 1,000,000 times.

I'm sure you were a real strong Sanders supporter before you switched. We all believe you.

[bravenak]

38. I was only a mild Sanders supporter until Clinton because Jill Stein is my first choice but she

cannot win so I settled for him then switched my supoort to Hillary. So really, Jill Stein should be mad.

[beam me up scottie]

5. Reads like the other posts from fake supporters who claim they switched.

We've seen plenty of that here and they're not fooling anyone. Their own histories and words betray them.

[bravenak]

11. Switching is good

[NowSam]

13. Yep. Money buys lots of "Opinions"

and endorsements. That's all I am saying.

[beam me up scottie]

14. No, some people claim they switched but never did. They're just doing it to troll.

They think we're too stupid to see them for what they are.

There was a diary posted here recently that sounded like a letter to Penthouse, that was a fun thread.

[cui bono]

31. Missed that one.

But how do you know what a letter to Penthouse sounds like?

.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Ummmm... I'm well read?

Actually someone posted it in the thread, it was hilarious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511004725

[MissDeeds]

17. That's exactly what I thought

Fake supporter and "concern" post. Spare me.

[beam me up scottie]

36. I'm sure we'll get treated to many more of these.

For what purpose I don't know but at least it's amusing. My favourites are the ones who claim they did it because of supporters.

I'm sorry, if your resolve is so weak you can be influenced by anonymous online posters then you really shouldn't be online.

[JoeyT]

43. It's not really surprising.

The faithful love nothing better than a converted heathen that's seen the light.

[BillZBubb]

6. Reading that makes me seriously doubt the writer's intellect.

So, Obama's "Hope and Change" was "utopian vagueness"??? I thought it was vague, and it was. But there was nothing utopian or foolhardy about it. President Obama made an effort to give us hope and provide needed change. For this clown to put him down for it smacks of Sarah Palin.

And of course Bernie isn't going to accomplish all he wants to with a republican congress. No one seriously expects that. That's not the point. He'll push his agenda and use the bully pulpit to pound the republicans into mush until they follow the will of the people. That's what he is offering--a real fight to achieve progressive objectives. The only way to get their is to fight all the way. That's what the DLC, third way, corporate backed conservaDems will never do.

[ejbr]

7. I hope she releases at least one of her Goldman Sachs transcripts

That may allow other Bernie supporters to give her another looksy. Or...

[berningman]

19. oh HRC will leak

a transcript of a speech that shows her in a favorable light. scream bloody murder and feign the victim, while supporters claim "see shes pure as the driven snow. its just taking longer than expected to find something innocuous.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

10. This one must have fallen and hit his head hard.

He argues against his own point???

[Justice]

12. Interesting. Was speaking with my daughter - first presidential election and

she is studying in another city with a group of politically active students. Some are even working on campaigns or for political parties.

In the past she has been for Bernie, and says many of her friends who are Democrats there are for Bernie. When I ask her why she said that they liked what he said about student loans. I wonder how much support he is getting from college students because of his position on student loans. Seriously.

Tonight she told me they all requested absentee ballots for the primaries but they now are not sure who they will be voting for. She is back and forth between Clinton and Sanders.

I am fine with her voting either way, I just really want her to vote. I could not get her to vote in our last election (Governor, Mayor) because she was "too busy."

[madfloridian]

26. Well, then if she is doubtful about Bernie..she should by all means vote for Hillary.

It would be the right thing to do.

[doc03]

15. That's the way I see too. One point Sanders brought up the other day

was Democrats win when they vote. It does seem that way, we went through the exact same thing
in 2008. Everyone fell in love with Obama and he got out the vote and yes he won. Then you look at
what happened in the off years. He has fired up the opposition more than anyone in my memory and
the Republicans took the House and within a hair of the Senate and now if we lose this one there goes
SCOTUS. We got a very flawed health care plan that most Democrats aren't happy with. So have we
really gained anything in the long run? Then there is Hillary she has so many negatives and nobody
seems to be very enthusiastic about her. All I know for sure is whoever gets nominated I will vote for
the Democrat. I have seen so many of the Sanders supporters declare they will not vote if Hillary gets
nominated. With all this I don't have much confidence we can win whoever we nominated especially if
this bad economic news keeps up.

[Doctor_J]

16. Snark. "bernie can't lead a revolution, so let's vote for a Virtual Bush"

Like most Hillarians, the author either is/was a republican, or has given up altogether

[Armstead]

18. We all die. The Universe is meaningless. Give Up.

[hollowdweller]

21. I see your point.

I don't agree with it, but at least you've thought about it.

[tularetom]

23. A least he isn't claiming that he saw Berniebros putting on their hoods en route to a KKK rally

So there is that.

[Beacool]

30. Thank you and welcome to the family.

We may be a minority on DU, but we are scrappy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Eeek!! Too liberal!! Eeek!! Vote for the not-as-bad as a Republican candidate!!

[dem in texas]

35. I love what Bernie says, but I can't believe he can win the General Election.

There's no way that his proposals will make it through a divided congress like we have now. Remember the big fight over Obamacare, remember GM (Government Motors) squabble, the bank bailouts. So many important things that Obama had to back down on to get even a little bit of legislation through. Think what will happen if Bernie were presenting his ideas to congress, talk about a fight! We'd have total shutdown again.

I voted for Obama over Hillary because of her vote to go to war in Iraq. But what we are facing now is so important that we must have a candidate that has a strong chance of winning in the general election. R. Maddow had the turnout figures for Iowa and NH primaries and in both cases, the Republicans far outdrew the Dems. The young folks may like Bernie, but they are not showing up at the polls like they should. If this happens in the general election, we are in big trouble.

We must have a Democrat win the Election. Supreme court appointments are bound to come up in the next term and we don't need another Scalia on the bench. If Ted Cruz were to win the election, you can kiss the right to have an abortion goodbye. Obamacare? All the republican candidates are vowing to abolish it. How a about a little more war? The repubs are all for that, forget about how much money would be wasted and how many people will be killed, let's just carpet bomb them until the ground glows.

I hope Hillary wins the nomination and that she names Julio Castro as her VP running mate. But, will have to wait and see. I always vote a straight Dem ticket unless there is someone who is unsavory running as the Dem, then I go back and blank out my vote for that seat, but I do not cast a vote for a repub. If JWP wins the primary in my district, will be blanking out my vote for that slot.

[Binkie The Clown]

39. Another cheerleader for Hopelessness.

If we can get enough people to feel hopeless, then they will drop out of the process and the oligarchs can rule without interference from the unwashed masses.

Yes, let's do everything we can to encourage hopelessness.