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PBS NewsHour Democratic Debate -- LIVE THREAD #1 (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2016 OP
Continue the pattern of standing behind podiums... brooklynite Feb 2016 #1
Format brooklynite Feb 2016 #2
1/60th the time Lincoln and Douglas got (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #7
Opening Statements brooklynite Feb 2016 #3
thank you, B! bettyellen Feb 2016 #86
Bernie's opening wasn't smooth firebrand80 Feb 2016 #4
It honestly was not. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #6
yep not the best, hope he Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #9
a break already? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #5
If there was a mic problem that might make sense (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #10
I see Hillary is going with #StealTheBern tonight. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #8
she got the pandering in Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #11
You said it! Steal the Bern is right! and she is full of it... tokenlib Feb 2016 #19
Hi folks, I'm bernie Sanders .... in yellow! pangaia Feb 2016 #44
That color doesn't look good on her. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #258
I agree you guys having to wear a new outfit every day. :>)) pangaia Feb 2016 #266
Opening statement SheenaR Feb 2016 #12
timing is everything. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20
"I'm running for president to knock down all the barriers that are holding Americans back," -Hillary ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #13
it is this week Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #18
*snerk* nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24
Thanks. valerief Feb 2016 #14
Hillary wants to give all a "chance." Bernie wants to give all a "right." morningfog Feb 2016 #15
this right here^^^^^^ nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #26
Question to Sanders: How big a role do you see for Federal Government? brooklynite Feb 2016 #16
Poor response by Sanders hollowdweller Feb 2016 #64
LIVE STREAM Link quantass Feb 2016 #17
He didn't answer the question... JudyM Feb 2016 #21
Woodruff and Ifill are one of the best journalists of our generation NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #22
Both are close friends of the Bush family. eom Mika Feb 2016 #120
Right away, Hillary attacks LittleBlue Feb 2016 #23
LOL! We spun it totally differently. nolabear Feb 2016 #29
Hillary is being very measured in tone, but getting right into issues. nolabear Feb 2016 #25
I call RW Talking Point! OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #27
It's not. It's an Middle America talking point NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #36
"smart, accountable" doesn't mean small OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #65
. Wig Master Feb 2016 #76
I'm not sure "No we Can't" is a good theme for Hillary as a dem. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #73
The role of government should be smart and accountable NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #28
What are your plans Hillary? FFS ViseGrip Feb 2016 #30
No one knows beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #34
I thought I was watching Star Trek when she came on stage! RKP5637 Feb 2016 #105
bernie puts to rest the "dismantle aca" bullshit restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31
"It was called Hillary Care before it was Obama Care" book_worm Feb 2016 #32
She's saying that like it existed... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #35
Moderators allowing back and forth...good idea brooklynite Feb 2016 #33
I like that too. Lets things so deeper. nolabear Feb 2016 #42
Clinton framing as support for Obama policies brooklynite Feb 2016 #37
Go Bernie! He will fight for our healthcare!!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #38
I liked it better when they asked people to refrain from clapping.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #39
Me, too. nt valerief Feb 2016 #41
because they seem to love Hillary. it is her room tonight. not that she owns them, LOL bettyellen Feb 2016 #108
nah i didn't like it last week either when they boo'd her for the 'artful smear' remark Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #156
when the cheers and boos collide it gets hella confusing! but I do like a rousing round of bettyellen Feb 2016 #163
Same here. It starts to get annoying. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #122
Oh Hill-a-ry. My my my. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #40
So far, Hillary has brought her A game, imo Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #43
I think so too. nolabear Feb 2016 #49
Universal Health Care "Coverage"? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #45
gotta feed those insurance companies restorefreedom Feb 2016 #71
The insurance companies are the big winners in the AHA. southerncrone Feb 2016 #252
Yes, which is why single payer OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #255
Absolutely! southerncrone Feb 2016 #259
He's killing it! RiverLover Feb 2016 #46
Lots of back and forth. longship Feb 2016 #47
Worse off than the ACA with Medicare for all?! PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #48
No we can't...no we can't...no we can't!!!! TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #50
Inspiring isn't it? hibbing Feb 2016 #90
Bernie's hitting his stride now. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #51
vigorous exchange on health care book_worm Feb 2016 #52
Clinton: we have to guarantee health care; we're on the path to doing that... brooklynite Feb 2016 #53
And a plan to go from there to where we want to be. nolabear Feb 2016 #60
It only requires the Republicans to pass bills boosting the ACA. jeff47 Feb 2016 #254
Why isn't Hillary acknowledging that at some point... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #54
Defending for-profit healthcare she just did it "because tradition" and WW2 elehhhhna Feb 2016 #55
Yeah, ugh. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #101
Because we're not Europe or Canada Darnit we are America elehhhhna Feb 2016 #119
I thought HDSam Feb 2016 #56
She evolved.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #58
...... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #83
But HDSam Feb 2016 #88
#stealthebern. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #95
This is good. Some time with the issues. Only having two people is great. nolabear Feb 2016 #57
Question to Clinton: You've proposed expansive Govt...Should people who fear Govt fear you? brooklynite Feb 2016 #59
starting all over again...wft..,she is obsessed with this lie restorefreedom Feb 2016 #61
She's trying really hard to paint him as dishonest... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #62
Hillary now championing Universal Healthcare? Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #63
Oh My god.... It makes me sneeze pangaia Feb 2016 #98
She usually looks great in yellow. Her makeup is way too pasty. Maybe a cold? hedda_foil Feb 2016 #129
Now that you speak of her god-awful color choice Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #256
Probably a message to Wall Street. I stand w/the gold. southerncrone Feb 2016 #257
Could be Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #268
Star Trek Mao uhnope Feb 2016 #269
"Making promises we can't keep will alienate Americans" brooklynite Feb 2016 #66
Hillary Sanders.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #67
We inherited the healthcare system from WWII? Wasn't it non-profit back then? valerief Feb 2016 #68
Do you mean the health care provider system or the health insurance system? Recursion Feb 2016 #126
hrc the new robot juxtaposed Feb 2016 #69
8.0, 9.0, 10.1? I can't keep track anymore. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #77
BERRRRRRRRRN!!!!!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #70
An actual $$ figure. And a plan for raising it. Good! nolabear Feb 2016 #72
"Secretary Clinton, You're Not in the White House Yet" brooklynite Feb 2016 #74
Sounds like a slightly pro-Hillary audience firebrand80 Feb 2016 #81
Yea, I got that feeling as well! eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #132
Hillary does seem to have the advantage where the audience is concerned. nolabear Feb 2016 #91
Is there a streaming link? nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #75
Here brooklynite Feb 2016 #78
Thank you! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #85
Sure... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #79
Slanted questions so far rufus dog Feb 2016 #80
Okay some specifics from Bernie. Good to hear. nolabear Feb 2016 #82
You're not in the white house yet, and the crowd laughs nervously. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #84
She never said she was, Bern. Keep going low and see where you end up. She's getting under his skin. farmboy Feb 2016 #112
Great reference to Gov. Scott Walker here in WI by Hillary book_worm Feb 2016 #87
The 'ol Scott Walker card, eh? firebrand80 Feb 2016 #89
Sanders' plan call on Governors to contribute to Higher Education tuition... brooklynite Feb 2016 #92
Excellent remarks about public ed by Bernie. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #94
He's beginning to sound repetitious. His details for financing are a lot of "shoulds" is losing me. ancianita Feb 2016 #96
Oh my gosh! Marcia just got hit in the nose with a football! Kurovski Feb 2016 #97
Don't pick up the tiki, Bobby! myrna minx Feb 2016 #159
WHAT!!? Kurovski Feb 2016 #175
Too many gimlets - they left me behind in the green room. myrna minx Feb 2016 #200
Isn't Gwynneth Paltrow there? Kurovski Feb 2016 #207
I certainly hope so - considering all of the twirling I was doing on the red carpet. myrna minx Feb 2016 #230
Did I hear that right?College kids shouldn't have to work in factories or on farms? nolabear Feb 2016 #99
No hollowdweller Feb 2016 #106
I know. But kids are delivering pizzas not working in factories. That's part of the issue. nolabear Feb 2016 #208
No, he was saying that today isn't the same as the 1950's, femmedem Feb 2016 #114
Don't kid yourself, it's all a collective farm once Bern gets in. Kurovski Feb 2016 #194
Question to Clinton: You've made a clear appeal to Women Voters. brooklynite Feb 2016 #100
Fair question. And fair answer. Not a barn burner. nolabear Feb 2016 #102
woodruffs mention of albrights hell comment just got booed. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #103
Boos for Albright LittleBlue Feb 2016 #104
She was a better SOS than you know who. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #113
Oh boy. The Allbright question. Hillary did a good job of moving to real issues. nolabear Feb 2016 #107
and not answering the question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #118
I'm not taking that bait. nolabear Feb 2016 #125
she should of just said she did not agree Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #133
She's definitely changed her strategy in terms of tone... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #109
she will not answer that Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #110
"This is the first time there's been a majority of Women on stage"...progress brooklynite Feb 2016 #111
That was a great comeback Arazi Feb 2016 #121
Thanks for the thread femmedem Feb 2016 #145
Hell is for children. Kurovski Feb 2016 #115
No, children go to limbo Wig Master Feb 2016 #149
You mean the Limbo Song? Kurovski Feb 2016 #155
Where the bloody hell is my Downton Abbey? Kurovski Feb 2016 #158
A majority of women on the stage. I'm actually touched by that. nolabear Feb 2016 #116
Very strong statement by HRC on women's issues book_worm Feb 2016 #117
Question to Sanders: Do you think you'll be accused of thwarting the first Woman President? brooklynite Feb 2016 #123
oh balls, claiming sanders will "thwart history" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #124
Did I just hear Ifell ask if Bernie was worried about "thwarting history"? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #127
yup. hard to believe restorefreedom Feb 2016 #131
"The most experienced, prepared person to be president" book_worm Feb 2016 #128
Not quite. Look up the resume of HW Bush sometime. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #260
My vagina says hell no to Hillary. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #130
WOW. You could take that act on the road! nolabear Feb 2016 #138
Heeeeyyyy! Nola....what can I say LOL nc4bo Feb 2016 #148
Does that mean there ARE teeth down there after all. Kurovski Feb 2016 #165
Not gonna trot down that road. We do have a right to privacy. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #184
LOL Kurovski Feb 2016 #203
amen. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #144
And my penis says "Go, Hillary, Go!" farmboy Feb 2016 #146
She wasn't discussing the vaginally deficient farmboy. Sowwy. Nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #157
I heard Hilary say that she works for empowerment of women AND men to make their best decisions. farmboy Feb 2016 #211
No p zone. She was riding a feminine head wind. Yall can help but....... nc4bo Feb 2016 #224
Mostly, yes, but she included me. Try being more inclusive. It is a good place to be! farmboy Feb 2016 #235
This message was self-deleted by its author Wig Master Feb 2016 #170
I think HRC is pretty strong tonight book_worm Feb 2016 #134
This Bernie supporter... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #136
I'm a Sanders fan but I think she always comes off great. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #141
Exposure... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #167
It only makes her stronger if she uses it wisely. jeff47 Feb 2016 #262
Completely agree with that... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #263
Same here. She does an excellent job. And both of them make me proud and happy I'm a RKP5637 Feb 2016 #193
Agreed! Bravo! Arazi Feb 2016 #142
I'm unapologetically happy about Hillary's desire to foreground women's rights. nolabear Feb 2016 #135
I have never loved Bernie as much until this moment! bettyellen Feb 2016 #137
Yay- marijuana and justice right after abortions! Atta boy Bernie! bettyellen Feb 2016 #147
NARAL called my mom today. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #139
Facebook question: What can we do about African-American incarceration rate (double national rate) brooklynite Feb 2016 #140
Sanders: radical reform of criminal justice system brooklynite Feb 2016 #143
I agree with him on that rbrnmw Feb 2016 #152
Excellent answer on justice reform from Sanders n/t TCJ70 Feb 2016 #150
Clinton: first speech I gave was about criminal justice reform brooklynite Feb 2016 #151
me, too! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #153
How can Hillary be believed that she will work to actively prevent Mass Incarceration... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #154
She takes Big Prison $$!.Ugh her ability to lie convincingly is scary Arazi Feb 2016 #161
that is why that whoever wins, you have to keep working the midterms and local elections. bettyellen Feb 2016 #178
give em hell, bernie! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #160
Question to Clinton: Hardly anyone believes race relations better under President Obama... brooklynite Feb 2016 #162
Good work in this thread, btw. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #164
Clinton: we're seeing the dark side of remaining racism brooklynite Feb 2016 #171
She's not answering... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #174
Hillary not falling into the anti-O trap there BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #166
yes, he is perfect Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #191
What's his approval rating with D voters in SC? BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #209
Loving these moderators Arazi Feb 2016 #168
dammit, hillary, its not an accomplishemt to get them insurance... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #169
...and doesn't Sanders see that Wall Street reform doesn't help them either? brooklynite Feb 2016 #177
so letting the big money guys skate restorefreedom Feb 2016 #236
Well said. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #187
:) nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #239
Wish Bernie would mention Clinton's funding from the private prison lobbyists Chezboo Feb 2016 #172
he rarely attacks dana_b Feb 2016 #181
What Sec Clinton should have pointed out is that the GOP has done nothing but book_worm Feb 2016 #173
Bernie seems tired or something firebrand80 Feb 2016 #176
Nah...he doesn't yell all the time... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #180
Someone should mention Wall St. firebrand80 Feb 2016 #198
Is his voice raspy? my feed has a gurgle and pixelation issue. bettyellen Feb 2016 #183
Sounds like he might have a bit of a cold nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #190
He seems to have a bad cough. There's a lot of viruses going around. I hope he's ok. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #267
Anyone hearing she's using "we" so much more now? Arazi Feb 2016 #179
I wondered if she was. Good move. nolabear Feb 2016 #185
in the first part she was saying "I", "I", "I" but dana_b Feb 2016 #195
She's been watching those game tapes. Definitely an improvement, nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #196
Agreed (nt) Kurovski Feb 2016 #245
Sanders pivots back to economic message brooklynite Feb 2016 #182
when I visited Milwaukee as a kid, I thought it was 100% white. I had no idea.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #189
Question about "white people"... brooklynite Feb 2016 #186
Clinton discusses alcoholism, addition, etc. brooklynite Feb 2016 #188
It was, and a good one too! BTW- thanks for stating this thread and your comments!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #205
is it true your slogan is "we hate white people"? A DUer suggested that to me this week. LOL CRAZY! bettyellen Feb 2016 #206
Sander's answer on the racial issue is a bit tone def. He keeps bringing up wall street. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #192
not recognizing the connection is whats tone deaf. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #220
What is her plan on helping coal country? Sincere question. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #197
Here's her plan for the coal communities ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #217
Thank you. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #253
Coal country jobs. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #199
West Virginia is a great great state, with some of the nicest people I've met..... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #202
Work doesn't pay in WV hollowdweller Feb 2016 #223
Not in coal country hollowdweller Feb 2016 #214
Yep! It's a beautiful state! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #228
The WV legislature is working to kill that. jeff47 Feb 2016 #264
Persistent generational poverty is a real issue that doesn't get discussed often enough. nolabear Feb 2016 #201
it is, that was a good point. looking at neighborhoods. JudyM Feb 2016 #213
trade now Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #204
Yeah he was great on the NAFTA comment. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #218
Question to Sanders: One source of anxiety to working class people is immigrants brooklynite Feb 2016 #210
The answer is "Yes." Nice and to the point. nolabear Feb 2016 #212
Sanders: Bring (immigrant) families together brooklynite Feb 2016 #216
THANK YOU! I missed a bit from the phone call and appreciate your summaries! bettyellen Feb 2016 #219
I feel like he is finally giving POTUS some credit while disagreeing. Smart. bettyellen Feb 2016 #215
It is smart. nolabear Feb 2016 #227
I think they BOTH have polished their acts, just in the last week. Nice !!! bettyellen Feb 2016 #240
I agree. Again, they are the adults. We NEED adults. nolabear Feb 2016 #242
^^^THIS RIGHT THERE ^^^ bettyellen Feb 2016 #247
she is against president Obama Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #221
WOW. Executive order for immigrants. BOLD. nolabear Feb 2016 #222
Clinton: I voted for comprehensive immigration reform; Sen Sanders voted against it brooklynite Feb 2016 #225
boom, he explains it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #233
Guest worker program "Akin to slavery" TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #238
Voting to keep gov open amendments were snuck in bjobotts Feb 2016 #270
Maybe start a new thread? Getting long Arazi Feb 2016 #226
Yes please. nolabear Feb 2016 #231
Wow, bernie is nailing this debate. Has far exceeded my expectations! californiabernin Feb 2016 #229
Agreed. 100% agree. eom Arazi Feb 2016 #241
HEY GUYS- Is there a better feed than PBS? This is AWFUL!! bettyellen Feb 2016 #232
I'm watching on CNN. Seems OK. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #246
must be a local FIOS issue. :-( Tks! bettyellen Feb 2016 #251
try GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #250
I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #234
Tks for the summary- I could not make out half his words. Grrr. Garbled feed sucks. bettyellen Feb 2016 #244
Actually, we can. jeff47 Feb 2016 #265
Continuation thread..... brooklynite Feb 2016 #237
Bernie is right on the guest worker program hollowdweller Feb 2016 #243
he should have gotten her on the private prison thing there n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #248
Woah, great response back against President Kennedy's bill by Bernie. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #249
The public isn't stupid! GO Bernie!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #261

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
1. Continue the pattern of standing behind podiums...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

I thought they switched to table debates when it got down to two.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
3. Opening Statements
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders starting with his "we started with nothing" comments

Americans responding to basic truths
-campaign finance system corrupt
-rigged economy
-broken criminal justice system (leaning to BLM?)

American people tired of establishment politics; want a political revolution

Clinton: "I'm running for President to knock down 'all the barriers'"

A lot of Americans are angry about the economy
- not enough good paying jobs

We both agree on need to get unaccountable money out of campaigns

I want to go further:
-African Americans who face discrimination
-Immigrant families living in fear
-gender pay equality

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
19. You said it! Steal the Bern is right! and she is full of it...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:13 PM
Feb 2016

..did she say that to her friends on Wall Street????

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
258. That color doesn't look good on her.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

He wears nearly the same thing, so I can't say the same.

Now, that is where it's tougher to be a woman. We have to have a new outfit for every event and men can wear the same blue or black suit.



That said, NO ONE other than a baby looks good in that color yellow. It's not a pretty yellow.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
266. I agree you guys having to wear a new outfit every day. :>))
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

You also have to stand in line longer to use the restroom at the opera than we guys do.
I mean,, you know..

I never understood why opera houses, concert halls, baseball stadiums, what else, help me here...restrooms just before Customs and Immigration at Newark Airport, etc don't have 3x as many.."accomodations"... well, you know what I mean.

My poor girlfriend-- when we returned from Portugal.. get off the plane. have to walk 800 yards. we reach the restrooms and 247 of the 900 people from three Boeing triple sevens are lined up in agony.........


I better stop before I really get in trouble...








SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
12. Opening statement
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's consistent message that he has given since day 1

Hillary now catering to a new audience. Never has she brought up African Americans or immigrants within the first 30 seconds of anything.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
13. "I'm running for president to knock down all the barriers that are holding Americans back," -Hillary
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

This is the reason why she is running for President. I think this is a good overall message to run on.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
16. Question to Sanders: How big a role do you see for Federal Government?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

Response: mass transfer of wealth to top 1%

Usual items
"Medicare for All"
Free pubic education
Rebuild infrastructure

"In my view, Government of a democratic society has a vital role"

Clinton estimates Sanders plan would increase six of Federal Govt by 40%

We both have to explain real costs

Sanders disputes Clinton comment that he wants to dismantle ACA

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
36. It's not. It's an Middle America talking point
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:16 PM
Feb 2016

Smart, accountable government. Not everyone wants to be bothered by the government. People want to be left alone.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
65. "smart, accountable" doesn't mean small
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

It has to big enough to do its job effectively.

Wanting to make it smaller is some RW shit and there is no denying it.

My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.

--Grover Norquist

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
28. The role of government should be smart and accountable
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

Not everyone wants government in their lives. It should be for those who need it.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. bernie puts to rest the "dismantle aca" bullshit
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

big round of applause

edit..hillary countering....i feel an obama snuggle coming...

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
156. nah i didn't like it last week either when they boo'd her for the 'artful smear' remark
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

These aren't pep rallies and shouldn't be treated as such.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
163. when the cheers and boos collide it gets hella confusing! but I do like a rousing round of
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

applause when I agree with people. and I mostly do.
hated it during the Republican debate.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
45. Universal Health Care "Coverage"?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

Isn't universal healthcare! Does she or does she not want everyone to have care?

Also, please explain how serving up the entire American populace to the private insurance companies as forced customers is "taking on health insurance companies"? Please. Explain that.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
252. The insurance companies are the big winners in the AHA.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

Many got coverage, including under 26 yr olds. No more ceilings on coverage.
BUT, the insurance companies basically got free marketing & by law all Americans are required to purchase their products.
We also got higher copays & premiums in the process.

So who REALLY won.

Insurance companies are non-necessary entities. They are robber barons who control our lives on multiple levels.
The best thing is to banish them from the medical arena.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
48. Worse off than the ACA with Medicare for all?!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

Is that a joke with how much the deductibles cost?

edit: Build on Healthcare with employers since WW2?! Where I'm required to pay a scumbag like Dennis Hensley if I make enough just because I breathe and am an adult?! A for-profit company?!

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
50. No we can't...no we can't...no we can't!!!!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

It's not a good look, Hillary. And when you bring up the insurance industry, you are begging for everyone to start researching the lobbyists in your campaign and the crazy amount of health insurance campaign money you have received.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
53. Clinton: we have to guarantee health care; we're on the path to doing that...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

...she knows her history about why we have the system we have

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
254. It only requires the Republicans to pass bills boosting the ACA.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

That's not at all unrealistic.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
54. Why isn't Hillary acknowledging that at some point...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

...she'll HAVE to take on those industries? Is she even willing to do it?

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
101. Yeah, ugh.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

Just being a breathing human being and adult, I should not be required to pay a FOR-PROFIT private industry money. I find that outrageous.

HDSam

(251 posts)
56. I thought
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary said a few weeks ago universal healthcare would never happen, or words to that effect?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
83. ......
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

Secular Talk
Secular Talk – ?@KyleKulinski

Hillary argument 1: I'm against this!
Hillary argument 2: I've been in the trenches fighting for this!
#DemDebate

HDSam

(251 posts)
88. But
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:24 PM
Feb 2016

That was just a few weeks ago. My science teacher in biology back in the 1970's said evolution takes a long time. I don't believe a few weeks is a long time, so surely there must be another answer? Perhaps she suddenly realized Bernie's idea is pretty good?

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
59. Question to Clinton: You've proposed expansive Govt...Should people who fear Govt fear you?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

People should evaluate both plans: I've been specific about how much it would cost and where I would raise money.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
61. starting all over again...wft..,she is obsessed with this lie
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

coverage of 90%???? what about the other ten..they supposed to crawl into a hole and die?



2m2 minutes ago
Secular Talk ?@KyleKulinski
Hillary has jumped the shark and she's now fear mongering over single-payer. Progressive my ass. #DemDebate

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
63. Hillary now championing Universal Healthcare?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

I thought that was "never ever ever gonna happen!"

Is it me, or does her outfit make her look like a cross between a handmaiden of Queen Amidala and Col. Mustard?

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
129. She usually looks great in yellow. Her makeup is way too pasty. Maybe a cold?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

Or her personal makeup person isn't on call tonight.

 
256. Now that you speak of her god-awful color choice
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

I was wondering if she consulted with Laura Bush on the choice of drapery to wear.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
66. "Making promises we can't keep will alienate Americans"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton: my policies will cost $100 B per year, paid for.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
68. We inherited the healthcare system from WWII? Wasn't it non-profit back then?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

Didn't the Reagan administration/HMO-era make it FOR-PROFIT? Doesn't sound the same to me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
126. Do you mean the health care provider system or the health insurance system?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

Physicians' practices have always been for-profit AFAIK (doctors pretty universally incorporate their practices for tax and liability reasons). HCA and Tenet were founded in the mid 1960s, but they were amalgamations of existing private hospitals.

Private health insurance has always been about half for-profit and half not-for-profit since the 1930s.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
74. "Secretary Clinton, You're Not in the White House Yet"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

I think that line didn't get the reaction he hoped for

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
80. Slanted questions so far
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

All questions have been negatively phrased.

Both of them need to be careful with answers.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
92. Sanders' plan call on Governors to contribute to Higher Education tuition...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:24 PM
Feb 2016

I don't trust Scott Walker to contribute

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
200. Too many gimlets - they left me behind in the green room.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

The jokes on them though - all the rye crisps in gardetto bowl are mine! mine! mine! Take THAT Woodruff!

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
230. I certainly hope so - considering all of the twirling I was doing on the red carpet.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

Er- or it may have been at Arby's, some guy with a camera phone and my greasy bag of curly fries.

nolabear

(41,936 posts)
99. Did I hear that right?College kids shouldn't have to work in factories or on farms?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:25 PM
Feb 2016

That's pretty 1950s.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
106. No
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

He was essentially saying that we decided to educate kids rather than throw them into the work force.

femmedem

(8,197 posts)
114. No, he was saying that today isn't the same as the 1950's,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

when public education through grade 12 was good for a population that worked largely on farms or in factories.

He is saying times have changed, and our educational needs have changed with the times.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
194. Don't kid yourself, it's all a collective farm once Bern gets in.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

Farms with big RED barns, know what I'm sayin' here?

*Ahem*

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
100. Question to Clinton: You've made a clear appeal to Women Voters.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:25 PM
Feb 2016

What have those women who voted for Sanders missed?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
109. She's definitely changed her strategy in terms of tone...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

...still going hard on the "Bernie doesn't know what he's doing" stuff.

femmedem

(8,197 posts)
145. Thanks for the thread
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

and for your fair reporting of the debate. I am listening, but you're doing a great service for people who are missing it.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
117. Very strong statement by HRC on women's issues
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

and why she stands for women supporting whoever they want whether it be she or Bernie. It's there choice.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
123. Question to Sanders: Do you think you'll be accused of thwarting the first Woman President?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

Stupid question

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
124. oh balls, claiming sanders will "thwart history"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

take the vagina card and go home, gwen

bernies response was excellent

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
131. yup. hard to believe
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

esp since she is asking the man who would be the

first dem socialist president
first jewish president

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
128. "The most experienced, prepared person to be president"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

and she certainly is not only this time but of all-time.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
144. amen.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

Secular Talk
Secular Talk – ?@KyleKulinski

Don't worry they'll ask Hillary in a second if she feels bad 'thwarting history' too, the first Jewish-American president. #DemDebate

farmboy

(252 posts)
211. I heard Hilary say that she works for empowerment of women AND men to make their best decisions.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

And my penis COUNTS!!!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
224. No p zone. She was riding a feminine head wind. Yall can help but.......
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

She was talking mostly about women in that answer.

Response to farmboy (Reply #146)

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
141. I'm a Sanders fan but I think she always comes off great.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

Not sure why they wanted to limit the debates originally.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
167. Exposure...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

He needed exposure more than she did and the DNC knew it. They were hoping the name brand advantage would lead to quick end of the primary. Sort of backfired. I think she will still win but he has enough supporters contributing small dollar amounts to go all the way to the convention. This is the best chance he will have on a national stage to fight for liberalism. It should make Hillary stronger for the general election.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
262. It only makes her stronger if she uses it wisely.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

She needs to lay off the Brock, or there will be too much resentment for the general.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
263. Completely agree with that...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

Too much identity politics coming from official surrogates in the Clinton campaign. Stick to the real issues. You say you have the best ideas, so prove it to us. This has been a very good debate with very little identity politicking. I just wish her surrogates would engage in less of it.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
139. NARAL called my mom today.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:32 PM
Feb 2016

She told them she supports Bernie and they told her they support Hillary. I wish she would've asked them about what is Senator Sanders voting record by NARAL

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
151. Clinton: first speech I gave was about criminal justice reform
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

relates story of Dante Hamilton from Milwaukee

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
154. How can Hillary be believed that she will work to actively prevent Mass Incarceration...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

when she has taken money from CCA, a private for-profit prison group.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
178. that is why that whoever wins, you have to keep working the midterms and local elections.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016

and fight for campaign finance reform. both candidates would have to have a ton of support to do that.
will the support be there? it was not for Obama.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
162. Question to Clinton: Hardly anyone believes race relations better under President Obama...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

...what would you do to improve it?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
174. She's not answering...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

...she's just saying Obama did great and she needs to move "forward". They asked for specifics.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
169. dammit, hillary, its not an accomplishemt to get them insurance...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

they need CARE

do you not see the difference?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
236. so letting the big money guys skate
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

and hide their money while,poor people of all colors can't afford their copays is better?

Chezboo

(230 posts)
172. Wish Bernie would mention Clinton's funding from the private prison lobbyists
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

from two major prison companies that are also serving as top fundraisers for her.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
173. What Sec Clinton should have pointed out is that the GOP has done nothing but
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

stonewall President Obama giving him no respect as a president. She could have been stronger on that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
183. Is his voice raspy? my feed has a gurgle and pixelation issue.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

seems a little low key, but he has been running all over the media. so expected, I guess.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
195. in the first part she was saying "I", "I", "I" but
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

she has gotten better during the past couple of topics

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
245. Agreed (nt)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

I like how these two debate each other. Even when contentious, they treat each other pretty well.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
189. when I visited Milwaukee as a kid, I thought it was 100% white. I had no idea....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

because of the segregation. It felt really strange for a Bronx girl.
When Dammer killed those ghetto kids, I was like what ghetto?

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
186. Question about "white people"...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

...If working class white numbers are about to be outnumbered, don't they have a reason to be resentful"?

Dicey question.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
188. Clinton discusses alcoholism, addition, etc.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

Plan to address problems in coal country.

Communities with "persistent, generational poverty".

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
206. is it true your slogan is "we hate white people"? A DUer suggested that to me this week. LOL CRAZY!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

can't make this shit up!



to jury: I did not make this shit up- search for it! That comment survived a jury!

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
199. Coal country jobs.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

We should be creating heavy tourism for West Virginia. Has anyone here seen some of the shots and video of the Appalachia mountains?! The landscape is GORGEOUS!

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
202. West Virginia is a great great state, with some of the nicest people I've met.....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

there just aren't ANY jobs and its a real problem.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
223. Work doesn't pay in WV
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Any job you do in WV you would make 5 to 10,000 more in another state doing the very same job.
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
214. Not in coal country
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

The areas of WV where millions in coal are mined, the roads suck, the schools are truly awful, landscape sucks. Everybody is addicted to drugs.

nolabear

(41,936 posts)
201. Persistent generational poverty is a real issue that doesn't get discussed often enough.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

It's a sophisticated answer.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
218. Yeah he was great on the NAFTA comment.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

NAILED the problem into the concise answer necessary for people to hear.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
210. Question to Sanders: One source of anxiety to working class people is immigrants
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

Would you go further than Obama plan to bring immigrants out of the shadows?

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
216. Sanders: Bring (immigrant) families together
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Disagree with recent deportation policies

Need path towards citizenship

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
229. Wow, bernie is nailing this debate. Has far exceeded my expectations!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

He's out-debating Clinton and so clear and straightforward in his responses! A natural!

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
234. I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

...I agree with path to citizenship for people that are already here. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. We really just can't keep taking people from everywhere on Earth.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
265. Actually, we can.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

Or more specifically, we can take a hell of a lot more than we currently do.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
249. Woah, great response back against President Kennedy's bill by Bernie.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

Mentioning the AFL-CIO et al. Do we even know if the bill was in it's current form when Kennedy was alive? With the guest worker bs.

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