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John Lewis opens his mouth, inserts foot, proven wrong in five seconds on a google search (Original Post) Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 OP
And he also said he learned of Bill Clinton in the "early '70s" Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #1
He 'met' Bill Clinton in 1991. nt Autumn Feb 2016 #7
John Lewis met Bill Clinton in the 70's, before he held any political office bigtree Feb 2016 #28
I saw this screenshot in another thread Autumn Feb 2016 #40
John Lewis was right there when Bill related his story bigtree Feb 2016 #46
What you posted is different from what he said in that book, that's what I see. Autumn Feb 2016 #56
bill was at oxford in 1968 and dodging the roguevalley Feb 2016 #60
Bill Clinton didn't 'dodge the draft' bigtree Feb 2016 #70
Yes he did: in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #78
So the first time they met was in 1975 or 1976 starroute Feb 2016 #52
Nope. Lewis said he was introduced to Bill by an aide of Clinton's cali Feb 2016 #69
Hold on! WAS he an activist when that pic was taken rocktivity Feb 2016 #2
That's a recent picture. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #15
That picture was taken last March Empowerer Feb 2016 #18
Right after John Lewis retired from activism... amiright? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #25
Another victim of the internet age. Fearless Feb 2016 #3
He only looked forward, Bernie was behind him. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #4
Wel, Bernie did photobomb that picture. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #9
This picture was taken in 2015! Empowerer Feb 2016 #47
Yes, obviously Rep. Lewis was too captivated by that lovely lady in front of him. Who is she? Bucky Feb 2016 #79
wow! they look really old in that picture from the 60s wyldwolf Feb 2016 #5
I fought for same sex marriage to be legal for years. I've never met Dan Savage Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #11
your reply has nothing to do with my post wyldwolf Feb 2016 #13
Lewis didn't say that. Don't put words into his mouth. Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #17
Yes he did wyldwolf Feb 2016 #29
my cousin Debbie was a freedom roguevalley Feb 2016 #61
Is your cousin Debbie posting a recent image of her with someone as proof... wyldwolf Feb 2016 #68
she doesn't need to and anyone who requires it can take a hike roguevalley Feb 2016 #73
You're wrong, and you're falsely insinuating that a DUer is being misleading Jim Lane Feb 2016 #64
No, you're wrong. "Feeling the Bern" was responding to MY Post #5 wyldwolf Feb 2016 #67
You're trying to say that the OP was responding to your comment on it! Jim Lane Feb 2016 #72
no I'm not. I'm conversing in a subthread. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #82
Do you go around claiming that you marched with Dan Savage? Empowerer Feb 2016 #48
how do you know they didn't roguevalley Feb 2016 #62
I wonder if Harry Belafonte met Sanders Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #23
Cutting and pasting the same thing over and over again in different threads doesn't make it true Empowerer Feb 2016 #49
Blindly agreeing with something that is a half truth and a Rovian/Atwater style smear Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #58
ROFL!! oh shit I have to eat crow now. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #6
People think the bottom photo is from the 1960's? Beaverhausen Feb 2016 #12
YES, "'it's proof that John Lewis saw Bernie when he said he didn't". m-lekktor Feb 2016 #19
My God this is stupid. They obviously knew each other in the House 20 years ago. (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #8
That picture was taken last year Empowerer Feb 2016 #10
Got Spin SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #14
No. I got facts. Empowerer Feb 2016 #16
There were white civil rights activists who gave their lives in supportof the movement. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #21
Actually, John Lewis DID know and work with many of the activists who died in the campaign Empowerer Feb 2016 #30
Don't be coy. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #42
Ooh, boy - they almost fooled those minorities down there in SC, but thank goodness you're here to Empowerer Feb 2016 #45
The one playing the role of Anansi is Hillary Clinton and her campaign. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #77
Did you ever meet Lewis or any high level activist while you were protesting for a cause? Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #26
+1 eom Arazi Feb 2016 #31
Actually, I have - but that's irrelevant Empowerer Feb 2016 #35
Well, I haven't. I guess my work for the past 25 years has been all for naught Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #36
Are you having difficulty reading what I've written? Empowerer Feb 2016 #38
And Lewis smeared the candidate Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #41
He didn't smear him at all. Empowerer Feb 2016 #43
I can believe that he did not know Sanders back in the 60's tularetom Feb 2016 #50
John Lewis does not need to have "a sock stuffed in him" Empowerer Feb 2016 #53
Bear in mind that John Lewis morningglory Feb 2016 #20
It's pretty evident who's doing the swiftboating by the well-coordinated attacks. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #22
He is talking about the activism of the 60's and 70's book_worm Feb 2016 #24
He didn't say that. Let's not put words or meaning into his mouth Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #27
So the fact that He didn't know Bernie is an attack? redstateblues Feb 2016 #34
He did mention "from 1963 to 1966".... JTFrog Feb 2016 #55
He sure as hell did not meet either Clinton in the early 60's mikehiggins Feb 2016 #80
I Love John Lewis... But He's Become Part Of The Establishment... And That's The Problem... WillyT Feb 2016 #32
Except for Bernie. The old I love him but redstateblues Feb 2016 #39
Can I Ask How Old You Are ??? WillyT Feb 2016 #44
The image I have is of . . . Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #66
I think it's obvious he was talking about the 1960s. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #33
That Google search refers to recently. Lewis clearly was talking about the past. nolabear Feb 2016 #37
Sanders said he was with CORE, not SNCC. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #51
Thanks for your sensible suggestion for how Lewis could have made his point without smearing (nt) Jim Lane Feb 2016 #65
Well I guess you showed him? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #54
right? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #57
The photo you provided was the 50th Anniversary of the Edmund Pettus Bridge march. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #59
This is stupid and isn't what he meant. Skwmom Feb 2016 #63
He meant back in the 60s, genius... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #71
Pettus Bridge pic is from last spring -- Saturday, March 7, 2015 ucrdem Feb 2016 #74
All this is about Hillary's Entitlement to the Throne, as made so clear in last night's debate. 2banon Feb 2016 #75
This entire subject is so Elementary School...Did too, did not, did too...time for some Time Outs. libdem4life Feb 2016 #76
this is the dirtiest politics I've seen since McCarthy olddots Feb 2016 #81

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
1. And he also said he learned of Bill Clinton in the "early '70s"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

after Bill had won not only an election for attorney general, but also election for governor.

However, Bill did not start his first term as governor until 1979.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
28. John Lewis met Bill Clinton in the 70's, before he held any political office
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton Remarks at a Dinner for Representative John Lewis in Atlanta
April 14, 2000

You know, John was up here talking about being 60 years old, and I was thinking about the first time I met him, when I was just a young man back in the seventies, held no office, wanted to get elected to something in my State, and was interested in helping a fellow from Georgia named Carter get elected President. And I remember John talking to me about all these stories we saw in the movie. Twenty-five years ago, my eyes were big. I thought, one of the reasons I liked politics and one of the reasons I'm a Democrat is I can sit here, a 29-year-old kid, and talk to John Lewis about his life. If anybody had ever told me 25 years later I'd be back here talking about a distinguished 60-year-old Congressman, and I'd be President, I'd have thought they were nuts. [Laughter] But I'm honored to be here.



http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
46. John Lewis was right there when Bill related his story
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

...maybe he'll clear it up some time in the future, but I think he and Bill seem to agree here, at least in their verbal accounts.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
78. Yes he did:
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

Note: After the draft letter, below, there is a transcript of a February 1992 Nightline program in which then-Governor Bill Clinton discusses the controversial draft letter with Ted Koppel.]
"Dear Colonel Holmes,

I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say. First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC. Let me try to explain.

As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary, but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly, but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did. I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations here October 15th and November 16th.


video

After one week of answering questions about allegations of draft-dodging and one week before the New Hampshire primary, a letter surfaces in which a young Bill Clinton thanks a colonel for "saving me from the draft."Clinton defends the letter and questions the motives of his accusers. (2/12/92)

hilo


Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to, quote, participation in war in any form, end quote. From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.

The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea, an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.

Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country, that is, the particular policy of a particular government, right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.

The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years (the society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true we are all finished anyway).

When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School, because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to be putting what I have learned to use. But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.

After I signed the ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies - there were none - but by failing to tell you all the things I'm writing now. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them then. At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1 - D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of self-regard and self-confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally on September 12th, I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help me in a case where he really couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.

I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes scholarship.

And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal. Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Colonel Jones for me. Merry Christmas.

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html


starroute

(12,977 posts)
52. So the first time they met was in 1975 or 1976
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

That was when Clinton was 29 and when he was planning to run for state Attorney General and when Carter was running for Congress.

So Lewis was wrong that he first heard of Clinton in the early 70s. He was wrong that he first heard of him when Clinton was governor. He was wrong that they were only formally introduced in 1991.

And all those errors of fact are in Lewis's book. They're not off-the-cuff memories from the present moment.

If Lewis doesn't remember meeting Clinton in 1975/76, how much weight can you give to the fact that he doesn't recall having heard of Sanders as working for CORE and cooperating with SNCC more than a decade earlier?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. That's a recent picture.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure Lewis has known Sanders for 25 years or so. He was referring to the 50s early 60s civil rights fight. I don't doubt he never met Sanders then. Bernie was like only 20 years old, Lewis was already a national leader, and they worked in separate organizations. But Bernie still was an activist, did local organizing, and a foot soldier in bigger events. For Lewis to dismiss his actions, even imply he wasn't there, was just pure nastiness.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. He only looked forward, Bernie was behind him.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

But seriously, it's entirely possible that 50 years later, John Lewis doesn't remember that he ran into Bernie, if he ever did. What was a little more egregious was then tacking on how he met Bill and Hillary when in his own book, he wrote that he didn't meet Bill until 1991.

Bucky

(54,035 posts)
79. Yes, obviously Rep. Lewis was too captivated by that lovely lady in front of him. Who is she?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, I wouldn't remember that dude either

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
5. wow! they look really old in that picture from the 60s
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

I mean, Lewis was referring to the movement in the 60s. I'm sure the person who created that image isn't trying to mislead...

"I never saw him, I never met him. I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years -- 1963 to 1966," he said. "I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery. I directed the board of education project for six years." - John Lewis
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
11. I fought for same sex marriage to be legal for years. I've never met Dan Savage
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

Your point being?

Bernie was a low level activist in the 1960s.

My mother is Mohawk and never met anyone from the Native American movement. I guess she never did anything, except she has.

This Lewis attack line is bullshit and tells all activists that if someone high up in the cause doesn't know you, your work is meaningless.

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
13. your reply has nothing to do with my post
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

Lewis was clearly referring to his time as an activist in the 60s and that pics is clearly from a time decades later.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
61. my cousin Debbie was a freedom
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

rider in Mississippi and other places at the same time. She signed people to vote and the Klan came at night to tell them no. I doubt that he met her either. trying to erase people from their own history is evil.

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
68. Is your cousin Debbie posting a recent image of her with someone as proof...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:48 AM
Feb 2016

... that she knew someone in the 60s?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
64. You're wrong, and you're falsely insinuating that a DUer is being misleading
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:43 AM
Feb 2016

Yes, post #5 has an exact quotation from Lewis.

But the OP is about a different exact quotation from Lewis, one that's in the title of the OP. If you doubt it you can find another source in this RawStory article (in the headline, in fact): "Civil rights hero John Lewis burns Bernie: In all my years of activism 'I never saw him'"

Your comment "I'm sure the person who created that image isn't trying to mislead..." will be taken by most people as a snarky way of saying that you're sure of precisely the opposite. Given that the quotation in the image was precisely accurate, you should apologize. Given that Lewis's statement about "all my years of activism" (emphasis added) was inaccurate, he should apologize -- unless he wants to try a tortured cop-out that he meant "activism" to refer only to his early years and that his activism ceased when he entered Congress.

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
67. No, you're wrong. "Feeling the Bern" was responding to MY Post #5
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:47 AM
Feb 2016

In post #5, Lewis said, direct quote:

"I never saw him, I never met him. I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years -- 1963 to 1966," he said. "I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery. I directed the board of education project for six years." - John Lewis


you're falsely insinuating that a DUer is being misleading

I'm directly saying that, based on the Lewis quote that inspired the image, the image is misleading.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
72. You're trying to say that the OP was responding to your comment on it!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

You now write:

I'm directly saying that, based on the Lewis quote that inspired the image, the image is misleading.


So what do you mean by "the image"? The only image I see is the one in the OP. Feeling the Bern presented that image and an accurate, verbatim quotation from Lewis. The image is not at all misleading, based on the Lewis quotation that expressly accompanied it. You introduced a completely different quotation and then asserted, retroactively, that the quotation you introduced into the thread, in reply to the OP, is the quotation that somehow inspired the OP.

In that OP, Feeling the Bern wasn't responding to you. It's the other way around. You responded to the OP, in your #5, by introducing a totally [I[different quotation from Lewis, and using that quotation to state:

I'm sure the person who created that image isn't trying to mislead...


Feeling the Bern, in #17, was apparently a little confused by your attempted switcheroo. In that post, he said, "Lewis didn't say that." What he should have said was, "Lewis didn't say that in the quotation I'm discussing." Note that Feeling the Bern's headline was: "John Lewis opens his mouth, inserts foot, proven wrong in five seconds on a google search". Not everything John Lewis ever said in his whole life can be proven wrong in five seconds with a Google search. In fact, I'd guess that Feeling the Bern, like me, would agree with the overwhelming majority of Lewis's public pronouncements -- just not this one.

As for me, my accusation (in #64) that you were "falsely insinuating that a DUer is being misleading" was expressly keyed to your #5. I say that your #5 made such a false insinuation about the OP. You can't defend your #5 by saying that you were responding to Feeling the Bern's response to your #5. Your #5 could only be about the OP itself.
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
23. I wonder if Harry Belafonte met Sanders
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

If he didn't, does that make Sanders's work meaningless, since Lewis implied that completely in his Rovian swift-boat attack?

Why are Democrats using Atwater/Rove style attacks?

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
58. Blindly agreeing with something that is a half truth and a Rovian/Atwater style smear
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

doesn't make it right, even if someone with a (D) in front of their name does it.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
6. ROFL!! oh shit I have to eat crow now.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

I originally said I didn't think any Bernie supporter actually BELIEVED this was from the 60's, it's so obviously NOT!!

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
19. YES, "'it's proof that John Lewis saw Bernie when he said he didn't".
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

I scolded someone who posted that Bernie supporters were trying to say that photo was from the 60's, I hadn't seen any because i thought it was too obvious!! So i was wrong, here is proof. I have eaten crow.

It was whenever the 50th anniversary of the Selma (i think) march was!

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
10. That picture was taken last year
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

The FIRST time Sanders accepted Lewis' invitation to participate in the annual Congressional Pilgrimage in commemoration of Bloody Sunday.

That picture does not contradict Rep. Lewis in any way. He says he never met Sanders when he was an activist in the 1960s. Of course, he met him since then - they served in Congress together. Unless you can find on the internets a photo of them together back in the 1960s, his point stands unchallenged.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
16. No. I got facts.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

But your comment reveals a big problem here on DU - you assume that anyone who doesn't have the same opinion of Rep. Lewis' comments as you do is a liar.

Your inability to accept that people may have different opinions than you do and your name calling anyone who doesn't agree with you is really unfortunate.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
21. There were white civil rights activists who gave their lives in supportof the movement.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis probably never met them either. But he can hold elected office due in part to their sacrifice.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
30. Actually, John Lewis DID know and work with many of the activists who died in the campaign
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

for voting rights (I don't know what difference their race makes, but whatever . . .). And those he did not meet, he was certainly fully aware of them immediately as a result of their sacrifice, which he has ALWAYS and REPEATEDLY honored. It would be nice if people similarly accorded HIM the respect that he has earned.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
42. Don't be coy.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

It's about race because the Clinton Campaign has played the race card (again). It's obviously a coordinated Swiftboat attack on Sanders civil rights activism...saying it didn't matter. Obviously this was to influence SC voters against him by innuendo, and deflect attention from the Clintons own poor record inre minorities. Karl Rove would be so proud.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
45. Ooh, boy - they almost fooled those minorities down there in SC, but thank goodness you're here to
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

warn them so they don't get tricked.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
26. Did you ever meet Lewis or any high level activist while you were protesting for a cause?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

No?

Then you did nothing and your work is/was/and always will be meaningless because someone important doesn't know you at the time.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
35. Actually, I have - but that's irrelevant
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

I have never said that Sanders' efforts were "meaningless." In fact, I have repeatedly praised his work and commitment.

What I have criticized is the insistence by some of his supporters to inflate what he actually did. He worked in the civil rights movement and I applaud that - but he did NOT march with Dr. King and people need to stop claiming that he did. Even Bernie does not say that he did.

It seems that it is not me, but his supporters who feel that what he actually did was not substantial enough so they have to embellish it to make their point.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
36. Well, I haven't. I guess my work for the past 25 years has been all for naught
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

And Clinton worked for/supported a candidate that didn't want the CRA in 1964.

Don't let that enter John Lewis's worldview though. He did his job.

This meme about Sanders will die a very quick death. Only true Clinton supporters will say, believe and burp it back.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
38. Are you having difficulty reading what I've written?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

Apparently, you are - so I will repeat it for you.

I have never said or suggested that Sanders work in the civil rights movement is meaningless or "for naught." I have, in fact, praised it repeatedly. But some of his supporters are completely mischaracterizing his work as something it was not. It is THEY who seemed to think that what he really did was not good enough - otherwise, why embellish it?

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
41. And Lewis smeared the candidate
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Personally, I couldn't care less what "some supporters" say unless they carry some weight.

Nice condescending attitude though. Please don't speak to me again like that. I showed you respect, you spoke down to me.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
43. He didn't smear him at all.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

Saying he didn't see him and hadn't met him during those years is not a smear.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
50. I can believe that he did not know Sanders back in the 60's
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Where he's lying is where he says he did know Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton back then. Hillary Clinton was in HIGH SCHOOL until 1965 and Lewis himself has written that he first met Bill in the 1970's when Bill was a candidate for governor.

He diminshed himself when he made statements that he knew were untrue and if the Clinton campaign had half a brain they'd stuff a sock in him before he makes another embarrassing, easily disproven allegation. They won't of course and Im OK with that, but they should for their own good.

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
20. Bear in mind that John Lewis
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

Bear in mind that John Lewis, who is admired and loved by most everyone, was beaten in the head until nearly dead. He can be forgiven for a mental lapse. Hope this doesn't grow into a big swift-boating.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
22. It's pretty evident who's doing the swiftboating by the well-coordinated attacks.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

And Rep Lewis played his role to a T.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
24. He is talking about the activism of the 60's and 70's
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

not just a few years ago. Obviously he met and knows of Bernie as a congressman and Senator.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
27. He didn't say that. Let's not put words or meaning into his mouth
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

for an attack like this, everything needs to be spelled out, or else it becomes similar to "well, some people have said. . ."

We don't know those "some people."

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
34. So the fact that He didn't know Bernie is an attack?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

This was a bad day for Bernie. Parsing words won't change that

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
55. He did mention "from 1963 to 1966"....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/john-lewis-on-sanders-involvement-in-civil-rights-movement-i#.usyVxDxLjv

“I never saw him. I never met him,” Lewis continued. “I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for 3 years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed to voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton.”

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
80. He sure as hell did not meet either Clinton in the early 60's
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary was in high school and a Goldwater girl. Bill, I think, was just starting his career after having met JFK and being inspired by him. He was poor white trash out of Arkansas so it isn't very likely he had anything to do with a Civil Rights outside agitator associated with that Black Troublemaker King.

So he misspoke but if he says he didn't meet Bernie back then I'm inclined to believe him. The Civil Rights movement was not monolithic in any way shape or form. There was infighting, battles over tactics, lots of hatred between different factions (hmmm, seems familiar somehow) and supposedly, at one point, leftie Jews were escorted out of leadership positions because of FBI and right wing allegations of ties with the Godless Commies.

It was a terrible time and CORE, SNCC, the SLC, the Panthers, Malcolm X and lots of other martyrs littered the landscape.

So the balding Jew from Brooklyn stood out as much as any Second Lieutenant would.

And the HLC campaign and their backers have to attack because THAT is how they roll.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
32. I Love John Lewis... But He's Become Part Of The Establishment... And That's The Problem...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

All these idealistic folk go to Washington, where their souls tend to die.


redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
39. Except for Bernie. The old I love him but
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

You don't love him. He made your guy look bad. Anybody who doesn't think Bernie is perfect goes under the bus. Bernie has been in Congress for 24 years as part of the establishment taking a nice fat salary and great benefits with very little to show for it. He is a politician. Today was a bad day for Bernie.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
66. The image I have is of . . .
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:33 AM
Feb 2016

. . . MLK doing a faceplant and shaking his head over this nonsense.

I am embarrassed for Representative Lewis.



Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
33. I think it's obvious he was talking about the 1960s.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

So, please, this post is disingenuous.

That said, he DID stick his foot in his mouth by alleging he met the Clintons then. He had heard of them in the early 70s and didn't meet them until 1991, according to his own book.

Look, I'm a Sanders supporter. I know Sanders and Lewis know each other from Congress. That meme is silly.

As Hillary would say, "Cut that out."

nolabear

(41,990 posts)
37. That Google search refers to recently. Lewis clearly was talking about the past.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders has frequently talked up his history as an activist while he was at the University of Chicago in the 1960s and touted his work with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. But Lewis, a civil rights icon and leader of SNCC said he never saw Sanders at any events.

"I never saw him. I never met him," Lewis said. "I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed (the) voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President (Bill) Clinton."

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
51. Sanders said he was with CORE, not SNCC.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

They did do some coordinating together, but there's no expectation that John Lewis would have met a 20 year old foot soldier and local organizer working in a separate organization. John Lewis COULD have handled this much better...ie: "I know Sen Sanders was helping in the fight, but our paths didn't cross back then"...but being nice wasn't in his marching orders. Pretty evident Lewis played one part of a coordinated multi-front smear.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
65. Thanks for your sensible suggestion for how Lewis could have made his point without smearing (nt)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:47 AM
Feb 2016

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
59. The photo you provided was the 50th Anniversary of the Edmund Pettus Bridge march.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

Which occurred in 1965. The photo is with Jane Sanders as his wife which he met in 1980, not in 1965. Some clarification of the facts which as you recommend are easily located on google to prove John Lewis is lying and in fact this photo is not from 1965. Perhaps John Lewis is correct.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
71. He meant back in the 60s, genius...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:59 AM
Feb 2016

But keep smearing Lewis, by all means... That will definitely draw more folks to your side, lol

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
75. All this is about Hillary's Entitlement to the Throne, as made so clear in last night's debate.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

Of course Lewis is doing what he needs to do and say in hard core raw politics .. He's made his choice and it's do or die.

Somehow Bernie managed to hold his composure in the face of extreme sleazy tactics, I would have let it fly if I were in that position.

In all of her responses, be it fact or pure fiction, it is so clear she absolutely believes she is entitled to be the first woman president, and I absolutely believe that she is not. Especially given the criminals who would be adorning her office and advisors, i.g. the likes of Henry Kissinger.

No, Secretary Clinton. Absolutely Not.



 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
81. this is the dirtiest politics I've seen since McCarthy
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

If Hillary is incapable of seeing how evil this has gotten she should not be in any public office .

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