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dsc

(52,164 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:51 PM Feb 2016

So yet another Democratic debate without a single question about LGBT rights

in a country in which those citizens can be fired from their jobs, evicted from their apartments, denied a whole host of rights in over half the states, having over half the population. We are now 6 for 6 in this regard.

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So yet another Democratic debate without a single question about LGBT rights (Original Post) dsc Feb 2016 OP
I would have expected more from PBS virtualobserver Feb 2016 #1
Very little about climate change as well or the environment. Surprising in a PBS Dem Debate. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #2
I kind of get the feeling artislife Feb 2016 #3
some establishment gay groups think the same in regards to m-lekktor Feb 2016 #5
the victory fund was all about marriage though dsc Feb 2016 #11
well I remember people having a fit about it that is why i mentioned it. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #13
Agreed.,And climate change Arazi Feb 2016 #4
Allow me... brooklynite Feb 2016 #6
I think a more productive question is what executive powers would you use to bring about dsc Feb 2016 #8
The Executive can't... brooklynite Feb 2016 #10
obama already issued an executive order banning discrimination among federal contractors dsc Feb 2016 #12
...and which had what effect on schools? jberryhill Feb 2016 #16
none which is my point dsc Feb 2016 #17
Because they are not contractors jberryhill Feb 2016 #19
schools and governments purchase stuff from the government all the time dsc Feb 2016 #21
I bought a souvenir at a national park... jberryhill Feb 2016 #24
Executive action. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #14
Obama did that just recently dsc Feb 2016 #15
they all seem to stick to the same topics dana_b Feb 2016 #7
It may be because the establishment's candidate will come off poorly when compared to her opponent tk2kewl Feb 2016 #9
This is important to me as well. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #18
Kick (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #20
I agree, we need to have some debates that actually focus on something other than wall street and boston bean Feb 2016 #22
IMO, moderators tend to focus on areas where firebrand80 Feb 2016 #23
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
3. I kind of get the feeling
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

that they think marriage equality takes care of everything.

They are wrong of course, all groups of people are way more than one single issue.

Here is hoping they get with it. We all have spent way to long being boxed in by simplistic labels of concern.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
5. some establishment gay groups think the same in regards to
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

marriage equality takes care of everything. They have even shut down or want to (the Victory Fund in New York for example). Marriage and the Military, you can't find two more conservative "institutions" than that (((ASSIMILATE))) but that is a whole other big topic for anything day.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
11. the victory fund was all about marriage though
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

and thus shutting down was legitimate. They completed their mission.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
13. well I remember people having a fit about it that is why i mentioned it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:14 AM
Feb 2016

I don't pay much attention to any of these mainstream gay groups anymore to be honest.

brooklynite

(94,657 posts)
6. Allow me...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:06 AM
Feb 2016

Q. Do you support the protection of Civil Rights (including marriage rights) and oppose discrimination for the LGBT community?

A. Yes

dsc

(52,164 posts)
8. I think a more productive question is what executive powers would you use to bring about
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:10 AM
Feb 2016

those rights since the Congress won't be passing such a law anytime soon? Would either one treat schools and state governments as federal contractors for the purpose of the one Obama recently promlogated about employment discrimination? Would title 1 money be withheld from schools which prohibit GSA's or require trans students to use bathrooms that aren't the ones they wish to use?

brooklynite

(94,657 posts)
10. The Executive can't...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

...outside of policies affecting Federal agencies, which I suspect are already in place.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
12. obama already issued an executive order banning discrimination among federal contractors
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

similar to the one FDR did in the 1940's for African Americans

dsc

(52,164 posts)
17. none which is my point
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:28 AM
Feb 2016

but I don't see why under the same type of legal theory an executive order like this couldn't be expanded to included government and schools.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. Because they are not contractors
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

And waving a magic wand at the word "contractors" will not make them contractors.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
21. schools and governments purchase stuff from the government all the time
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

and provide services to the government for which they are paid. Would it be a stretch? Yes. Would it be upheld, maybe? Why not try.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. I bought a souvenir at a national park...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016

...that did not make me a federal contractor.

But more importantly, schools do not provide services to the federal government pursuant to a contract under which the schools are paid.

A federal contractor is a person who:

(1) Enters into any contract with the United States or any department or agency thereof either for—

(i) The rendition of personal services; or
(ii) Furnishing any material, supplies, or equipment; or
(iii) Selling any land or buildings;

(2) If the payment for the performance of the contract or payment for the material, supplies, equipment, land, or building is to be made in whole or in part from funds appropriated by the Congress.

...and for clarity it is the rendition, furnishing, or selling to the federal government.

You can't change a statutory definition by executive order, and if your school had a contract with the federal government, where was this contract kept?

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
14. Executive action.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

You could easily make it clear that contractors won't get a piece of that government money if they don't follow anti-discrimination measures. That could make quite an impact.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
15. Obama did that just recently
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

but my question to them would be would you expand the definition of contractor to include government and schools?

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
7. they all seem to stick to the same topics
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

over and over. It's ridiculous and LGBT issues should definitely be addressed. We've heard their views on Wall Street, war, the economy - move on!!

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
9. It may be because the establishment's candidate will come off poorly when compared to her opponent
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. This is important to me as well.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:34 AM
Feb 2016

I hope we are able to hear more about this with direct questions and answers from our candidates.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
22. I agree, we need to have some debates that actually focus on something other than wall street and
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

foreign policy.

We need to get into some nitty gritty.

Last debate Hillary's campaign complained no questions on this were asked.

I was hoping for a better set of questions.. but you are right we did not get them.

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