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elleng

(131,025 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:36 AM Feb 2016

In Democratic Debate, Hillary Clinton Paints Bernie Sanders’s Plans as Unrealistic.nyt

MILWAUKEE — Hillary Clinton, scrambling to recover from her double-digit defeat in the New Hampshire primary, repeatedly challenged the trillion-dollar policy plans of Bernie Sanders at their presidential debate on Thursday night and portrayed him as a big talker who needed to “level” with voters about the difficulty of accomplishing his agenda.

Foreign affairs also took on unusual prominence as Mrs. Clinton sought to underscore her experience and Mr. Sanders excoriated her judgment on Libya and Iraq, as well as her previous praise of former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger. But Mrs. Clinton was frequently on the offensive as well, seizing an opportunity to talk about leaders she admired and turning it against Mr. Sanders by bashing his past criticism of President Obama — a remark that Mr. Sanders called a “low blow.”

With tensions between the two Democrats becoming increasingly obvious, the debate was full of new lines of attack from Mrs. Clinton, who faces pressure to puncture Mr. Sanders’s growing popularity before the next nominating contests in Nevada and South Carolina. She is wagering that even voters excited by Mr. Sanders’s inspiring message will reconsider their support when they learn of his lack of experience in foreign policy and his vague explanations for how he will pay for his expansive government programs.

Mrs. Clinton pounced from the start, after Mr. Sanders demurred in saying how much his proposals would increase the size of the federal government. She stepped in and said that by economists’ estimates, the government would grow 40 percent under Mr. Sanders. And rather than aggressively bashing him, as she did at their debate last Thursday, she appeared to try to get under his skin by implying that he had not been transparent about the cost of his programs, such as his proposed expansion of government health care.

“This is not about math — this is about people’s lives, and we should level with the American people,” Mrs. Clinton said. “Every progressive economist who has analyzed that say the numbers don’t add up.” She then repeated a jab at Mr. Sanders’s reputation as a truth-teller that she would return to during the debate: “We should level with the American people about what we can do to get quality affordable health care.”

“I don’t know what economists Secretary Clinton is talking to,” Mr. Sanders responded, insisting that families could come out with savings. “That is absolutely inaccurate.”

Mr. Sanders, who has exuded confidence since his New Hampshire win, raising more than $6 million in the 24 hours after the polls closed there, was more pointed and even belittling of Mrs. Clinton at times. He said bluntly that some of her attacks were wrongheaded, and he was dismissive after Mrs. Clinton talked about her plans to increase federal spending by about $100 billion a year. After Mrs. Clinton responded to a question by saying, “once I’m in the White House,” he began his next answer by saying, “Secretary Clinton, you’re not in the White House yet,” drawing some murmurs and jeers.'>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/us/politics/democratic-debate.html?

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In Democratic Debate, Hillary Clinton Paints Bernie Sanders’s Plans as Unrealistic.nyt (Original Post) elleng Feb 2016 OP
it is worth reading through the many (over 250 now) reader's comments to this article. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #1
Didn't notice them, elleng Feb 2016 #2
and I am glad you posted the article! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #3
:pals: elleng Feb 2016 #4
Odd thing to notice, but as a Southerner, I only use "ain't" when I mean business. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #5
VERY cool! elleng Feb 2016 #6
It's not a "proper" word. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #7
The comments on the article are quite good n/t tokenlib Feb 2016 #8
Belittling? Really? They are really trying for the sympathy vote. Skwmom Feb 2016 #9

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
1. it is worth reading through the many (over 250 now) reader's comments to this article.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:44 AM
Feb 2016

Some really good stuff in there.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
5. Odd thing to notice, but as a Southerner, I only use "ain't" when I mean business.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:58 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie has only one connection to the South. His wife. She attended the University of Tennessee for a year and a half to two years until she married and became pregnant.

Not sure why she chose UT, but she still lived most of her life in the North.

That he used "ain't" in the BEST way possible - the ONLY way it's actually used down here (to drive a point home) - is really very honest. THIS is the way it's used.

Hill: "I don't know who it is you listen to...

Bern: "Well, it AIN'T Henry Kissinger."

That's the way you use "ain't."

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. It's not a "proper" word.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:09 AM
Feb 2016

I don't use it in business, but when I mean something, I say "ain't."

You've talked to me. You know I have a slight Southern drawl. But I'm definitively not Southern, as a general rule.

"Ain't" means business.

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