2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe establishment created a bloodbath in Syria. To the winner go the spoils
http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbathWikiLeaks Reveals How the US Aggressively Pursued Regime Change in Syria, Igniting a Bloodbath
And hosts? If you are wont to shut this one down then BainBanes's OP should be shut down, too.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Recall in 2003 when the Iraq invasion began, fox news was talking about how Syria was next.
Obama was almost drug into attacking Syria, but the People raised hell and he backed off, but the deed was done and here we are. I hope Kerry does very well with the cease fire, he's a real good SoS.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)resources to the west.
Fox News was right.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Regarding the so-called peaceful protesters, in fact there was a violent element from the start. In Deraa in March 2011 several police were killed. In the original capital of the revolution, Homs, a very credible eye-witness reported armed demonstrators initiating the violence.
Clinton confirms the anti-Assad obsession of the Gulf monarchies: Sunni countries, especially Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states, backed the rebels and wanted Assad gone (p 450).
This presents a baffling inconsistency: If the Syrian uprising was about freedom and democracy why was it being heavily promoted by repressive monarchies Saudi Arabia and Qatar?
Clinton was focused on building the anti-Assad forces instead of working toward diplomatic resolution. She recounts: As the crisis unfolded, one of the biggest challenges we faced was helping the opposition unite across the countrys many religious, geographic and ideological lines. (p 449) In early 2012 she coordinated the cynically named Friends of Syria coalition. This was the group of countries hostile to Syria and collectively agreeing how they would support a political front, support an armed insurrection and promote the activists fighting for freedom and democracy while on the payroll. At the first meeting in Tunisia in February 2012, as chaos was spreading in neighboring Libya, the Friends of Syria discussed the implementation of economic and other sanctions against Syria, training of Syrian civil opposition leaders. Clinton records behind the scenes there was a lot of talk in Tunis about funneling weapons to the rebels. (p452).
Clinton distorts the history in several areas. For example, regarding the findings of the Arab League mission which toured Syria in December-January of 2011/2 she says Arab monitors went to Syrias battle-scarred cities .once again it became clear that Assad had no intention of keeping his word. In late January 2012, the Arab League pulled the observers out in frustration and asked the UN Security Council to back its call for a political transition. (p 450)
In contrast with Clintons description, the mission report speaks about the Syrian governments cooperation. The mission wanted to continue but was stopped by the Arab League itself, presumably because the findings were contradicting the policy of the dominant powers in the Arab League.
Among other things, the Arab League mission report documented:
* violence by rebels against government and civilians including the bombing of a civilian bus;
* false and exaggerated reports in the international media;
* pro and anti government demonstrations which were NOT disrupted ;
* overall Syrian government cooperation and compliance with requests.....
more at the link
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/30/the-wicked-war-on-syria-hillary-clinton-in-her-own-words/
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)karynnj
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Had at its heart the resolution she negotiated in 2011. This is mind boggling as that resolution was vetoed by China and Russia and Iran was not at the table.
The UN resolution still represents a long shot, but a key difference is both Iran and Russia were involved in the negotiations that Kerry and Lavrov led. As this is both a US/RRussia and Iran/Saudi Arabia proxy war any serious effort should involve all of them.
That Kerry negotiated with all the stakeholders might be why he spent weeks on this, while HRC "negotiated" her resolution in one long day. As Russia vetoed it, she had no working relationship with Iran, and obviously Syria was not involved, the question is who they negotiated with.
amborin
(16,631 posts)false claim, right?
newfie11
(8,159 posts)The entire Middle East starting with Bush and all for oil.
Don't forget the pentagon letter about invading 7 countries in 5 years.