2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Is Calm, Cool and Effective
Facing off against Senator Bernie Sanders on Thursday night, Hillary Clinton did not comport herself like someone who had just suffered a landslide loss in New Hampshire. She did not raise her voice or express anger. She did not demonize Mr. Sanders or suggest he would be a dangerous choice for Democrats. She remained calm as he pungently sought to highlight their differences.
Instead, she behaved like someone heading into Nevada and South Carolina with every reason to be confident and little to fear but her own missteps.
A week after loudly confronting Mr. Sanders in a debate for perpetrating what she called a very artful smear against her, Mrs. Clinton took a far more strategic approach. She sought to portray her political approach as different from that of Mr. Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, but her tone was firm but not panicked. For much of the night, a viewer could have been forgiven for thinking that it was Mr. Sanders who was grappling with the way forward after being handed a 22-point loss two nights earlier and Mrs. Clinton who was riding high.
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Hillary Clinton took an entirely different tone tonight, and it played well, said Mr. Obamas former strategist, David Axelrod. Gone were the harsh attacks and strident tone of last week and in their place was a measured, respectful approach toward Sanders, even in the scrums.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-debate.html
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Well, okay, half the time she's cool calm and collected....The other half? Well, let's just say NOT
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Just like the Fonz
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That's really indisputable, isn't it?
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Personally, I prefer substance to style.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/presidents/warrenharding
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)THE BIRMINGHAM SPEECH
And now comes President Hardings Birmingham speech when unwittingly or deliberately the President brings the crisis. We may no longer dodge nor hesitate. We must all, black or white, Northerner or Southerner, stand in the light and speak plain words.
The President must not for a moment be blamed because, when invited to the semi-centennial of a great southern city of industry, he talked of the Negro instead of the results of profitable mining. There s but one subject in the South. The Southerners themselves can speak no other, think no other, act no other. The eternal and inevitable southern topic is and has been an will be the Black Man.
Moreover, the President laid down three theses with which no American can disagree without a degree of self-stultification almost inconceivable, namely:
1. The Negro must vote on the same terms that white folk vote.
2. The Negro must be educated.
3. The Negro must have economic Justice.
The sensitive may not that the President qualified these demands somewhat, even dangerously, and yet they stand out so clearly in his speech that he must be credited with meaning to give them their real significance. And in this the President made a braver, clearer utterance than Theodore Roosevelt ever dared to make or than William Taft or William McKinley ever dreamed of. For this let us give him every ounce of credit he deserves.
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W. E. B. Dubois
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/president-harding-and-social-equality/
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I won't argue about that.
But everything else, well, not so great.
And I won't argue about Wilson, either. My grandmother absolutely hated him, because he made the teaching of her first language illegal.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He issued executive orders that resulted in the firing and demotion of black civil servants. It's worth noting that the Republicans were once the good guys when it comes to civil rights.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)But both of her parents were German immigrants, so her first language was German. But around the time she was entering high school, Wilson was ratcheting up the anti-German propaganda, and from what I heard, she went through a lot of grief during that period. She even ended up changing the spelling of her name to make it sound "more American".
And she hated FDR, too. I guess she figured that if they were sending Japanese-Americans to internment camps, they might start sending German-Americans to camps, too.
And speaking of Japanese-American internment camps, during the Bush-Gore campaign, I met the parents of a Japanese-American friend of mine. They had been sent to one of the camps in the East, and they had disliked Democrats ever since. They asked me who I was voting for, I told them I was voting for Gore, and they looked a little stunned. After I explained why, they seemed a little relieved. They had mistrusted Democrats for over 50 years.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)We can even discuss the limits on Jewish immigration during WW ll. But to my maternal Jewish grandmother FDR was a demigod. We can now see him, as a great but flawed man, like most individuals.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think she knows now that is things are going to get alot better for her going forward.
Vinca
(50,299 posts)Her overabundance of "ahs" drives me nuts, too. Very scripted, very phony and the only one of the two to receive a subpoena this week.
mcar
(42,350 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but that's also a problem because it's yet another version of Hillary. I wish I could see her be consistent across several appearances. Then at least I could get a feel for who she really is.
Also, the mask kind of slipped at the end there when she tried to stab Bernie with Obama. There was the old Hillary we know...
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Very impressive
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Michael Corleone. He always remained calm and cool -- and effective -- at least in public -- while his underlings and associates were up to all sorts of "shenanigans."