Are women really underpaid? Hillary doesn't think so

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

All I have to say is 77 cents, and we all know what I'm referring to: women earn 77 cents per every $1 paid to men. By now, this is common knowledge. So why does Hillary use it when she paid her own female staffers 72 cents per every $1 earned by male staffers?

Here's an important caveat that's omitted from the debate.

"
However, as many have noted in analyzing the larger wage gap issue, it's perfectly possible that Clinton's salaries were fair: Women do make less than men when we look at sheer averages, but when we control for gendered differences in job selection — women tend to work more part-time jobs, leave the workforce for child rearing more often, and favor jobs with higher flexibility but lower pay — the wage gap shrinks significantly, to as little as 4.5 or 6.6 percent."

Bernie needs to call Hillary out on the 72 cents so she can explain why she (1) paid women less than 77 cents, and (2) that the 77 cent to every $1 claim is really a distortion.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/540672/hillary-clinton-paid-female-staff-72-cents-each-dollar-paid-men-when-senator

[boston bean]

1. Was wondering how long it would take before we started seeing

the MRA talking points...

However, as many have noted in analyzing the larger wage gap issue, it's perfectly possible that Clinton's salaries were fair: Women do make less than men when we look at sheer averages, but when we control for gendered differences in job selection — women tend to work more part-time jobs, leave the workforce for child rearing more often, and favor jobs with higher flexibility but lower pay — the wage gap shrinks significantly, to as little as 4.5 or 6.6 percent."

And then when you go to the link you see the data is from the Washington Free Beacon.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. Beans! I'm absolutely not disputing that!

But you don't want to hear it. You made up your mind about what my OP says because it puts Hillary in a very compromised position.

Let her explain that she did pay $1 to $1 (no one - not even me! - disputes that). But her explanation will have to bring the caveat into the discussion and admit the meme about 77 cents (and her 72 cents) is a complete distortion. Despite the fact Hillary knows it's a distortion, she's going to repeat it anyway.

Call her out on it. People don't know she's distorting the facts. Then we'll all understand the reason her 72 cents per $1 is B.S., too. You call her on it because it makes her look really bad.

I don't expect you to get it, because you're in the bubble and made up your mind about what I'm saying. Like Hills, you're being disingenuous and distorting, too.

[PeaceNikki]

6. So .. Your argument is that there is no gender pay gap?

[TheBlackAdder]

22. Try rereading that. Not the best structure, but not the message you think is being conveyed. nt

[seaglass]

23. And it has been debunked. Pinebox just deleted an OP on this yesterday.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/gender-pay-gap-in-clintons-senate-office/

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

27. This doesn't debunk anything. The woman says this in the paragraph I quoted

The 72 cents is a distortion. I actually pay my staffers the same, but this is why President Obama and I cite the 77 cent number all the time...

[seaglass]

30. It sure does. You should read it. n/t

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

34. It explains the methodology behind the 72 cents

and says it's bullshit to accuse Hillary of paying her female staff 72 cents to the $1 she paid men. The woman in the article -- specifically, the part I quoted in the OP -- says it's bullshit, because of the dumbass methodology. That's unfair to Hillary. She doesn't use those words, but that's the conclusion. But I took the 77 cent number at face value because Obama and every Dem have repeated it ad nauseum. If I took it at face value, tens of thousands did, too. Now I know the methodology behind the numbers. She has some exposure IMO. Defending herself makes one question why they cite the 77 cent number if it's as "fair" a calculation as the 72 cents.

Total non sequitor:
I've been feeling the Bern for months, but I'm starting to see the writing on the wall already. I'm in Chicago, and well over 60% of the primary will be behind us. I swear to god, I'm not going to attack Hillary when Bernie drops out. She's the Democrat. She must win. In the meantime, I'm going to play Bernie's strategic advisor.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

31. The woman is defending Hillary

[SamKnause]

2. Bernie Sanders is paying his interns $12.00 per hour.

Hillary is not paying her interns.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. What a laugh!

Not only is this not referenced, but no one would know, based on the corrupt campaign finance changes WHO THE HELL IS PAYING her "interns"

Give me a break!.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Sean Hannity thanks you for spreading his BS

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/may/21/sean-hannity/sean-hannity-senator-hillary-clinton-paid-female-s/

And: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/gender-pay-gap-in-clintons-senate-office/

And: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-gender-pay-gap_n_7117620.html

[el_bryanto]

5. I don't think Bernie is going to stump against equal wages for women. Just seems unlikely. nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

7. I totally believe she's paying $1 to $1. And whoever said Bernie won't challenger her

is correct. But someone should, since 72 cents is less than 77 cents. Hillary has a credibility problem. As a Bernie supporter, of course I want her to come out of this with egg on her face.

aside: I love the fact that Bean quoted the exact paragraph I quoted. Evidence she made up her mind based solely on the title.

Do I believe there's an income gap? Absolutely. That has nothing to do with the thread. For me, it's just another opportunity to demonstrate Hillary has a credibility problem. Forcing her to explain why 72 cents is a distortion of facts because she pays women $1 to every $1 punches a mamouth hole in her 77 cent claim. It's a 2-fer, she gets exposed while teaching America about the math behind the 72 and 77 cents.

I don't expect her supports to approve, and like the poster above said, I don't expect Bernie to call her out. But I will. And I hope a moderator does, too.

[el_bryanto]

8. So you think the Moderator or Sanders should explain to Clinton that there is no income disparity

between men and women? Seems like an easy softball for Hillary.

Bryant

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

10. Hahaha you just read the post you're responding to and...

and managed to substitute "Bernie explain to Hillary" for "Hillary to explain to the moderator and all of America."

You guys really decided on the narrative and have to twist what I'm saying to fit it. It would probably help to use an example that has nothing to do with the two candidates.

[el_bryanto]

11. I should make it clear that I support Bernie over Clinton

I just think this is, no offense, a losing argument. It's factually inaccurate in my opinion, and its politically a disaster.

Bryant

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

14. I agree. Bernie is classier than me :)

But it's fair game and I'd like to see a moderator ask her to explain the 72 cents. It's their job. If they ask her, it's no longer a loser. You are correct, for Bernie or his team to do this is a political disaster. After some consideration, a moderator should ask.

[Nonhlanhla]

9. Oh, do pursue this line of argument

Why don't you Bernie supporters start a campaign claiming that there is no gender wage gap?

Se how that works out for you.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

12. Fine. What's wrong with a moderator asking her to explain?

That's their job. It doesn't have to be a Bernie supporter.

What's wrong with a moderator asking her?

[Nonhlanhla]

13. Nothing. Ask away.

Please go ahead with this line of inquiry. Put Hillary on the defensive about the issue of women's unequal pay.

See how that works out for you.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

15. This article was written by Bonnie Kristian (whoever that is) and posted to Facebook

There a chance it could go viral for one reason: people think Hillary is being a hypocrite, yet again. If it goes viral, it could easily get to the media, and they could very well ask Hillary to address it. Bernie has more important things on his mind and is totally oblivious to this article. In fact, Bernie doesn't care and thinks it's a shitty question to ask. But the moderator asks. Hillary is offended, outraged, and goes into a rant, but avoids the question. After she's finished, people are left wondering why she only pays her female staff 72 cents for every $1 paid to her male staff.

This is fucking awesome! It'll make Hillary look like a hypocrite.



GSM

[Nonhlanhla]

16. Do you really want to go along with a GOP smear? nt.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

20. I was typing #18 when you posted this. I believe it answers your question

In short, it's coming, soon or later. Probably later. This isn't about me. It's fair game and the media -- now you guys made it obvious -- will ask her.

Would you rather she be asked in the GE by Sean Hannity or in the Primary before the GE? That's a tough one. I think it might behoove her to answer it in the Primary, first, that way, she'll be more prepared for Hannity. Apparently, you guys disagree and want Hannity to eviscorate her. Tough call, I agree.

[PeaceNikki]

19. She's a conservative leaning Liberaterian

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/author/bonnie-kristian

Here's her blog titled: The Hipster Libertarian
http://bonniekristian.com/

With a recent article titled: "Bernie Sanders is not nearly as progressive as you think he is "

To quote the RudePundit: ".... if you declare you despise the other candidate, you should ask who you're believing, especially when it comes to Clinton. You might be laying down in a bed of slime."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

25. It's itrelavant. Hannity will ask her. I guess the question becomes, does it behoove her

to answer it now or wait for Hannity? Tough call. I say, ask her now so she is better prepared for Hannity.

As for my strong dislike of the Hillary, the Clintons, and the Third Way, she'll be my candidate and I will proudly vote for her.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

18. Someone mentioned Sean Hannity and provided 3 links. You know what that means?

It's going to come up in the GE debates, for certain. She better be on her game. Of course, I'd like to see her address it sooner than later.

But that's me. I don't like the Clintons or the Third Way. (Don't worry, I'll vote for her in the GE and know I made a historic vote.)

[PeaceNikki]

21. Lol, no it won't. It's a stupid RW smear in a stupid article written by a stupid RW Libertarian.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1211316

To quote the RudePundit: ".... if you declare you despise the other candidate, you should ask who you're believing, especially when it comes to Clinton. You might be laying down in a bed of slime."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

26. Doesn't Fox get a debate? If it's a RW smear, they'll fling

their feces at her.

As for Rude's post, I responded to it the first time you posted it.

[NCTraveler]

24. Thank you for presenting how the MRA and...

Right wingers are attacking Clinton. It's great that you are standing up for Clinton as these extreme smears come at her.

Fuck right wingers and their bullshit.

[DesMoinesDem]

28. "By now, this is common knowledge." The 77 cent claim is a myth. That should be common knowledge.

Only people that like comparing bananas to apples care about the 77 cent claim.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/04/02/the-equal-pay-day-factoid-that-women-make-78-cents-for-every-dollar-earned-by-men/

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

29. Obama and Hillary and every Democrat cite it

[DesMoinesDem]

32. A hope you're not implying that that makes it true.

Politicians cite all kinds of bs for political purposes. And the 77 cent number is bs.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

33. Right. I took it at face value until today. If I did

tens of thousands did, too.