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Great question, Prof. Cohen...
Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie?
by Jeff Cohen
Common Dreams, February 11, 2016
Corporate mainstream media have sanitized and distorted the life and teachings of Martin Luther King Jr., putting him in the category of a civil rights leader who focused narrowly on racial discrimination; end of story.
Missing from the story is that Dr. King was also a tough-minded critic of our capitalist economic structure, much like Bernie Sanders is today.
The reality is that King himself supported democratic socialism and that civil rights activists and socialists have walked arm-in-arm for more than a century.
The same news outlets that omit such facts keep telling us that the mass of African American voters in South Carolina and elsewhere are diehard devotees of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton implying that blacks are somehow wary of Bernie Sanders and his democratic socialism.
Here are some key historical facts and quotes that get almost no attention in mainstream media:
1909: Many socialists both blacks and whites were involved in forming the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), our countrys oldest civil rights group. Among them was renowned black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois.
1925: Prominent African American socialist A. Philip Randolph became the first president of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, a union that played a major role in activism for civil and economic rights (including the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom).
1952: In a fascinating letter to Coretta Scott, the woman he would marry a year later, Martin King wrote: I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. . . . Today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.
1965: King wrote an essay in Pageant magazine, The Bravest Man I Ever Knew, extolling Norman Thomas as Americas foremost socialist and favorably quoting a black activist who said of Thomas: He was for us before any other white folks were.
1965: After passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965, King became even more vocal about economic rights: What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you cant afford to buy a hamburger?
1965-66: King supported President Lyndon Johnsons War on Poverty but urged more calling for a gigantic Marshall Plan for our natons poor of all races.
1966: In remarks to staffers at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), King said:
You cant talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You cant talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. Youre really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. . . . It really means that we are saying something is wrong with capitalism. There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.
March 1967: King commented to SCLCs board that the evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.
April 1967: In his speech denouncing the U.S. war in Vietnam at New Yorks Riverside Church, King extended his economic critique abroad, complaining about capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries.
May 1967: In a report to SCLCs staff, King said:
We must recognize that we cant solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power . . . this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you cant really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.
August 1967: In his final speech to SCLC, King declared:
One day we must ask the question, Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, Who owns the oil? You begin to ask the question, Who owns the iron ore? You begin to ask the question, Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?
Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he and SCLC were mobilizing a multiracial army of the poor to descend nonviolently on Washington D.C. demanding a Poor Peoples Bill of Rights. He told a New York Times reporter that you could say were involved in the class struggle.
A year before he was murdered, King said the following to journalist David Halberstam: For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of the South, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think youve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.
Unlike what Hillary Clinton professes today, Dr. King came to reject the idea of slow, incremental change. He thought big. He proposed solutions that could really solve social problems.
Unlike corporate-dominated U.S. media, King was not at all afraid of democratic socialism. Other eminent African American leaders have been unafraid. Perhaps its historically fitting that former NAACP president Ben Jealous has recently campaigned for Bernie Sanders in South Carolina.
If mainstream journalists did more reporting on the candidates actual records, instead of crystal-ball gazing about the alleged hold that the Clintons have over African American voters, news consumers would know about the deplorable record of racially-biased incarceration and economic hardship brought on by Clinton administration policies. (See Michelle Alexanders Why Hillary Clinton Doesnt Deserve the Black Vote.)
With income inequality even greater now than during Martin Luther Kings final years, is there much doubt that King would be supporting the progressive domestic agenda of Bernie Sanders?
Before Bernie was making these kinds of big economic reform proposals, King was making them but mainstream media didnt want to hear them at the time . . . or now.
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License
Jeff Cohen is an associate professor of journalism and the director of the Park Center for Independent Media at Ithaca College, founder of the media watch group FAIR, and former board member of Progressive Democrats of America. In 2002, he was a producer and pundit at MSNBC (overseen by NBC News). He is the author of Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media - and a cofounder of the online action group, www.RootsAction.org.
SOURCE (with links to original sources): http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/11/reality-check-democrats-would-martin-luther-king-be-supporting-bernie
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The article is based on Dr. King's life, works and words.
Never from a black perspective,
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's not very democratic.
But this is meant to draw blacks to bernie but nobody will listen to this guy lecturing us.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Never cleaved to him, when it was more convenient?
Never wrapped herself in MLK's legacy?
She's a civil rights Saint?
Bullshit. She's a self-interested career pol who will say and do practically anything, out of both sides of her mouth, to get into the Oval Office.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)hueymahl
(2,503 posts)I'm glad you think she likes you. Not the strongest argument I have heard, but whatever works for you.
TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts).
Things really get going after the 7 min. mark...
Dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, favoring McCain over Obama, etc., and her allusion to assassination.
She partially atoned for her actions, but KXL, Big Money, Big Oil, etc. gives me reservations.
I will vote Democratic, no matter who the nominee is, but I struggle now to stay uncommitted.
Who is she really, inside? I don't think anyone of us knows!
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LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Should Hillary be the nominee, I will have to hold my nose and vote for her - without joy, without enthusiasm and without any illusions that she is anything but the lesser of evils!
jalan48
(13,876 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #22)
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thereismore
(13,326 posts)She likes black leaders alright, because she can get endorsements from them (strictly my opinion). She does not like your children, however. They are nothing but super-predators that need to be brung to heel. Has she done that to you bravenak?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are human. Some think that money is the solution to everything and refuse to listen. My children are so cute everybody likes them. I'll send you a pic.
That clip of her is so old that it is not a make or break moment. Remember Sen Byrd? I'm fine with him even with his history.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)admit any wrong doings (except the most obvious, IWR) so I don't have any reason to think she has changed. She is the same Hillary that said those things.
No need to send me pictures, but maybe you should send your kids' pictures to Hillary and ask her "Do these kids look like super-predators to you?"
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know exactly who she meant and I was like yep, arrest THEM. Damn crackheads. We did not understand addiction as well.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I beat up on her for years. Then I remembered what it was like living in those ghettos because I ACTUALLY lived there. After taking in the children of several relatives and watching their parents fuck up, I get it. My cousins gangbanging. My friends dead in drive bys. My friends were murdered by those 'superredators'. After a dozen funerals you might just change your view. None of their killers were caught except one and he was white so probation for him.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)She is as racist as they come. You are blind.
It would have been more accurate to talk about kids in gangs, mostly in poor neighborhoods. Not black kids.
The reason they are in gangs is not that they are black. Hillary is flat wrong. It is her kind of attitude that is filling prisons with mostly black youth and people of color. I am flabbergasted that you don't see it.
Maybe you don't know white people like I do. Maybe you should not speak about what she is thinking. I am better qualified than you, being white. And let me tell you this: Hillary is a racist opportunist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He is in jail now for another murder. Gangbanger.
My stepdad is white and racist too. But he likes black women. See? We deal with raciss as a RULE not the EXCEPTION. All of our presidents except Obama had something not cool except maybe Carter. PERIOD. FDR? Yep. Lincoln? Yep. Grant? Yep. Washington? Yep. TR? Oh yeah.
When have we had all these nonracists to choose from? One lady said racist stuff, the dude aint been around blacks since civil rights. Who to choose? Jill Stein. But she aint no demicrat and cant win. She should be Hills running mate, teach her about intersections.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)you have been conditioned to accept that as the norm. Fair enough.
Carter is not a racist, maybe. I agree. I feel the same about him. Bill Clinton? Racist opportunist, that's how I see him. Hillary the same.
Sanders I think is a lot closer to Carter than any of them. I think you will see that in time. Peace.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yes. You are right about conditioned to accept it as the norm. It is. Sad, but true. I used to feel it in my chest. But it hurts too much to hold on to every little thing. Kills us inside.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What is "it"?
And what does any of this have to do with Hillary?
You have noticed she's not black...right? I mean since you claim only blacks can "get it".
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cant answer. Are you saying she is like paula deen? I forgive her too, she dont know no better, poor thang. Bless their hearts.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I honestly don't know what you're talking about....
What does Paula Dean have to do with anything???? Is she running for office?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Everybody eats grits that I know.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)replace food with theories and facts...... bored toilet paper.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #55)
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)when you are more to the left than even Jill Stein.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Because Bernie does not do nuance. He fails to get the nuances. At the very least we can get movement on womens issues through Hillary, whether I love her or not. I want the ERA among other things. She will concentrate on equality for women. We do not have that yet.
If Bernie had taken the time to do what he is doing now a year ago I'd think him sincere.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)She really is the only candidate I'd take it to the streets for if she was a Democrat.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)That's a ticket I'd like to see.
Just imagine the bumper stickers.
Sid
bravenak
(34,648 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I don't think I've heard that one before.
You are talking to the great arbitrator on all things black and white or POC that should be fracked for untapped
deposits of smugness.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)about "inner city Super predators"...
Dog whistling far into KKK land while defending the 3 strikes you're out laws.
So in what way have the Clintons helped the African American community the last 20 years?
What have they done for the NATIVE Americans the last 20 years?
Or veterans?
Or LGBT?
Or American workers? How many jobs did Clinton create with NAFTA?
Hillary! What a champion for civil rights!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Her admiration for Kissinger?
Her race baiting in the 90's?
Sending millions of black kids in prison?
Cutting services that others take for granted?
What is it about Hillary that makes you all weak in the knees and run to the poll to vote for her after adding 10 dollars to her 675 000 dollar speaking fees?
With that, she'd have 675 010 dollars to smear Bernie Sanders and his supporters with. Congrats for your support for a war monger who didn't get it right the first time!
And Hillary supporters are bitching about not getting respect or pandered to like children...
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Go slither back to your group and keep tossing people who mistrust Hillary
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #77)
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)And I live upstairs. But i am not jerk that is an insult
marble falls
(57,136 posts)racism in his last two comments.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I read this today: http://pleasecutthecrap.com/white-liberals-stop-embarrassing-me/
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Go slither back to your group and keep tossing people who mistrust Hillary
-ChairmanAgnostic
Manual stimulation of the male (or less often female) genitalia.
tossing off- masturbation)
tossing him off- (hand-job)
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You must have the thinnest skin in the US. Someone posts factual information about what Dr. King really stood for and you get the vapors.
If you want to refute the article fine. Just don't be whiny about the fact it was posted.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Why dont you like it?
I would think by now you would be used to the kind of white privilege and arrogance that allows it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)21st Century Poet
(254 posts)How for the love of all that is holy is Martin Luther King not from a black perspective?
Is Hillary Clinton from a black perspective?
TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303624.html
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The primary source of the debate is a comment Monday from the New York Democrat: "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," she said, adding that "it took a president to get it done." Critics read that as playing down King's importance in the civil rights movement. Clinton said Sunday that the Obama campaign was "deliberately distorting this."
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"Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement," Obama said in a conference call with reporters. "I haven't remarked on it. And she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that. But the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."
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firebrand80
(2,760 posts)In honor of this thread
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I love these Seances
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Do you have something against the actual words and philosophy of MLK Jr?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)POC vote in NH:
Clinton 52 %
Sanders 48%
Imagine what will happen if he ever connects with POC.
Feel the Bern
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Asian. Pacific islander. Hispanic. Hello?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)We will not be silent.
We will repeat our message over and over.
They will hear us !!!!
Enough is Enough.
FEEL THE BERN
Octafish
(55,745 posts)IMO, he is a top educator:
Media Millionaires
Journalism by and for the 0.01 Percent
Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting
EXCERPT...
The media business outstrips other industries in generously compensating its top executives (New York Times, 5/5/13), and those resources could of course be put to better use by hiring reporters. But thats not the way the system works. And its not just the bosses getting rich. Indeed, many high-profile members of the media elite live a rather charmed life. The journalism business looks to be in a disastrous statebut the view from the top is just fine.
SNIP...
David Gregory
As host of NBCs Meet the Press, David Gregory is paid to quiz politicians on the tough issues of the day. But he offers his own opinions on the show, too; hes encouraged the Obama White House to propose big spending cuts in order to confuse Republicans (1/27/13; FAIR Blog, 1/29/13). He thinks the White House should have done more to have a moment in the Rose Garden with a few corporate CEOs (11/11/12; FAIR Blog, 11/13/12), and demanded to hear more from the White House about the hard choices Americans must make to get by with less (1/29/12). He worried about the problem of Occupy activists demonizing Wall Street (10/10/11). He expressed concern that the more people criticize big banks, the closer you get to wiping out the shareholder completelya person who is not just a fat cat (2/22/09).
In that sense, Gregory is reflecting what passes for conventional wisdom in corporate mediabut also among people in Gregorys economic class. His salary is not disclosed, but his predecessor, Tim Russert, reportedly made more than $5 million a year (Washington Post, 5/23/04). As Politico reported (3/15/12), Gregory was seeking membership in the exclusive Chevy Chase Club, which requires an $80,000 initiation fee. Gregory was sponsored by a couple of Washington-area real estate moguls.
SNIP...
In 2013, Gregory made gossipy news in Washington after apparently becoming incensed about a parking situation near his home (Washington Post, 4/10/13). Visitors to the D.C. Design House, an architectural showcase to benefit the Childrens National Medical Center, were evidently clogging up the streets near Gregorys home. According to one of the designers, Gregory came to the house to very loudly complain on the front lawn. Witnesses claimed that Gregory yelled something about knowing all the politicians in town, which the anchor denied.
CONTINUED with Links and professional profiles on the likes of Thomas Friedman, Fareed Zakariah, Chris Matthews, Bill O'Reilly...
http://fair.org/slider/cover-story-media-millionaires/
Real journalists let the facts speak for themselves.
bigtree
(86,004 posts)...right up there with 'what would Jesus say.'
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Do you think Henry Kissinger gave much thought to what Dr. King said?
bigtree
(86,004 posts)...doesn't make your case about who or what the revered civil rights leader would support in this election.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Let's take Honduras.
Hillary Clintons Honduran Disgrace
By Matthew Rothschild
The Progressive, March 5, 2010
Hillary Clinton continues with her hawkish ways, making Obamas foreign policy less distinguishable from Bushs every day.
She just met with Honduran President Pepe Lobo, shes notified Congress that the Obama administration is restoring aid to Honduras, and shes urging Latin American nations to recognize the Lobo government in Tegucigalpa.
The democratic opposition in Honduras boycotted Lobos election, since hes allied with the forces that overthrew Manuel Zelaya last June.
But for the longest time, Hillary Clinton stubbornly refused to call the June takeover a coup, even though her boss, the president of the United States, immediately denounced it as such.
SNIP..
Other countries of the region say that they want to wait a while, she said on her Latin American trip. I dont know what theyre waiting for.
CONTINUED...
http://progressive.org/wx030510.html
So. There is that.
Then, there's Venezuela...and Libya...and Syria...and Ukraine...and other places where democracy takes a back seat to business.
bigtree
(86,004 posts)...I'm more comfortable discussing which issues I believe he would support, but that's not appropriate or effective in this election forum.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)You are being facetious. The argument IS about issues but the issues do not come from thin air but from candidates. If one can argue about which issues Martin Luther King would support, then one can also argue about which candidate he would support. The issues are directly linked to the candidates who bring them up. 'Free college' is, for example, one issue which is only linked to Bernie Sanders so arguing for free college means arguing in favour of Bernie Sanders.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)out of sending millions of black kids into the prison system as cheap labor without getting an education, you sir, are naive...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-the-shame-of-three-strikes-laws-20130327
bigtree
(86,004 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)It would exlude any Hillary policy and endorse the policies of Bernie Sanders...
Get it?
Wonder how many Hillary supporters were on the anti-Obama campaign have turned around trying to make it seem as their leader (Hillary) has a clean slate regarding sleazy campaigns and race baiting are now claiming to be warm Obama supporters and stand behind his policies..
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If I see a homeless person I am going to give him or her a buck or buy him or her lunch, because that's what my savior would do. But I am not going to speak for him on such specific matters as who he would support in a presidential election. That would be blasphemous and presumptuous, not to mention silly,
delrem
(9,688 posts)To deny the relevancy of that to the current political discussion is to deny the relevance of MLK's political identity.
It is to deny the man, to deny what he STOOD for.
Although tossing a homeless person a buck "because that's what my savior would do" might give a right-winger a pleasant feeling about themselves, if and when they can remember to actually do it, a random dollar of personal charity won't change the homeless person's desperate situation. According as the quotations in the OP, MLK thought systemic change along the lines promoted by democratic socialists (such as himself) was called for.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If you believe you can speak for Dr. King there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But we are taught God doesn't like mediums and spritists.
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the LORD your God."
-Leviticus 19:31
BTW, I believe we are witnessing necroramancing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If somebody can resurrect Martin, Malcolm, the martyred Kennedy brothers, and make Muhammad Ali thirty years old again they have my vote.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Everybody!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The scene in Jungle Fever where Ossie Davis shoots Samuel L Jackson is a take on that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)you can stone your wife to death and you can sell your daughter into slavery. I do not believe in the bronze age laws.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Regardless, I am not a big fan of clairvoyants, soothsayers, or prestidigitators.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)In Leviticus it also says you can stone to death an unruly child.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)If you believe that Dr. King can't speak for Dr. King, there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Here's an exercise...
Please find out who the closest living person to Dr. King beside his own children is and see who he is supporting in the Democratic primary.
Hint, it's not John Lewis.
delrem
(9,688 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am a human being and not a piece of work. That being said, I don't believe Dr. King's kin have made any endorsements, so it's only logical to look to those closest to him, who are still alive
My challenge.
Here's an exercise...
Please find out who the closest living person to Dr. King beside his own children is and see who he is supporting in the Democratic primary.
Hint, it's not John Lewis
I will throw you a lifeline:
In 1964, Young was named executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), becoming, in that capacity, one of King's principal lieutenants. As a colleague and friend of Martin Luther King Jr., he was a strategist and negotiator during the Civil Rights Campaigns in Birmingham (1963), St. Augustine (1964), Selma (1965), and Atlanta (1966). He was jailed for his participation in civil rights demonstrations, both in Selma, Alabama, and in St. Augustine, Florida. The movement gained congressional passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act. Young was with King in Memphis, Tennessee, when King was assassinated in 1968.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/10/7/1428736/-Civil-Rights-heroes-John-Lewis-and-Andrew-Young-Supporting-Hillary
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Tanuki
(14,919 posts)bed sheets. Only now they're exploiting him to sell the Bern.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/retailers-turn-mlk-day-into-a-shopping-bonanza/
"Much of the country pauses Monday to remember Martin Luther King Jr. and his message of perseverance and courage.
For some retailers, though, the holiday has become a moneymaker, a way to boost sales and attract shoppers who have the day off of work. And that's not sitting well with some critics, who say that kind of commercialism is no way to remember the civil rights leader.
"Shout out to The Gap who is having an MLK sale. Nothing honors him more than 30 percent off some khakis," wrote one Twitter user. The retailer sent an email ad offering up to 50 percent off for "The MLK Event."
Gap isn't alone. Numerous retailers are offering Martin Luther King promotions. Furniture stores are pushing doorbuster deals. Samsonite is discounting luggage. Honda dealers are promoting an "MLK Drive Away" in this ad.
"Am I the only person who thinks that @Honda's 'MLK Drive Away' promo is tacky at best, irreverently offensive at worst?" asked another Twitter user.".....(more at link)
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)that makes me giggle. oh the contortions...
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Simple question. Do you have an answer?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)21st Century Poet
(254 posts)The Martin Luther King and Jesus exercise is far from offensive and worth engaging in.
If, based on Mahatma Gandhi's words, I were to say that he would find the hunting of animals for sport abhorrent, is that offensive or probably right on the mark?
If, based on his words and actions, I were to say that Adolf Hitler would be appalled at the idea of a Jew possibly becoming the leader of the free world, is that offensive or an educated guess based on reason and logic?
People engage in this kind of intellectual exercise because it makes sense. The writer of the article obviously looks up to Martin Luther King and is making an educated guess on whom King would support based on his own words, actions and issues he himself supported.
If you have reasons as to why Martin Luther King would support Hillary Clinton or would not support Bernie Sanders, then just come out with them. If you cannot understand how the exercise works or why people engage in it, though, then I will just have to conclude that you are very thick.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and it is the height of navel-gazing arrogance for anybody else to do so, imo...
Nothing but shameless pandering.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Bernie Sanders stands for equality, justice, prosperity and peace for all.
Call me a shameless panderer or whatever you want for pointing it out.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)what do you think he stands for?
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)but currently he is standing for the establishment. He implied that Sanders was lying and that is bearing false witness against another. I feel disappointed.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Thank you.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A living Buddha put it into words...
The American Empire is in decline. Our market-driven culture is in decay. The criminal justice system has failed us. And the political system is collapsing due to the weight of corrupt lobbyists and greedy capitalists. Only organized power of courageous and compassionate people can turn around these catastrophic realities. Social movements in the streets and jails over against the Establishment in both decrepit political parties are fundamental. And prophetic politicians -- always with their faults and blind spots -- who tell the truth about Wall Street, white supremacy, empire, patriarchy and homophobia, deserve our critical support. Yet even more important is the issue of integrity.
Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents. Yet only Bernie has authenticity and integrity, whereas Trump is for real but not for right. Trump's attacks on precious Mexican brothers and sisters are unconscionable -- even as his blessed mother was born in Scotland and grandfather (Mr. Drumpf) was born in Germany. His kind of nativistic hostility could have excluded them. And Trump's unpatriotic complicity with the plutocratic corruption of our political system for over 30 years calls into question his integrity, including his commitment to "make America great again."
My endorsement of Brother Bernie in the primaries is not an affirmation of the neo-liberal Democratic Party or a downplaying of the immorality of the ugly Israeli occupation of Palestinians. I do so because he is a long-distance runner with integrity in the struggle for justice for over 50 years. Now is the time for his prophetic voice to be heard across our crisis-ridden country, even as we push him with integrity toward a more comprehensive vision of freedom for all.
SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/drcornelwest/posts/10155953989390111
PS: You are most welcome, FlatBaroque! Thank you for grokking.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)My endorsement of Brother Bernie in the primaries is not an affirmation of the neo-liberal Democratic Party or a downplaying of the immorality of the ugly Israeli occupation of Palestinians
LOVE the disclaimers.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Really? That's hard to take seriously.
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)Maybe that it's not written by a black leader or someone that was close to MLK hurts it's perceived credibility.
Maybe saying "King himself supported democratic socialism" goes too far trying to put that label on it.
But there is no escaping MLK was very concerned with economic unfairness for blacks. Here's a quote of his that stuck with me:
"We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one."
MLK "I Have A Dream" speech 1963
At least, 27% of blacks, if not more, are still in that ghetto.
The one candidate who has been consistently against that and for getting people out of poverty since before he heard the above quote in 1963 is Bernie Sanders.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)With few jobs, fewer prospects for the future, and on-the-main substandard public schools, too many urban centers are little more than open-air prisons.
Thank you for grokking, Jarqui.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)' For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of the South, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think youve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values. '
It is a statement that describes a basic difference between the two democratic candidates, and that was 1967.
It is presumptuous to believe the quotes in the OP are the only ones upon which he would make his choice. It is also presumptuous to think he'd still feel the same way. Politicians evolve, right? I don't think you need to think too hard to get your answer, though.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The issue is all about "Integrity." Dr. King went to Memphis to support the striking sanitation workers -- the garbage men. He cared for the poor and powerless then. Were he alive, he'd still care for them.
Now, some politicians I know, they'd have said all the nice words about economic justice in public. After the bill's signed into law, though, we discover the bill's all about "Just Us."
Take the Gramm-Bliley-Leach Act, the "Financial Services Modernization Act" that deregulated Wall Street Banks and put the taxpayers on the hook for the bill at the casino. After it's passage in 1999, Phil Gramm, the bill's Senate ramrod, left government service to serve UBS as Vice Chairman. The president who signed the measure into law in 2000, Bill Clinton, was hired to help him at UBS in their work in Wealth Management. They would be joined at UBS by George W Bush and James Carville and others from their contact list.
http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
Meanwhile, the middle class evaporates to join the poor. And to think, these are the wealthiest times in human history.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)Doing a 180 and supporting Trump just wouldn't have happened.
Capitalism cares about the size of the pie, not how its distributed. The money spent controlling Congress is just a cost of doing business.
Every bill seems to have unrelated crap in it. That way, no matter what you vote for or against, you always have a built in excuse why you did what you did. Some of the worst legislation gets tucked into unrelated bills that are expected to pass. That is one reason they pay the money for access.
Hillary has been trying to hit Bernie with elements of his voting record but not speaking of the context or that it was one element in a much larger bill. Its weak.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Eugene Robinson
Washington Post, Opinion writer January 15, 2015
The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.s economic message was fiery and radical. To our societys great shame, it has also proved timeless.
As we celebrate Kings great achievement and sacrifice, it is wrong to round off the sharp edges of his legacy. He saw inequality as a fundamental and tragic flaw in this society, and he made clear in the weeks leading up to his assassination that economic issues were becoming the central focus of his advocacy.
Nearly five decades later, Kings words on the subject still ring true. On March 10, 1968, just weeks before his death, he spoke to a union group in New York about what he called the other America. He was preparing to launch a Poor Peoples Campaign whose premise was that issues of jobs and issues of justice were inextricably intertwined.
One America is flowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of equality, King said. That America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies, culture and education for their minds, freedom and human dignity for their spirits. .?.?. But as we assemble here tonight, Im sure that each of us is painfully aware of the fact that there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into the fatigue of despair.
Those who lived in the other America, King said, were plagued by inadequate, substandard and often dilapidated housing conditions, by substandard, inferior, quality-less schools, by having to choose between unemployment and low-wage jobs that didnt even pay enough to put food on the table.
The problem was structural, King said: This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.
CONTINUED...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-mlks-call-for-economic-justice/2015/01/15/3599cb70-9cfe-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html
ETA: Thank you for grokking, AZDar!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So, yes he would
retrowire
(10,345 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Thank you for bringing up what is obvious to most students of history, which, BTW, should be EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE!
It's surprising that this truth remains threatening to persons who would settle for the oligarchy. They reveal themselves.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)James Baldwin said that and I am just starting to hear it.
Thank you for grokking, MrMickeysMom. They are exposed.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This is embarrassing and tone deaf beyond belief.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This always. Constantly.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Keep it up...
The level of condescension around here is staggering.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we all of us have some tendency not to change our beliefs but to instead dig in even stronger. And some of us a lot more than others. I'm guessing the "worse" is probably an indication of being embattled by too much reality. But don't expect any changes. Of course. When dealing with righteous ones, it is up to OTHERS to learn and change.
And if you'd please just hurry the heck up, Bravenak? With all due respect, dear, you have to be the worst of the slow learners.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Today has don it finally this is too much.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Or doesn't the narrative fit with your model?
This gets stranger by the moment.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)They are making an appeal to a deceased icon and then answering for him.
While interesting from a historical 'what if' angle, I feel that such writing only leads to divisive responses and commentary.
I think Kings words and actions can speak for themselves within the time they occurred.
Our world is not King's world, so we need new leaders (of which we have many) and those are the voices we should focus on.
my .02
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What Eugene Robinson wrote:
One America is flowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of equality, King said. That America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies, culture and education for their minds, freedom and human dignity for their spirits. .?.?. But as we assemble here tonight, Im sure that each of us is painfully aware of the fact that there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into the fatigue of despair.
Those who lived in the other America, King said, were plagued by inadequate, substandard and often dilapidated housing conditions, by substandard, inferior, quality-less schools, by having to choose between unemployment and low-wage jobs that didnt even pay enough to put food on the table.
The problem was structural, King said: This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.
SOURCE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-mlks-call-for-economic-justice/2015/01/15/3599cb70-9cfe-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html
It isn't Dr. King's world in that he's not here physically. His ideas, however, remain.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I just think that speculating on who he would support or what he would support are based on a snapshot in time that has passed us by.
He very well may have supported Sanders, but he could just as easily have supported Clinton as John Lewis does.
In the end I think that writers should skip on the historical endorsements and focus on the message and how it resonates today.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I think Hillary's past support of welfare reform, and prisons would go against the grain.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Important story on the story:
How the New York Times Screwed Martin Luther King Jr.
BY TIMOTHY NOAH
New Republic, January 9, 2013
Harvey Shapiro would have likely preferred to be remembered as a poet, and perhaps also as one of the better editors of the New York Times Book Review. But his Jan. 7 Times obituary plays up another aspect of his life of which I was previously unaware. It was Shapiro, then an editor at the New York Times Magazine, who assigned Martin Luther King Jr. to write his 1963 Letter From Birmingham Jail, which today ranks as one of the preeminent literary-historical documents of the 20th century.
The assignment would have assured Shapiro a place in magazine-editor heaven if the Times Magazine had published the result. But it didnt. Rejected, the letter ended up (under the headline, The Negro Is Your Brother) in the Atlantic. The Times Magazines role here ranks well above William Styrons rejection, as a reader at McGraw-Hill, of Thor Heyerdahls Kon-Tiki as one of the great busted plays in American publishing.
According to Diane McWhorters Carry Me Home: The Climactic Battle of the Civil Rights Revolution, Shapiro phoned the offices of Kings organization, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, in July 1962. King was doing jail time in Albany, Georgia, on charges of disturbing the peace while protesting the segregation of public facilities. Shapiro suggested that King write a letter from prison modeled on those of early Christian saints; Shapiro may also have been thinking about another 20th century political martyr and Christian minister, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. But (according to Taylor Branchs Parting The Waters: America In The King Years, 1954-1963) one of Kings lawyers, Chauncey Eskridge, worried that the letter might get published before King was released from jail and compound his legal problems. Before a decision could be made, King was set free.
The following May, King was once again in jail for staging a nonviolent protest, this time in Birmingham, Alabama. King remembered Shapiros offer and was anxious to reply to An Appeal For Law and Order and Common Sense, a muddle-headed brief for compromise published in the Birmingham News a few days before by eight white Alabama clergymen. King scribbled a response in the margins of the newspaper, on toilet paper, and and on other scraps that his lawyers sneaked out to the SCLCs executive director, Wyatt Walker, who got it transcribed. Walker passed drafts back and forth through the lawyers until King was satisfied.
Up north at the Times Magazine, Shapiro was eager to publish, but (according to McWhorter) he could not get the letter past his bosses at the Times. Way to go, Gray Lady!
The Times, S. Jonathan Bass reports in Blessed Are The Peacemakers: Martin Luther King, Eight White Religious Leaders, and the Letter From Birmingham Jail, initially scheduled the letter for publication in late May. But first it wanted (in the recollection of King adviser Stanley Levison) a little introduction setting forth the circumstances of the piece. Then it decided, no, what it really wanted was for King to write a feature article based on the letter. Or, possibly, it wanted both. Before King had a chance to jump through these hoops, the New York Post (in those distant days a plausible rival to the Times) got a copy of the letter and published unauthorized excerpts, killing the Timess interest.
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http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111733/how-the-nyt-screwed-mlk#
Justice over Just Us.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Too bad, so sad about all the little people who didn't go along with the big plan. Oh well. "Progress."
"The Chicago Boys in Chile: Economic Freedom's Awful Toll"
Orlando Letelier
August 28, 1976
EXCERPT...
The Economic Prescription and Chile's Reality
SNIP...
These are the basic principles of the economic model offered by Friedman and his followers and adopted by the Chilean junta: that the only possible framework for economic development is one within which the private sector can freely operate; that private enterprise is the most efficient form of economic organization and that, therefore, the private sector should be the predominant factor in the economy. Prices should fluctuate freely in accordance with the laws of competition. Inflation, the worst enemy of economic progress, is the direct result of monetary expansion and can be eliminated only by a drastic reduction of government spending.
Except in present-day Chile, no government in the world gives private enterprise an absolutely free hand. That is so because every economist (except Friedman and his followers) has known for decades that, in the real life of capitalism, there is no such thing as the perfect competition described by classical liberal economists. In March 1975, in Santiago, a newsman dared suggest to Friedman that even in more advanced capitalist countries, as for example the United States, the government applies various types of controls on the economy. Mr. Friedman answered: I have always been against it, I don't approve of them. I believe we should not apply them. I am against economic intervention by the government, in my own country, as well as in Chile or anywhere else (Que Pasa, Chilean weekly, April 3, 1975).
SNIP...
A Rationale tor Power
SNIP...
Until September 11, 1973, the date of the coup, Chilean society had been characterized by the increasing participation of the working class and its political parties in economic and social decision making. Since about 1900, employing the mechanisms of representative democracy, workers had steadily gained new economic, social and political power. The election of Salvador Allende as President of Chile was the culmination of this process. For the first time in history a society attempted to build socialism by peaceful means. During Allende's time in office, there was a marked improvement in the conditions of employment, health, housing, land tenure and education of the masses. And as this occurred, the privileged domestic groups and the dominant foreign interests perceived themselves to be seriously threatened.
Despite strong financial and political pressure from abroad and efforts to manipulate the attitudes of the middle class by propaganda, popular support for the Allende government increased significantly between 1970 and 1973. In March 1973, only five months before the military coup, there were Congressional elections in Chile. The political parties of the Popular Unity increased their share of the votes by more than 7 percentage points over their totals in the Presidential election of 1970. This was the first time in Chilean history that the political parties supporting the administration in power gained votes during a midterm election. The trend convinced the national bourgeoisie and its foreign supporters that they would be unable to recoup their privileges through the democratic process. That is why they resolved to destroy the democratic system and the institutions of the state, and, through an alliance with the military, to seize power by force.
In such a context, concentration of wealth is no accident, but a rule; it is not the marginal outcome of a difficult situation -- as they would like the world to believe -- but the base for a social project; it is not an economic liability but a temporary political success. Their real failure is not their apparent inability to redistribute wealth or to generate a more even path of development (these are not their priorities) but their inability to convince the majority of Chileans that their policies are reasonable and necessary. In short, they have failed to destroy the consciousness of the Chilean people. The economic plan has had to be enforced, and in the Chilean context that could be done only by the killing of thousands, the establishment of concentration camps all over the country, the jailing of more than 100,000 persons in three years, the closing of trade unions and neighbourhood organizations, and the prohibition of all political activities and all forms of free expression.
While the Chicago boys have provided an appearance of technical respectability to the laissez-faire dreams and political greed of the old landowning oligarchy and upper bourgeoisie of monopolists and financial speculators, the military has applied the brutal force required to achieve those goals. Repression for the majorities and economic freedom for small privileged groups are in Chile two sides of the same coin.
CONTINUED...
http://www.ditext.com/letelier/chicago.html
Three weeks after this was published in The Nation (Aug. 28, 1976), Orlando Letelier was assassinated by a car bomb in Washington, D.C.
FWIW: Then-CIA Director George Herbert Walker Bush knew all about Operation Condor and didn't stop them from killing Orlando Letelier and his American companion, Ronni Moffit.
DCI Bush even told then-Congressman Ed Koch (D-NY), threatened anonymously for his work uncovering Operation Condor and its associated evil at the time, "Nothing I can do."
Why does this matter today? What the CIA and Big Money Boys did in Chile in 1973, they're doing to Greece and the USA now.
Something else: They know if We the People are sufficiently worried about keeping a roof over the family and food on the table, We won't have much time to worry about little stuff like Democracy. Dr. King talked about it:
"We are not coming to engage in any histrionic gesture. We are not coming to tear up Washington. We are coming to demand that the government address itself to the problem of poverty. We read one day, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." But if a man doesnt have a job or an income, he has neither life nor liberty nor the possibility for the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists."
-- MLK quotes you are unlikely to hear on Fox News or Glenn Beck's show today
SOURCE: http://www.examiner.com/article/mlk-quotes-you-are-unlikely-to-hear-on-fox-news-or-glenn-beck-s-show-today
More on the subject: from the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And I swear to God if neither campaign comes up with an argument for it that is not a half century old I'm going to lose my shit.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)
what is your economic and social persuasion and how many thousands of yours should it endure?
Wasn't it Reverend Martin Luther King?
jalan48
(13,876 posts)Tune in next time when it's more in fashion in establishment Democratic Party circles.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Thank you very much for bringing it to the front of the debate.
What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you cant afford to buy a hamburger?
-Martin Luther King
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dr. King's question is a spoken Venn diagram that demonstrates the interconnectedness of human rights, economic justice and the universe we share.
Regarding the OP: When I first saw the article, I assumed (like a few of our fellow DUers) that it would be about something else, the "automatic" political support for one candidate over another. I made the mistake that many people make in evaluating others upon meeting: My first impression was based on the title -- the cover -- or in the case of people, their appearance. It was mistaken.
Thank you for grokking, kristopher.
George II
(67,782 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Who would He She or It support?
Bernie, of course! (See? I saved everyone the trouble!)
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Max Ehrenfreund
Washington Post, January 16, 2015
What if Martin Luther King Jr. hadn't been killed? In the weeks before his death, Eugene Robinson notes, he was talking as much about class and the economy as about race:
Now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means economic equality. For we know that it isn't enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn't earn enough money to buy a hamburger and a cup of coffee?
Blacks and whites eat at the same establishments these days, but in other ways, King's warning has proven accurate. Persistent economic inequality has arguably undermined some of the most important achievements of the civil rights movement. Legally, our schools are integrated, but in practice, research suggests they're becoming more segregated. White and black children in kindergarten and younger are much more likely to be separated from each other than whites and blacks in the population at large, which is largely because black families still can't afford to live in the neighborhoods with the best schools, as Emily Badger has explained.
And while segregation between neighborhoods has been steadily decreasing, there are still many places like Ferguson, Mo. where the economic ramifications of decades of racially biased business practices and government policies keep low-income blacks from finding a way out.
It's often said on Martin Luther King Day that the civil rights movement still has unfinished business, but somehow, the events of the past year seem to have made that fact especially clear.
SOURCE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/wonkbook-martin-luther-kings-warnings-on-inequality-were-ahead-of-his-time/
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You can't really speculate who a person whose been gone that long would vote for.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Makes sense that he would at least not be a supporter of Hillary.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)People tend to see what they want in him. And quoting the MLK from the 60s and assuming he'd be exactly the same if still alive today is questionable too.
You could also argue that he'd feel much as John Lewis feels. That would also be speculation.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Respect 88
(67 posts)Thank you for the great article. Important information and ideology to spread.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Tim Murphy
MotherJones | Thu Feb. 11, 2016
EXCERPT...
Although Sanders did attend the 1963 March on Washington, at which Lewis spoke, most of his work was in and around Hyde Park, where he became involved with the campus chapter of CORE shortly after transferring from Brooklyn College in 1961. During Sanders' first year in Chicago, a group of apartment-hunting white and black students had discovered that off-campus buildings owned by the university were refusing to rent to black students, in violation of the school's policies. CORE organized a 15-day sit-in at the administration building, which Sanders helped lead. (James Farmer, who co-founded CORE and had been a Freedom Rider with Lewis, came to the University of Chicago that winter to praise the activists' work.) The protest ended when George Beadle, the university's president, agreed to form a commission to study the school's housing policies.
Sanders was one of two students from CORE appointed to the commission, which included the neighborhood's alderman and state representative, in addition to members of the administration. But not long afterward, Sanders blew up at the administration, accusing Beadle of reneging on his promise and refusing to answer questions from students on its integration plan. In an open letter in the student newspaper, the Chicago Maroon, Sanders vented about the double-cross:
Chicago Maroon
That spring, with Sanders as its chairman, the university chapter of CORE merged with the university chapter of SNCC. Sanders announced plans to take the fight to the city of Chicago, and in the fall of 1962 he followed through, organizing picketers at a Howard Johnson in Cicero. Sanders told the Chicago Maroon, the student newspaper, that he wanted to keep the pressure on the restaurant chain after the arrest of 12 CORE demonstrators in North Carolina for trying to eat at a Howard Johnson there:
CONTINUED...
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/bernie-sanders-core-university-chicago
PS: A most hearty welcome to DU, Respect 88! Thank you for grokking.
AOR
(692 posts)not sure why anyone would object to quotes of where MLK stood in regards to labor and economics. It's safe to say MLK stood firmly with the priorities of labor over private capital. A little more Octafish...
"Less than a century ago the laborer had no rights, little or no respect, and led a life which was socially submerged and barren
.American industry organized misery into sweatshops and proclaimed the right of capital to act without restraints and without conscience. The inspiring answer to this intolerable and dehumanizing existence was economic organization through trade unions. The worker became determined not to wait for charitable impulses to grow in his employer. He constructed the means by which fairer sharing of the fruits of his toil had to be given to him or the wheels of industry, which he alone turned, would halt and wealth for no one would be available
"History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them.
"Negroes are almost entirely a working people
. Our needs are identical with labor's needs: decent wages, fair working conditions, livable housing, old-age security, health and welfare measures, conditions in which families can grow, have education for their children and respect in the community. That is why Negroes support labor's demands and fight laws which curb labor. That is why the labor-hater and labor-baiter is virtually always a twin-headed creature, spewing anti-Negro epithets from one mouth and anti-labor propaganda from the other mouth."
Speaking to the AFL-CIO on Dec. 11, 1961
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"The labor movement was the principal force that transformed misery and despair into hope and progress. Out of its bold struggles, economic and social reform gave birth to unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, government relief for the destitute and, above all, new wage levels that meant not mere survival but a tolerable life. The captains of industry did not lead this transformation; they resisted it until they were overcome. When in the thirties the wave of union organization crested over the nation, it carried to secure shores not only itself but the whole society."
Speech to the state convention of the Illinois AFL-CIO, Oct. 7, 1965
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For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think youve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society...a radical redistribution of political and economic power.
-- MLK 1967
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)"We are not coming to engage in any histrionic gesture. We are not coming to tear up Washington. We are coming to demand that the government address itself to the problem of poverty. We read one day, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." But if a man doesnt have a job or an income, he has neither life nor liberty nor the possibility for the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists."
-- MLK quotes you are unlikely to hear on Fox News or Glenn Beck's show today
SOURCE: http://www.examiner.com/article/mlk-quotes-you-are-unlikely-to-hear-on-fox-news-or-glenn-beck-s-show-today
AOR
(692 posts)but your work and research has always been top notch on many things Octafish. Thanks
navarth
(5,927 posts)It would seem quite obvious, would it not?
I enjoyed your post.
AOR
(692 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)I have learned much from his posts in the last decade. Stick around for an 'every once in while' and we all might get to learn much together.
and btw. I really do like your +1 (or two or three), good stuff. Really if you know the history of things, it's so much easier to understand, especially the parts where they try divide us and pit us against each other
AOR
(692 posts)the attempt to divide the workers on the basis of race, gender, ect...is the work of the right-wing no matter how much it is veiled otherwise. Thanks for the reply.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And when someone else brings up something that doesn't fit into their preconceived box of what is or isn't true, those poor souls try to shut down discussion.
Same old same old fuck.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And by commenting I bumped it to the top of the forum did I not? So that's kind of the opposite of shutting down discussion.
I'm not a fan of the tactics being used in this OP and I think it's distasteful as hell, so I said so.
Not sure what the added "fuck" there is supposed to mean.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From there, it is used to help filter out messages and a lot of DU's content gets dropped.
Don't ask me to prove it.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The Swarm arrives, and then they fall like bewildered mosquitoes.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)And he has a whole platform on racial justice: https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
Hillary *still* doesn't have a racial justice message on her campaign site.
Bucky
(54,035 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Just prior to the 1960 election, then-Sen. John F. Kennedy risked alienating the conservative Southern Democrats by talking to Coretta Scott King while Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. rotted in a "backwoods Georgia jail." The photo below was taken when Dr. King visited President Kennedy at the White House.
Robert Kennedy-His Life by Evan Thomas
EXCERPT
(Robert) Kennedy seemed to fret about what to do as John Seigenthaler drove him to the airport early that afternoon. He was flying to New York for a campaign event. Maybe, he told Seigenthaler, he should take the heat off his brother and act as a "lightning rod" by calling the judge himself. Seigenthaler, whose phone had been ringing all morning with calls of angry southern politicians protesting JFK's call to Mrs. King, urged Bobby to stay out of it. Bobby wearily agreed.
The next day, a press aide told Seigenthaler that the wires were reporting that the judge had released King -- at the intervention of Robert Kennedy.
Can't be true, Seigenthaler said; Kennedy had assured him he wouldn't call the judge. But it was true. Seigenthaler called Kennedy, who sheepishly disclosed the call. He said that, on the plane to New York, he had got to thinking about the whole matter. It was "disgraceful...It just burned me up," Kennedy said. "It grilled me. The more I thought about the injustice of it, the more I thought what a son of a bitch the judge was." So Kennedy called the judge and gave him a lecture on the constitutional right to make bail, and the judge agreed to release King. Later, speaking with Wofford, Kennedy said he told the judge, "If he was a decent American, he would let King out by sundown. I called him because it made me so damn angry to think of that bastard sentencing a citizen to four months hard labor for a minor traffic offense."
The impact of JFK's call to Mrs. King and RFK's intervention with the judge was immense. Daddy King, Martin Luther King's father, an extremely influential Baptist preacher, openly shifted his endorsement from Nixon to Kennedy. The Kennedy campaign brilliantly exploited the symbolism of phone calls with a samizdat campaign in the black community. Careful not to tout the Kennedy-King connection in the popular mainstream press, lest southern voters take umbrage, the Kennedy campaign published hundreds of thousands of leaflets and handbills that were distributed at black churches and bars. On one side, a flyer read: "Jack Kennedy called Mrs. King" On the other side it said: "Richard Nixon did not." Many political analysts believe that this PR offensive decided the election. In a half-dozen states in the East and Midwest carried by Kennedy by very narrow margins on election day, black turnout made the difference. Richard Nixon's chauffeur understood. "Mr. Vice-President," he told his boss after the election, "you know I had been talking to my friends. They had been all for you. But when Mr. Robert Kennedy called the judge to get Dr. King out of jail -- well, they just all turned to him."
CONTINUED
Excerpted from "Robert Kennedy: His Life by Evan Thomas, pages 101-102.
Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)However, given the history of the US, it is understandable that many blacks are skeptical about talk of economic reforms that do not directly address their issues. So often in the past, reforms have benefited whites and others, but not blacks. That's just a historical fact. We won't get past that using the conservative based "it's not really happening because we already fixed all that" thought virus.
I do know that MLKjr was a strong proponent of economic reforms, too. He knew that if ALL people at the bottom of the economic ladder were helped, blacks would be helped too, if we ensure that they are not excluded.
The M$M will ignore economic justice issues as they are not as sexy as racial conflicts and don't fit their Chicago school, supply-side narrative. In truth, there is no conflict. Helping black poor people will help all poor people. Helping all poor people will help black poor people. They are entwined.
longship
(40,416 posts)YAUH!
Yet Another Useless Hypothetical?
Contrafactus! In other words, a useless argument.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)So, maybe that's a sign of whose positions are closer to his.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I recall when MLK was lambasted for his "sympathies" to "Communism" and later "Marxism" by the John Birchers in 60's and 70's, which after his assassination, MLK's supporters attempted to whitewash or delete altogether from the record in order to appease the masses and the TPB.
Happy to see Cohen write on the subject with a sharp and clear eyed analysis based on historical fact.
Again thanks for posting, think I'll share it on my fb.
BumRushDaShow
(129,229 posts)This whole idiotic speculative exercise reeks with desperate white privileged pandering. Let the man rest in peace.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
retrowire
(10,345 posts)"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you cant really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.
So when Bernie always talks about the economy when asked about our issues, this is what he's getting at.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)He wanted all white people to support his cause. Supporting one side would alienate the other and torpedo the cause.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)got beyond race and was talking about economic inequality causes the oppression we saw in the colonization in Africa, Vietnam and America
Many of his speeches in Europe during his last years
reflected that world view.
Bobby saw that too in his tours in the poor areas of Appalachia, California and the south.
Thus both were killed by TPTB
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Your Honor, is the prosecution really asking the witness to speculate on how a deceased human would vote?
/sarcasm off
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Sorry it's getting spammed with infantile nonsense...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Hence this OP by a Bernie supporter. I guess some feel they need to try and level the playing field. It would certainly go a long way in making them feel better when the oncoming shellacking happens in South Carolina.
I'll just defer to Sanders' own documented words against the first Black President (BEST president of my lifetime) of these United States, and we can guesstimate just who MLK Jr., a fighter for Black equality, would support between the Democrat and the Democratic Socialist running on our side.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)who was an icon who could make the most racist Ahole laugh.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Guess who he is endorsing.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And, um, Andy Young is endorsing...lemme guess...starts with an Hillary and ends with a Clinton?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)keep 'em coming, D Brother
deutsey
(20,166 posts)is a resounding "YES".
Thanks for posting (and for all you do).
Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)Thanks for the thread, Octafish.
senz
(11,945 posts)They shared the same vision of what "the promised land" should be.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)MLK never endorsed a candidate when he was alive. Dunno why people think he will do it from beyond the grave. Let the man rest.....
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... this will all come to the forefront
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)No.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)that Martin Luther King Jr said that I disagree with and what he said aligns with what Bernie has been fighting for, for decades. Bernie is a good man with a good soul (enlightened).