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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:46 AM Feb 2016

Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie?

Great question, Prof. Cohen...



Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie?

by Jeff Cohen
Common Dreams, February 11, 2016

Corporate mainstream media have sanitized and distorted the life and teachings of Martin Luther King Jr., putting him in the category of a “civil rights leader” who focused narrowly on racial discrimination; end of story.

Missing from the story is that Dr. King was also a tough-minded critic of our capitalist economic structure, much like Bernie Sanders is today.

The reality is that King himself supported democratic socialism – and that civil rights activists and socialists have walked arm-in-arm for more than a century.

The same news outlets that omit such facts keep telling us that the mass of African American voters in South Carolina and elsewhere are diehard devotees of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton – implying that blacks are somehow wary of Bernie Sanders and his “democratic socialism.”

Here are some key historical facts and quotes that get almost no attention in mainstream media:

1909: Many socialists – both blacks and whites – were involved in forming the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), our country’s oldest civil rights group. Among them was renowned black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois.

1925: Prominent African American socialist A. Philip Randolph became the first president of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, a union that played a major role in activism for civil and economic rights (including the 1963 “March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom”).

1952: In a fascinating letter to Coretta Scott, the woman he would marry a year later, Martin King wrote: “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. . . . Today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”

1965: King wrote an essay in Pageant magazine, “The Bravest Man I Ever Knew,” extolling Norman Thomas as “America’s foremost socialist” and favorably quoting a black activist who said of Thomas: “He was for us before any other white folks were.”

1965: After passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965, King became even more vocal about economic rights: “What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?”

1965-66: King supported President Lyndon Johnson’s “War on Poverty” but urged more – calling for a “gigantic Marshall Plan” for our naton’s poor of all races.

1966: In remarks to staffers at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), King said:

“You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. . . . It really means that we are saying something is wrong with capitalism. There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”

March 1967: King commented to SCLC’s board that “the evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”

April 1967: In his speech denouncing the U.S. war in Vietnam at New York’s Riverside Church, King extended his economic critique abroad, complaining about “capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries.”

May 1967: In a report to SCLC’s staff, King said:

“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power . . . this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.”

August 1967: In his final speech to SCLC, King declared:

“One day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America?’ And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, ‘Who owns the oil?’ You begin to ask the question, ‘Who owns the iron ore?’ You begin to ask the question, ‘Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?’”


Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he and SCLC were mobilizing a multiracial army of the poor to descend nonviolently on Washington D.C. demanding a “Poor Peoples Bill of Rights.” He told a New York Times reporter that “you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”

A year before he was murdered, King said the following to journalist David Halberstam: “For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of the South, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.”

Unlike what Hillary Clinton professes today, Dr. King came to reject the idea of slow, incremental change. He thought big. He proposed solutions that could really solve social problems.

Unlike corporate-dominated U.S. media, King was not at all afraid of democratic socialism. Other eminent African American leaders have been unafraid. Perhaps it’s historically fitting that former NAACP president Ben Jealous has recently campaigned for Bernie Sanders in South Carolina.

If mainstream journalists did more reporting on the candidates’ actual records, instead of crystal-ball gazing about the alleged hold that the Clintons have over African American voters, news consumers would know about the deplorable record of racially-biased incarceration and economic hardship brought on by Clinton administration policies. (See Michelle Alexander’s “Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote.”)

With income inequality even greater now than during Martin Luther King’s final years, is there much doubt that King would be supporting the progressive domestic agenda of Bernie Sanders?

Before Bernie was making these kinds of big economic reform proposals, King was making them – but mainstream media didn’t want to hear them at the time . . . or now.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License

Jeff Cohen is an associate professor of journalism and the director of the Park Center for Independent Media at Ithaca College, founder of the media watch group FAIR, and former board member of Progressive Democrats of America. In 2002, he was a producer and pundit at MSNBC (overseen by NBC News). He is the author of Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media - and a cofounder of the online action group, www.RootsAction.org.

SOURCE (with links to original sources): http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/11/reality-check-democrats-would-martin-luther-king-be-supporting-bernie
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Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie? (Original Post) Octafish Feb 2016 OP
This again? bravenak Feb 2016 #1
Yeah. What's wrong with ''This''? Octafish Feb 2016 #3
LOL bravenak Feb 2016 #5
Only black people can talk about Dr. King? Octafish Feb 2016 #9
Oh no! bravenak Feb 2016 #12
So, what makes Hillary more "Black"? She doesn't lecture at all, does she? HRC never dissed Obama? leveymg Feb 2016 #15
She likes us bravenak Feb 2016 #22
Weird, but ok hueymahl Feb 2016 #33
I call B.S., Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, will slowly reveal TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #34
Thanks for this post. I'm with you 100% on this. LongTomH Feb 2016 #164
She likes you? You mean her image likes you. jalan48 Feb 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #50
So you, Brave in AK, like to be liked. That's some fiercely independent spirit right there! thereismore Feb 2016 #53
Everybody likes to be liked bravenak Feb 2016 #55
Weak sauce. I remember Sen. Byrd. He changed. People change. Maybe Hillary did she does not thereismore Feb 2016 #59
She is not as bad as then bravenak Feb 2016 #60
You are a very forgiving person. To her. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #61
She took her lumps bravenak Feb 2016 #71
So one of them was white, but Hillary specifically singled out black kids to be super-predators. thereismore Feb 2016 #92
She would have called him one too bravenak Feb 2016 #100
I think that mean that you know she is a racist and you are OK with it because thereismore Feb 2016 #106
Peace. bravenak Feb 2016 #124
You get it AlbertCat Feb 2016 #99
I'm eating grits right now with butter and bacon grease my mouth is full bravenak Feb 2016 #101
Is that supposed to be some kind of Southern Smear? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #103
It's talking about my breakfast, wtf? bravenak Feb 2016 #125
That's what happens when you Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #135
Ha! I was hungry tho bravenak Feb 2016 #136
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #113
Are you saying Brave's kids are violent drug dealing gang members? Why? bettyellen Feb 2016 #174
Yes, I always call people I like "Superpredators". jeff47 Feb 2016 #65
Me too bravenak Feb 2016 #66
you never did tell me why you support Hillary Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #96
You really want to know? bravenak Feb 2016 #131
fair enough-- thanks Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #134
With such thoughtful post as yours how could anyone even think of voting for anyone but Hillary? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #89
Because Jill Stein should be running for the Democratic nom? Maybe they'd want her instead. bravenak Feb 2016 #94
Al Franken as President, with Jill Stein as VP... SidDithers Feb 2016 #108
I'd enjoy it to death bravenak Feb 2016 #123
Careful there, I think I hurt my neck following you on that tangent. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #111
Ok. bravenak Feb 2016 #129
LOL........ great line Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #138
Apparently you only want Hillary to lecture to you.. Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #37
She doesnt say that to me bravenak Feb 2016 #78
So what has she done for you or said to you that makes her so attractive? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #95
you are so full of it. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #74
You cant tell me where to go. Do you OWN DU? bravenak Feb 2016 #77
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #80
My gramma is dead bravenak Feb 2016 #82
Worse than that, bravenak, he's telling you to remember your place. I'm shocked by the casual ... marble falls Feb 2016 #200
Me too, but it happens often enough to become numb bravenak Feb 2016 #201
Not nice, sir or madame, not nice at all... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #205
Your BS is tiresome. Nobody is lecturing you. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #86
Why are you paying me so much attention? bravenak Feb 2016 #88
You dont like being lectured to by white people about what MLK was really about? Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #153
I am used to it bravenak Feb 2016 #154
Not from a black perspective? 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #105
Here's HRC's perspective: It took a president to get the CRA passed. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #190
I'm going to watch the MLK resurrection Boondocks episode tonight firebrand80 Feb 2016 #6
Me too, great idea! bravenak Feb 2016 #13
Ha! good idea. nt Quayblue Feb 2016 #30
Great idea! leftofcool Feb 2016 #87
Yes. This again. 99Forever Feb 2016 #122
Oh no! Keep this up it works so well bravenak Feb 2016 #127
Seemed to do alright in NH. 99Forever Feb 2016 #140
Thats not black voters its all poc bravenak Feb 2016 #141
That's your excuse for being completely and totally WRONG WRONG WRONG again? 99Forever Feb 2016 #143
Ok bravenak Feb 2016 #144
It's just the usual attention-grabbing n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #152
We don't care if they don't want to hear it. SamKnause Feb 2016 #2
Jeff Cohen started FAIR Octafish Feb 2016 #8
this is one of the most offensive exercises in politics bigtree Feb 2016 #4
Sorry to hurt your feelings. The article quotes Dr. King to show what Dr. King said. Octafish Feb 2016 #10
throwing more fanciful queries up in the air from your imagination bigtree Feb 2016 #21
Based on his words and her record, do you think Dr. King would endorse Hillary Clinton? Octafish Feb 2016 #28
I'm firmly against speculating about which politician King would support bigtree Feb 2016 #39
It is about issues. 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #118
If you think MLK would endorse a politician who have made a career.. Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #41
I remember MLK endorsing issues, not politicians bigtree Feb 2016 #67
In that case, his choice would be easy... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #72
I agree to a point, my friend... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #16
The article proves that MLK was a self-identified democratic socialist. delrem Feb 2016 #166
If you believe you can speak for Dr. King DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #167
Nothing! bravenak Feb 2016 #168
I am flummoxed by those who presume to speak for Dr. King, you?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #169
I hate the seances most of all. bravenak Feb 2016 #170
According to the Bible God doesn't like mediums and spritists. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #172
A lazarus type reawakening bravenak Feb 2016 #173
If somebody can resurrect Martin, Malcolm, the martyred Kennedy brothers, and make... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #175
Mine too!! bravenak Feb 2016 #176
And Tupac! DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #178
Marley! Lennon! Grandma! bravenak Feb 2016 #179
And Marvin Gaye who died too young. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #180
Yes. I lived down the street from where it happened bravenak Feb 2016 #181
His daddy shot him. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #182
Yep. It was his daddys house bravenak Feb 2016 #183
The bible also says Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #206
I am a New Testament guy... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #207
But you quoted the old testament - Leviticus 19:31 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #208
I would prefer a time out./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #209
The OP quotes Dr. King. That isn't me. delrem Feb 2016 #185
I was referring to the suggestion he would be endorsing this candidate or that candidate. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #186
But not his own children. Wow. You guys are a piece of work. delrem Feb 2016 #187
I am a human being and not a piece of work DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #188
Wow. Thanks, DSB! So *both* Rep. John Lewis *and* Andrew Young have endorsed Hillary Clinton! BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #198
I think it's like all those "MLK Day Sales" promos you see, selling everything from autos to Tanuki Feb 2016 #204
it's so offensive to remind us of what MLK worked for? nashville_brook Feb 2016 #19
What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger? -MLK kristopher Feb 2016 #44
No, it's what DID he say. Not what would he say. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #68
Not offensive at all 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #137
I won't speculate or speak for MLK Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #7
Dr. King stood for equality, justice, prosperity and peace for all. Octafish Feb 2016 #20
..so what does John Lewis stand for? aspirant Feb 2016 #58
good question. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #102
Somebody should ask him and compare to MLK's words aspirant Feb 2016 #109
I admire John Lewis greatly Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #211
A hearty recommendation FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #11
Cornel West: Why I Endorse Brother Bernie and Reject Brother Trump Octafish Feb 2016 #24
this part... FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #40
Wait West thinks Trump is authentic? mythology Feb 2016 #142
Maybe how he's wrapped it isn't appetizing Jarqui Feb 2016 #14
Things have gotten worse in Detroit, Flint and a lot of Michigan towns I know. Octafish Feb 2016 #54
I hadn't read this before Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #17
''Evolve'' has nothing to do with it for me. Octafish Feb 2016 #64
I was being silly with that comment Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #116
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #18
Eugene Robinson: MLK’s prophetic call for economic justice Octafish Feb 2016 #83
Martin Luther King was a Democratic Socialist AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #23
that's how I see it. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #26
Huge K&R... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #25
''Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.'' Octafish Feb 2016 #97
This again? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #27
Jinx! bravenak Feb 2016 #29
All I can say at this point Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #31
Yep. JTFrog Feb 2016 #79
How can it be that it is worse? I dont know but it is. It is. bravenak Feb 2016 #85
Interesting. When our most cherished beliefs are confounded by reality, Hortensis Feb 2016 #192
I have it now. Lesson learned. bravenak Feb 2016 #193
Sorry to embarrass you. Octafish Feb 2016 #38
Huh? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #48
LoL! Duppers Feb 2016 #51
I don't think that these types of speculative pieces are productive. blackspade Feb 2016 #32
Thank you for your thoughts, blackspade. Octafish Feb 2016 #107
Oh, his words and ideas definitely remain and resonate today. blackspade Feb 2016 #139
I believe Dr King would support Bernie, not only on economic reform peacebird Feb 2016 #35
Absolutely. ''How the New York Times Screwed Martin Luther King Jr.'' Octafish Feb 2016 #160
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #36
The Chicago Boys in Chile: Economic Freedom's Awful Toll Octafish Feb 2016 #159
Supporting? Maybe. King never endorsed candidates though. Recursion Feb 2016 #43
If you are a Buddhist, Hindu or Christian aspirant Feb 2016 #62
The economic justice MLK doesn't fit the current Hillary for President meme. jalan48 Feb 2016 #45
Righto. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #46
This is clearly clanging on a nerve in the HRC camp. kristopher Feb 2016 #47
“What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?” Octafish Feb 2016 #119
Oh God, what next? George II Feb 2016 #49
Who would Jesus, Moses, John the Baptist support? leftofcool Feb 2016 #90
Bernie azmom Feb 2016 #191
Speaking of God.. NastyRiffraff Feb 2016 #194
All historical evidence indicates that he would. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #52
Martin Luther King’s warnings on inequality were ahead of his time Octafish Feb 2016 #146
Holy crap gollygee Feb 2016 #56
Maybe not, but MLK was a Democratic Socialist. Dawgs Feb 2016 #76
It's really just speculation gollygee Feb 2016 #84
Disagree. n/t Dawgs Feb 2016 #120
Great Story expanding Dr. King's & Bernie's message Respect 88 Feb 2016 #57
Here's What Bernie Sanders Actually Did in the Civil Rights Movement Octafish Feb 2016 #163
Good post Octafish... AOR Feb 2016 #63
Outstanding information. Thank you for adding, AOR! Octafish Feb 2016 #73
We might have some points of contention on a few things... AOR Feb 2016 #155
'not sure why anyone would object'? navarth Feb 2016 #81
Yep...seems there are some hidden agendas to defend business as usual... AOR Feb 2016 #156
Octafish is a history course in a box nolabels Feb 2016 #104
The research and writing is top notch from Octafish... AOR Feb 2016 #158
This place is a fucking looney tunes marathon. n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #69
One thing that's clear: some people have a hard time thinking outside their comfort zone. Octafish Feb 2016 #145
Making a comment is hardly trying to shut down discussion. JTFrog Feb 2016 #157
When you use ''fuck'' in the reply titles it gets picked up by search engines. Octafish Feb 2016 #161
Great Point. nt zentrum Feb 2016 #70
None of us will ever know (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #75
Holy crap, Octafish, way to defend a position Android3.14 Feb 2016 #91
LOL!!! Perfect. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #93
Sen. Sanders never had to evolve to the correct position on Civil Rights KeepItReal Feb 2016 #98
King made no endorsements in 1960, 1964, 1968. He practiced direct democracy Bucky Feb 2016 #110
Thanks, very important points! Dr. King did appreciate the phone call from JFK. Octafish Feb 2016 #148
True justice, and thus true justice reform is not race based... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #112
Can Bernie win if the multiplication operation does not commute? longship Feb 2016 #114
FWIU, King put people and peace ahead of war profiteering. Octafish Feb 2016 #212
Thanks for posting this important rebuttal to the current meme 2banon Feb 2016 #115
Oh FFS BumRushDaShow Feb 2016 #117
+1...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #132
this one stands out to me retrowire Feb 2016 #121
No, MLK wouldn't. He didn't support and candidates in his life. Why would he? Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #126
MLK's opinions in the last years of his life Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #150
Objection... deathrind Feb 2016 #128
Great post Octafish! whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #130
I think he'd support Clinton just like most of the Civil Rights leaders from that period. Hoyt Feb 2016 #133
Among the populace, the only man greater than Rep. John Lewis is MLK Jr. himself. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #147
I agree. When I lived in Georgia, Lewis, Bond, etc., were my favorites. We also had a character Hoyt Feb 2016 #149
There is no living figure closer to Dr. King than his own kin than Andy Young. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #177
I didn't know that, DSB. Thank you for the info. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #196
Please see Post 188 DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #197
Fantastic post Octafish! liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #151
Hard to say since he is dead we can't ask him. WI_DEM Feb 2016 #162
another righteous Octafish post navarth Feb 2016 #165
Anyone who knows what MLK believed knows the answer deutsey Feb 2016 #171
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #184
Damn straight he would. senz Feb 2016 #189
Oh fer chissakes, this again? wildeyed Feb 2016 #195
Cornell West support Bernie Sanders and Sanders associates his campaign with him uponit7771 Feb 2016 #199
Maybe the hint of who MLK would support is in John Lewis endorsement. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #202
Does the Pope wear a hat? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #203
I cannot think of one thing Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #210
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. Oh no!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:03 AM
Feb 2016

But this is meant to draw blacks to bernie but nobody will listen to this guy lecturing us.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. So, what makes Hillary more "Black"? She doesn't lecture at all, does she? HRC never dissed Obama?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

Never cleaved to him, when it was more convenient?

Never wrapped herself in MLK's legacy?

She's a civil rights Saint?

Bullshit. She's a self-interested career pol who will say and do practically anything, out of both sides of her mouth, to get into the Oval Office.

hueymahl

(2,503 posts)
33. Weird, but ok
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:34 AM
Feb 2016

I'm glad you think she likes you. Not the strongest argument I have heard, but whatever works for you.

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
34. I call B.S., Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, will slowly reveal
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

.



Things really get going after the 7 min. mark...


Dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, favoring McCain over Obama, etc., and her allusion to assassination.






She partially atoned for her actions, but KXL, Big Money, Big Oil, etc. gives me reservations.

I will vote Democratic, no matter who the nominee is, but I struggle now to stay uncommitted.


Who is she really, inside? I don't think anyone of us knows!


.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
164. Thanks for this post. I'm with you 100% on this.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

Should Hillary be the nominee, I will have to hold my nose and vote for her - without joy, without enthusiasm and without any illusions that she is anything but the lesser of evils!

Response to bravenak (Reply #22)

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
53. So you, Brave in AK, like to be liked. That's some fiercely independent spirit right there!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

She likes black leaders alright, because she can get endorsements from them (strictly my opinion). She does not like your children, however. They are nothing but super-predators that need to be brung to heel. Has she done that to you bravenak?
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
55. Everybody likes to be liked
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

We are human. Some think that money is the solution to everything and refuse to listen. My children are so cute everybody likes them. I'll send you a pic.
That clip of her is so old that it is not a make or break moment. Remember Sen Byrd? I'm fine with him even with his history.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
59. Weak sauce. I remember Sen. Byrd. He changed. People change. Maybe Hillary did she does not
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

admit any wrong doings (except the most obvious, IWR) so I don't have any reason to think she has changed. She is the same Hillary that said those things.

No need to send me pictures, but maybe you should send your kids' pictures to Hillary and ask her "Do these kids look like super-predators to you?"

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
60. She is not as bad as then
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

I know exactly who she meant and I was like yep, arrest THEM. Damn crackheads. We did not understand addiction as well.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
71. She took her lumps
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:34 AM
Feb 2016

I beat up on her for years. Then I remembered what it was like living in those ghettos because I ACTUALLY lived there. After taking in the children of several relatives and watching their parents fuck up, I get it. My cousins gangbanging. My friends dead in drive bys. My friends were murdered by those 'superredators'. After a dozen funerals you might just change your view. None of their killers were caught except one and he was white so probation for him.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
92. So one of them was white, but Hillary specifically singled out black kids to be super-predators.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

She is as racist as they come. You are blind.

It would have been more accurate to talk about kids in gangs, mostly in poor neighborhoods. Not black kids.
The reason they are in gangs is not that they are black. Hillary is flat wrong. It is her kind of attitude that is filling prisons with mostly black youth and people of color. I am flabbergasted that you don't see it.

Maybe you don't know white people like I do. Maybe you should not speak about what she is thinking. I am better qualified than you, being white. And let me tell you this: Hillary is a racist opportunist.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
100. She would have called him one too
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:51 AM
Feb 2016

He is in jail now for another murder. Gangbanger.

My stepdad is white and racist too. But he likes black women. See? We deal with raciss as a RULE not the EXCEPTION. All of our presidents except Obama had something not cool except maybe Carter. PERIOD. FDR? Yep. Lincoln? Yep. Grant? Yep. Washington? Yep. TR? Oh yeah.


When have we had all these nonracists to choose from? One lady said racist stuff, the dude aint been around blacks since civil rights. Who to choose? Jill Stein. But she aint no demicrat and cant win. She should be Hills running mate, teach her about intersections.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
106. I think that mean that you know she is a racist and you are OK with it because
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

you have been conditioned to accept that as the norm. Fair enough.

Carter is not a racist, maybe. I agree. I feel the same about him. Bill Clinton? Racist opportunist, that's how I see him. Hillary the same.

Sanders I think is a lot closer to Carter than any of them. I think you will see that in time. Peace.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
124. Peace.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

Yes. You are right about conditioned to accept it as the norm. It is. Sad, but true. I used to feel it in my chest. But it hurts too much to hold on to every little thing. Kills us inside.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
99. You get it
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:51 AM
Feb 2016

What is "it"?
And what does any of this have to do with Hillary?


You have noticed she's not black...right? I mean since you claim only blacks can "get it".

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
101. I'm eating grits right now with butter and bacon grease my mouth is full
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:53 AM
Feb 2016

Cant answer. Are you saying she is like paula deen? I forgive her too, she dont know no better, poor thang. Bless their hearts.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
103. Is that supposed to be some kind of Southern Smear?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

I honestly don't know what you're talking about....

What does Paula Dean have to do with anything???? Is she running for office?

Response to bravenak (Reply #55)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
131. You really want to know?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

Because Bernie does not do nuance. He fails to get the nuances. At the very least we can get movement on womens issues through Hillary, whether I love her or not. I want the ERA among other things. She will concentrate on equality for women. We do not have that yet.

If Bernie had taken the time to do what he is doing now a year ago I'd think him sincere.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
94. Because Jill Stein should be running for the Democratic nom? Maybe they'd want her instead.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

She really is the only candidate I'd take it to the streets for if she was a Democrat.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
108. Al Franken as President, with Jill Stein as VP...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

That's a ticket I'd like to see.

Just imagine the bumper stickers.

Sid

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
138. LOL........ great line
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think I've heard that one before.

You are talking to the great arbitrator on all things black and white or POC that should be fracked for untapped
deposits of smugness.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
37. Apparently you only want Hillary to lecture to you..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

about "inner city Super predators"...
Dog whistling far into KKK land while defending the 3 strikes you're out laws.

So in what way have the Clintons helped the African American community the last 20 years?

What have they done for the NATIVE Americans the last 20 years?

Or veterans?

Or LGBT?

Or American workers? How many jobs did Clinton create with NAFTA?

Hillary! What a champion for civil rights!

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
95. So what has she done for you or said to you that makes her so attractive?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

Her admiration for Kissinger?

Her race baiting in the 90's?

Sending millions of black kids in prison?

Cutting services that others take for granted?

What is it about Hillary that makes you all weak in the knees and run to the poll to vote for her after adding 10 dollars to her 675 000 dollar speaking fees?

With that, she'd have 675 010 dollars to smear Bernie Sanders and his supporters with. Congrats for your support for a war monger who didn't get it right the first time!

And Hillary supporters are bitching about not getting respect or pandered to like children...

Response to bravenak (Reply #77)

marble falls

(57,136 posts)
200. Worse than that, bravenak, he's telling you to remember your place. I'm shocked by the casual ...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:47 AM
Feb 2016

racism in his last two comments.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
205. Not nice, sir or madame, not nice at all...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:30 AM
Feb 2016
you are so full of it.
Go slither back to your group and keep tossing people who mistrust Hillary

-ChairmanAgnostic



tossing
Manual stimulation of the male (or less often female) genitalia.
tossing off- masturbation)
tossing him off- (hand-job)

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
86. Your BS is tiresome. Nobody is lecturing you.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

You must have the thinnest skin in the US. Someone posts factual information about what Dr. King really stood for and you get the vapors.

If you want to refute the article fine. Just don't be whiny about the fact it was posted.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
153. You dont like being lectured to by white people about what MLK was really about?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016


Why dont you like it?

I would think by now you would be used to the kind of white privilege and arrogance that allows it.

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
105. Not from a black perspective?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

How for the love of all that is holy is Martin Luther King not from a black perspective?

Is Hillary Clinton from a black perspective?

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
190. Here's HRC's perspective: It took a president to get the CRA passed.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016

.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303624.html


COLUMBIA, S.C., Jan. 13 -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton defended her recent remarks on civil rights Sunday, as Sen. Barack Obama weighed in on the controversy for the first time, describing Clinton's earlier comments about the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. as "unfortunate" and "ill-advised."
.
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The primary source of the debate is a comment Monday from the New York Democrat: "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," she said, adding that "it took a president to get it done." Critics read that as playing down King's importance in the civil rights movement. Clinton said Sunday that the Obama campaign was "deliberately distorting this."
.
.

"Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement," Obama said in a conference call with reporters. "I haven't remarked on it. And she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that. But the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."




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99Forever

(14,524 posts)
140. Seemed to do alright in NH.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

POC vote in NH:

Clinton 52 %

Sanders 48%

Imagine what will happen if he ever connects with POC.

Feel the Bern

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
2. We don't care if they don't want to hear it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:49 AM
Feb 2016

We will not be silent.

We will repeat our message over and over.

They will hear us !!!!

Enough is Enough.

FEEL THE BERN

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Jeff Cohen started FAIR
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:58 AM
Feb 2016

IMO, he is a top educator:



Media Millionaires

Journalism by and for the 0.01 Percent


Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

EXCERPT...

The media business outstrips other industries in generously compensating its top executives (New York Times, 5/5/13), and those resources could of course be put to better use by hiring reporters. But that’s not the way the system works. And it’s not just the bosses getting rich. Indeed, many high-profile members of the media elite live a rather charmed life. The journalism business looks to be in a disastrous state—but the view from the top is just fine.

SNIP...

David Gregory

As host of NBC’s Meet the Press, David Gregory is paid to quiz politicians on the tough issues of the day. But he offers his own opinions on the show, too; he’s encouraged the Obama White House to propose “big spending cuts” in order to confuse Republicans (1/27/13; FAIR Blog, 1/29/13). He thinks the White House should have done more to have a “moment in the Rose Garden” with a few corporate CEOs (11/11/12; FAIR Blog, 11/13/12), and demanded to hear more from the White House about the “hard choices” Americans must make to get by with less (1/29/12). He worried about the problem of Occupy activists “demonizing Wall Street” (10/10/11). He expressed concern that the more people criticize big banks, “the closer you get to wiping out the shareholder completely”—a person “who is not just a fat cat” (2/22/09).

In that sense, Gregory is reflecting what passes for conventional wisdom in corporate media—but also among people in Gregory’s economic class. His salary is not disclosed, but his predecessor, Tim Russert, reportedly made more than $5 million a year (Washington Post, 5/23/04). As Politico reported (3/15/12), Gregory was seeking membership in the exclusive Chevy Chase Club, which requires an $80,000 “initiation fee.” Gregory was sponsored by a couple of Washington-area real estate moguls.

SNIP...

In 2013, Gregory made gossipy news in Washington after apparently becoming incensed about a parking situation near his home (Washington Post, 4/10/13). Visitors to the D.C. Design House, an architectural showcase to benefit the Children’s National Medical Center, were evidently clogging up the streets near Gregory’s home. According to one of the designers, Gregory came to the house to very loudly complain on the front lawn. Witnesses claimed that Gregory yelled something about knowing “all the politicians in town,” which the anchor denied.

CONTINUED with Links and professional profiles on the likes of Thomas Friedman, Fareed Zakariah, Chris Matthews, Bill O'Reilly...

http://fair.org/slider/cover-story-media-millionaires/



Real journalists let the facts speak for themselves.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
4. this is one of the most offensive exercises in politics
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:50 AM
Feb 2016

...right up there with 'what would Jesus say.'

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Sorry to hurt your feelings. The article quotes Dr. King to show what Dr. King said.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

Do you think Henry Kissinger gave much thought to what Dr. King said?

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
21. throwing more fanciful queries up in the air from your imagination
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:16 AM
Feb 2016

...doesn't make your case about who or what the revered civil rights leader would support in this election.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. Based on his words and her record, do you think Dr. King would endorse Hillary Clinton?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016

Let's take Honduras.



Hillary Clinton’s Honduran Disgrace

By Matthew Rothschild
The Progressive, March 5, 2010

Hillary Clinton continues with her hawkish ways, making Obama’s foreign policy less distinguishable from Bush’s every day.

She just met with Honduran President Pepe Lobo, she’s notified Congress that the Obama administration is restoring aid to Honduras, and she’s urging Latin American nations to recognize the Lobo government in Tegucigalpa.

The democratic opposition in Honduras boycotted Lobo’s election, since he’s allied with the forces that overthrew Manuel Zelaya last June.

But for the longest time, Hillary Clinton stubbornly refused to call the June takeover a “coup,” even though her boss, the president of the United States, immediately denounced it as such.

SNIP..

“Other countries of the region say that they want to wait a while,” she said on her Latin American trip. “I don’t know what they’re waiting for.”

CONTINUED...

http://progressive.org/wx030510.html



So. There is that.

Then, there's Venezuela...and Libya...and Syria...and Ukraine...and other places where democracy takes a back seat to business.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
39. I'm firmly against speculating about which politician King would support
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016

...I'm more comfortable discussing which issues I believe he would support, but that's not appropriate or effective in this election forum.

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
118. It is about issues.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

You are being facetious. The argument IS about issues but the issues do not come from thin air but from candidates. If one can argue about which issues Martin Luther King would support, then one can also argue about which candidate he would support. The issues are directly linked to the candidates who bring them up. 'Free college' is, for example, one issue which is only linked to Bernie Sanders so arguing for free college means arguing in favour of Bernie Sanders.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
41. If you think MLK would endorse a politician who have made a career..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:44 AM
Feb 2016

out of sending millions of black kids into the prison system as cheap labor without getting an education, you sir, are naive...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-the-shame-of-three-strikes-laws-20130327

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
72. In that case, his choice would be easy...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

It would exlude any Hillary policy and endorse the policies of Bernie Sanders...

Get it?

Wonder how many Hillary supporters were on the anti-Obama campaign have turned around trying to make it seem as their leader (Hillary) has a clean slate regarding sleazy campaigns and race baiting are now claiming to be warm Obama supporters and stand behind his policies..

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. I agree to a point, my friend...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

If I see a homeless person I am going to give him or her a buck or buy him or her lunch, because that's what my savior would do. But I am not going to speak for him on such specific matters as who he would support in a presidential election. That would be blasphemous and presumptuous, not to mention silly,

delrem

(9,688 posts)
166. The article proves that MLK was a self-identified democratic socialist.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

To deny the relevancy of that to the current political discussion is to deny the relevance of MLK's political identity.

It is to deny the man, to deny what he STOOD for.

Although tossing a homeless person a buck "because that's what my savior would do" might give a right-winger a pleasant feeling about themselves, if and when they can remember to actually do it, a random dollar of personal charity won't change the homeless person's desperate situation. According as the quotations in the OP, MLK thought systemic change along the lines promoted by democratic socialists (such as himself) was called for.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
167. If you believe you can speak for Dr. King
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

If you believe you can speak for Dr. King there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
172. According to the Bible God doesn't like mediums and spritists.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

But we are taught God doesn't like mediums and spritists.


“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the LORD your God."

-Leviticus 19:31




BTW, I believe we are witnessing necroramancing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
175. If somebody can resurrect Martin, Malcolm, the martyred Kennedy brothers, and make...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

If somebody can resurrect Martin, Malcolm, the martyred Kennedy brothers, and make Muhammad Ali thirty years old again they have my vote.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
182. His daddy shot him.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

The scene in Jungle Fever where Ossie Davis shoots Samuel L Jackson is a take on that.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
206. The bible also says
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:48 AM
Feb 2016

you can stone your wife to death and you can sell your daughter into slavery. I do not believe in the bronze age laws.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
207. I am a New Testament guy...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

Regardless, I am not a big fan of clairvoyants, soothsayers, or prestidigitators.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
208. But you quoted the old testament - Leviticus 19:31
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

In Leviticus it also says you can stone to death an unruly child.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
185. The OP quotes Dr. King. That isn't me.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

If you believe that Dr. King can't speak for Dr. King, there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
186. I was referring to the suggestion he would be endorsing this candidate or that candidate.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

Here's an exercise...

Please find out who the closest living person to Dr. King beside his own children is and see who he is supporting in the Democratic primary.

Hint, it's not John Lewis.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
188. I am a human being and not a piece of work
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016
You guys are a piece of work.


I am a human being and not a piece of work. That being said, I don't believe Dr. King's kin have made any endorsements, so it's only logical to look to those closest to him, who are still alive


My challenge.


Here's an exercise...

Please find out who the closest living person to Dr. King beside his own children is and see who he is supporting in the Democratic primary.

Hint, it's not John Lewis



I will throw you a lifeline:



In 1960, he (Andy Young) joined the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. No longer satisfied with his work in New York, Young moved to Atlanta, Georgia in 1961 upon the invitation of Dr. Bernard Lafayette, jr. and again worked on drives to register black voters. Young played a key role in the 1963 events in Birmingham, Alabama, serving as a mediator between the white and black communities as they negotiated against a background of protests.

In 1964, Young was named executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), becoming, in that capacity, one of King's principal lieutenants. As a colleague and friend of Martin Luther King Jr., he was a strategist and negotiator during the Civil Rights Campaigns in Birmingham (1963), St. Augustine (1964), Selma (1965), and Atlanta (1966). He was jailed for his participation in civil rights demonstrations, both in Selma, Alabama, and in St. Augustine, Florida. The movement gained congressional passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act. Young was with King in Memphis, Tennessee, when King was assassinated in 1968.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young




BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
198. Wow. Thanks, DSB! So *both* Rep. John Lewis *and* Andrew Young have endorsed Hillary Clinton!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016
Double woot!

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
204. I think it's like all those "MLK Day Sales" promos you see, selling everything from autos to
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

bed sheets. Only now they're exploiting him to sell the Bern.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/retailers-turn-mlk-day-into-a-shopping-bonanza/

"Much of the country pauses Monday to remember Martin Luther King Jr. and his message of perseverance and courage.

For some retailers, though, the holiday has become a moneymaker, a way to boost sales and attract shoppers who have the day off of work. And that's not sitting well with some critics, who say that kind of commercialism is no way to remember the civil rights leader.

"Shout out to The Gap who is having an MLK sale. Nothing honors him more than 30 percent off some khakis," wrote one Twitter user. The retailer sent an email ad offering up to 50 percent off for "The MLK Event."

Gap isn't alone. Numerous retailers are offering Martin Luther King promotions. Furniture stores are pushing doorbuster deals. Samsonite is discounting luggage. Honda dealers are promoting an "MLK Drive Away" in this ad.

"Am I the only person who thinks that @Honda's 'MLK Drive Away' promo is tacky at best, irreverently offensive at worst?" asked another Twitter user.".....(more at link)

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
44. What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger? -MLK
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

Simple question. Do you have an answer?

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
137. Not offensive at all
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

The Martin Luther King and Jesus exercise is far from offensive and worth engaging in.

If, based on Mahatma Gandhi's words, I were to say that he would find the hunting of animals for sport abhorrent, is that offensive or probably right on the mark?

If, based on his words and actions, I were to say that Adolf Hitler would be appalled at the idea of a Jew possibly becoming the leader of the free world, is that offensive or an educated guess based on reason and logic?

People engage in this kind of intellectual exercise because it makes sense. The writer of the article obviously looks up to Martin Luther King and is making an educated guess on whom King would support based on his own words, actions and issues he himself supported.

If you have reasons as to why Martin Luther King would support Hillary Clinton or would not support Bernie Sanders, then just come out with them. If you cannot understand how the exercise works or why people engage in it, though, then I will just have to conclude that you are very thick.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. I won't speculate or speak for MLK
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

and it is the height of navel-gazing arrogance for anybody else to do so, imo...

Nothing but shameless pandering.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Dr. King stood for equality, justice, prosperity and peace for all.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:12 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders stands for equality, justice, prosperity and peace for all.

Call me a shameless panderer or whatever you want for pointing it out.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
211. I admire John Lewis greatly
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

but currently he is standing for the establishment. He implied that Sanders was lying and that is bearing false witness against another. I feel disappointed.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. Cornel West: Why I Endorse Brother Bernie and Reject Brother Trump
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:22 AM
Feb 2016

A living Buddha put it into words...



Why I Endorse Brother Bernie and Reject Brother Trump

The American Empire is in decline. Our market-driven culture is in decay. The criminal justice system has failed us. And the political system is collapsing due to the weight of corrupt lobbyists and greedy capitalists. Only organized power of courageous and compassionate people can turn around these catastrophic realities. Social movements in the streets and jails over against the Establishment in both decrepit political parties are fundamental. And prophetic politicians -- always with their faults and blind spots -- who tell the truth about Wall Street, white supremacy, empire, patriarchy and homophobia, deserve our critical support. Yet even more important is the issue of integrity.

Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents. Yet only Bernie has authenticity and integrity, whereas Trump is for real but not for right. Trump's attacks on precious Mexican brothers and sisters are unconscionable -- even as his blessed mother was born in Scotland and grandfather (Mr. Drumpf) was born in Germany. His kind of nativistic hostility could have excluded them. And Trump's unpatriotic complicity with the plutocratic corruption of our political system for over 30 years calls into question his integrity, including his commitment to "make America great again."

My endorsement of Brother Bernie in the primaries is not an affirmation of the neo-liberal Democratic Party or a downplaying of the immorality of the ugly Israeli occupation of Palestinians. I do so because he is a long-distance runner with integrity in the struggle for justice for over 50 years. Now is the time for his prophetic voice to be heard across our crisis-ridden country, even as we push him with integrity toward a more comprehensive vision of freedom for all.

SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/drcornelwest/posts/10155953989390111


PS: You are most welcome, FlatBaroque! Thank you for grokking.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
40. this part...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016
My endorsement of Brother Bernie in the primaries is not an affirmation of the neo-liberal Democratic Party or a downplaying of the immorality of the ugly Israeli occupation of Palestinians


LOVE the disclaimers.

Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
14. Maybe how he's wrapped it isn't appetizing
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe that it's not written by a black leader or someone that was close to MLK hurts it's perceived credibility.

Maybe saying "King himself supported democratic socialism" goes too far trying to put that label on it.

But there is no escaping MLK was very concerned with economic unfairness for blacks. Here's a quote of his that stuck with me:

"We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one."
MLK "I Have A Dream" speech 1963


At least, 27% of blacks, if not more, are still in that ghetto.

The one candidate who has been consistently against that and for getting people out of poverty since before he heard the above quote in 1963 is Bernie Sanders.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
54. Things have gotten worse in Detroit, Flint and a lot of Michigan towns I know.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

With few jobs, fewer prospects for the future, and on-the-main substandard public schools, too many urban centers are little more than open-air prisons.

Thank you for grokking, Jarqui.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
17. I hadn't read this before
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

' “For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of the South, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.” '

It is a statement that describes a basic difference between the two democratic candidates, and that was 1967.

It is presumptuous to believe the quotes in the OP are the only ones upon which he would make his choice. It is also presumptuous to think he'd still feel the same way. Politicians evolve, right? I don't think you need to think too hard to get your answer, though.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. ''Evolve'' has nothing to do with it for me.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

The issue is all about "Integrity." Dr. King went to Memphis to support the striking sanitation workers -- the garbage men. He cared for the poor and powerless then. Were he alive, he'd still care for them.

Now, some politicians I know, they'd have said all the nice words about economic justice in public. After the bill's signed into law, though, we discover the bill's all about "Just Us."

Take the Gramm-Bliley-Leach Act, the "Financial Services Modernization Act" that deregulated Wall Street Banks and put the taxpayers on the hook for the bill at the casino. After it's passage in 1999, Phil Gramm, the bill's Senate ramrod, left government service to serve UBS as Vice Chairman. The president who signed the measure into law in 2000, Bill Clinton, was hired to help him at UBS in their work in Wealth Management. They would be joined at UBS by George W Bush and James Carville and others from their contact list.

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Meanwhile, the middle class evaporates to join the poor. And to think, these are the wealthiest times in human history.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
116. I was being silly with that comment
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:23 PM
Feb 2016

Doing a 180 and supporting Trump just wouldn't have happened.

Capitalism cares about the size of the pie, not how its distributed. The money spent controlling Congress is just a cost of doing business.

Every bill seems to have unrelated crap in it. That way, no matter what you vote for or against, you always have a built in excuse why you did what you did. Some of the worst legislation gets tucked into unrelated bills that are expected to pass. That is one reason they pay the money for access.

Hillary has been trying to hit Bernie with elements of his voting record but not speaking of the context or that it was one element in a much larger bill. Its weak.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
83. Eugene Robinson: MLK’s prophetic call for economic justice
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

By Eugene Robinson
Washington Post, Opinion writer January 15, 2015

The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s economic message was fiery and radical. To our society’s great shame, it has also proved timeless.

As we celebrate King’s great achievement and sacrifice, it is wrong to round off the sharp edges of his legacy. He saw inequality as a fundamental and tragic flaw in this society, and he made clear in the weeks leading up to his assassination that economic issues were becoming the central focus of his advocacy.

Nearly five decades later, King’s words on the subject still ring true. On March 10, 1968, just weeks before his death, he spoke to a union group in New York about what he called “the other America.” He was preparing to launch a Poor People’s Campaign whose premise was that issues of jobs and issues of justice were inextricably intertwined.

“One America is flowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of equality,” King said. “That America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies, culture and education for their minds, freedom and human dignity for their spirits. .?.?. But as we assemble here tonight, I’m sure that each of us is painfully aware of the fact that there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into the fatigue of despair.”

Those who lived in the other America, King said, were plagued by “inadequate, substandard and often dilapidated housing conditions,” by “substandard, inferior, quality-less schools,” by having to choose between unemployment and low-wage jobs that didn’t even pay enough to put food on the table.

The problem was structural, King said: “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.”

CONTINUED...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-mlks-call-for-economic-justice/2015/01/15/3599cb70-9cfe-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html

ETA: Thank you for grokking, AZDar!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
25. Huge K&R...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you for bringing up what is obvious to most students of history, which, BTW, should be EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE!

It's surprising that this truth remains threatening to persons who would settle for the oligarchy. They reveal themselves.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
97. ''Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.''
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

James Baldwin said that and I am just starting to hear it.

Thank you for grokking, MrMickeysMom. They are exposed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
192. Interesting. When our most cherished beliefs are confounded by reality,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

we all of us have some tendency not to change our beliefs but to instead dig in even stronger. And some of us a lot more than others. I'm guessing the "worse" is probably an indication of being embattled by too much reality. But don't expect any changes. Of course. When dealing with righteous ones, it is up to OTHERS to learn and change.

And if you'd please just hurry the heck up, Bravenak? With all due respect, dear, you have to be the worst of the slow learners.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
32. I don't think that these types of speculative pieces are productive.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016

They are making an appeal to a deceased icon and then answering for him.
While interesting from a historical 'what if' angle, I feel that such writing only leads to divisive responses and commentary.
I think Kings words and actions can speak for themselves within the time they occurred.
Our world is not King's world, so we need new leaders (of which we have many) and those are the voices we should focus on.

my .02

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
107. Thank you for your thoughts, blackspade.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

What Eugene Robinson wrote:



“One America is flowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of equality,” King said. “That America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies, culture and education for their minds, freedom and human dignity for their spirits. .?.?. But as we assemble here tonight, I’m sure that each of us is painfully aware of the fact that there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into the fatigue of despair.”

Those who lived in the other America, King said, were plagued by “inadequate, substandard and often dilapidated housing conditions,” by “substandard, inferior, quality-less schools,” by having to choose between unemployment and low-wage jobs that didn’t even pay enough to put food on the table.

The problem was structural, King said: “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.”

SOURCE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-mlks-call-for-economic-justice/2015/01/15/3599cb70-9cfe-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html



It isn't Dr. King's world in that he's not here physically. His ideas, however, remain.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
139. Oh, his words and ideas definitely remain and resonate today.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

I just think that speculating on who he would support or what he would support are based on a snapshot in time that has passed us by.
He very well may have supported Sanders, but he could just as easily have supported Clinton as John Lewis does.
In the end I think that writers should skip on the historical endorsements and focus on the message and how it resonates today.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
35. I believe Dr King would support Bernie, not only on economic reform
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

I think Hillary's past support of welfare reform, and prisons would go against the grain.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
160. Absolutely. ''How the New York Times Screwed Martin Luther King Jr.''
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Important story on the story:



How the New York Times Screwed Martin Luther King Jr.

BY TIMOTHY NOAH
New Republic, January 9, 2013

Harvey Shapiro would have likely preferred to be remembered as a poet, and perhaps also as one of the better editors of the New York Times Book Review. But his Jan. 7 Times obituary plays up another aspect of his life of which I was previously unaware. It was Shapiro, then an editor at the New York Times Magazine, who assigned Martin Luther King Jr. to write his 1963 “Letter From Birmingham Jail,” which today ranks as one of the preeminent literary-historical documents of the 20th century.

The assignment would have assured Shapiro a place in magazine-editor heaven if the Times Magazine had published the result. But it didn’t. Rejected, the letter ended up (under the headline, “The Negro Is Your Brother”) in the Atlantic. The Times Magazine’s role here ranks well above William Styron’s rejection, as a reader at McGraw-Hill, of Thor Heyerdahl’s Kon-Tiki as one of the great busted plays in American publishing.

According to Diane McWhorter’s Carry Me Home: The Climactic Battle of the Civil Rights Revolution, Shapiro phoned the offices of King’s organization, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, in July 1962. King was doing jail time in Albany, Georgia, on charges of disturbing the peace while protesting the segregation of public facilities. Shapiro suggested that King write a “letter from prison” modeled on those of early Christian saints; Shapiro may also have been thinking about another 20th century political martyr and Christian minister, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. But (according to Taylor Branch’s Parting The Waters: America In The King Years, 1954-1963) one of King’s lawyers, Chauncey Eskridge, worried that the letter might get published before King was released from jail and compound his legal problems. Before a decision could be made, King was set free.

The following May, King was once again in jail for staging a nonviolent protest, this time in Birmingham, Alabama. King remembered Shapiro’s offer and was anxious to reply to “An Appeal For Law and Order and Common Sense,” a muddle-headed brief for compromise published in the Birmingham News a few days before by eight white Alabama clergymen. King scribbled a response in the margins of the newspaper, on toilet paper, and and on other scraps that his lawyers sneaked out to the SCLC’s executive director, Wyatt Walker, who got it transcribed. Walker passed drafts back and forth through the lawyers until King was satisfied.

Up north at the Times Magazine, Shapiro was eager to publish, but (according to McWhorter) he “could not get the letter past his bosses at the Times.” Way to go, Gray Lady!

The Times, S. Jonathan Bass reports in Blessed Are The Peacemakers: Martin Luther King, Eight White Religious Leaders, and the ‘Letter From Birmingham Jail,’ initially scheduled the letter for publication in late May. But first it wanted (in the recollection of King adviser Stanley Levison) a “little introduction setting forth the circumstances of the piece.” Then it decided, no, what it really wanted was for King to “write a feature article based on the letter.” Or, possibly, it wanted both. Before King had a chance to jump through these hoops, the New York Post (in those distant days a plausible rival to the Times) got a copy of the letter and published unauthorized excerpts, killing the Times’s interest.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111733/how-the-nyt-screwed-mlk#



Justice over Just Us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
159. The Chicago Boys in Chile: Economic Freedom's Awful Toll
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016
Operating on behalf of Nixon and Wall Street, the CIA and Milton Friedman & Friends perfected the art of turning the screws through austerity in Chile.



Too bad, so sad about all the little people who didn't go along with the big plan. Oh well. "Progress."



"The Chicago Boys in Chile: Economic Freedom's Awful Toll"

Orlando Letelier
August 28, 1976

EXCERPT...

The Economic Prescription and Chile's Reality

SNIP...

These are the basic principles of the economic model offered by Friedman and his followers and adopted by the Chilean junta: that the only possible framework for economic development is one within which the private sector can freely operate; that private enterprise is the most efficient form of economic organization and that, therefore, the private sector should be the predominant factor in the economy. Prices should fluctuate freely in accordance with the laws of competition. Inflation, the worst enemy of economic progress, is the direct result of monetary expansion and can be eliminated only by a drastic reduction of government spending.

Except in present-day Chile, no government in the world gives private enterprise an absolutely free hand. That is so because every economist (except Friedman and his followers) has known for decades that, in the real life of capitalism, there is no such thing as the perfect competition described by classical liberal economists. In March 1975, in Santiago, a newsman dared suggest to Friedman that even in more advanced capitalist countries, as for example the United States, the government applies various types of controls on the economy. Mr. Friedman answered: I have always been against it, I don't approve of them. I believe we should not apply them. I am against economic intervention by the government, in my own country, as well as in Chile or anywhere else (Que Pasa, Chilean weekly, April 3, 1975).

SNIP...

A Rationale tor Power

SNIP...

Until September 11, 1973, the date of the coup, Chilean society had been characterized by the increasing participation of the working class and its political parties in economic and social decision making. Since about 1900, employing the mechanisms of representative democracy, workers had steadily gained new economic, social and political power. The election of Salvador Allende as President of Chile was the culmination of this process. For the first time in history a society attempted to build socialism by peaceful means. During Allende's time in office, there was a marked improvement in the conditions of employment, health, housing, land tenure and education of the masses. And as this occurred, the privileged domestic groups and the dominant foreign interests perceived themselves to be seriously threatened.

Despite strong financial and political pressure from abroad and efforts to manipulate the attitudes of the middle class by propaganda, popular support for the Allende government increased significantly between 1970 and 1973. In March 1973, only five months before the military coup, there were Congressional elections in Chile. The political parties of the Popular Unity increased their share of the votes by more than 7 percentage points over their totals in the Presidential election of 1970. This was the first time in Chilean history that the political parties supporting the administration in power gained votes during a midterm election. The trend convinced the national bourgeoisie and its foreign supporters that they would be unable to recoup their privileges through the democratic process. That is why they resolved to destroy the democratic system and the institutions of the state, and, through an alliance with the military, to seize power by force.

In such a context, concentration of wealth is no accident, but a rule; it is not the marginal outcome of a difficult situation -- as they would like the world to believe -- but the base for a social project; it is not an economic liability but a temporary political success. Their real failure is not their apparent inability to redistribute wealth or to generate a more even path of development (these are not their priorities) but their inability to convince the majority of Chileans that their policies are reasonable and necessary. In short, they have failed to destroy the consciousness of the Chilean people. The economic plan has had to be enforced, and in the Chilean context that could be done only by the killing of thousands, the establishment of concentration camps all over the country, the jailing of more than 100,000 persons in three years, the closing of trade unions and neighbourhood organizations, and the prohibition of all political activities and all forms of free expression.

While the Chicago boys have provided an appearance of technical respectability to the laissez-faire dreams and political greed of the old landowning oligarchy and upper bourgeoisie of monopolists and financial speculators, the military has applied the brutal force required to achieve those goals. Repression for the majorities and economic freedom for small privileged groups are in Chile two sides of the same coin.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ditext.com/letelier/chicago.html



Three weeks after this was published in The Nation (Aug. 28, 1976), Orlando Letelier was assassinated by a car bomb in Washington, D.C.





FWIW: Then-CIA Director George Herbert Walker Bush knew all about Operation Condor and didn't stop them from killing Orlando Letelier and his American companion, Ronni Moffit.



DCI Bush even told then-Congressman Ed Koch (D-NY), threatened anonymously for his work uncovering Operation Condor and its associated evil at the time, "Nothing I can do."

Why does this matter today? What the CIA and Big Money Boys did in Chile in 1973, they're doing to Greece and the USA now.

Something else: They know if We the People are sufficiently worried about keeping a roof over the family and food on the table, We won't have much time to worry about little stuff like Democracy. Dr. King talked about it:



"We are not coming to engage in any histrionic gesture. We are not coming to tear up Washington. We are coming to demand that the government address itself to the problem of poverty. We read one day, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." But if a man doesn’t have a job or an income, he has neither life nor liberty nor the possibility for the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists."

-- MLK quotes you are unlikely to hear on Fox News or Glenn Beck's show today

SOURCE: http://www.examiner.com/article/mlk-quotes-you-are-unlikely-to-hear-on-fox-news-or-glenn-beck-s-show-today



More on the subject: from the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
43. Supporting? Maybe. King never endorsed candidates though.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:44 AM
Feb 2016

And I swear to God if neither campaign comes up with an argument for it that is not a half century old I'm going to lose my shit.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
62. If you are a Buddhist, Hindu or Christian
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)

what is your economic and social persuasion and how many thousands of yours should it endure?

Wasn't it Reverend Martin Luther King?

jalan48

(13,876 posts)
45. The economic justice MLK doesn't fit the current Hillary for President meme.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

Tune in next time when it's more in fashion in establishment Democratic Party circles.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
47. This is clearly clanging on a nerve in the HRC camp.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:51 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you very much for bringing it to the front of the debate.

“What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?”
-Martin Luther King

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
119. “What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?”
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

Dr. King's question is a spoken Venn diagram that demonstrates the interconnectedness of human rights, economic justice and the universe we share.

Regarding the OP: When I first saw the article, I assumed (like a few of our fellow DUers) that it would be about something else, the "automatic" political support for one candidate over another. I made the mistake that many people make in evaluating others upon meeting: My first impression was based on the title -- the cover -- or in the case of people, their appearance. It was mistaken.

Thank you for grokking, kristopher.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
194. Speaking of God..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:09 PM
Feb 2016

Who would He She or It support?

Bernie, of course! (See? I saved everyone the trouble!)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
146. Martin Luther King’s warnings on inequality were ahead of his time
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

By Max Ehrenfreund
Washington Post, January 16, 2015

What if Martin Luther King Jr. hadn't been killed? In the weeks before his death, Eugene Robinson notes, he was talking as much about class and the economy as about race:

Now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means economic equality. For we know that it isn't enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn't earn enough money to buy a hamburger and a cup of coffee?


Blacks and whites eat at the same establishments these days, but in other ways, King's warning has proven accurate. Persistent economic inequality has arguably undermined some of the most important achievements of the civil rights movement. Legally, our schools are integrated, but in practice, research suggests they're becoming more segregated. White and black children in kindergarten and younger are much more likely to be separated from each other than whites and blacks in the population at large, which is largely because black families still can't afford to live in the neighborhoods with the best schools, as Emily Badger has explained.

And while segregation between neighborhoods has been steadily decreasing, there are still many places like Ferguson, Mo. where the economic ramifications of decades of racially biased business practices and government policies keep low-income blacks from finding a way out.

It's often said on Martin Luther King Day that the civil rights movement still has unfinished business, but somehow, the events of the past year seem to have made that fact especially clear.

SOURCE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/wonkbook-martin-luther-kings-warnings-on-inequality-were-ahead-of-his-time/
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
76. Maybe not, but MLK was a Democratic Socialist.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

Makes sense that he would at least not be a supporter of Hillary.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
84. It's really just speculation
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

People tend to see what they want in him. And quoting the MLK from the 60s and assuming he'd be exactly the same if still alive today is questionable too.

You could also argue that he'd feel much as John Lewis feels. That would also be speculation.

 

Respect 88

(67 posts)
57. Great Story expanding Dr. King's & Bernie's message
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you for the great article. Important information and ideology to spread.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
163. Here's What Bernie Sanders Actually Did in the Civil Rights Movement
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

—By Tim Murphy
MotherJones | Thu Feb. 11, 2016

EXCERPT...

Although Sanders did attend the 1963 March on Washington, at which Lewis spoke, most of his work was in and around Hyde Park, where he became involved with the campus chapter of CORE shortly after transferring from Brooklyn College in 1961. During Sanders' first year in Chicago, a group of apartment-hunting white and black students had discovered that off-campus buildings owned by the university were refusing to rent to black students, in violation of the school's policies. CORE organized a 15-day sit-in at the administration building, which Sanders helped lead. (James Farmer, who co-founded CORE and had been a Freedom Rider with Lewis, came to the University of Chicago that winter to praise the activists' work.) The protest ended when George Beadle, the university's president, agreed to form a commission to study the school's housing policies.

Sanders was one of two students from CORE appointed to the commission, which included the neighborhood's alderman and state representative, in addition to members of the administration. But not long afterward, Sanders blew up at the administration, accusing Beadle of reneging on his promise and refusing to answer questions from students on its integration plan. In an open letter in the student newspaper, the Chicago Maroon, Sanders vented about the double-cross:



Chicago Maroon

That spring, with Sanders as its chairman, the university chapter of CORE merged with the university chapter of SNCC. Sanders announced plans to take the fight to the city of Chicago, and in the fall of 1962 he followed through, organizing picketers at a Howard Johnson in Cicero. Sanders told the Chicago Maroon, the student newspaper, that he wanted to keep the pressure on the restaurant chain after the arrest of 12 CORE demonstrators in North Carolina for trying to eat at a Howard Johnson there:



CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/bernie-sanders-core-university-chicago

PS: A most hearty welcome to DU, Respect 88! Thank you for grokking.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
63. Good post Octafish...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

not sure why anyone would object to quotes of where MLK stood in regards to labor and economics. It's safe to say MLK stood firmly with the priorities of labor over private capital. A little more Octafish...


"Less than a century ago the laborer had no rights, little or no respect, and led a life which was socially submerged and barren….American industry organized misery into sweatshops and proclaimed the right of capital to act without restraints and without conscience. The inspiring answer to this intolerable and dehumanizing existence was economic organization through trade unions. The worker became determined not to wait for charitable impulses to grow in his employer. He constructed the means by which fairer sharing of the fruits of his toil had to be given to him or the wheels of industry, which he alone turned, would halt and wealth for no one would be available…

"History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them.

"Negroes are almost entirely a working people…. Our needs are identical with labor's needs: decent wages, fair working conditions, livable housing, old-age security, health and welfare measures, conditions in which families can grow, have education for their children and respect in the community. That is why Negroes support labor's demands and fight laws which curb labor. That is why the labor-hater and labor-baiter is virtually always a twin-headed creature, spewing anti-Negro epithets from one mouth and anti-labor propaganda from the other mouth."

—Speaking to the AFL-CIO on Dec. 11, 1961

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"The labor movement was the principal force that transformed misery and despair into hope and progress. Out of its bold struggles, economic and social reform gave birth to unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, government relief for the destitute and, above all, new wage levels that meant not mere survival but a tolerable life. The captains of industry did not lead this transformation; they resisted it until they were overcome. When in the thirties the wave of union organization crested over the nation, it carried to secure shores not only itself but the whole society."

—Speech to the state convention of the Illinois AFL-CIO, Oct. 7, 1965

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“For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society...a radical redistribution of political and economic power.”

-- MLK 1967

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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
73. Outstanding information. Thank you for adding, AOR!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016


"We are not coming to engage in any histrionic gesture. We are not coming to tear up Washington. We are coming to demand that the government address itself to the problem of poverty. We read one day, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." But if a man doesn’t have a job or an income, he has neither life nor liberty nor the possibility for the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists."

-- MLK quotes you are unlikely to hear on Fox News or Glenn Beck's show today

SOURCE: http://www.examiner.com/article/mlk-quotes-you-are-unlikely-to-hear-on-fox-news-or-glenn-beck-s-show-today
 

AOR

(692 posts)
155. We might have some points of contention on a few things...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

but your work and research has always been top notch on many things Octafish. Thanks

navarth

(5,927 posts)
81. 'not sure why anyone would object'?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

It would seem quite obvious, would it not?

I enjoyed your post.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
104. Octafish is a history course in a box
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

I have learned much from his posts in the last decade. Stick around for an 'every once in while' and we all might get to learn much together.

and btw. I really do like your +1 (or two or three), good stuff. Really if you know the history of things, it's so much easier to understand, especially the parts where they try divide us and pit us against each other

 

AOR

(692 posts)
158. The research and writing is top notch from Octafish...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

the attempt to divide the workers on the basis of race, gender, ect...is the work of the right-wing no matter how much it is veiled otherwise. Thanks for the reply.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
145. One thing that's clear: some people have a hard time thinking outside their comfort zone.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

And when someone else brings up something that doesn't fit into their preconceived box of what is or isn't true, those poor souls try to shut down discussion.

Same old same old fuck.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
157. Making a comment is hardly trying to shut down discussion.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

And by commenting I bumped it to the top of the forum did I not? So that's kind of the opposite of shutting down discussion.

I'm not a fan of the tactics being used in this OP and I think it's distasteful as hell, so I said so.


Same old same old fuck.


Not sure what the added "fuck" there is supposed to mean.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
161. When you use ''fuck'' in the reply titles it gets picked up by search engines.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

From there, it is used to help filter out messages and a lot of DU's content gets dropped.

Don't ask me to prove it.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
91. Holy crap, Octafish, way to defend a position
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

The Swarm arrives, and then they fall like bewildered mosquitoes.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
98. Sen. Sanders never had to evolve to the correct position on Civil Rights
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

And he has a whole platform on racial justice: https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

Hillary *still* doesn't have a racial justice message on her campaign site.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
148. Thanks, very important points! Dr. King did appreciate the phone call from JFK.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

Just prior to the 1960 election, then-Sen. John F. Kennedy risked alienating the conservative Southern Democrats by talking to Coretta Scott King while Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. rotted in a "backwoods Georgia jail." The photo below was taken when Dr. King visited President Kennedy at the White House.



Robert Kennedy-His Life by Evan Thomas

EXCERPT…

(Robert) Kennedy seemed to fret about what to do as John Seigenthaler drove him to the airport early that afternoon. He was flying to New York for a campaign event. Maybe, he told Seigenthaler, he should take the heat off his brother and act as a "lightning rod" by calling the judge himself. Seigenthaler, whose phone had been ringing all morning with calls of angry southern politicians protesting JFK's call to Mrs. King, urged Bobby to stay out of it. Bobby wearily agreed.

The next day, a press aide told Seigenthaler that the wires were reporting that the judge had released King -- at the intervention of Robert Kennedy.

Can't be true, Seigenthaler said; Kennedy had assured him he wouldn't call the judge. But it was true. Seigenthaler called Kennedy, who sheepishly disclosed the call. He said that, on the plane to New York, he had got to thinking about the whole matter. It was "disgraceful...It just burned me up," Kennedy said. "It grilled me. The more I thought about the injustice of it, the more I thought what a son of a bitch the judge was." So Kennedy called the judge and gave him a lecture on the constitutional right to make bail, and the judge agreed to release King. Later, speaking with Wofford, Kennedy said he told the judge, "If he was a decent American, he would let King out by sundown. I called him because it made me so damn angry to think of that bastard sentencing a citizen to four months hard labor for a minor traffic offense."

The impact of JFK's call to Mrs. King and RFK's intervention with the judge was immense. Daddy King, Martin Luther King's father, an extremely influential Baptist preacher, openly shifted his endorsement from Nixon to Kennedy. The Kennedy campaign brilliantly exploited the symbolism of phone calls with a samizdat campaign in the black community. Careful not to tout the Kennedy-King connection in the popular mainstream press, lest southern voters take umbrage, the Kennedy campaign published hundreds of thousands of leaflets and handbills that were distributed at black churches and bars. On one side, a flyer read: "Jack Kennedy called Mrs. King" On the other side it said: "Richard Nixon did not." Many political analysts believe that this PR offensive decided the election. In a half-dozen states in the East and Midwest carried by Kennedy by very narrow margins on election day, black turnout made the difference. Richard Nixon's chauffeur understood. "Mr. Vice-President," he told his boss after the election, "you know I had been talking to my friends. They had been all for you. But when Mr. Robert Kennedy called the judge to get Dr. King out of jail -- well, they just all turned to him."

CONTINUED…

Excerpted from "Robert Kennedy: His Life” by Evan Thomas, pages 101-102.

Wounded Bear

(58,676 posts)
112. True justice, and thus true justice reform is not race based...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

However, given the history of the US, it is understandable that many blacks are skeptical about talk of economic reforms that do not directly address their issues. So often in the past, reforms have benefited whites and others, but not blacks. That's just a historical fact. We won't get past that using the conservative based "it's not really happening because we already fixed all that" thought virus.

I do know that MLKjr was a strong proponent of economic reforms, too. He knew that if ALL people at the bottom of the economic ladder were helped, blacks would be helped too, if we ensure that they are not excluded.

The M$M will ignore economic justice issues as they are not as sexy as racial conflicts and don't fit their Chicago school, supply-side narrative. In truth, there is no conflict. Helping black poor people will help all poor people. Helping all poor people will help black poor people. They are entwined.

longship

(40,416 posts)
114. Can Bernie win if the multiplication operation does not commute?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

YAUH!
Yet Another Useless Hypothetical?

Contrafactus! In other words, a useless argument.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
212. FWIU, King put people and peace ahead of war profiteering.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

So, maybe that's a sign of whose positions are closer to his.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
115. Thanks for posting this important rebuttal to the current meme
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

I recall when MLK was lambasted for his "sympathies" to "Communism" and later "Marxism" by the John Birchers in 60's and 70's, which after his assassination, MLK's supporters attempted to whitewash or delete altogether from the record in order to appease the masses and the TPB.

Happy to see Cohen write on the subject with a sharp and clear eyed analysis based on historical fact.

Again thanks for posting, think I'll share it on my fb.

BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
117. Oh FFS
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016


This whole idiotic speculative exercise reeks with desperate white privileged pandering. Let the man rest in peace.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
121. this one stands out to me
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:32 PM
Feb 2016

"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.”

So when Bernie always talks about the economy when asked about our issues, this is what he's getting at.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
126. No, MLK wouldn't. He didn't support and candidates in his life. Why would he?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

He wanted all white people to support his cause. Supporting one side would alienate the other and torpedo the cause.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
150. MLK's opinions in the last years of his life
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

got beyond race and was talking about economic inequality causes the oppression we saw in the colonization in Africa, Vietnam and America

Many of his speeches in Europe during his last years
reflected that world view.

Bobby saw that too in his tours in the poor areas of Appalachia, California and the south.

Thus both were killed by TPTB

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
128. Objection...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

Your Honor, is the prosecution really asking the witness to speculate on how a deceased human would vote?


/sarcasm off

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
147. Among the populace, the only man greater than Rep. John Lewis is MLK Jr. himself.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

Hence this OP by a Bernie supporter. I guess some feel they need to try and level the playing field. It would certainly go a long way in making them feel better when the oncoming shellacking happens in South Carolina.

I'll just defer to Sanders' own documented words against the first Black President (BEST president of my lifetime) of these United States, and we can guesstimate just who MLK Jr., a fighter for Black equality, would support between the Democrat and the Democratic Socialist running on our side.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
149. I agree. When I lived in Georgia, Lewis, Bond, etc., were my favorites. We also had a character
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

who was an icon who could make the most racist Ahole laugh.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
196. I didn't know that, DSB. Thank you for the info.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

And, um, Andy Young is endorsing...lemme guess...starts with an Hillary and ends with a Clinton?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
171. Anyone who knows what MLK believed knows the answer
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016

is a resounding "YES".

Thanks for posting (and for all you do).

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
195. Oh fer chissakes, this again?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016


MLK never endorsed a candidate when he was alive. Dunno why people think he will do it from beyond the grave. Let the man rest.....

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
199. Cornell West support Bernie Sanders and Sanders associates his campaign with him
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

... this will all come to the forefront

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
210. I cannot think of one thing
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

that Martin Luther King Jr said that I disagree with and what he said aligns with what Bernie has been fighting for, for decades. Bernie is a good man with a good soul (enlightened).

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