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The PBS Democratic Debate Was a Tie, but a Tie Goes to Bernie at the Moment (Original Post) pinebox Feb 2016 OP
Actually a tie goes to Clinton because she is still the frontrunner. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #1
Actually she isn't anymore pinebox Feb 2016 #3
That doesn't help Bernie. The Super Delegates will decide a close race. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #4
It helps Bernie greatly pinebox Feb 2016 #5
Wrong. You said it was a dead heat. That implies 50-50. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #6
It is a dead heat pinebox Feb 2016 #8
What I saw last night was anything but a tie. Gregorian Feb 2016 #2
The dynamics of the race have certainly changed since NH. It's suddenly VERY IMPORTANT TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #7

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. Actually a tie goes to Clinton because she is still the frontrunner.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:59 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie needs to have a big win to knock the Super Delegates off their trajectory. If Hillary stalls Bernie's momentum, she'll win the nomination. A tie helps her in that.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. That doesn't help Bernie. The Super Delegates will decide a close race.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

If he and Hillary split the voter delegates somewhat evenly, the Super Delegates decide the winner. Right now, they are leaning decidedly to Hillary.

Bernie has to score big in a debate to change that dynamic--that or have another landslide victory in a key primary state.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
5. It helps Bernie greatly
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

SD's will NEVER go against what the country wants and remind us again what Hillary's national lead was 2 months ago? Guess where the momentum is? Not in Hillary's camp.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. Wrong. You said it was a dead heat. That implies 50-50.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

So what the Democratic voters want is roughly an even split. In that case Hillary gets the nomination due to the Super Delegates. She has a lot of support from them.

Hillary's big national lead was never sustainable. Yes, Bernie has momentum as he becomes better known. But ties don't get him a lead. He has to win a clear majority of the primary votes.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
8. It is a dead heat
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

SD's can switch at any time.
Meanwhile.
Oh look at that, it even says "Dead Heat".
I WIN! XD

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
2. What I saw last night was anything but a tie.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

It's a tie if what she says isn't lies. It's a tie if being a pal with Kissinger is something to be proud of. It's a tie if changing position to mimic Bernie Sanders is considered genuine.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. The dynamics of the race have certainly changed since NH. It's suddenly VERY IMPORTANT
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:51 AM
Feb 2016

for the Hillary Clinton campaign and their friendly media to proclaim a win for Clinton, whereas up until now a debate was just a hoop, just an exercise, she had to jump through on the way to the coronation--all she had to do was not screw up badly. It's really amazing how it's changed almost overnight. No more "oh, we have two/three good candidates, isn't it great to get their ideas out there, blah blah"--everyone gets a trophy-type pablum.

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