2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSLANDER is the word civil rights photographer is using for those that question Bernie's involvement
in Civil Rights movement in Chicago. AND posted MORE pics of Bernie!
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https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/more-bernie-civil-rights-photos-found/
Enough is enough people! Quit spreading falsehoods about a man that has been fighting for equality his entire life.
dchill
(38,511 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)They will say anything to try and get Hillary elected.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Sally Cook, the retired government lawyer University of Chicago alumni who contacted the University of Chicago archives to get the caption of the photo changed, conceded to Time magazine reporter Sam Frizell that she could not "say for certain the man is not Sanders."
So what made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?
Who then told Sam Frizell, Time magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this complete non-story without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?
What then induced the WaPo's Jonathan Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to pick up this complete non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?
Why did corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I don't think you young whippersnappers grasp how much the Establishment stands to lose if Sanders wins. Everyone from Wall Street to the MIC to Tweetie and the Toad will see their whole apple cart turned upside down, and you think they're going to stand by and let it happen?
A buddy of mine served in Cam Rahn Bay, sharing a trailer with another officer who was making waves about cost overruns, shoddy work and so on. One day, while my buddy was out the trailer was blown up with the other officer inside. This, of course, is just anecdotal. Can't be proven. Too long ago.
But who would doubt it?
Thank God Intrepid has Soc Sec protection now. I hope it proves enough.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)How? any positive she might have had was negated by the Slander her people forth and thus extremely illegal she could get into more trouble with this than anything Republicans could gerry mander up
I did see John Lewis come out really strongly that Bernie wasn't a leader in the movement, that he'd never seen or heard of him and he (Lewis) was leading some of these. He also said he did meet Bill and Hillary and they were leaders in the movement, not just followers. But, he was also talking about activism in the south, specifically mentioning Selma and some other Southern places, think Memphis was another one. Bernie was active in Chicago, not the south, from what I understand, so the whole attack was false.
Saddens me to see someone I respect so much go off the reservation on Bernie like that by shading the truth and attacking based on false premises.
randys1
(16,286 posts)lark
(23,134 posts)He did (sadly) specifically say that Bernie wasn't a leader in the movement.
People get caught up in the crazy season and say weird things that upon reflection they sometimes regret. Think Lewis will regret this one.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)but their lives at the time. If they had convictions I don't see photos of them exercising them but I would. I would love to see photos of people putting themselves out into harms way.
lark
(23,134 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)he never saw him or met him. He didn't specifically say that, though. We should be careful with our words, even if others don't.
lob1
(3,820 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Stevepol
(4,234 posts)I'm thankful he's got the protection too.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Henry and Hillary that I'm suffering a senior moment. Probably last until the GE.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)They stand a lot to lose and have a lot of money on the line. I could see them burning the party to the ground to prevent a Sanders win.
It will get much uglier from here on out.
jfern
(5,204 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)not put off by those Hillary fans smirking at his record and do you want to be associated with them? I'm inviting you to camp Bernie.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Soon he will be MLK in their eyes. To me it is inappropriate to lecture blacks on bernie being a champion for us because we do not place him on the list of great black liberation heroes.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)It does not diminish him. I don't think you can find anything wrong with his civil rights activism. Don't harden your heart, I am not blowing him up. Stop looking at "the people," look at the man, his record. You'll be very welcome here.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Can get more voters if this is what gets your attention. I swear its a way to get you to focus on this rather than black voters.
I will say no more. But think about it.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)And I invited you to join. You didn't say no. I take that as a maybe later.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But yes. I am saying it is a distraction and that I should shut up right now so I don't help.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)(Careful! She is not a D)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sorry bout that.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)That was why all the actual marxist type leftists don't like Bernie because he is running as a DEM and that is one of Jill Steins criticisms of him. I get her facebook posts in my newsfeed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)What we do take offense with it the besmirching of his record.
There are news clippings proving he was arrested for protesting segregation. He was one of only four of the 159 arrested to actually be convicted, too, since he was apparently a leader in the protest.
This reminds me more of the birther crap. There was a newspaper clipping announcing Obama's birth in Hawaii. Only a time traveler could have gone back and "planted" that.
Now, we have Clinton surrogates going into University of Chicago archives and changing photo cutlines even after the photographer confirmed the images were of Sanders? That's positively Rovian.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Look at the big picture. Will this help him win? Or should people be reaching out positively?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)with candidate & surrogates who use dishonesty to manipulate & deceive voters.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)The Clinton/Brock/Mook/Podesta negativity will sink them as time goes on.
Dustlawyer
(10,496 posts)her speeches to Wall Street. I believe they would tell everyone what type of person Hillary is. Why should she hide them if her message to them was to "Cut it out"?
When something negative comes out against her, Hillary's campaign throws out all sorts of fake attacks against Bernie to get us to look at the shiny object and forget about what she doesn't want talked about.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)My top five or so most serious issues involve cozying up to Kissinger. The guy that figured out you could get away with war crimes as long as the victims were sufficiently brown.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)now they are starting to walk away and say it does not matter, because well, it blew in their faces.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)that Bernie was the second coming of Moses, but that he has consistently given a shit about the downtrodden and abused since he was a young college student and has been willing to express his positions openly.
Bernie is not trying to distance himself from his past as both Hillary and Obama have done. I bet Hillary isn't particularly blowing her own horn about being a young Republican back in the day, and Obama got on my bad side early on by distancing himself from his own pastor, Jeremiah Wright (a man whom I think was telling the straight truth).
The biggest lesson to learn from Bernie's sit-in participation is that his current beliefs are long-held and haven't deviated based on polling data or what's hot at the moment. Hillary, on the other hand, would boldly state that "I'm a proud Nazi" if Nazis ever became popular in the US - she just wants to be what everyone else wants to be.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Giving a shit and being one of are different. The pushiness is the issue not the things he did. It's like folks think it's the most important theng and tell us over and over day after day how mjch bernie fought for us how much he cares. Fine. Ok. But we dont FEEL it. If we say that then, mlk mlk mlk, bernie marched bernie was arrested!!!! Pushy.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)which actually includes sanders' supporters. in fact, hillary 2016 is reminding some black voters of hillary 2008.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If not then I guess this was pointless, huh? I say what I want no matter who dislikes it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Like when her campaign circulated and popularized a photo of him in Kenyan garb and suggested he was a, gasp!, Muslim.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Trying to use that as a means to disparage someone is quite laughable to me.
There's not a thing wrong with practicing the religion of your choice (or not practicing at all).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I almost joined but sexism irritates me. The NOI is different.
olddots
(10,237 posts)fighting for freedom ,equality and justice has been going on way before political oportunists,
speech writers and market segments .
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Thanks for the post jillan.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Holy shit.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)nevermind OLDSCHOOL prior to wikipedia dirty tricks
jillan
(39,451 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It will get worse, especially if he wins Nevada.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I have much to learn...
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)To go to those lengths seems a bit much.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They have got the big guns out and we need big guns to fight back.
I wouldn't mind if Bernie came out and actually gave a press conference on this.
tblue37
(65,457 posts)dignify the bizarre swiftboat attacks with a response. That passivity allowed the swiftboating to gain credence when it should have been buried immediately as the outrageous lie it was.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Made up of personal attacks.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)even running for any office at the time. And yes, HRC was a Goldwater Girl. There are photos of that. They should be published together.
amborin
(16,631 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)jalan48
(13,874 posts)But hey, they "feel our pain".
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Just a few years difference.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Nt
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)But I can't remember the name. I think we even owned that book. Could it be the poet Rimbaud? My husband thinks so.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I also thought I had seen that cover before. Can't quite place it. It could give some insight as to what Bernie was reading back then. Interesting.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)A 1962 photo! Just think, if it was not for this hullabaloo I would
not have gotten to appreciate it! I like him better everyday. Just
imagine the hard work he has done.
go Bernie!!!!!
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Not only have those lies insulted Sanders, they've insulted everyone from that time who fought for civil rights.
Have you no shame, ma'am, at long last have you no shame.
jham123
(278 posts)Does that mean he wasn't there??
No matter, the Clinton people see what they want to see facts be damned.
And if anyone, anyone doesn't believe that there are tons of big money people shaking in their boots right now, they are delusional. Those same big money people want the status quo, and they'll do whatever it takes to maintain it.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)a 21 year old Bernie Sanders who lives on University Ave and was arrested with 159 others in protest for civil rights.
jillan
(39,451 posts)If it is, all you have to do is 'right click' your mouse.
See where is says Copy Image Address? Click on that.
When you're back at DU, hit Control+v in the message text area and it should post.
You can check to see if it worked by clicking on preview at the bottom.
If it's not online - that's another story... but easy to do. Just more work.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Right click, choose "copy image address" and paste that
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)mucifer
(23,557 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm the one who edited it down and highlighted both his name and the fact that he was one of only four convicted because he was considered a leader of the protest.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)They're done, kaput, bye-bye!
Chezboo
(230 posts)yesterday during the "Tell me something I don't know" segment, including showing the photo. Tweety and co. were stunned. This has got to get exposed.
jillan
(39,451 posts)stupidity coming out of tweety's mouth. Tweety went so far as to insinuate that Bernie is not honest.
I am livid.
marew
(1,588 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)That, in itself, speaks volumes.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)stage left
(2,964 posts)and posting them. I commented on the blog and shared them to facebook.
jillan
(39,451 posts)All I did was read what they posted - so they are the ones to thank, not me
stage left
(2,964 posts)And thanks to Cali and Jarqui
Marr
(20,317 posts)Yeah. The one whose followers are now doing their best to paint Sanders as a racist and phony on Civil Rights.
Gross. As usual.
snort
(2,334 posts)I've gone from "either way were getting a good strong candidate" to "I'm not sure I can vote for this person in good conscience".
She has lost me as anything but another poor bastard forced to hold his nose and vote. Zero enthusiasm for her Presidency. Hell, I just don't like her as a person now. She is making it easy to judge her by her deeds.
This sucks.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)I didn't like her after the IWR vote
I couldn't stand her after her nasty 2008 campaign
Now, I loathe her. I have the same negative, visceral reaction to her that I had to W.
I will vote in November for all the local and state races. But I won't hold my nose and vote for her. Course, before everyone flames me, I live in a ruby red state that has hasn't voted Dem in forever.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)live in FL, OH, VA would be enough to tank her.
HRC is not a risk we can afford.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)for all Democrats on my ballot EXCEPT Hillary. I will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.
senz
(11,945 posts)and they are starting with trying to obliterate his civil rights record. The Clintonites fear losing South Carolina and the other Southern states, and this is why they're trying rip apart his record.
They are using the Big Lie. I hope some in the media will have enough conscience to resist this evil effort.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)and all the other shit is a good part of why we end up with sleeze like that running, truly good,well qualified people won't put themselves into a position that allows others to besmirch their reputations and smear them with lies...
This may very well be the last election I will watch closely at all and is for sure my last as a Dem...They have moved so far off any real path of decentness as to be truly a left wing of the republican party..
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Can we get a picture of the Clinton meeting John Lewis ? even back than camera were available
NoMoreRepugs
(9,444 posts)building support and spreading the message, it stalls momentum - yes, a KKKarl Rove tactic
jillan
(39,451 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)because the media is catapulting it all over the place. Capehart was just now on MSNBC running with this again. And his romantic partner works for Hillary, seems quite relevant to me.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,444 posts)Veterans for Truth and the non-stop ads on the teevee and in print it's probably too late ---
this is a test shot across the bow, dozens more to come - that's a lot of time spent moving sideways
to galvanize a large effort to negate a lie in my opinion
Springslips
(533 posts)Every attack needs to be instantly countered. If not people will assume its true. Ironically, Clinton taught us that in 1992. The key is to frame it so that you both refute the attack while building your voter base. Sander's ability or lack if will decide whether or not he'll win the nomination. If he can defeat the Clinton machine he can defeat the GOP in the general.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Bernie needs to hit back at this publicly, with the photographer, that it IS him and also with the information that SOMEONE went into the archives and changed the captions ... and hopefully, the latter bit will lead to an investigation of some sort to identify who this SOMEONE was and what connections this person might have.
No attacks should be ignored. They need to be dealt with immediately.
cali
(114,904 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That is what they are depending on and that is why they put it out there. They are trying to swiftboat him.
valerief
(53,235 posts)correcting Capehart and Wapo? Zip. Nada. It might as well have been a multi-million-person antiwar march, the blackout is so big.
Loki
(3,825 posts)at the very heart of Selma and Montgomery and Birmingham, beaten and brutalized by it, didn't happen to see a young man sitting in Chicago for a demonstration? Lets put this in perspective shall we. Are you all incapable of doing that? Yes, he was involved, but never to the extent that the great man John Lewis was and many others who went to jail, were beaten and brutalized for their involvement. Seems Mr. Sanders got irritated at someone who didn't follow through with a promise at CORE and left with his football. Not very committed for the long haul and many disappointments along the way. Was he jailed, like Lewis, King, died like Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner, Viola Luizzo? So many went to the darkness where they knew that their lives could be in danger, but it was where the most work needed to be done, and many didn't come back. I'm glad that he participated in Chicago, but you can't compare what he did with what the others sacrificed, especially Mr. John Lewis.
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Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Some Hillary supporter went into the actual campus photographic archive and tried to erase Bernie from history.
That is classic Orwell to rewrite history.
1. Neither Bernie nor any supporter say claim infer imply whisper shout write that Bernie was a national civil rights leader. They say with absolute fact that he cares about and has shown he cares about civil rights and fought for them.
2. Millions of people participated in and cared about civil rights without giving their life or going south. Are you going to throw them all under the bus because they were not Martin Luther King.
3. You asked a number of questions implying that if you didnt die or get beaten or go to jail you can not care about civil rights. Do you want to take that back. Lots of people care about civil rights and did not die, get beaten, or get jailed. Bernie did get arrested.
4. Bernie does not compare himself to MLK, this is a strawman made to dismiss that he was a student activist in Chicago for civil rights. He helped organize sit ins and protests and was arrested in connection with one protest. This does not make him a national figure. It makes him one of the millions of people involved with the movement.
5. He was on the right side of that issue. At protests he was on the civil rights side rather than the side fighting civil rights. Instead of throwing him under the bus, you might commend that he was active as a student activist in the civil rights movement.
paleotn
(17,933 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Response to jillan (Original post)
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tblue
(16,350 posts)I'm crying reading this. Yesterday broke my heart!
Imagine anyone accusing you of NOT doing one of the most profoundly meaningful things you did in your entire life.
tblue
(16,350 posts)moondust
(20,000 posts)Thanks to all responsible for the slime protection.
(Can you hear us now, Brock?)
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)country. To see Capehart and Matthews attack him and exploit his work like this without either of these so called 'journalists' bothering to pick up the phone and ask Lyon about his own photos makes me furious. Clearly Jon and Chris had no idea who Danny Lyon is. None at all. Further, I don't think it even crossed their minds to find out, seek him out and ask him about the photo they intended to 'report' about. Journalists are supposed to do that. They are not supposed to repeat gossip nor make things up and claim them to be true.
The disrespect for Danny Lyon is just unforgivable.
mountain grammy
(26,635 posts)Response to jillan (Original post)
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Bush's avoided the war in Vietnam, Kerry fought in the war. Roves playbook: play directly at your opponents's strength...
Bernie was a participant in the civil rights movement, while Hillary was a Goldwater girl..Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)Rovian tactics need instant burials.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)Nothing backfires worse than a dirty trick gone wrong.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, jillan.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)any Democrat who would stoop this low.
Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)Thanks for the thread, jillan.
pugetres
(507 posts)that shared the arrest information. Bernie was 21 years old.
I wish I had, now at my age, the courage and fortitude that he showed at that age.
I really admire this man.
braddy
(3,585 posts)Baadger
(56 posts)nt