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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:06 PM Feb 2016

The Biggest reason I just can't #FeelTheBern (The Fetishization of Not Knowing)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-kushner/the-fetishization-of-not-knowing-bernie-sanders_b_9195124.html

The Fetishization of Not Knowing

Daniel Kushner
PhD Candidate in Political Science at Brown University

I began this campaign as a Hillary fan who respected Bernie Sanders and what he had to say about the economy and U.S. politics. I'm not surprised that this message has appealed to so many people, both those I know, and those I don't, in part because it's something which has gotten less attention than it has deserved, even if there are problems with elements of it.

In my calmer moments, I think that the Sanders campaign might represent a positive shift for the discussion of certain topics within the Democratic Party and the broader populace. Listening to him over the past year, however, I began to increasingly believe that for all the positive things his campaign represents, it also represents something deeply problematic: a fetishization of not knowing.

For me, this probably began with the discussion over foreign policy. I spend a decent amount of my time being horrified by the genocide in Syria, and how the instability that seems to be pouring out of that country may produce horrifying outcomes in states ranging from Turkey to Lebanon to Western Europe. I think there is space for multiple proposals about what we do now, and though I'm sympathetic to much of what Obama is doing and Hillary is suggesting continuing, I would have thought a liberal candidate for the presidency would have been talking about the need for increased foreign aid, or greater openness to refugees, or, well, something.

Instead, his primary comment on international affairs seems to be to reiterate and reiterate and reiterate that he had voted against the Iraq War in 2002. When forced to discuss other matters, he quickly bobbles. In the most recent debate, he seemed unsure about whether North Korea has a single or multiple dictators, and then managed to take both positions in a matter of minutes about whether the U.S. should negotiate without preconditions with other countries.

Now, Bernie Sanders is not the first candidate to not be an expert on even something as significant as foreign affairs. But what's deeply troublesome here is how he seems to have no respect for knowledge on it. It's visible in the almost-disdain he expresses for Hillary Clinton's experience on the matter. She had been Secretary of State for four years, but he has been in Congress for more than two decades. Exactly when does he think he'll have sufficient experience to speak fluently on foreign policy?

Even more disconcerting has been his apparent unwillingness to find advisers to help bridge the gap. It was only 15 years ago that Democrats mocked George Bush Jr.'s disinterest in foreign policy; he at least had the courtesy to be embarrassed by what he didn't know, and hired a staff, including professors of international relations and former Secretaries of Defense, to help. They proved to provide much terrible advice, but there was at least an effort to appear informed. Sanders hasn't done so.

But foreign policy isn't a crucial part of the Sanders campaign. Health care, though, is. Five years ago, Sanders proposed a universal health care bill that failed to get any co-sponsors. When he was reticent to provide information about what plan he was proposing now, the Clinton campaign started to criticize that bill. In response, Sanders withdrew his support of that bill, meaning it now had zero support. Shortly before the Iowa caucuses, Sanders proposed a new plan, which was written by Gerald Friedman, a professor of economics at U-Mass Amherst, whose research focused on the history of the labor union movement in France and the U.S. The plan would cost in the area of $14 trillion over 10 years (for reference, Obamacare was projected to cost in the vicinity of $800 billion over that same time period).

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy at Emory, whose research is on the cost of medical programs, and has advised the Democrats in the Vermont State Legislature when they sought to pass a single-payer plan, noted that the plan promised savings in the area of $324 billion a year from prescription drugs, which would have been impressive, considering Americans spend only in the vicinity of $305 billion a year.

When the Sanders campaign was presented with this disparity, as well as others, they quickly attacked Thorpe, and then changed their numbers to acknowledge $444 billion per year of increased costs, but also, instantaneously, magically, found the same number of savings elsewhere. This is not how somebody tries to suggest a serious effort to improve the deeply problematic health care plan in the U.S.

This disrespect for expertise is also manifest in how Sanders speaks about the establishment. Recently, when Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign endorsed Clinton, he referred to their leadership as being parts of the establishment. They are, to be sure, members of an establishment. They're members of the liberal Democratic establishment that has been promoting, sometimes intelligently and other times not, sometimes effectively and other times less so, liberal ideals for decades.

For efforts to promote human rights, these are the people one would expect to have the most understanding of how to do so. One of the fascinating things about this campaign has been seeing how so many of those who should know Bernie Sanders the best, and have worked the hardest on what would appear to be his issues, have been so eager to oppose him. He spent more than a decade in the House; of the 188 Democrats there now, two endorsed him, and 157 endorsed Hillary.

Sanders serves in the U.S. Senate with 45 Democratic-voting colleagues; not only have none endorsed him, but 39 have endorsed Hillary. Sanders has been a significant figure in Vermont politics for four decades. Patrick Leahy, his fellow Senator from Vermont, endorsed Hillary. The incumbent governor of Vermont, and two former Democratic governors of Vermont, endorsed Hillary.

Sanders has focused on issues relating to the labor movement; virtually every single major labor union has endorsed Hillary Clinton. For contrast, in the 2008 campaign, many of these people waited until a few primaries had been held before endorsing. This time, there is almost glee in their desire to make their views known.

Again and again, when the Sanders campaign learns of these moves, the emphasis is on their being parts of the establishment. And they are parts of an establishment. But if this establishment is the enemy, then on whose side is he?
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The Biggest reason I just can't #FeelTheBern (The Fetishization of Not Knowing) (Original Post) lunamagica Feb 2016 OP
Good read! bravenak Feb 2016 #1
Brave, this is one of the best analysis out there. Just brilliant lunamagica Feb 2016 #3
It sure is bravenak Feb 2016 #5
The people? dogman Feb 2016 #2
Oh poo ... Third Way apologist is against Bernie ... Trajan Feb 2016 #4
Kushner doesn't know much RobertEarl Feb 2016 #6
Bravo frazzled Feb 2016 #7
Good article. You'll probably do well with the Ph.D. However mikehiggins Feb 2016 #8
The most disheartening aspect of Hillary supporters Maedhros Feb 2016 #9
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. Oh poo ... Third Way apologist is against Bernie ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

Now what do I do ? ....

This is what I do ... Have you ever heard of Righthaven? ...

Please look it up, and then, cut all but four paragraphs from your post ...

And? ... Go Bernie? .... Hell yeah GO Bernie!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Kushner doesn't know much
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Probably how to cash his government check is about it.

This article is so wrong and full of not knowing it seems to be a lie wrapped up in lies.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. Bravo
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

I could add to this list of despairing examples of incuriousity, inexactitude, loosey-goosey policy, and disdain for expertise and facts—but I don't need to. This young scholar has done such a lucid, well-reasoned critique it's unnecessary.

Of course, the problem is, we are living in an era that adores Not Knowing. It may well win, and there's not a lot to be done about it. You can't counter blind faith with reason. Maybe the country should reinstate the old Know-Knothing Party. It could have a great chance of winning!

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
8. Good article. You'll probably do well with the Ph.D. However
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

just like generals all fight the last wars, today's campaign has the simple premise that we can learn by our past mistakes but we don't have to repeat them.

If Sanders makes it to the White House he isn't likely to turn to the Kissingers and Rumsfelds and Allbrights and others to advise the nation on foreign affairs. These are the people, and PNAC, and others who led a benign, possibly wet-brain president to get us into a totally predictable disaster in the Middle East.

Experts brought us the Titanic.

The argument is experience vs judgment. The problem we face is the experience we are relying on has brought us to economic and political disaster.

Now is the time for some judgement. I'll spare you yet another listing of Sanders' platform. Let me just lay out what is going on.

If Sanders does win--and in my heart of hearts I think that is supremely unlikely--the message will be, this (the platform) is what we want. Go get it. There is no real reason--except for the mumblings of the experts--why we can't get all those things we want. It will be hard, though probably not as hard as the Civil War, but it can be done.

SO, lets go do it.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. The most disheartening aspect of Hillary supporters
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

is that they apparently don't understand that there was a class war, and the working class lost. They are also under the assumption that the Democratic Party should not take the side of the working class in this war.

Kushner says this:

Again and again, when the Sanders campaign learns of these moves, the emphasis is on their being parts of the establishment. And they are parts of an establishment. But if this establishment is the enemy, then on whose side is he?


He's on the side of the people, Dan. That's where Hillary should be, but very pointedly is not. And if you don't understand how the people have been screwed over by the establishment, then you are on the wrong side of the aisle.

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