Hillary snapped at BLM activists: "...then I will only talk to white people..."

[cali]

And Representative Jeffries says Bernie is dismissive. Thank dog Bernie hasn't said the imperious, dismissive crap that rolls off Hillary's lips.

<snip>

"Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems," Clinton snapped. Jones said it's a "form of victim blaming" for Clinton to tell Black Lives Matter what it "needs to do to change white hearts." While Clinton avoided opening up about her personal culpability in America's race problem, that provoked a passionate explanation of how she sees politics:

<snip>
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/video-hillarys-meeting-with-black-lives-matter.html

[valerief]

1. I remember that! nt

[cali]

2. And don't forget her very first response to BLM:

"All lives matter"

[TwilightGardener]

3. Remember what a cardinal sin it was when O'Malley said it?

[cali]

7. Yep. I sure do.

[arcane1]

31. She is literally the ONLY person that is "allowed" to say it.

How convenient.

[virgogal]

15. Hillary is right---all lives do matter.

I raised my kids to respect all lives and my grandchildren have been raised the same way.

I certainly don't think that "some" lives matter.

[frylock]

34. #bluelivesmatter

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. FYI #alllivesmatter is a creation of the KKK

and other RW groups. This is why it is so offensive.

Chew on that one please. And I had to explain that to my mom, who is not living in the US by the way.

[valerief]

64. Good god, if you don't understand BLM, you definitely need to be a member of my

Forever Ignored Club.

[Amimnoch]

70. The point of BLM isn't that other lives don't matter.

The point is bringing to light that in this country black lives are treated with much less value than everyone else, and this movement is to demonstrate that their lives DO matter, and should matter every bit as much as anyone else.

Police brutality, sanctioned and protected murder by cop, police harassment for those who've committed the crime of driving while black.. These are some of the equalities that BLM is bringing to light.

Statements like "all lives matter" cheapen the argument that is being made. It was a poor choice of words on her part.

She did some redemption and clarification at the 2nd debate when Anderson Cooper asked, but this was not a good comment for her to make.

[Odin2005]

75. The "All Lives Matter" meme is an invention of White Supremacists...

...who made it shit on BLM and Black victims of police brutality.

[virgogal]

92. I never put the words all lives matter in quotes as you did.

It is just a general philosophy of life,not a political statement.

It seems quite simple and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.

Why look for a meaning that isn't even there?

It astonishes me that a simple statement could be considered racist and in anyway be associated with police brutality.

Strange.

[cali]

83. Anyone should be able to figure out

that there's an unspoken "too" at the end of the phrase "Black Lives Matter (too)

[bvar22]

24. Read the Body Language.

This is Hillary "listening" to BLM:

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

33. I recall that. It really was as bad as it looks.

[PonyUp]

60. She got it from Bill shaking his finger at us and saying "I did not have..." n/t

[Fuddnik]

63. Or his Sistah Soljuh moment at the NAACP Convention.

[Bohemianwriter]

106. Perhaps she showed off her finger shaking she did against the banksters...

[senz]

67. Her high-handed arrogance just blew me away.

And the BLM activists were so polite, so nice to her. She acted like the Queen talking to peons.

Bernie would NEVER do that. He respects other people.

[Odin2005]

74. She's as condescending to Blacks as she is to women and young voters, apparently.

[ALBliberal]

102. And HRC was given the courtesy of scheduling a time to meet with BLM.... Sanders

And O'Malley were blindsided!

[CorporatistNation]

103. The Finger Wag!!!!

"When I'm President...." Blah Blah Blah!

[Odin2005]

73. Hillary actually said that reactionary tripe?

HOLY SHIT!

[Enthusiast]

49. Some have conveniently forgotten.

[LisaM]

4. I've seen some cherry-picked quotes in the last few weeks

But this has to be one of the most egregious examples ever.

[tk2kewl]

6. have you seen the video of this interaction?

[cali]

11. Learn what cherry picking means. This is her full quote

Meanwhile hill fans are flat out lying about pics of Bernie, even AFTER the world renowned photographer who took those photos says that it is absolutely Bernie in those photos.

[jeff47]

21. OK, provide the context that clarifies it.

Or we can look at the video in the next post, if you'd prefer.

[nashville_brook]

22. this was her first meeting w/BLM and her main response during that meeting

during the campaign, after all the Sanders/Seattle bruhaha.


hardly cherry picking -- HILLarious.

[cali]

23. Hillarians are Hillarious.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. The context was her claiming black people need to admit they're partly to blame.

[TheFarS1de]

51. No , it was bang on

The tone , the wording and the situation was exactly like stated . HC was absolutely horrendous in that discussion .

[Maedhros]

59. To say it was cherry-picked is to say that it is taken out of context,

which is not the case here.

[Kelvin Mace]

65. Please explain your claim.

Provide context which makes her comments "benign".

[Kalidurga]

77. LOL

Do you want to go with that really? Oh my. It's never ever okay to say that to a black person ever no circumstances makes it right there is no context in which that can be an okay quote.

[Iggy Knorr]

95. Go watch the video and tell everyone with a straight face it was acceptable response n/t

[oasis]

96. Not an easy cherry. Had to reach faaaaaaaar back for this.

Didn't work then, won't work now.

[Cheese Sandwich]

5. video

Hillary: If you disagree with me I will talk only to white people.

That is so messed up.

I honestly don't know what anyone sees in her.

[thereismore]

9. I'm sorry to say this but the black man is sooo careful not to provoke the white lady and she still

blows up. Her body language is atrocious. No humility at all.

[Prism]

27. That's what got me

He's trying so hard to be measured and respectful, and she tries to stomp on him like a bug.

She wasn't listening. She didn't want to listen.

[arcane1]

30. If she leaned any further away from "Scary Black Man" she'd fall over backwards.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

43. Are those jazz hands? Where Jonathan Capehart when you need him?

Jazz hands are put in someone's face moved up and down to hush them. The finale comes with the finger wagging.

Jazz hands!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. You would have had a similar response from any cookie cutter republican.

[jonestonesusa]

100. Cringe worthy moment, for sure.

One of many for Ms. ready to lead on day one.

[AzDar]

8. K & R

[NCTraveler]

10. What that is called.

Is someone having a conversation with POC while feeling comfortable doing so. The spin is what is revealing. Very revealing.

Seems some don't get this. Adults talking. White and black. Neither scared to speak. Neither scared of what their next words are. That is called respect. That is called openness. That is called honest.

[cali]

13. Not how the black people there saw it. Try again, dear friend

[NCTraveler]

14. No thanks. My first try was solid.

[cali]

16. Nope. pretty patronising to PoC claiming that crap

[NCTraveler]

18. Not patronizing in the least.

In any way. lol. I do see what is clearly patronizing in this. It isn't their conversation.

[uhnope]

44. It's patronizing & cynical to think anyone is going to believe yr half-sentence out of context...

...means what you say it means.

I'm glad that, even on the Internet, most people are not so easily duped

[cali]

48. The full sentence is right in the op

And it didn't fit in the title line.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Really? So comfortable that Larry Wilmore made a hilarious skit about it?

You think we're the only ones who noticed how uncomfortable she was?

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. I loved that skit

thanks

[thesquanderer]

45. Actually, she ultimately comes off pretty well in that skit.

I'm a Sanders supporter, but I'll say, good for her. Really, when you look at the entirety of the exchange between them, despite the out-of-context quote, she's actually quite respectful and thoughtful.

[beam me up scottie]

50. I disagree, her body language was very telling.

She was intimidated and defensive even though the young guy was going out of his way to be polite and respectful.

[Prism]

84. I'll disagree verrrrry slightly

If you look at the body language and initial response, you get a very entitled, "How dare you approach the imperial we." And her nodding is so plastered on, she might as well be a bobble head.

But that very last point had an actual point. And I'll give this to her, she was a bit of a grown up addressing a nascent movement. BLM doesn't know where it's going or what it's doing. It's still in the lashing out stage. And she was trying to advise them as far as being structured and targeted. I agree with her there. And I think it applies when you look at it from a pro-Sanders perspective as well. He's just been lashed out at, without context, without direction, without any real idea of where the end game is. And we've (collective) hated that when directed at Sanders. And Clinton points out the problem with that at the end there.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Her attitude is hilariously condescending. But the idea she articulates at the end is not entirely amiss.

[beam me up scottie]

85. I agree it was a good point but it could have been delivered better.

I think by that time they were just so frustrated that they probably didn't even hear her.

She was months behind Bernie and O'Malley when it came to addressing the matter, Campaign Zero was keeping track and last I looked she still wasn't even with Bernie

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[Prism]

86. I don't disagree at all

Every single thing she said up until that point was awful. But then right at the end, she saved it. But by then, who was listening? The previously 3/4 response was so full of entitled assholery, no one cared about the rest.

[uhnope]

52. +1 despite the out-of-context quote

[Fawke Em]

61. Speaking of comfortable...

[thereismore]

62. That was awesome. Never seen it until now. nt

[poprocks71]

89. Feel the bern!

That was absolutely fabulous. He has such an awesome sense of humor. Makes bernie seem much more approachable than hillary

[bravenak]

26. Exactly

[stonecutter357]

38. +1000

[Ken Burch]

42. Interrupting is not showing respect.

She had no excuse for cutting them off.

Bernie voluntarily gave the mic to the women in Seattle and let them say everything they wanted.

He only left because he thought letting the seattle BLM women get their message out fully was more important than him talking about Social Security.

It was Bernie who showed true respect to BLM, and did so under fire.

[NCTraveler]

46. I'm not that impressed with your spin here.

It simply doesn't give a factual representation of events. Fact is, "interrupting" is your issue. Welcome to adult conversations. The one being referenced was just that.

Do you find interrupting to truly be showing a lack of respect? Hold the line on that one and you will shortly be claiming Sanders is one of the most disrespectful people you have ever seen.

[Ken Burch]

55. In this context it was.

She was sending the message "I don't have time to listen to everthing you have to say...Cut to the chase, because there are other things I could be doing that are more important".

And when Bernie jumped in, it was part of a debate. HRC wasn't there to debate BLM...she was supposed to just listen.

Why was that asking so much?

[NCTraveler]

57. Ahhh yes. Just this context. lol. nt.

[uhnope]

47. is it a microaggression? Does the vid come with a trigger warning?

lol. read this http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

[MadDAsHell]

72. That ain't the world we live in. This is gotcha politics world. No "conversation" about race...

will ever actually take place.

[MisterP]

12. and they got the bum's rush at another event

[closeupready]

17. Ms. Condescension talks only with those who respect her entitlement to the coronation.

Period.

[dinkytron]

20. Her gratuitous nods and hmms are irritating and dismissive.

[arcane1]

28. Her body language in that video says it all. Leaning backward, pointing fingers in faces, etc.

She treated the BLM reps like adversaries, not allies.

However, she is apparently the only white person who is allowed to offer BLM suggestions on tactics

[Nonhlanhla]

32. This OP is a distortion of the conversation

You are distorting her words. First of all, she did not snap. Second of all, her words were a response and should not be heard in isolation. The basic structure of her sentence is of the "IF this, THEN that" kind.

Quote from https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can:
Jones had earlier said, “Respectfully … you don’t tell black people what we need to know, and we won’t tell you all what you need to do.” Clinton fired back, in what was viewed by many as the response of a white liberal forced to reckon with her own behavior. “Well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with … a very real problem.

The New York Times described their interaction as “visceral and raw,” and Clinton didn’t disagree when I asked her about it. “It was very affecting to me,” she said, “because when you are trying to raise consciousness, and you are so passionate about the wrongs that you see, and you want to be part of a movement to call them out and go beyond and try to provide solutions, it’s important that people listen—particularly people in positions of influence.” But, she added, she was concerned the “grassroots energy” of BLM would not result in actual change. “I am running for office because I believe politics really matters,” she said. “And it matters because we’ve got to harness the energy of people, organize them, mobilize them, politicize them, to bring about changes from the local level to the national level. ” End quote.

The conversation was about drug incarceration. Hillary had consented to speak to some BLM activists after an event, and the whole conversation was raw and honest. Her response was not that she will IN FACT talk only to white people, but that if BLM activists want her to act politically to help them achieve greater racial justice, they have to TALK to her, and not refuse to talk. Because she does want to solve the problem, and she's going to be talking to anyone and listening to anyone who is willing to participate in the conversation.

[uhnope]

39. yes it is, a shameful, intentional distortion.

[retrowire]

53. It's still wrong.

Only talking to white people? That's a statement that outright excludes those who are seeking a solution.

The statement basically infers that "You sit at that table, and I'll speak with adults"

It's rude and exclusive. Terrible.

[closeupready]

68. It's an ultimatum; my way or the highway...

On the face of it, she's saying "I have ZERO interest in listening to you. YOU listen to ME, BUSTER!"

[Nonhlanhla]

81. Nonsense

You are misreading her because it fits your pre-existing idea of who Hillary is. She's inviting them to be part of the conversation. She's saying that the conversation on how to deal with this problem, will continue, with or without them, and that they should talk to her if they don't want only white people to be part of the conversation.

[retrowire]

93. uhh, are they white people?

no?

then it's an exclusive comment.

[Nonhlanhla]

94. I'm sorry that you choose to misrepresent the conversation.

That is of course your prerogative.

[retrowire]

97. logic isnt hard though. nt

[Ken Burch]

35. Why couldn't she just sit and listen until the BLM reps were done speaking?

Why did she feel entitled to interrupt them and get all "cut to the chase" about it?

Bernie let the women in Seattle say everything they wanted to say. He voluntarily turned over the mic to them and he didn't have to do that.

[uhnope]

36. BS quote out of context. yr tactic is worthy of Limbaugh or O'Reilly

I'm not a supporter but in context HRC was saying, to paraphrase, if POC activists would start to refuse to talk to her/white Americans, she & white America would end up only talking to other white people.
Shame on you for taking it out of context like that. No surprise though, since division & false representation are a mainstay on DU.

[whatchamacallit]

58. Feel free to post the whole thing. It's a disturbing train wreck beginning to end.

[robbob]

80. Well, maybe she should have chosen her words more carefully?

like, for example: "Well, if BLM refuses to talk with us to help us find solutions to these problems then it will end up just being a bunch of white people talking about problems they can't fully understand. And that would be wrong and unproductive".

See? Not that hard. Part of Hillaries lack of appeal stems from her inability to find the right tone and choose the right words. Not a minor flaw when one is running for POTUS.

[uhnope]

82. it's dishonest. Don't defend dishonesty.

[Starry Messenger]

101. +1

[Duval]

41. Thanks for the memory jog. I had forgotten this.

Don't know what we'd do without you cali.

[TheFarS1de]

54. It was all simply miscommunication .

HC was simply waiting for her speaking fee money and the other group didn't know there was a fee involved .

[captainarizona]

56. speaking of taking things out of context

John Lewis said he didn't meet bernie in the 1960's at washington march or selma ;but did meet hillary in the 1970's. Mr. Lewis couldn't have met hillary rodham in the 1960's as she was for goldwater when he voted against the civil rights bill!

[NurseJackie]

66. It's not working. Unless...

... you're trying to make me laugh.

[cali]

69. Working?

I seem to be doing just fine, nurse. No one seems to pay much attention to what you have to say.

[loyalsister]

71. Deserving people

[dchill]

76. K&R

[jtuck004]

78. Frankly, that's who needs to stop racism, so that is not a terrible idea.

>Jones said it's a "form of victim blaming" for Clinton to tell Black Lives Matter what it "needs to do to change white hearts."< Well of course it's victim blaming.

You are talking to a Jedi knight of victim blaming.


The ones who need to change are the white folks. He was and is correct.

[azmom]

104. I don't think Hillary got that. All she heard

Was it's a white problem, and got all defensive.

[Loudestlib]

79. That's worthy of a meme.

[url=https://imgflip.com/i/z3ji2][img][/img][/url][url=https://imgflip.com/memegenerator]via Imgflip Meme Maker[/url]

[amborin]

87. here's the video:

&feature=youtu.be

[Uncle Joe]

88. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[Horus T Light]

90. Old News

Really, cali, an out of context quote from a questionable source. I know this footage and wrote about this interaction a year ago. the Sanders camp is doing the GOP's work for them. I fail to see how Hillary has anything to do with the act of 94. As I said, look at the history of how this got passed, who wrote this bill, and what did we get to pass because of it. Remember, some have the speed and the right combinations, but if you can't take the punches it don't mean a thing! Hillary2016!

[link:http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/08/fighter-hillary-clinton-blasts-every-republican-candidate-for-being-anti-woman.html|

[cali]

91. Newly relevant in light of comments by Jeffries

And how the fuck is that out of context or from a questionable source. No and no.

Thanks for the kick.

Bye bye

[senz]

98. K&R

Needs to be seen.

[Hekate]

99. Misleading, taken out of context.

JURY: This is scarcely harsh.

[cali]

108. The full quote is right there. Do explain the context

that is in your view of it.

[Bohemianwriter]

105. Hillary will only talk to white yes men and with the "right colour"

to solve problems in disenfranchised African American communities that was caused by her and her husband's policies.

Isn't that special?

[ZombieHorde]

107. I think she was saying that if black people don't talk to her about these issues,

then she'll only be talking to white people about these issues (I'm not sure why yellow, brown, and red people are left out here).

I've had a lot to drink tonight, but that was my interpretation of the video posted in this tread.