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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:33 PM Feb 2016

Can the Establishment Fix Its Bernie Sanders Problem?

By Shamus Cooke

February 11, 2016

An excellent article by Arun Gupta lays bare the machinery of the Party that could be used to decapitate Bernie’s campaign. Yes, the Democratic Party machine could destroy Bernie’s campaign, but it could come at a cost they might not be willing to pay. Most of the Party’s weapons are blunt instruments that leave too much evidence. And millions of people are watching closely.

The first major Party attack misfired badly when the Democrats tried to sabotage Bernie by restricting access to voter data. Hundreds of thousands of people expressed outrage on social media and by signing petitions.

The blowback stunned the Party, which quickly backtracked. They learned a powerful lesson: By destroying Bernie, they could destroy the Party, completely discrediting themselves in front of millions of people.

They didn’t realize how fast the political ground was shifting beneath their feet. Nobody did, and unless an anti-Bernie cryptonite is found soon, the crisis will deepen. Their own electoral game is rigged, yet out of their control.

The trump card of the Party elites is their control of “superdelegates.” But overplaying your best cards is risky too. Imagine Sanders winning the popular vote by wide margins in state after state, only to have the Party machine give the delegates to Clinton. Acting this undemocratically could trigger a deep crisis and destroy the veneer of democracy.

For now the Democrats have opted for a backup plan. It isn’t working. They launched a coordinated pro-Hillary bandwagon campaign, foolishly thinking that Bernie’s populist message could be drowned by a flood of “respected individuals” offering glowing endorsements of Clinton or making cheap attacks against Bernie.


Full article incl. links: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/can-the-establishment-fix-its-bernie-sanders-problem/
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Can the Establishment Fix Its Bernie Sanders Problem? (Original Post) polly7 Feb 2016 OP
K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
'Most of the Party’s weapons are blunt instruments that leave too much evidence. elleng Feb 2016 #2
Hillary Clinton's political casualty report - February 2016. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #3
here is one SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #7
Derpy Watered-down Sharts is down in hifiguy Feb 2016 #31
wow - looks like I lit the fuse SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #32
Sen. Barbara Boxer Dems to Win Feb 2016 #9
Barbara Boxer immoderate Feb 2016 #10
Al Franken pangaia Feb 2016 #21
Agreed. 99Forever Feb 2016 #33
Hillary gave him a lot of support when he was running.. pangaia Feb 2016 #40
Trying to bestow the Wellstone blessing on Hillary fron the grave.... tokenlib Feb 2016 #37
I wonder if/who got to him. pangaia Feb 2016 #41
Shaheen and one other lady that came out first who'se name escapes me, was it Claire McCaskell? Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #22
bill clintons angry rants restorefreedom Feb 2016 #23
Who will be next? Jed28 Feb 2016 #28
Claire McCaskill tularetom Feb 2016 #29
We Us Together - Vs - Me MyBank And I -- The 1% Will Not Be Denied cantbeserious Feb 2016 #4
+99% n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #17
If they would all pledge to stop accepting bribes, I think they'd be done closeupready Feb 2016 #5
THIS. kath Feb 2016 #12
They can and they will. Corrupt slimy people. cali Feb 2016 #6
Another blunt instrument has just been pulled out Dragonfli Feb 2016 #8
"a major step in the wrong direction" is right. kath Feb 2016 #13
A major step in the wrong direction is Hillary Clinton-style progressivism. frylock Feb 2016 #25
Bernie would not take a deal. SamKnause Feb 2016 #11
I think they're going to misjudge Bernie by a mile Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #14
Anyone who hadn't switched to Bernie after the very first bullet point isn't in this for liberalism. Shandris Feb 2016 #15
Indeed. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #18
That headline cracks me up... jham123 Feb 2016 #16
Yeah, these endorsements aren't helping her Arazi Feb 2016 #34
K&R for exposure. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #19
Can the Establishment Fix Its Bernie Sanders Problem? TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #20
And that - I'm afraid - is what will happen. Young people will give up. Older people who had hoped Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #24
A dream come true for the powers that be. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #27
This is all being watched by many of my international friends and colleagues pangaia Feb 2016 #26
That's great to know! RiverLover Feb 2016 #38
In a couple other posts, I listed the countries in which I know people, pangaia Feb 2016 #44
The party elites are doing a lot of damage Kenjie Feb 2016 #30
Sure. No problem "fixing" it. nt cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #35
I'm sensing a new trend. OZi Feb 2016 #36
A lot depends on the repug nominee. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #39
This: Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #42
Unfortunately true. pangaia Feb 2016 #45
+1 Fearless Feb 2016 #46
The whole world is watching... wezl Feb 2016 #47
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #43

elleng

(130,740 posts)
2. 'Most of the Party’s weapons are blunt instruments that leave too much evidence.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

And millions of people are watching closely.'

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton's political casualty report - February 2016.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Step right up.
Who will be next to attempt to take down Bernie Sanders and end up politically diminished and damaged?
Don't be shy.
Join a list of elite luminaries whose political reputations have been sullied by their attempts to destroy Bernie Sanders and promote Hillary Clinton:

Gloria Steinem
Paul Krugman
Bernie Frank
Madeleine Albright
Chelsea Clinton
John Lewis
Howard Dean

am I missing anyone?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. Derpy Watered-down Sharts is down in
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

the bunker coordinating all this tired eand abysmal horseshit. It's her ass and those of the DINO corporatists that will be grass when Bernie's lawn mower clears the field and they know it.

They will fight like rabid cornered weasels to hang on to the $$$$$ they rake in from influence peddling and dashing through the DC/Wall Street/lobbying/MIC revolving door.

To hell with the lot of them.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
9. Sen. Barbara Boxer
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sad about this, cause I luv Boxer. She's retiring soon, I hate to see her defending Hillary's campaign contributions and paid speeches in her last months in office.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
10. Barbara Boxer
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

Barb, and the people you mention would all have previously gotten positive ratings from me. Not so much now.

--imm

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
33. Agreed.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

I use to consider him "my Senator Al." Worked phones for him, canvased for him. Was a Franken delegate all the way to the CD caucus. Spoke with him personally a couple of times. I feel like he backstabbed me. So be it Al.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
40. Hillary gave him a lot of support when he was running..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

For what that is worth.

But, me too. I was really surprised. I thought he knew better.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
37. Trying to bestow the Wellstone blessing on Hillary fron the grave....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

..was sickening, and made a lot of us want to throw up in our mouths just a bit. Although it didn't surprise me, it did disgust me.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. bill clintons angry rants
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

don't seem to be endearing him to ahelluva lot of people, either.

he is starting to embarrass himself.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
5. If they would all pledge to stop accepting bribes, I think they'd be done
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

with their "Bernie Sanders Problem". They will never EVER do that however.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
8. Another blunt instrument has just been pulled out
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511213677

The Democratic National Committee has rolled back restrictions introduced by presidential candidate Barack Obama in 2008 that banned donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees.

The decision was viewed with disappointment Friday morning by good government activists who saw it as a step backward in the effort to limit special interest influence in Washington. Some suggested it could provide an advantage to Hillary Clinton’s fundraising efforts.

“It is a major step in the wrong direction,” said longtime reform advocate Fred Wertheimer. “And it is completely out of touch with the clear public rejection of the role of political money in Washington,” expressed during the 2016 campaign.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
11. Bernie would not take a deal.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

He would hold a press conference and tell the American people the truth.

He would never risk his integrity.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
14. I think they're going to misjudge Bernie by a mile
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

like this writer has. He didn't come this far to sell out to the likes of them. But I wouldn't be surprised if he let them think that.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
15. Anyone who hadn't switched to Bernie after the very first bullet point isn't in this for liberalism.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

It really is that simple. The moment a DEMOCRAT tried to lessen the influence of it's own voters in a DEMOCRATIC primary was the very moment the Establishment said in a loud voice, "We are no longer liberal, we are no longer Democratic. Please fix us, as we can no longer fix ourselves."

Challenge accepted.

jham123

(278 posts)
16. That headline cracks me up...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

Okay, now, I'll go read the article

"They launched a coordinated pro-Hillary bandwagon campaign, foolishly thinking that Bernie’s populist message could be drowned by a flood of “respected individuals” offering glowing endorsements of Clinton or making cheap attacks against Bernie."

Again, in a year when the populace want an anti-establishment candidate, trotting out establishment personality one after the other isn't a winning tactic. If fact it is backfiring

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
34. Yeah, these endorsements aren't helping her
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

It's only solidifying the perception that she's definitely part of the establishment and status quo

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
24. And that - I'm afraid - is what will happen. Young people will give up. Older people who had hoped
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

to see a real change in this country's priorities and vision will go back to sitting out the mid-terms - and we'll just keep plodding along until there really is no middle class left - the working poor will be victims of program cuts - and general malaise will take over Democrats like me.

Of course, the political elite will be just fine . . . and really, isn't that all that matters?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. This is all being watched by many of my international friends and colleagues
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

and millions around the world.


They realize that this is truly a REVOLUTION, not just what we like to call a 'revolution.' In fact, i suspect, being on the outside, they see it even better than we do.

They understand perfectly what is going on and everyone I know outside the US is on our side. They understand that they and we are together and if WE/BERNIE can pull it off, the entire world will benefit.

USA USA USA....




pangaia

(24,324 posts)
44. In a couple other posts, I listed the countries in which I know people,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

can't find it right now....mostly artistic people,,, maybe 20 off the top of my head... from South Korea to New Zealand to Finland to Brazil to Russia to Oman.

THEY KNOW !!!

My FB page feed has several post from them every day... in 10-15 different languages....

USA USA USA

Kenjie

(122 posts)
30. The party elites are doing a lot of damage
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not sure how they expect the same old threats of the other side is worse to re energize people after they've pulled this crap.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
39. A lot depends on the repug nominee.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

If it is Trump (or Cruz) they will support Bernie to
some extent.

If it is Rubio or Kasich, they won't support Bernie
in any way.

Should he make it to the WH he will face a totally
angry Congress. I am not sure that he won't have
to make some concessions then.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
42. This:
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016
And if Bernie somehow manages to become president without agreeing to a deal, his physical safety would be at risk. It may already be at risk. The U.S. ruling class just doesn’t allow anybody to become president. There is too much money and power at stake.


Scary. Money and power have (historically) eliminated, by any means necessary, those that are willing to disrupt money and power.
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