Sometimes it's simple. I won't vote for the corrupt candidate

[Prism]

Set aside the economic issues, the social justice issues, the racial ratfucking, and everything else.

End of the day, I would just like to vote for a politician who doesn't wander around with the stink of corruption all about their person.

People keep trying to analyze Bernie's revolution. Did it ever cross anyone's mind that that is it? We're tired of voting for the corruption we are supposed to accept and deal with?

Bernie isn't corrupt really. That's why I like him. Hillary is elbow deep in the D.C. hell hole. That makes a lot of people dislike her.

Every other issue. Every. Other. Issue. Grows from that. Racial? She says a bunch, but she's accepting money from private prisons, championed welfare reform, and loves a tough on crime pro-drug war stance. LGBT? She starting hanging out with us. Eventually. When it suited her. Women? Well, she's a woman, but abortion needs to be rare, yo, because it's not entirely ok *wink wink, evangelicals!*.

Foreign policy? State department? Wall Street? Which massive fuck up should I describe?

She has made deal after deal and sacrificed every liberal cause under the sun as it suited her personal prospects in the most hilariously transparent manner.

Maybe a lot of people are just tired of that shit. Is this really super hard to understand?

[Agschmid]

1. You don't have too.

It's that easy.

[rhett o rick]

65. But think about the consequences. Many, many people won't vote for HRC because

they are sick and tired of the Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street criminals running our government. I will repeat that. If you want to win in Nov you probably should support a candidate in the primary that the People support. People that will not vote for Clinton in the general. Denial won't make it happen. She is the Big Money candidate. Try to tell me she isn't. She will not make them pay their fair share. Tell me I am wrong. People know this and will not bother in Nov if she is the candidate.

The Powers That Be want Clinton or a Republicon. How can't you understand that that isn't good. Why will you side with Goldman-Sachs/Clinton instead of the People? Do you really think that a Goldman-Sachs sponsored Admin will help the poor?

[Agschmid]

73. Rhett you are over the top as usual...

I am not siding with Goldman Sachs, the only thing I said is no one is forcing anyone to vote for anyone.

When you can have an argument without making it about me, let me know.

Otherwise I'm not interested.

[rhett o rick]

74. I do get carried away because I see first hand the damage done by this corrupt culture

that some Democrats are avoiding with closed eyes. How can people be in denial and not recognize the quid pro quo system??

Goldman-Sachs gives Clinton over a half million dollars BECAUSE THEY WANT HER FAVOR. Meanwhile we have more infants dying at ages under a year old than any other modern nation and some not-so modern nations. Hello. This is a product of the greed of our current corrupt culture of Big Money in government.

Goldman-Sachs wants more profits. They pay Clinton directly to her personal wealth. She will not ask them to help save our children, vets, seniors, etc. Her social justice proposals count on higher taxes on the middle and working classes.

50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. Allow Goldman-Sachs and the bankers to influence our president and that number will continue to grow.

[dreamnightwind]

80. I thought Rhett's post was right on. eom

[Agschmid]

81. Cool.

Glad you both are able to make such big accusations against someone you don't even know.

[dreamnightwind]

86. Those are facts, not accusations

and they are about her financing and resulting policy, not about knowing her personally. Nice try at deflection though.

[Agschmid]

87. No those weren't facts.

They were accusations against me, that you doubled down on.

It's fine, it's the usual around here.

[dreamnightwind]

89. I'll triple down

It isn't about you, you just want to make it about you. It's about the forces that are financing Hillary and for the most part both political parties, and what policies will result from their financial investments in candidates. At least that's what it's about to me. Vote however you want, I don't care, but there were some very good and important points in rhetoric's post that weren't about you, which I support.

[Agschmid]

91. It was about me...

How can't you understand that that isn't good.

The post that spawned this while subthread was in fact a post which encouraged people to vote how they wanted, on that we agree.

[Arazi]

2. Great analysis! eom

[HooptieWagon]

3. It's pretty hard to overlook the mountains of cash...

...in the Clintons personal accounts and the Foundation.

[TTUBatfan2008]

16. Or their election campaigns over the last 25 years...

We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars, but none of it matters according to her. And she has absolutely nothing to do with that Super Pac. Then her campaign calls Millenials stupid. No, we're not stupid. We see through the constant lies about the influence of corporate money.

[closeupready]

4. You're sexist because you didn't blame her husband

when he was doing it, so you can't blame her for doing the same things HE did. (i.e., she may be a crook, but since Bill was, too, it's okay... ?? )

[ladjf]

5. Which you will have a very limited number of choices. However, one is all you need.

Let me see. Which one would that be?

[senz]

6. K&R -- this should be obvious

but sadly it's not.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said, Prism!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Obviously, you suffer under the notion that your vote belongs to you.

Whereas, some here will loudly tell you that it belongs to a candidate or party.

[tk2kewl]

8. pretty simple

"Let’s not insult the intelligence of the American people. People aren’t dumb. Why in God’s name does Wall Street make huge campaign contributions? I guess just for the fun of it; they want to throw money around?"

-- Bernie Sanders 2/11/16

[SixString]

9. Great post.

Rec.

[brooklynite]

10. All of your examples are, at worst, political expediency

Waiting for the evidence of corruption.

In fact, here's the contact info for the Department of Justice. Maybe you should report her.

Correspondence to the Department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

The Department may be contacted by phone at the following:

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

[Prism]

12. Does this work in your universe?

I just ask, because you post it with such earnestness.

[Dragonfli]

15. In his universe, chicken dinners cost $2,700 a plate /nt

[erlewyne]

23. Yes, they are on a different planet.

These posts today are amazing!!! One after another supporting Bernie.
They just take the words out of my mouth. Thanks Dragonfli and
especially Prism.

My favorite movie is "The Shop Around the Corner"
and Jimmy Stewart says, "You know how to put a
man on his planet" or something to that effect.
I just think the HRC stamp is from another planet.

Same party, different planet!

[think]

34. Everyone knows that politicians have rigged the game. It's pretty blatant anymore.

[earthside]

51. Corrupt doesn't have to mean criminal.

Sneaky, crooked, dishonest, underhanded, sold-out.

[Lorien]

54. Fine. I've got a list of reason why I'll never vote for her

and you can convince me of why I shouldn't be pissed with her over them one by one:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
and so much more!!

Does anyone really think that Bernie's campaign is about a cranky Brooklyn born Jew? He's honest, he's consistent, he unites people to get *good* things done, and he's on the correct side of the issues. The problems with Hillary are too numerous to count (and none of them are in any way gender based). I honestly don't believe that she could ever win a general election because of them. Bottom line: it's the DNC's duty to back a LEFT of center candidate to represent us. It's not the voter's duty to change their positions of the issues and bend to the will of the DNC just to elect someone who is "less awful" than the opposition.


Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

&feature=youtu.be

Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.ht

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

[asuhornets]

59. And yet!!! I still can not wait to vote for her. n/t

There is nothing that Bernie has said or his supporters to make feel the Burnt. NOTHING

[Lorien]

62. And yet, you have no REASON for voting for her!

Have you even thought about that for a nanosecond, or is this just sports team mentality talking?

[asuhornets]

72. I have plenty of reasons..

for voting for Hillary. But the reasons I am not voting for Sanders: not qualified, his temperament makes him unpresidential and the list goes on and on.

[dreamnightwind]

82. That's a sad response to a substantive post

[asuhornets]

90. And you are entitled to your sad response to my post...eom

[dreamnightwind]

83. I hadn't seen that all in one place, amazing list

[JudyM]

85. Great post, Lorien. Ought to be pinned in the Bernie group :)

[Agony]

92. . . .

and your list doesn't even include her

support for the 1994 crime bill while using racially coded language to describe some kids as "super predators"

… as you said, "so much more"

there are only a few reasons why a person of this character and behavior has come to "represent" a Democratic Party and
all of them are disqualifying…

[840high]

11. Thank you. My nose is too

sore to hold anymore. Go Bernie.

[virgdem]

20. There isn't a clothes pin big enough...

to hide the stench of voting for her.

[OZi]

13. One would think the party with democrat in the name

would be against the cronyism.

I sometimes wonder if there had been more strong candidates, if it would have been as obvious.

[Dragonfli]

14. Whatever do you mean?

[hifiguy]

31. DUzy!

[Fuddnik]

17. "Fuckin' A Bubba!

[Dustlawyer]

18. +1!!! K&R!!!!!!!!!! Nailed It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are TIRED!

Tired of the lies
Tired of getting screwed
Tired of watching the corrupt get rewarded
Tired of being called names
Tired of being blamed for shit that TPTB perpetrated
Tired of endless campaigns
Tired of being propagandized on TV, radio, and print media
Tired of polluted environment

Just F'ing tired!

[AZ Progressive]

19. Dishonest, narcissistic, self serving and abusive politicians are why this country is sinking

They abuse the office for their personal gain, and sacrifice Americans and America in the process. That is unacceptable. Bernie is the type of politician that America needs, someone that truly cares about the people, that truly cares about their constituents.

[senz]

21. Add greedy and power hungry to that list.

[AZ Progressive]

22. Not only is the Democratic Party corrupt, they've been playing this "Good Cop, Bad Cop" game on us..

for a long time. They force liberals to accept corrupt centrists or center right candidates because they are the lesser of two evils. They pretend they are for something and then they get certain Democrats in safe districts to vote against a particular bill or against the supported outcome, so it looks like: "Too bad, at least we tried." They did this shit with the public option and the passage of the Fast Track bill. They play games on us just using us for the vote, pretending to be much different than the Republicans but really similar to them when it comes to support for Corporatism and the global Neoliberalism movement.

[Arugula Latte]

40. Very good point. Some of us are on to their shit.

[dreamnightwind]

84. That's it, absolutely

Done with that.

[gordyfl]

24. Follow the Money

[Scalded Nun]

25. After a while you think it is just you

So glad to see others actually take the time to post those facts that seemingly everyone should be painfully aware of.

Sometimes it is hard to know if it is just stupidity, blind loyalty or obstructive defiance. Truth-be-told, I really don't care to know any more. They are all dead to me.

Go Bernie!

[SoapBox]

26. Ditto.

Good post.

[AtomicKitten]

27. hear, hear

[hifiguy]

28. Yep. I call it the Popeye Point

"I've had all I can stands, and I CAN'T STANDS NO MORE!!!"

No more status quo, no more same old shit.

BERNIE 2016!

[Jester Messiah]

29. Couldn't be much more straightforward than that.

With you 100%.

[gordyfl]

30. "The American People Know Better"

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/09/artful-smear-attack-backfires-clinton-accused-denying-impact-big-money

[Jackilope]

32. Enough is enough. With you. eom

[Thinkingabout]

33. I know there isn't a purist candidate running, doubt there will ever be a purist running.

I also dont allow talking points to determine who I vote for or against. On foreign policy we live in a global world, knowledge of foreign policy is required. A candidate without foreign policy does not meet my requirements in a commander-in-chief.

I do not select the candidate based on non scandal delivered by the GOP. I know their end game and that is to keep Democrats out of office. I have been supporting Hillary and will continue to support her.

[gordyfl]

35. "A candidate without foreign policy does not meet my requirements in a commander-in-chief."

Was that the reason you did not vote for Obama in 2008?

[Thinkingabout]

39. I voted for Obama, foreign policy is more important today than in 2008.

He did not dance away from every question about foreign policy, he also did not have his feet in cement and when presented with facts has acted appropriately.

[gordyfl]

47. After 4 Years as Sec'y of State

Are you saying after 4 years of Hilllary as Sec'y of State and 7 years of Barrack Obama as Commander in Chief things are worse on the World stage than they were in 2008?

[hifiguy]

36. Obama had very little "foreign policy

experience". Try again.

[Thinkingabout]

43. Did Obama run away from every question on foreign policy?

If Sanders has foreign experience then he needs to deliver.

[Fronkonsteen]

41. Knowledge of foreign policy

which Hillary displayed so brilliantly with her Iraq vote, her handling of the Honduras coup, and her Iran rhetoric, to name a few. If disaster capitalism is your thing, she's your candidate.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Can you point to any answer Sanders has made on foreign policy longer than one sentence?

[questionseverything]

50. and yet his judgement has been correct

where time after time hc is wrong

[Thinkingabout]

52. Yes he has been wrong, he has voted for regime change, he wants to put that one

On Hillary but his votes are on record.

[Lorien]

55. Again. A partial list of ISSUES which make it impossible for me to vote for HRC

There may be no such thing as "political purity", but I sure as hell know a right wing authoritarian when it votes:


Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
and so much more!!

Does anyone really think that Bernie's campaign is about a cranky Brooklyn born Jew? He's honest, he's consistent, he unites people to get *good* things done, and he's on the correct side of the issues. The problems with Hillary are too numerous to count (and none of them are in any way gender based). I honestly don't believe that she could ever win a general election because of them. Bottom line: it's the DNC's duty to back a LEFT of center candidate to represent us. It's not the voter's duty to change their positions of the issues and bend to the will of the DNC just to elect someone who is "less awful" than the opposition.


Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

&feature=youtu.be

Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.ht

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

[Thinkingabout]

58. Just a few of the issues Sanders has presented prevents me from backing

Sanders. First one which comes to mind is his votes on gun issues, five times he voted against the Brady Bill, the NRA had donated $18,000 to defeat his opponent when he was elected to the House, there have been other votes he has taken responding to the gun manufactures lobbyist NRA. Too many gun violence deaths in the US, and then to vote against CDC funding to do research on gun violence.

He has been ask several questions about foreign policy, he gave a one sentence answer in the second debate and several times he went directly to his canned financial response and never attempted to answer the question, I di mot have a good feeling about his ability to respond to foreign affairs in a global world.

He has already put his Medicare for all bill, it did not get out of the committee and I don't see him pushing to improve ACA.

He wants to shut down Wall Street but then says he is going to fund college education and if he is planning to shut down Wall Street then there will not be any funds to supply the funding for free education.

[Lorien]

61. You really haven't been paying attention

Bernie has a D- record from the NRA, while Hillary receives funding from ARMS MANUFACTURERS, and she PAYS THEM BACK with government deals: http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

I'll let CBS news enlighten you on his gun legislation votes: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-hillary-clintons-claims-about-bernie-sanders-gun-record/

He has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Need more details? http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy-and-national-security/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy/

Hillary's foreign policy record is a DISASTER: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

As for getting universal health care passed; see the links I posted above. Bernie has an ARMY of new candidates running who are very well organized. If he's the nominee, his supporters will vote them in.

He sure as hell doesn't want to "shut down Wall Street" (seriously, are you just a Republican troll? That's the kind of crap I hear from low information Trump supporters). He wants to re-regulate Wall street so there won't be another recession. Do you like recessions? Bernie wants a 0.1% tax on stock transactions to fund free college tuition for quaffing students at public universities. Guess what we had in the 60s and 70s here in America: Free tuition for qualifying students at State universities! Golly gee, how did we and most of Europe manage it? It's a matter of priorities; you want to keep funding pointless wars, frack the fuck out of the planet, lock kids up for profit, ship our decent paying jobs overseas, keep college and affordable healthcare out of the grasp of most Americans, ignore climate change and biodiversity loss, allow the banks and Wall street to tank the economy again and again, blame homeowners for the mortgage crisis, and basically maintain the status quo so that all the gains go to fewer and fewer hands. We, by comparison, want this: http://feelthebern.org/

[Thinkingabout]

64. What makes it necessary to call me a troll because I have a different opinion.

If Sanders had not voted five times against the Brady Bill and against the funding for gun violence and for immunity for gun manufacturers and had a F rating from the NRA I might have a different view.

BTW, I do listen, I did not raise all the issues which I do not agree with Sanders.

[rhett o rick]

67. You will be supporting Goldman-Sachs. Tell me I am wrong. And you pretend to believe that

Goldman-Sachs cares about social justice issues. Or you think that Clinton will take millions from the wealthy and then turn on them and support the poor.

There are two sides to this class war and supporting Goldman-Sachs is the wrong choice for a real Democrat.

[fleur-de-lisa]

37. Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT

On Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sometimes it's simple. I won't vote for the corrupt candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214308

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So if anyone else but Bernie gets nominated especially Hillary Clinton you will not vote. Aren't we supposed to support the Democratic nominee here whoever it is?

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[Iggy Knorr]

46. cowards, voting to hide with no comment

[Warren Stupidity]

38. And the results are in.

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Sometimes it's simple. I won't vote for the corrupt candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214308

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So if anyone else but Bernie gets nominated especially Hillary Clinton you will not vote. Aren't we supposed to support the Democratic nominee here whoever it is?

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[99th_Monkey]

42. She really believes the electorate is stupid, and she's insulting them daily. nt

[rhett o rick]

68. It isn't personal. She believes that the wealthy know best how to rule. nm

[99th_Monkey]

69. Perhaps you are right to be charitable

rather than impugn Hill's motives.

It just comes across that way sometimes to me.

[rhett o rick]

70. Hey!! I am not charitable. I must have done a bad job of making my point.

I don't think she thinks we are stupid because I don't think she cares that much. It's my opinion that she believes that those that amass huge wealth are chosen by God or (Greenspan) and are entitled to rule the rest of us.

[99th_Monkey]

71. Ahh .. OK, I got it now

sorry it took me twice.

[rhett o rick]

77. NP. I wasn't clear. When Ms. Antonette said, "Give them some brioche."

She wasn't being mean. She, as an Aristocrat, had no real concept of what the peasants go thru. She thought she was being helpful. The same thing applies to the American Aristocracy of which the Clintons are among. They believe they are chosen to rule us peasants. Their main goal is to accumulate wealth and power. If we die in the mean time, it's not personal, it's merely collateral damage.

[gollygee]

45. She's played the game

I also love that Bernie has not played the game, although Hillary's willingness and experience in playing it still makes her have a very strong chance of winning both the primary and general election.

It's too bad. I hope things will change - and maybe now they will. I guess that's why I'm voting for Bernie. But there are people who figure that her willingness to play the game makes her a safer candidate to vote for - that it makes her more likely to win the general election.

I think either one of them will win. There are no good Republican candidates.

[LW1977]

48. That's all fine..

If Hillary wins the nomination, I'm voting blue no matter who!


Supreme Court is very important! Thom Hartman, a Bernie supporter said this!

[Iggy Knorr]

53. Yes, Loyalty Oaths for all!

We can sign them by the light of our party's burning embers.

[azmom]

49. It's the corruption stupid.

[Lorien]

63. And after looking over the replies of her followers

that last word appears to be painfully apt. I guess I've always wanted to believe that all liberals were more intelligent than conservatives. Maybe some are only *as* intelligent as the average Trump supporter. Truly a disheartening thought.

[VulgarPoet]

56. Crossposting from another thread.

I won't vote for someone I wouldn't willingly give my life for. I don't believe she understands what sending people to die for country really means, given her foreign policy record. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be a war in defense of our Constitution. If we go to war again under her, I don't believe it will be for defending our allies. And I certainly don't believe that if we go to war under her again, it won't result in either the end of the world, or the forwarding of the tired tripe about American Exceptionalism.

I raised my hand and swore an oath to protect the United States, and the Constitution. I do not believe she stands for either, and as such, I can't vote for her.

[closeupready]

57. When talking about war on camera, she chuckles -

not perhaps about the consequences, but about how the journalist is trying to "gotcha!" her, or how clever her answer is in answering the question WITHOUT answering the question, or who knows what. It's just an abstract thing to her, war.

[randome]

60. So...you're voting for Jesus?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[bigwillq]

66. K and R (nt)

[boston bean]

75. So, you won't be voting in Nov. 2016? At least a vote that means something to others

beyond your own highly held principles, which are obviously beyond reproach.

Cause Hillary will be the nominee, and who knows what corrupt POS we will have on the other side.

[Yurovsky]

76. GOP & HRC are offering more of the same...

Only Bernie has CLEARLY outlined a path that takes America in a different direction, one in which economic justice prevails over corporate greed and insider connections.

Taking millions from Wall Street is a pretty clear sign you're going to continue to allow those bastards to crush the poor & working class. Bernie's surge represents the millions of Americans who are standing up and saying NO MORE.

[still_one]

78. if Bernie is the nominee, I wonder what would happen if Clinton supporters said I won't vote for the

candidate who has supporters that bash and spam any person or organization that endorses Hillary, not to mention the throwing under the bus of major civil rights figures by some of these supporters.

That would work out real well, because obviously in the mind of some. they don't need Clinton supporters to win a GE

Sometimes it is that simple. Isn't it

[99Forever]

79. Yep. Ethics. Moral compass. Honesty. Integrity.

Bernie has and lives all of them.

Hillary Clinton never has and never will. She represents everything wrong with the Democratic Party "leadership" and the scum that infests our government.

[emsimon33]

88. With the help of her good friend DWS, Hillary gets dirtier by the minute

The tactics of the DNC are only further alienating Democrats from Hillary and solidifying our pledge not to vote for her. Between the Super Delegates, the hidden debates, the limited debates, and now opening the floodgates to dirty money in the campaign, DWS is actually Hillary's worse enemy!