Doesn't this evidence prove that Bernie is the person in the photo?

[CoffeeCat]

Look at these four pictures take by the photographer, Lyon. Clearly, they are of Bernie on the day of the sit in. Then, look at the clothes Bernie is wearing--dark chenille sweater, white shirt underneath, dark pants, shoes with tassels



Then, look at the photo in question, below; (where Sanders is standing up). This is the photo of Bernie that some are saying is not Bernie. In this photo, Bernie is wearing the same clothes--chenille sweater, white shirt, dark pants and shoes with tassels.



ALL OF THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN ON THE SAME DAY, AT THE SIT IN.

Does this prove that the photo in question--of Sanders standing--is indeed, Sanders?

[Politicalboi]

1. That guy has hair

Bernie doesn't have hair.

[Kalidurga]

5. Can't tell if serious or if that is my leg getting tugged.

[Politicalboi]

13. Just kidding

All this over pictures that have been proven to be Bernie are still being questioned.

[Kalidurga]

15. Yeah I thought so

But the people still questioning this even after being shown indisputable proof well it's really hard to tell these days.

[Yupster]

51. Yeah and he's way older

that guy in the picture looks to be in his 20's.

[Ferd Berfel]

2. The guy that took the photos says it Bernie

http://www.phaidon.com/agenda/photography/articles/2016/february/02/when-danny-lyon-met-bernie-sanders/


SHouldn't that put this to rest?

[Kalidurga]

3. Yes it is proof.

Now people touting that the photos are not Bernie can go home and sleep off what ever they were drinking.

[Dragonfli]

10. I hear a David Brock hangover is the worst, I suggest they just stay in bed after drinking his swill

[Kalidurga]

12. Yeah that is some nasty stuff.

Some people never recover from drinking it.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

93. Brock - the ultimate turncoat/opportunist

Remember Anita Hill? And the unending thrashing he gave the Clintons in the '90's? He's a right wing troglydyte all the way.

[RobertEarl]

4. No question it is

Who the hell is refuting this?

[villager]

6. Well, it turns out Lee Atwater had a lot of "Democratic" fans, after all.

Who knew?

[RobertEarl]

86. We don't allow trolls on DU

But somehow we seem to be tolerating more than a few.

[villager]

94. Apparently, the lesson of primary season is: We welcome them. nt.

[progree]

27. Skinner, for one

Bernie Sanders photo at University of Chicago. Could someone please share where this was debunked?

As far as I am aware, we have the Washington Post, Time, and the University of Chicago all saying that this is not Bernie Sanders in this photo. The most recent being Jonathan Capehart's column in the Washington Post yesterday.

I have now seen two references to this on DU which were both hidden by jury. In both cases, the alerter and jurors voted to hide the post using justifications indicating that it was debunked. In one case a link was provided which (as far as I could tell) did not actually debunk it. ...

MORE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214262

[font color = blue]>>Who the hell is refuting this?<<[/font]

[Matt_in_STL]

35. Yeah, not really impressed with that one.

I'd have expected more.

[Ned_Devine]

60. Isn't he one of the "mods" here with a Hillary logo as his avatar? Seems impartial enough

[Trajan]

101. Skinner is Mod de Luxe ...

He is the de facto founder and owner of DU

I like Skinner, in fact, I have always admired all three, (Skinner, EarlG, and Elad) ...

However, Skinner was wrong to say it doesn't matter (imho) . . It does matter ... Somebody is lying here, and then publicly attacked Bernie as a liar ...

But Bernie ISN'T lying - who ever offered up this false story lied, and yes , it matters that the truth be known

[RobertEarl]

85. No way!!

Let's hope this gets cleared up in due time.

[madfloridian]

7. Apparently not to DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214635

It's just not enough debunking.

[CoffeeCat]

11. I would love to hear their arguments. I don't understand their assertions.

The evidence is right in front of their face.

If they don't agree, I'd like to hear their rationale.

[magical thyme]

67. their assertions are that the photographer's "opinion" that he took pics of Bernie

is outweighed by some classmates' opinions that they recognize a different classmate that they last saw 50 years ago.

It's really rather pathetic, that they're giving greater credence to people's 50 year old memories of a relative stranger over the physical evidence of the photographer who was actually there and recorded the events. And, btw, also insinuating that either 1. Bernie doesn't recognize a photo of himself or 2. that Bernie is lying about a photo he claims to be himself.

Very much reminds me of rightwingers dismissing evolution as "just a theory" versus their "theory" of creationism.

[mhatrw]

32. The depths of this little episode of ratfuckery are truly unfathomable.

Sally Cook, the retired government lawyer University of Chicago alumni who contacted the University of Chicago archives to get the caption of the photo changed, conceded to Time magazine reporter Sam Frizell that she could not "say for certain the man is not Sanders."

So what made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?

Who then told Sam Frizell, Time magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this complete non-story without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

What then induced the WaPo's Jonathan Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to pick up this complete non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?

Why did corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?

[dreamnightwind]

37. Great post, thank you. eom

[mak3cats]

42. ^^ THIS!! ^^ (eom)

[mainer]

43. Yes! Exactly!

WHO is Sally Cook and why did it matter to her so many years later?

[LovingA2andMI]

78. When Will Capehart....

Mitchell-Greenspan and half of the staff at MSNBC be FIRED as a Result.

Gotta give it to CNN -- At Least They Did NOT Take the Bait on this Ratfuckery worth of BS Rumor Mill.

[Hoyt]

8. Doesn't matter to me, never did. Sanders deserves accolades for participating in the Civil Right

Movement, even if his participation was no where near the sacrifices of Lewis, King, Ruby Bridges, and hundreds/thousands more.

[CoffeeCat]

14. But it's Sander's integrity and honesty that are in question. Not his civil-rights work.

Capehart from the Washington Post insisted that people "Stop sending around this photo of Bernie Sanders."

He also said, "But that’s not Bernie Sanders in the photo. It is Bruce Rappaport."

Capehart ended his article with this, "What’s at issue is Sanders’s misleading use of a photograph to burnish already solid credentials. For a candidate who garnered 92 percent of New Hampshire Democratic voters who said the most important trait for a candidate was that he or she be “honest,” the least his campaign could do is remove that photo from its Tumblr feed and stop physically placing him where he existed only in spirit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/11/stop-sending-around-this-photo-of-bernie-sanders/

[Hoyt]

25. I'm saying it shouldn't matter whether that is him or not. He was there.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

9. Yup, without a doubt.

He's also holding a book --

[PotatoChip]

16. There is also this...

[Cheese Sandwich]

39. This seals it

especially when you add this other pic...



Same neckline, same wristwatch, same pants.

[K Gardner]

17. Yes, it is proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt. n/t

[Jackilope]

18. what this does for Hillary is take focus off of ...

... her support of Keystone XL or TPP before she was against them. No doubt, if elected, those positions will evolve again....
... her hawkish style and willingness to go to war
... her cozy relationship with Wall St. and not breaking up banks too big to fail.

Her 2008 campaigning was ugly and divisive and that leopard hasn't changed her spots. She is like Iago in Othello ... slimy, slippery, says what people want to hear if it will get her to her goal. This little incident with one of her weasels carrying water for her in planting seeds of doubt on Bernie's civil rights actions certainly carries the Clinton dirty tricks scent.

[Arugula Latte]

52. This is typical slimey Hillary bullshit.

She and her minions sink into the gutter to put this kind of crap out there because it helps her in the "right here and now." In the long run when the truth comes out and is spread around social media it just continues to erode away at her prospects by revealing the extent of her deception and desperation and it makes people distrust her more.

Her campaign is flailing, even though they should be steamrolling. She is just an awful, awful candidate.

[Enthusiast]

79. +1 a whole bunch!

[Buzz cook]

19. I'm late to this game. What's the big deal with the photo?

Is he hanging with campus radicals? Who cares? Is he hanging with socialists or commies? Who cares?

If it is from the sixties the only reason to be upset is if this is a meeting of the young republicans.

So again what's the deal?

[senz]

38. The deal is the upcoming SC primary. Hill desperately needs the AA vote.

They fear that Bernie's history supporting PoC might win him some AA voters.

[Buzz cook]

103. I've had time to look it up on my own.

Photo on Bernie's web site. Claim is it's not Bernie, so he's misrepresenting his accomplishments if the claim is true.

Not a big deal imho and I'm a Hillary supporter.

A bigger deal is why you felt the need to lie to me.

[Kenjie]

20. This is a distraction

Bernie is being swiftboated and the people behind it are hurting the party in the long run.

[redwitch]

21. My husband just showed me his notebook from the 1970's.

Husband is a photographer. His notebooks lists every roll of film he has ever shot with a description of the subject, where and when it was shot. I would imagine Danny Lyon kept records as well. He is also a fan of Danny Lyon and says if he says the man standing is Bernie, it is.

The sad thing about all of this is that it is being used to erase Bernie's record of civil rights work. I am hating this and I am feeling like the party I have belonged to for over 40 years no longer wants me and no longer represents my best interests. I am feeling devastated.

[Luminous Animal]

54. This is exactly what photographers do. The second set of photos appear to be from a contact sheet...

The written log would have provided the details of every photo on the sheet.

[jeff47]

22. No! They changed their clothes and hair between the pictures!!!

And it proves he wasn't a leader despite his claims that he wasn't a leader!
And John Lewis doesn't remember him!
And he put decaf in the regular coffee pot!
And he raised money for other Democrats!
And he never raises money for other Democrats!
And he's Jewish!
And he's not Jewish enough!

I'm so happy we now have dozens of David Brock clones on DU. It's really what the place needed.

[LovingA2andMI]

84. This^^^^^

[libtodeath]

23. Acccording to some every smear against Bernie has to have him personally answer.

I have seen some sickening things here today.

[jham123]

24. As I wrote in the other thread

This thread is lacking one thing.....

Hillary Supporters, where are they today?

[LovingA2andMI]

87. They Are Hiding...

Getting New Orders From David Brock and Will Gear Up for Battle Again Shortly....

[bigwillq]

26. That's not Bernie. It's Bermie.

[pangaia]

28. Tassels! Tassels !! MY God, Bernie wore shoes with tassels?

I can't believe it..
I love it.


The worst I ever wore were loafers with a slot for a nickel.
Well, then there were those... white bucks....

[starroute]

72. Everything you never wanted to know about loafers

[pangaia]

91. Uh, Starroute.. Thanks.. a lot.. I mean really..

That was very thoughtful and and of you..

I must apologize that I was not able to watch the entire documentary.
Please don't alert on me..

I just... well. It's like.... I was not able to watch the yellow dress very long either..


But we can still be friends..

OK?

[starroute]

95. LOL

[Donkees]

29. Bernie used the same photos in his video of the 50th anniversary of the march

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214157

[dreamnightwind]

40. Yes, I heard Capehart criticize him for this

and say he shouldn't have done so, since it wasn't Bernie. Sick stuff.

[Donkees]

41. The video is from 2013 (?) Maybe it's time for Bernie's campaign to address this

[LovingA2andMI]

88. Why Does Bernie?

Have to prove where he was -- when it is obvious as the nose on anyone's face, where he was when the picture was taken?

[Donkees]

98. Only because Bernie's spokesperson went after Brock's "mudslinging" over the America ad...

Excerpt:

"But Sanders campaign spokesperson Michael Briggs responded by slamming Brock as a liar and mudslinger.

"Bernie Sanders, as everyone knows, has one of the strongest civil rights records in Congress," Briggs said in a statement. "He doesn’t need lectures on civil rights and racial issues from David Brock, the head of a Hillary Clinton super PAC"

[LovingA2andMI]

99. So....You Are Defending The Man...

David Brock -- Ex GOP Hit Man Who Ratfucked the African-American Famed Lawyer Anita J. Hill --- for the Junk Called a Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas not less -- because Ex-GOP Hit Man David Brock now does his dirty work for the Clinton Campaign?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1217094

[Donkees]

102. I said Bernie's spokesperson should address this because mudslinging was called out before

Maybe my english isn't so clear...so I usually just post videos and don't say much.

[CoffeeCat]

96. Mother trucker (nt)

Stay classy, Capehart.

How do these people sleep at night?

[moriah]

30. There's no question Bernie was active in the Civil Rights movement.

But I also believe the following:

1) It's clear that, for whatever undoubtedly legitimate reasons the young Bernie had, he did most of his activism north of the Mason-Dixon line. He protested several different issues that were undoubtedly and rightly important to him and to his local community, and he deserves full credit for the activism he did.

2) There's no doubt that John Lewis is a hero, and his answer pointed out that he was doing work in the South, where while many brave white people came South to help, the environment was VERY different than Chicago, Illinois. I don't know if Bernie was one of those brave people too, or if the fact he himself, for whatever reasons, couldn't do that was what made him decide to do the activism where he could rather than sit out.

3) I don't think John Lewis was trying to suggest Bill or Hillary were involved down South in the 60's themselves and/or Bernie's activism wasn't worthy of praise -- we all know they weren't there. I think his "I met" statements were referring to the fact the Clintons did reach out heavily to the Congressional Black Caucus once they were on the national stage, and that he's far more familiar with their work more recently than he is with Sanders at all.

4) This line of attack is merely going to divide our electorate -- whether the attacks are against Bernie or John Lewis. We have already seen media coverage of tweets from people reacting to these comments inappropriately.

5) Even if I am a Hillary supporter, our candidates are essentially tied and we have 48 more primaries/caucuses to go. I don't want to damage anyone who might be our nominee. This isn't a subject that we should get distracted by.

[senz]

36. But who is stirring up all this "doubt" about Bernie's civil rights record?

Do you think it could have anything to do with the upcoming SC primary?

Maybe you should talk to the Clinton campaign.

[jham123]

48. Amazing how it all happened the VERY SAME DAY

This didn't percolate to the top like other issues....this hit the streets running....hrmmmm....I wonder how that happened??

Again, I'll ask, where are the Hillary supporters?? They are surprisingly absent from these topics

[BillZBubb]

66. Hogwash.

John Lewis was definitely trying to diminish Sanders' activism and boost Hillary's stature. That is exactly what he set out to do.

You need to speak to your candidate about this line of attack. This was/is a coordinated smear campaign against Sanders ahead of the SC primary. It is Swift Boating Hillary style. If the repercussions cause what you consider inappropriate responses, again talk to YOUR candidate. She's the one who OKed this line of sleaze.

[enigman]

90. It's her standard MO...

Why is history so hard for ppl? o,O

[MerryBlooms]

31. rec & kick. Yes it's him, and the photographer's records verify.

[TheFarS1de]

33. It is only verified

when our oligarch owned media says so . Don't you dare trust your own eyes and intellect . Just ask the site owner .

[senz]

34. Hill team hopes to demolish Bernie's civil rights creds in time for SC primary.

C'mon. We all know they'll do ANYTHING.

[Gman]

44. This seems so desperate to prove something

He doesn't have much of a civil rights record and you can't manufacture one to fill the holes.

[Aldo Leopold]

45. Plus the hands.

Definitely Bernie's.

[LiberalArkie]

46. Both pictures at the bottom show 2 men being confronted by some question.

The one on the left just opens his mouth lower lip sticking out with what you would expect from a kid this days saying "DUH". The boy on the right puts his lips together and more or less is biting his lower lip.





Which is which?

[ALBliberal]

47. Echoes of the right wing trying to convince us that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You

know....the incredible plot of his 18 year old mother placing the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper while she actually gave birth in Kenya? This just reminds me so much of that. We are told to not believe what is clearly in front of our eyes. We are to question Mr. Lyons who in his own right risked his own life to travel to the south and photograph the Civil Rights Movement. It's just so sad to me that it's our side resorting to these machinations. Go Bernie. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep up the good fight like you have all your life. There will never be another one like you in my lifetime.

I will not be forced to vote for the lesser of two corporate evils. Go Bernie Go.
(Hmmmm paraphrasing some words of wisdom from a fellow DUer)

[jham123]

49. Hours later

Still not a single Hillary supporter dares show face in this topic

Hello to all you Clinton supporters where are you hiding??

[Agschmid]

53. I certainly don't care about this issue...

He was involved with civil rights, I'm aware of that. I don't need a photo to tell me that...

Honestly I'm not really sure why there are so many OPs on this topic currently.

[mikehiggins]

55. You may not understand the issue. The claim is that the Sanders campaign is lying.

You must understand that. There were lots of people who didn't think Swiftboating Kerry was anything to be afraid of. He was a hero and the GOPukes tore him down.

Now Sanders has a reputation for honesty. Democrats and the media are trying to tear him down.

The man who took the photo says it was Bernie and sent out other photos that back up his claim.

The attackers STILL maintain the claim.

It isn't that he was involved in the Civil Rights Movement. It is that THEY ARE LYING and THAT just adds to the widespread suspicion of HRC and her gang.

[jham123]

58. Clinton supporters will never admit it....

It was one thing when it happened to Kerry, a whole nuther thing when it is committed by Hillary.

The hypocrisy is astounding

[Agschmid]

61. I'd prefer not to have a name assigned to me.

I'm fair, polite, and reasonable and your post is what I get for it.

[jham123]

64. sorry about that

and you are correct....

I'll edit

[Agschmid]

69. Thanks.

Either way this won't hurt Bernie in any way.

I actually think he will probably be the nominee at this point.

[jham123]

73. I came into this open minded

I never took part in any of this in the past, I'm seeing it with fresh eyes, Bernie hasn't had to "Spin" not one thing the whole election.

Every time she thinks she has him in a corner, he backs her up with Historical fact and references coupled with sane decisions as to why he acted. Then she starts slow blinking him.....

It's been like this since the first debate. He won't engage in mud slinging and sticks to HIS message.

Come over, it's inevitable that Bernie is going to win the nomination, you shouldn't pain yourself so by sticking to a candidate that just isn't right for the job. She wasn't right in 2000, 2004, 2008 and now in 2016....

[Agschmid]

77. Come over?

I've been voting for Bernie for years and helped him beat Rich in VT... I'm already "over", and will happily support the nominee in the GE.

[jham123]

80. then why

did you just spend 20 minutes acting as if you are a Hillary supporter?

I'll support the Nominee as well, but that has not been decided as of yet.

[Agschmid]

81. I am a Hillary supporter, but I'm not anti Bernie.

My point was that we aren't all really on opposite sides, we don't need to "come over".

[jham123]

82. fair enough

[jham123]

56. Meh...

An orchestrated attack by any and all comers from the Clinton attack that blows up in Her face and you answer with

"....meh"

hear what you want, see what you want, sing lalalalalala while your fingers are in your ear if you want.

[Agschmid]

59. My fingers are most certainly not in my ears.

The only place I have even seen this story reported today is on DU.

To be fair I spent a good portion of my day in Canada... But DU seems to be the only place talking about this.

This is a meh issue, Samders campaign probably isn't lying, why would they? So it's moot to me.

[jham123]

63. here we go again

"I just don't see the issue".....

You could be shown a video of Hillary clubbing a baby seal and your response would be the same.


Oh, and btw, this story is hitting critical mass, to make it sound as if it is a "DU Only" thing is laughable at best

[Agschmid]

65. What the hell? That's your response?

I don't even know why I bother on here anymore.

[jham123]

68. To be fair

You haven't bothered "yet"

[Agschmid]

71. Yah sure... Whatever.

Excuse me while I go watch Hillary club baby seals.

[jham123]

74. LOL...

Too funny

[zentrum]

50. Yes, yes, yes.

Yes it does. Even the disputed photo looks like him. Even has his body language.

This episode is ugly.

[berningman]

57. the whole purpose of this piss poor smear job

is to talk about Bernie and not talk about HRCs awful horrible unelectable REAL scandals and policies. that is all. if they can divert attention to a 50 year old photo then nobodies talking about clintons baggage. imho it wont work because ppl stopped caring about this sideshow shit when they entered the great recession.

[Donkees]

62. Same photo in this other video appears in first two minutes:

[EndElectoral]

70. Guess the photographer who took pix and said it is Bernie is lying.

[LovingA2andMI]

75. Everyone with a Brain...

Knows It Is Bernie and John Lewis Tried and COMPLETELY FAILED with Throwing Bernie Under the Bus...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280117133

[21st Century Poet]

76. Are we arguing about whether Sanders is real?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

[enigman]

83. It is Sanders

There are two separate picture issues going on.

This one is Sanders. The photographer has stated as such. The picture that is supposedly false is the "I Have A Dream" march photo claiming Sanders standing in the crowd, behind and to the right of King. Yesterday that one snopes was claiming that "there is no way to confirm it" and "probably false"... as of today it is a flat our "false", but no additional proof or standards are explained.

Either way, as we are seeing on social media lately, it is not only the tea party crowd that confuse facts and issues, and then run with a false narrative.

Peace!

[UglyGreed]

89. Of course it's him

but they need to make him look like fraud.

[MelungeonWoman]

92. What is funny about this...

The gentleman in the lighter colored sweater who is talking to Bernie in 3 of the photos in the OP appears to be the illusive Rappaport.

[CoffeeCat]

100. Is that really Rappaport?

I wondered about that.

If that is so, then this further proves that Rappaport couldn't be the man in the picture standing up. Rappaport has a light colored sweater on!! The man in question in the photo is wearing a dark sweater with a white shirt underneath and showing through the cuffs.

All of those pics were taken on the same day.

Those four photos prove/demonstrate that that the photo is Bernie and couldn't possibly be Rappaport.

[MerryBlooms]

97. kick