Obama's poll numbers take a hit in We Ask America

[TroyD]

But we have to remember:

1. We Ask America is reported to have GOP connections

2. These were taken after the debate and before the Jobs Report.

So hopefully they will rebound next week!

http://weaskamerica.com/2012/10/05/boing/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. We Ask America is very biased toward the GOP

and is not very accurate. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/26/1103275/--We-Ask-America-pollster-is-a-joke

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. Why don't you report the actual numbers in the thread

You getting kickbacks per hit or something?

[progressivebydesign]

3. Oh Troy... do you ever post HAPPY things?

it's like there is this crew of people that only seem to post the worst things they can find, no matter how many times the rest of us tell you guys that these polls you find, are GOP-leaners. "we ask america" not exactly a non-partisan or scientific poll.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. No, you don't understand...he's just a "poll junky"

He's on record! On record!

[TroyD]

7. Have you seen my threads ?

"Labor Secretary Responds to Jobs Report Truthers"

"Rasmussen: OBAMA still at (+2)!!!!"

"Good CNN headline: 'Unemployment rate tumbles' "

"WATCH LIVE: Obama campaigns at George Mason University: "

"Sheriff Cabral says she's Native American and challenges Scott Brown "

"Mitt Romney 'saved' the 2002 Olympics"

"Elizabeth Warren for MA | Radio Ad: Model Justice"


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I await an apology, please.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. I've seen your threads

And I know your game. It's not particularly original.

You'll be waiting a long ass time before I apologize for calling a spade a spade.

[TroyD]

11. You're acting as badly as the Jobs Reports Truthers

Making conspiracy attacks on loyal DU posters like me is not okay.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Oh well...

People who have to continually assert their own loyalty and have loyalty "evidence" (look at my threads) ready to hand are amusing, to say the least.

Play your game, in any case. You can fool some of the people, and etc.

Have fun, champ.

[TroyD]

15. Last time I'm going to respond to you on this thread

You badly represent DU when you attack loyal Democrats with your bizarre conspiracy theories.

I post an enormous amount of good news stories & attacks on Republicans and there is no 'game' behind it, 'champ'.

And the only reason I assorted 'loyalty' and 'evidence' is because you attacked me for no reason and LIED about my posting history just like Romney lied in the debate the other night.

Guess you didn't see all my cheering in excitement and predictions of an Obama win when the Jobs Report came out this morning, either.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Whatever, dude

I don't trust you. Bottom line. You post "good news" with little digs thrown in so you can inoculate yourself for your constant snide GOP positions. I don't give a shit how saying that "represents" anything. I see the way you post and I think it's shit. Hide behind your "I post everything" strategy all you want. So there you go. That's my position. I don't think you're above board. Period.

[DCBob]

31. +1

I have been suspicious of this dude for quite some time.

[progree]

37. -1,000,000,000,000,000

[Blue Yorker]

24. Don't worry, Troy, the happy-poll police/duo accuses me of unhappiness too

They ignore the polls we post in which Obama is ahead or trending up.

They are good people, though highly susceptible to depression and anxiety due to the ups and downs in the race.

[TroyD]

26. I don't get it, but

I won't let it discourage me.

I will continue to post constructive stories about the state of the race.

[progree]

35. "I will continue to post". Good. I hate thread-Nazis that insist we have to post only good news

and that we sit in our little insulated cocoon of only good news. Some of us believe we should get out of our little DU safe haven and engage with persuadables and righties on mixed message boards. If we're only getting comforting feel-good news here, we are going to be ill-prepared.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. As I said below

"And the attempt to portray themselves as the purveyors of truth fighting against the Commissar censors? It's as lame as it is predictable."

Calling out abuse of the community is not the same as censorship. I understand that you want to portray any critique as censorship and a "good news only" dictum. Luckily, that's not what's going on, and the real abusers know it. It's just a favorable position to allow them to argue for more abuse.

[titaniumsalute]

40. I used to work for the radio ratings company (Arbitron)

Basically it is just a polling company of who listens to what. I could almost predict what my conversations with radio station managers would be after the ratings came out. Ratings up? It was the programming genius of the Program Manager and General Manager. Of course Arbitron "got it right!" If the ratings were down...it was Arbitron's fault and the sample had serious flaws.

It was like clockwork.

I don't ever have a problem with someone on here citing polls...good or bad. I'm big boy enough to read and decide for myself if I agree with something. I don't come to DU to "feel better" of have people lead false cheerleading campaigns. I come here for information. I don't think Troy should be attacked for posting something in a public forum unless he's blatantly a troll (which I don't think he is.)

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. Well

"I don't ever have a problem with someone on here citing polls...good or bad."

Neither do I. The implication that I do is the reason I'm responding. As for blatant, we'll disagree on that.

[TroyD]

5. Pardon?

Have you been even reading my threads today? I just posted about half a dozen good news items, and even in my OP I pointed out that we shouldn't worry too much about this poll.

[DemsUnited]

10. I appreciate all your poll posts, good or bad.

Can't just ignore the ones we don't like. As Nate Silver does, we adjust them for bias, add to the aggregate & move on.

[Jennicut]

14. Troy, I have seen plenty of your posts and I know that

you post every poll under the sun, which I like.

[TroyD]

16. Well, not EVERY poll . . .

But I try to keep up with both the good & the bad like Nate Silver so that we know what's going on.

For example, on another thread which someone just started (who might get attacked like I was) it says RCP just took OHIO out of Obama's column because of the We Ask America numbers.

That was the whole point why I was giving us a heads up - it was to be prepared for the effect of this poll when it hits.

Btw, polls are only one part of my posts, as I outlined above. I'm working with Elizabeth Warren's online campaign and she's the person I most wanted to see elected after Obama so that's why I post a lot of threads about her, like the one by the MA Sheriff who calls out Scott Brown for his racial baiting.

[Jennicut]

21. I know.

From the way you were so down after the debate, there is no way you can be a troll.

Just keep giving us the info. I can be lazy and don't have to find it on the interwebs.

Elizabeth Warren will make a great Senator. I feel more comfortable about her prospects then I do Chris Murphy's. Brown and McMahon are very alike. I live in CT so I know MA well. I don't see the people there voting for Brown again, they made a mistake and many people there realize it now.

[TroyD]

22. Thanks : )

Thanks. I was so excited this morning when the Jobs Report came out. It was almost orgasmic.

That's why I posted the good news headline from CNN and all the excited emoticons.

I don't understand why we have a couple of DU "Truthers" here who think those of us who spend hours of our lives every day online reading polls, tweeting stories to supporters and trying to encourage good things about Obama and the Democrats would want to fake all of that only to insert some supposed 'negative' hidden subtext on DU. To do what? Effect the outcome of the election?

Take care. Talk to you later.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Let me tell you a few things

It looks like you're smart enough not to call out others by name, unlike your buddy there. But I'll assume since he called me out in another thread, that you're also referring to me with your weirdo "Truther" claim. As it stands, I don't give a good goddamn what you post, so long as you don't go into full whine mode if somebody calls bullshit on it. Think of DU as a big party: I have neither the power nor inclination to throw anybody out of the party, but I'll be damned if I can't look sidelong at them when they track mud on the carpet and spill drinks on the appliances for their own personal fun.

Your question here is apposite, though: why would anyone do this sort of thing? Honestly, I don't know. I wouldn't pretend to know why trolls do what they do. I have never gone to a GOP board and tried to deceive them into thinking I was one of them. I don't know why people do it, and I don't care. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves if they are fooling others. Maybe they are actually extremely anxious about their own position. Who knows? My concern is that they are being abusive of our community, and if I see it, I'm going to say something.

I've been here, under one user name or another, since July 2001. That's before 9/11. That might be hard for you to comprehend, since you've only been here - what? - six weeks? Seven? Less than sixty days? Try eleven YEARS. But no matter. The only issue is whether you understand patterns. In sixty days, you are able to discern far fewer patterns than somebody who has been here eleven years. So let me fill you in.

Every election cycle - and I've been here for all of them; 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 - some group of so-called poll junkies sets up camp between 3 and 6 months before the election. It's like clockwork. It's predictable. It's pathetic. It's happened every damn time. About half to two thirds of those people either end up ha-ha-trolled-you! on election day (if it went bad for Dems) or just fade off by November (if it went well for Dems). This is the sixth cycle. You're nothing new. They all do the exact same thing: run up 1500-3000 posts in the few weeks before the election, posting the same little snide comments behind their mask. over and over it happens. People who do it have to be the least original people on Earth. And the attempt to portray themselves as the purveyors of truth fighting against the Commissar censors? It's as lame as it is predictable.

So maybe that's you. Maybe it's not. I don't really care all that much. Same as it's ever been, really. But I don't think we'll be seeing much of TroyD after November 6, whatever happens. Feel free to prove me wrong on that.

[progree]

36. I want to see all the polls, good and bad. I want to see all the news, good and bad.

I don't want some thread-nazis telling me or Troy or anyone else what polls or economic reports or whatever we can post.

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Since nobody is doing that

Your point is completely irrelevant.

[titaniumsalute]

41. You say you don't care all that much but man you have a LONG post

I think you are being a little judgmental and mean. The guy is posting information...which is exactly why I come to DU. I appreciate everyone posting information. If I don't want to read it...I don't read it. I don't attack the poster. Come on folks. Let's get along for Christ's sakes.

[Jennicut]

6. Their splits in self described voter ID is not very accurate of the electorate

as a whole.

38/33/29 in VA R/D/I
34/32/34 in FL R/D/I

More Repubs then Dems in these polls are not accurate as a whole as even Ramussen is using a plus 3 Dem voter ID screen right now.

Ohio is 34/38/28 R/D/I and it is nearly tied in their polling (Obama a point behind).

[yellowcanine]

9. Automated Telephone poll. (like Rasmussen)

And this polling firm doesn't even have as much experience as Rasmussen which has actually gotten a little more reliable over the years (but still falls well short of conventional polling).

[JaneQPublic]

13. They include responses from kids answering the phone! (nt)

[yellowcanine]

19. exactly. Or people just messing around. An actual person can weed out most imposters

and jokesters. People play games with automated calls of any kind.

[WI_DEM]

18. Not unsurprising--snap poll right after the debate when all pundits are faulting Obama

it will rebound in a few days. Funny, Ras had an Ohio poll out today, too, and they still have Obama up by 1 there, so in reality probably 4-5.

[MjolnirTime]

20. Why didn't you just go ahead and post a linked to unskewedpolls?

[woolldog]

23. Why not post the numbers in this thread?

Instead of just posting a link. I'm on my phone and the link won't load.

[TroyD]

25. Won't load for me either. Perhaps site is overloaded

But, you can find the numbers at RCP here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Unfortunately they have already influenced the polling narrative by causing RCP to take OHIO out of Obama's column.

That's why I said in my OP to beware that this is a GOP-leaning firm.

[helpisontheway]

29. I don't understand how Ohio became a tossup

Obama was leading +8 or more in most polls in the last week or so. I thought they add that in. How could two bad polls cause it to become a tossup again! Ugh....I want it to be solid blue so they can't steal it again.

[VirginiaTarheel]

27. Why does DU hype RCP instead of Polltracker?

I find RCP has a righting bias

[FrenchieCat]

28. You got to ask the poll addicts......

I'm sure they will rationalize that they post all of the polls all of the time,
but do they really?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

30. I swear to you...

I'd never HEARD of Polltracker until just now.

That's now little traction it has here. And I agree that it's puzzling. I would give more credence to TPM that just about any other MSM organization.

[Blue Yorker]

32. Huh? This thread is not about RCP

Explain your complaint. Did the OP refer to RCP in his original post?

[Drunken Irishman]

33. If I'm to believe this...

Their poll was taken, essentially, on just one day. The debate was Wednesday, but ended late into the night, making it very difficult to get any real read on the polls. So, that means this poll was entirely conducted on Thursday (since it was released today...Friday). That makes these polls absolutely positively worthless. Never do reputable polling firms just do a day's sample because noise can manipulate the data.