Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Latino Vote

[azmom]

Plus these polices have targeted not only black people, but Latinos as well. Latino men are incarcerated at a rate two and a half times higher than their non-Latino white counterparts, and Latino men are four times more likely to be imprisoned in their lifetimes than non-Latino white men. Close to a third of all inmates in federal prisons are Latino, and Latinos are the fastest growing group of inmates in both state and federal prisons. Hopefully I needn’t explain how cutting public welfare aid negatively affects Latino communities, which suffer wealth, income and educational disparities nearly comparable to blacks.
And if Hillary’s support for such policies — at least in the past — weren’t bad enough, her policies toward Latin America and immigration further underscore why she doesn’t deserve the Latino vote. As the son of a Honduran mother, but also as someone whose generally opposed to the overthrow of democratically elected governments, I’ve written about the former State secretary’s behind-the-scenes support for Honduras’s military coup in 2009. In the Latin America section of her 2014 memoir Hard Choices, Mrs. Clinton had the gall to admit working to restore order with the coup regime in power while trying to block the return of President Manuel Zelaya, a demand made by the rest of the hemisphere. When Clinton came out in favor of increasing security aid to Central America, an initiative dubbed “Plan Central America,” after the earlier Plan Colombia which pacified that country through the violation of human rights, I asked:
- See more at: http://www.latinorebels.com/2016/02/11/why-hillary-clinton-doesnt-deserve-the-latino-vote2/#sthash.UGI7UIpa.dpuf

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Are you Latino?

If not, why would you assume to agree or not agree with such a statement?

Why would you even talk about it?

If you are Latino, then I am very interested in your opinion about who does and does not deserve your vote.

[azmom]

2. Wow.... I'm a latina

You got any other questions?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. Yes, I said I did, didnt I? I was making a point as there is another

thread where people are told why black voters shouldnt vote for Clinton so I asked that person the same thing.

The info in the post I assume was written by someone else as there is a link there.

As an American Latino, if Hillary is the nominee and not Bernie, do you agree that with all of her baggage, and she has it for sure, it is still a no brainer that you would vote for her or not?

Is assuming you would wrong on my part?

[jeff47]

4. Whooooooooooosh (nt)

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. Does this mean you are also a Latino and would like to weigh in?

Maybe you are black and would like to weigh in on the other thread?

[jeff47]

8. Put away the shovel. Your hole is deep enough. (nt)

[Jackie Wilson Said]

10. So neither, I see.

When will white people tire of lecturing non white people?

Seems like never.

[pinebox]

11. Nice racist comment

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. Please point to the racist comment, right now please

Or were you one of those white people who think white people can be victims of racism in America?

[pinebox]

15. You're still doing it

You aren't going to last long here.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

19. Really? So you do think white people can be victims of racism in America?

SERIOUSLY?

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. I don't see the racism either, but you're definitely on someone's radar. Just FYI.

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So neither, I see.
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[Jackie Wilson Said]

25. I am sure a certain poster here has alerted on several of my posts, especially those

where I question how ANYONE could think white people in America can be victims of racism.

Laughable is what that is.

Thanks for the heads up, I was certain this was happening.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. It's why I don't participate in this group.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

28. I think I will follow your lead.

[jeff47]

13. Really? You post a racially-charged attack

on someone who did not even write the words in question. Then you move on to yet another loyalty oath, ignoring the obvious offense that you have caused to another poster.

And here you go, continuing to attack.

The time to back off was before you posted your first reply. You really should have realized you were being an ass in your second.

But march on, my friend. Your Latino outreach program is really good. It's TOTALLY going net Clinton the votes you want.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. Racially charged my ass. Like the other thread where someone was telling

black people who deserves their vote and who doesnt, I wanted to know if this person was a Latino making the same statement or not.

And then I said if she was I DID want to hear more about it.

But if she was just another white person lecturing non white folks, I wouldnt be interested at all.

[jeff47]

18. If you ACTUALLY wanted to know that, you'd look at the author of the article.

You didn't. You went after the poster quoting the article. Hoping that she wasn't a Latina, so you could go on the rant you are currently attempting to go on. "AH HA! You are telling Latinos what to think when you aren't one!!!" despite the fact that the OP didn't write the article.

(Never mind that Hector Luis Alamo at Latino Rebels might be a clue of the author's ethnicity)

But hey, team Clinton knows you NEVER retreat!! So you need something.....I know!!! Loyalty oath! Again, directed at the person who did not write the article.

Sometimes, it's a good idea to cut your losses. This is one of those times.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

20. And you still cant admit how BAD and WRONG and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE it is for

WHITE people to tell any non white people how to vote, can you?

I even have one person here telling me white people are victims of racism.

Dear god

[jeff47]

22. Ok, apparently you need someone to lead you through this, step by step.

1) Who wrote the article?
Hector Luis Alamo. At a site called Latino Rebels.

2) Is he a Latino?
Well, his name sure sounds like it. And the fucking site is called Latino Rebels.

3) Is he the one telling Latinos "how to vote"?
Why, yes. He is.

4) Does that mean posters on DU pointing this out to me are white people telling anyone how to vote?
Why, no. It's not the same at all. Instead, they're pointing out how you are attacking DUers for an article they did not write, and for doing something they are not doing.

5) Am I going to continue to rage against other people, in order to try to cover for my really, really obvious mistake?
We'll see shortly.

[beam me up scottie]

35. ^^^THIS^^^

[pinebox]

16. And again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511216631#post12

[Jackie Wilson Said]

21. So you are still insisting white people can be victims of racism in America?

[pinebox]

24. Do you think they can't?

You should try talking with my girlfriend who lives on the border in Brownsville, Texas where she is constantly made fun of on a daily basis due to the color of her skin. All the fucking time. She's blonde no less. Racism is disgusting and it comes in many forms.
That being said, it would be best if you chilled and from here on out, you are on my permanent ignore list.

Nobody has time for your hate here.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. Oh my god, I did not read what you just posted on a liberal message board, did I?

[earthshine]

31. You are nothing but a troll.

Earlier on, you said you would leave. Be a person of your word!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

33. Ahh yes, the troll is the one questioning someone claiming white people can be victims of

racism.

Upside down world we have here.

NO, white people in America can NOT be victims of racism.

Sorry.

[artislife]

37. Question to you: Are you Latino/a?

Or are you another h supporter just using a tactic?


I am Latina/Native American and Irish to be transparent. I have a late brother who was stopped for a "traffic violation" in Texas and held for a week without being charged.

[artislife]

34. I am Latina and I will not vote for that woman in March and quite possibly, never.

I will caucus for Bernie in March. The Clintons buried the hope of me voting for her in 2008 when they dog whistled during the Super Tuesday. Sure, she was not targeting Latinos exactly, but how you do one thing is how you do everything. This was a supremacy move and still expects our devotion because it isn't "as bad" as the overt racism on the other side. H was been on board with killing lots of brown people scattered across this globe. Most of the hatred in this country against brown people don't really care if one is Mexican, Muslim, Indian or Honduran. There is a crazy youtube video of a woman going off on two Brazilian men because she thinks they are ISIS.

The OP writer is Latina. She has been a proud and constant poster on this site. You seem to have wanted to come here just to squash any conversation. I ask you this. If I am not a teacher, am I discouraged from posting any thoughts teachers may have on the primaries? Or is it just race?

[azmom]

36. Thank you artislife. I am not a natural

Born citizen. I was born in Mexico and I worked very hard to earn my american citizenship and my right to vote. I therefore, refuse to answer to any loyalty oath.

It is my vote and my vote alone. I earned it.

[artislife]

38. You matter. YOU are enough.

I don't have hoops for you to jump through before I listen.
I do understand what you are conveying, that you came by choice, you are present to being a US citizen and all that you embraced.

But don't let a--holes on the internet make you prove your worth. You don't need to.



Everyone here and around the globe is affected by our presidential choice. Everyone here in the US whether they are on a day trip or born and bred is affected by racism.

Love your voice, keep it coming!!

[azmom]

41. Erika Andiola from Bernie's staff just

Posted this. I'm sending it to my daughter. I thought you would like it too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/prisca-dorcas-mojica-rodriguez/dear-woke-brown-girl_b_9209662.html

[artislife]

43. Love this!

Wanted an image to go along with this so others will see this and read it.

Thank you azmom for linking this, it is beautiful.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/prisca-dorcas-mojica-rodriguez/dear-woke-brown-girl_b_9209662.html

Dear Woke Brown Girl
You are eternal. You are neither here nor there, but everywhere. You carry the hood in your veins and academia in your heart. You have not forgotten where you come from, but have learned and earned your way into spaces not meant for you. Spaces that are uninviting to your kind. You are poderosa like that. Your vocabulary is vast and your wit is sharp. You are unstoppable.

You feel everything and feel nothing. You carry loads of pain for the displacement you've felt due to your need to question everything. But have had to accept living that confused and living that awake because once you've heard your chains rattle, you cannot unhear them. You do this for you, but you also do this for your mami and your papi and your little hermanita who does not seem to understand herself outside the boxes that our cultura has placed her in.

[amborin]

5. she absolutely doesn't, for this & many reasons; she speaks of immigrants in a very derogatory way:

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. That is also going through me feed

[mhatrw]

9. mala abuela nt

[azmom]

17. Muy mala.

[cascadiance]

29. Latinos should ask why someone who's "better" on immigration voted for the Secure Fence Act earlier.

... which was clearly more of a Republican supported bill to try and keep those trying to come in over the border out the way Republicans want it.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/wall-o04.html

Sanders voted against this bill.

[azmom]

32. She not only voted for this bill.

She bragged about it back in November at a New Hampshire town hall. She bragged about keeping the "illegal immigrants"out.

Shame on her.

[Gothmog]

30. In 2008 in Texas, Hillary Clinton was strongly supported by the Latino community

We will see what happens this time but many Latino leaders remember that she was in the Rio Grande Valley early in her career to register voters. These leaders have a very long memory

[malokvale77]

39. From the Latino Rebels site mentioned in the OP...

Here's a quote about what they think about her summer registration drive:

This was in 1972. 1972, people. That’s 43 years ago. It was for the George McGovern campaign, and she did it with her husband Bill. This point is just plain irrelevant.

http://www.latinorebels.com/2015/10/17/hillary-clintons-latest-hispandering-is-just-plain-insulting/

[Gothmog]

40. Hillary Clinton won the Texas primary in 2008 based largely on Latino vote

I ran my precinct caucus and was at the county and state conventions. There was strong Latino support for Clinton in 2008

[malokvale77]

42. 2008?

I don't believe Bernie Sanders was running against Hillary in 2008.

[Gothmog]

44. Clinton got the latino vote against Barack Obama

Given that Sanders is not close to being as popular as Barack Obama, this should hold this cycle