Hillary Would Lose the GE in a LANDSLIDE and Bring down the Entire Democratic Party

[amborin]

Why Hillary Clinton Spells Democratic Party Defeat

by Gerald Sussman


....Wall Street’s and the Democratic Party’s old guard preference, Hillary Clinton has high negative ratings both nationally as well as within the party itself.

She rates 51% “unfavorable” nationally as of February 7, 2016, worse than the 32% negative opinion registered in September 2011 and the 45% registered a year ago.

CBS News found last October that 14% of Democratic voters declared they wouldn’t vote for her, with another 27% expressing strong “reservations” about her....

In other words, her bid to seek the highest office in the land has only increased the public’s dislike for her over time.

She registers particularly strong distaste among voters in key swing states, such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa, that the Democratic Party has to win secure a presidential victory.

The key attribute attached to her that attracts so much negative attention is her lack of “honesty” and “trustworthiness.”

If she were to be the Democratic nominee, through the stealing of the nomination by loyalist super-delegates or by other means, the Republicans would launch a fury of attack ads reminding the public of her past lies and questionable official behavior.

They will retell her fabrication about having to flee sniper fire at a Bosnian airport in 1996 as first lady, her shady Whitewater business deals while first lady in the Arkansas governor’s mansion, the remarkable claim that she and Bill were “dead broke” when they left the White House (their now net worth is $111 million), her use of a private email account for highly classified documents while secretary of state, presumably to discard those deemed embarrassing, her mishandling of the Benghazi assault on the US embassy, killing the ambassador, her Wall St. connections and huge speaker fees from financial houses, lies she told about her family tree and her own first name honoring the first man, together with his Sherpa guide, to scale Mt. Everest, unfortunately having been born 6 years before the feat, and other fibs, misdeeds, and issue flip-flops while in public office– enough to boost the Republican nominee and discourage Democrats from voting.

It is obvious that Bernie’s powerful popular showing in Iowa and New Hampshire, with record turnouts, is the result of a groundswell of new voters that he has brought into the party....

..... There’s good reason to think his (Bernie's) strong showing so far will continue into the upcoming primaries and caucuses – and into the November election.

A big turnout will likely sweep many Democrats into office, including the swing states noted above, and re-balance both houses in the Democrats’ favor.....

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[HooptieWagon]

1. Article is correct, except...

...that even with Bernie atop the ticket recapturing the House is a remote possibility this election. Senate, yes.

[Betty Karlson]

47. Depends on Bernie's coattails.

He would pull Louisiana in play; maybe even Georgia. We'd definitely flip a few seats in NC...

[daleanime]

51. But we would make progress....

[rhett o rick]

2. It's my opinion that the Clinton supporters and the DNC are worried more about letting

a progressive into the general than losing it. Remember that Goldman-Sachs said that he didn't care if it was Clinton or a Republicon. In other words he and the Oligarchy just don't want Sanders to win.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Yeah I think so. The Wall St. wing of the Democratic Party can't allow Bernie

He's to big a threat.

Even if it means they lose the GE to Trump.

[senz]

9. True, Hillary and the GOP serve the same financial and military interests

while Bernie represents the people's interests.

I wonder if anyone is dense enough to beleive that even though Hillary interacts politically, economically and socially solely with the 1%, she will somehow remember the people if she makes it to the presidency?

I guess those would be the ones who know nothing whatsoever about her but what she says during a primary election.

[kristopher]

14. +1

[newthinking]

18. A lot of money is made by keeping the status quo

Imagine if politicians could no longer use the fear of "the other side" but actually had to prove they work for the people? How is there Millions$$$ in that?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Goldman Sachs has got the Beltway thinking they're the only ones qualified to run the Treasury.

[rhett o rick]

23. If Clinton became president I'd hate to think who'd "run the Treasury." nm

[farleftlib]

22. You got that right

We effectively have one-party rule and they both serve the same master. Bernie is not playing their game by their rules and he must be stopped.

[CharlotteVale]

27. I share your opinion.

[yourout]

28. Exactly.....Bernie is the only one that scares them. Everyone else in on the Payroll.

[grasswire]

30. good point

This election isn't about Dem v. GOP.

It is about the will of the people v. the establishment.

And that is pretty freaking amazing!!!

[zentrum]

35. That's what I think too.

He's more an "enemy" to them than they see the Repugs as being.

This is s a rift in the party that's been brewing since at least DLC days. And she is the personification of the DLC. Whose real constituency is the Wall Street Class.

Some say it started under Carter, though he at least, had an actual set of values.

[emsimon33]

39. This has been my suspicion, too

[amborin]

49. mine, as well

[hifiguy]

52. This is it. The Money Party is terrified of

Bernie because they own all the other Major Players and he can NOT be bought.

[monicaangela]

55. I believe the CEO's of Goldman Sachs believe

it doesn't make a difference between Hillary Clinton and any of the Republicans, I think they believe they will have them under control. I don't believe they are that sure about Bernie Sanders.

[rhett o rick]

63. I don't completely agree. I think the Oligarchy prefers Clinton over most of the

wacko, loose cannon Republicons, but would be ok with either Clinton or Bush. In fact Mr. Goldman-Sachs even said as much.

[monicaangela]

64. You are probably correct

It's terrible that at this time in our history we have to yet again experience the politics of the 20's and 30's. When will the people of this nation realize "Money is the root of all evil" and if you allow the top 1% to accumulate as much as they have, that is what you are going to get, evil on a grand scale.

[rhett o rick]

65. Many have been brought up to equate wealth with success. I also believe that some also

worship the wealthy because they secretly wish to be wealthy.

The other thing of course is authoritarianism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

[monicaangela]

70. I absolutely love your expertise

when it comes to this site. Thanks for linking me to that article, very interesting. I believe the author is partially correct, I don't think it is always bullying that gets the authoritarian the respect or following he desires. I believe sometimes it is because those that have the opportunity to get the better education can always find ways that appear to be rational in order to control those that may be less educated or less interested in what is happening around him/her. I guess it's like the case of the boiling frog. The boiling frog is an anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. This is how many authoritarians accomplish their feats, at least that is what I believe.

[rhett o rick]

71. Thanks. And I agree. nm

[closeupready]

67. Absolutely.

[MisterP]

3. well, DWS's brilliant leadership has "turned" 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats

this would just be the culmination

[rhett o rick]

7. She is doing the bidding of the Power That Be and they will reward her. They'd like to see Clinton

more that an idiot Republcon but they'd settle for a Republicon over Sanders. DWS's assignment was to Swift Boat Sanders.

[hoosierlib]

5. Bingo!

Add a criminal referral or indictment for her emails in August or September and its a landslide for the GOP...

But according to Camp Weathervane, there's nothing to be concerned about...

[6chars]

10. that's a hypothetical

a criminal indictment would hert Bernie too if he got one.

[TBF]

13. But who is more likely to get one at this point -

Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton? AFAIK they are not investigating Bernie's emails.

[7962]

16. Yes, all of the investigations into Sander's wrongdoing is troubling.

Wait, there arent any

[Empowerer]

24. Just wait . . .

The minute they start to see him as a threat, the investigations will start . . .

[SwampG8r]

45. I doubt they could be any more effective than what hillaries.been doing

All she has been able.to.do is make herself look like gilligan in a.pantsuit.

[amborin]

61. LOL

[Vincardog]

53. What criminal indictment do you see in the offing for Bernie? Proceed

[6chars]

59. if we are talking hypotheticals, could be anything

i suppose hillary could be indicted for grand theft auto too, since we're talking hypotheticals

[Vincardog]

60. I believe the FBI has a current criminal investigation into HRC, do they one for Bernie? NO not hypo

[7962]

62. Which she has continued to deny is happening. nt

[brush]

54. But why would they indict her if they want her win?

Come on!

[hoosierlib]

56. As I previously stated...

The criminal referral or indictment would come in August September...after she hypothetically has secured the nomination and after the Democratic convention

[brush]

58. Ok, but wasn't the gist of this thread that Hillary is preferred by TPTB even over a repug . . .

because she is one of them and not crazy like the clown car crowd?

[global1]

6. If That Happens - A Lot Of The Blame Has To Be....

shouldered by the Senators & Congressmen/women that endorsed Hillary.

[Dems to Win]

8. Agreed. What were they thinking?

20 million dollars in speaking fees since Hillary left State Dept

This is not a scandal made up by the Republicans. She cashed in, big time, on her public service, and now wants our votes. Not even mentioning the ways Bill has cashed in. It's sleazy, greedy, and out of touch. No way can she win a general election.

The democratic leaders who've all lined up behind Hillary, without even considering that all the millions she's received might make voters resentful and distrustful of her, are so tone deaf and detached from the struggles of ordinary Americans that it's astounding.

[closeupready]

68. Hillary never struck me as the most intelligent woman; the stupidity of taking those

fees from unpopular Big Money interests underscored that fact for me. She's just not the smartest person out there.

[doxyluv13]

11. GOP sh-t the bed. I think Hillary would probably still win.

Unless she's indicted.

[retrowire]

12. It's the truth.

These statistics matter.

[lastone]

15. Highest negatives

Overall in the country, not likely - definitely guaranteed to bring out people who can NOT stand her. We lose unless we nominate Bernie Sanders!

[7962]

17. Trump has higher negatives than she does. Not a Hillary endorsement. nt

[Orangepeel]

19. I think this argument is silly on both sides

Both Clinton and Sanders might lose. But whichever one wins is the best option we have. If a candidate loses, the person who couldn't get enough voters out to beat 'em in a primary wouldn't have fared any better.

[quantumjunkie]

21. K&R

[Fuddnik]

25. She's going to destroy the party before the election.

Her scorched earth campaign will end in a huge tantrum that kills it.

[gollygee]

26. I think either of them would win pretty easily

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But only because there are horrible Republican candidates. I think either would have trouble against less horrible Republican candidates, but for different reasons.

[randome]

29. But isn't that what you want?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[orpupilofnature57]

31. Bernie could have convert votes, it's an art form among Republicans to hate Hillary .

[mountain grammy]

32. The DNC has been a miserable failure under DWS,

with Republican congresspeople running unopposed. There are 4 in California alone. Where is the DNC?

[Nitram]

33. Blah I blah hate blah Hillary blah Clinton blah blah blah.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

[Ed Suspicious]

34. This shit isn't funny anymore. The DNC needs to give Bernie a long hard look and figure out he's

the ticket to the White House. She really is going to sink the whole mess.

[Fuddnik]

36. Debbie Weaselman-Schlitz could care less.

She's concerned with feathering her own nest, and doesn't give a damn about anything else.

[azmom]

37. [phone]

[marlakay]

38. They seem willing to sink the ship

And hand over pres to republicans if we don't elect Hillary.

Honestly I really believe that.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. DWS is too busy chatting on the phone with sheldon adelson about stopping medical marijuana reform

she can't be bothered with your "grassroots nonsense"

[brooklynite]

40. Counterpunch...

...ever so slightly biased?

[brooklynite]

41. So, good news for THE REVOLUTION (™)?

Wipe out that messy old Democratic Party and build one of your dreams?

[Gothmog]

42. Open an irish brokerage account and make some money on this prediction

You can make some good money on this prediction http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination

[Lordquinton]

44. I've read that Bernie wouldn't survive the Republicans in the General

But from what I've seen Hillary has been running like she is in the GE already, exhausting all the angles against Bernie, and he's coming out ahead. Clinton, on the other hand, has been getting soft balls from Sanders, the worst that's hit her has been her own attacks backfiring. She can hardly keep up with a 74 year old socialist with no PAC support, she is toast in the GE.

[olderthandirt]

46. Hated Hillary

The most hated politician will never become president. We already had her as co-president for 8 years. It would be like electing george bushes wife . How disgusting is that?
The days of criminal politicians are over the people have finally woken up thanks to leadership of BERNIE

[jcgoldie]

69. Comparing Hillary Clinton to Laura Bush is ridiculous

Just sexism and ignorance. Which pretty much accounts for 80% of the "hatred" for Hillary that you both remark upon and participate in.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

48. strong distaste among voters in key swing states

The swing states are all that matter

[Beartracks]

50. Honestly, that's my biggest fear.

I would expect that Hillary on the ballot will absolutely galvanize Republicans to vote en masse against her, even if they have to hold their nose and vote for Cruz or Rubio or Trump. Every Republican would crawl over molten glass and rusty nails to make sure she does not get into office, and a large percentage of Democrats seem to be pretty meh about her. Thus, especially with limited crossover and indepentent appeal.... we get a Republican President. Basically, I fear that Hillary on the ballot will mean more Republican votes, fewer Democratic votes. Period.

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[Ferd Berfel]

57. True, AND

The Party leadership, DWS, Hillary, Bill...none of them give a rats ass. They would even put up l(Presidential) loosers like KErry, Biden, BLoomberg to kill the party rather than see Bernie win it.

[Vinca]

66. Republicans are currently saying very little about Hillary's negatives.

That's because they're saving it up for the general. It will be like a nuclear blast. By the time they're done with her the public will be wondering why she isn't in jail. Bernie would be attacked, too, but nothing like the scope of a Hillary attack.

[TheFarS1de]

72. K&R