Bernie has been in Congress for DECADES. Where was the "revolution" in all those years?????

[RBInMaine]

He had PLENTY of time to start and build a meaningful national movement for the last two decades. Where was it? Why only now?

Is he really building a true movement akin to the women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, workers rights movement, etc.? Where is the movement infrastructure and apparatus to make sure that if he is elected it will actually be there to do something? It is one thing to talk the talk. It is another to walk the walk.

[bravenak]

1. Very interesting point

I'd like to see some evidence that he can manage a revolution

[SoLeftIAmRight]

33. This has been the topic of scholarly discourse for years.

The pieces have come together at this time.

Reading can be your friend.

[bravenak]

40. Evidence that HE can MANAGE a REVOLUTION

[SoLeftIAmRight]

43. This has been the topic of scholarly discourse for years.

reading can be your friend - really - try it!

[bravenak]

44. Not with HIM at the HELM

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. This has been the topic of scholarly discourse for years.

Really - there is lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and
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[bravenak]

47. But none of it included him

I was talking about HIS ABILITIES. I go to school do not need another professor. They love my lectures.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

49. This has been the topic of scholarly discourse for years.

seek and you will find

[bravenak]

53. No about him though

[SoLeftIAmRight]

55. You seem to be having trouble - start with this

search - characteristics of a revolutionary leader

50,000,000 hits

Find the common elements

When you have worked on that a while call me up - then we will move to step two.

OK?

[bravenak]

57. I have no evidence it applies to him

[SoLeftIAmRight]

60. Your at most 4 minutes of research is not impressive.

It seems that you might need much more help. Would you like me to help you?

[bravenak]

61. I need nothing from you

I am reminded of the Peter Principle

[SoLeftIAmRight]

63. Is this how you face learning new information?

I am very willing to walk you through some of the basics.

[bravenak]

64. You should just stop now

[SoLeftIAmRight]

67. You asked a very good question. I would love to help you find a very good answer.

It is really not that difficult.

Come on let"s explore - right here - together - and show those interested DUers what we can find out about revolutionary leaders and how that relates to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

We could be very helpful to some people.

Please Please Please

[SoLeftIAmRight]

68. Hello - are you still there?

I will be waiting...

[dchill]

76. +1,000,000

You are so very patient, and boy, can you stay on message! Kudos!

[AgingAmerican]

81. ^^

[SoLeftIAmRight]

85. You have had 24 hours - find anything?

I am still waiting.

Where are you?

[sheshe2]

46. We are simply women, bravenak.......

we managed a fucking revolution!

Great video!

[bravenak]

48. Damn straight, we get it DONE!!!

[beam me up scottie]

2. Offs.

[virtualobserver]

4. He should have started it back in 1962, after he got arrested

he still had hair and nice sweaters then

[beam me up scottie]

10. Even better, as a baby!

[kstewart33]

29. LOL! nt

[beam me up scottie]

51. Aw, thanks! Right back atcha!

[polly7]

56. !!!

[workinclasszero]

3. The same place is is now

Where was Bernie and the revolution when occupy was active?

[Hissyspit]

19. Here:

http://www.thenation.com/article/politics-occupy-wall-street-bernie-sanders-progressives-big-unions-endorse-obamas-silent/

The Politics of Occupy Wall Street: Bernie Sanders, Progressives, Big Unions Endorse; Obama’s Silent

By John Nichols
OCTOBER 5, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street movement’s political breakthrough came Wednesday, as leaders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus joined Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, in endorsing the burgeoning national challenge to corporate greed and corrupt politics.

On a day that saw thousands of union members, community activists and supporters of New York’s Working Families Party rallied in solidarity with the New York protests, Congressman John Larson, the Connecticut Democrat who is the fourth-ranking member of the party’s House Caucus announced that, “The silent masses aren’t so silent anymore.”

- snip -

Similar signals came from key members of Congress.

Not surprisingly, it was Sanders who offered the most full-throated support of the movement. At the Campaign for America’s Future “Take Back America” conference, he declared: “We have the crooks on Wall Street, and I use that word advisedly—don’t misquote me, the word is ‘crooks’—whose greed, whose recklessness, whose illegal behavior caused this terrible recession with so much suffering. We believe in this country; we love this country; and we will be damned if we’re going to see a handful of robber barons control the future of this country.”

Remarkably, considering the caution of so many elected officials with regard to the protests, Sanders actually called for a toughening of the movement’s anti–Wall Street message. “I applaud those protesters who are out there, who are focusing attention on Wall Street, but what we’ve got to do is put meat on that bone,” he said. “We’ve got to make demands on Wall Street and break those institutions up.”

MORE

[roguevalley]

69. Love it, Hissyspit. I love the smell of (their) fail in the morning. :D

[Sheepshank]

5. I think he always knew he had no hope of implementing any revolution as an Indie

He had to swallow his pride regarding all of the crap he spouted about the Dems and ask them to run as a Dem. He needed millions of dollars worth of data (even before his campaign stole Hillary's data), he needed the advertising dollars and debate forum to get some recognition. Temporarily setting his hatred for Dems aside, riding on the Dem coat tails finally gave him the impetus to fire up his talk of revolution.

[Paulie]

59. He learned that way back in 1988

Saw it first hand and at the time didn't agree with it.

[libdem4life]

6. Senators don't start "revolutions"...they make laws. Didn't notice any earthquakes from HRCs

years there either, as an aside.

And no matter what he's building, pretty sure you wouldn't know about it or recognize it. You don't get to do Presidential/national things until you are, sigh, the President. Ask Obama.

[kstewart33]

36. Congress made Obamacare reality.

Obama led it but Congress did it.

Bernie - 25 years in Congress, primary sponsor of 3 successful bills. Two each named a post office in Vermont.

Bernie needs to show some leadership skills. If he did, his chances of election would improve enormously.

[libdem4life]

39. Thank you for sharing. Obama was President...just a tad different from a Candidate.

Start talking up your candidate. This tearing down the other is getting OLD and BORING. Why isn't Bernie fixing climate change? I mean, he's in Congress and all. Duh.

[roguevalley]

70. HRC named the post offices. Thanks. :D

[angstlessk]

13. We need you!

Don't ignore those who will diss our candidate...take up the fight!

[frylock]

21. These are comedy gold!

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. I can't think of anything so sweet smelling as your desperation.

[angstlessk]

9. What did Hillary do as a Senator?

What can any Senator do? He has walked the walk as a young man...how many days did Hillary spend in jail for her beliefs?

[Empowerer]

16. Hillary's not raging at the machine and pledging revolution, so the deflection is pointless

[angstlessk]

22. Honey...I will take revolution when I can get it

Not the reight wing type, but the 99% YEAH!

[jillan]

11. I know it's cold in Maine but I really think it may be healthy to get some fresh air.

[Fearless]

12. So RBInMaine says something, bravenak and workingclasszero

Hop in to agree.

No one else really gives a shit and Hillary continues to lose votes.

[enigmatic]

14. One of the best things I ever did for my health was stop drinking coffee after 1pm

It made me too excitable and prone to jitters.

Once I switched to ice water it made me feel much better, and healthier.

[Bonobo]

15. Wait, you think a Senator from Vermont has the potential to do something like that? nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. What, on EARTH, are you talking about? He's not building *anything*. WE are.

>>>>Is he really building a true movement akin to the women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, workers rights movement, etc.? Where is the movement infrastructure and apparatus to make sure that if he is elected it will actually be there to do something?>>>

Huh?

You don't get it.

You won't get it.

[angstlessk]

24. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH...WE are doing it...we just need someone

who has power to empower us ALL

[treestar]

65. Then you don't need Bernie

Why do you need Bernie to be President ?

[frylock]

18. Two revolution threads from you in one night?

My goodness! It does appear that talking points have been issued.

Can Bernie Sanders' revolution coalition force the Senate to confirm a Supreme Court nominee?

OK Bernie supporters, here are TWO juicy chances to take the revolution for a test drive right now.

You say you want a "revolution?" Let's start now!

Where is Bernie's Revolution?

[kstewart33]

66. Given his Congressional record, demonstrated leadership would help.

If the issue has to be raised with 4 threads, so bet it.

[frylock]

71. Given the Clinton campaign's disclosure that they would be issuing talking points..

to her supporters to disseminate on social media, the issue had to be raised with no less than five threads, so bet it.

[AgingAmerican]

20. The Democratic party didn't go hard right until 2009

Do the math yourself.

[Lorien]

23. No, it went to the Right in 1992

when the DLC made it their mission to destroy liberalism from within the party.

[AgingAmerican]

37. It became decidedly corporate when Citizens United ruling was decided

The party became pigs feeding at the trough.

[Luminous Animal]

25. Sometimes the time is ripe. The Civil rights movement started to gain momentum in the 40s. Labor

in the mid 1930s. The women;s movement mid 1950s.

All of those movements were percolating for decades before erupting.

At some point "Enough is enough"

[superkona]

26. apparently the stars

needed to align...

what does it matter? it's happening now. sit back and watch or get on the love train.

if hillary was 'effective' and could 'get stuff done' she would have been able to win the last time around. hillary had every advantage in 2008 and still came up short. sorry, but she never was a good candidate. this year, people want authenticity, something she's apparently incapable of. the closest i've seen her to being 'real' was barking like a dog... i'm willing to bet she practiced the barking and joke leading up to it, more than once.

[Katashi_itto]

27. Alright!The Meme of the Hour!

[thereismore]

28. Being stifled by the two parties in collusion. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

73. Without a doubt!

[WiffenPoof]

30. I Think This Is....

...one of those cases where if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.

[Lorien]

32. Indeed. It's from the GOP playbook

rule #289: willful obtuseness.

[Lorien]

31. Members of congress fight for their districts

and Bernie did a fantastic job for his, which is why they kept voting him into office. Unlike Hillary, he never had his eye on the Presidency. But he HAD to run because no other liberal would try, and the DLC's right wing policies are destroying working families and the planet. He's running for us, while Clinton is only running for herself. Their records prove the difference between their respective effectiveness in office: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

[polly7]

34. Revolution!

[pacalo]

35. He ran when he decided to run.

[kstewart33]

38. Wow, that is a weird dog. nt

[pacalo]

42. I finally found the use for it.

Thank you so much!

[beam me up scottie]

52. GOOD TUNE, MAN!!!

[lasttrip]

79. It takes a revolution to make a solution

https://m.

Peace.
LT

[CBGLuthier]

54. CLinton was in Congress for only a few years yet she managed to help start a war

Yeah, that Bernie is such a slacker.

[Fuddnik]

58. You're misunderestimating her.

She's started several.

[fun n serious]

83. Bush was determined to OCCUPY Iraq. Hillary wasn't going to stop him.

She was Senator of NY (where the twin towers came down) Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.. were feeding them crap about WMD's, harboring terrorist.. a slough of lies. Her constituents expected her to vote for it.

[treestar]

62. Good one!

Great point. I see his supporters continue to put too much faith in the Presidency alone.

[Hissyspit]

72. No, it's not.

[Logical]

74. Lol, you just messing with us? You have to be. Nt

[Quixote1818]

75. Do you not listen to liberal talk radio? He is on Thom Hartmann and Ed Schults every week

doing everything he can to raise awareness about civil rights issues and wealth inequality. He has been the main figure in these battles for decades.

[Half-Century Man]

77. Brewing just below the surface of America.

How did you not notice?

[womanofthehills]

78. "Brunch with Bernie"

has been on Tom Hartman's first hour of his radio show almost every Fri for about 10 yrs. It seem like forever I have been listening to "Brunch with Bernie". He has been talking his talk forever!

[pinebox]

80. :) Well there's always this

and for the less tame there's always this..........which is rather fitting XD And I suggest you play it LOUD and actually watch the video. Because THIS is what it's about.

[riversedge]

82. JUST IN: @HillaryClinton brought in $15m in January, plus $5m for other Dems. (Sanders: $20m, $0.)

Another month goes by and Bernie still hording the money for his camp. Shameful



TWEET
Voice of Reason ?@Montgomery_bjm 26m26 minutes ago

Voice of Reason Retweeted Gabriel Debenedetti

#BernieSanders isnt supporting state/local democratic candidates? He'll need them to get anything done. #FeelTheBern


Gabriel Debenedetti Verified account
?@gdebenedetti

JUST IN: @HillaryClinton brought in $15m in January, plus $5m for other Dems. (Sanders: $20m, $0.)


JUST IN: @HillaryClinton brought in $15m in January, plus $5m for other Dems. (Sanders: $20m, $0.)

[fun n serious]

84. Not surprised. He is only USING the title (D) nt

[pansypoo53219]

86. where? surviving til zombie reagan/tinkle down ekonomiks was on its death bed. even bow, the teevee

gnewz still loves tax cuts & tinkle.