How the #$#% did getting the SC vacancy filled become BERNIE'S responsibility?

[Ken Burch]

This was the meme of the day from the HRC right...but, really? Seriously?

It's all on BERNIE to get this done?

And it somehow proves he can't ever do anything if there isn't a confirmation before E-Day?

[Live and Learn]

1. Just another ridiculous meme that will go nowhere. They are down to pickin through the sludge now.

[TheBlackAdder]

65. It's because some people are F-N stupid! nt

[TDale313]

2. It's ridiculous.

It comes down to the same thing they've been screaming from the start. "Not good enough, Bernie" Doesn't matter what he does, they'll keep moving the goalposts and setting ridiculous standards and then attack him for not meeting them.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

3. We can do it and we will do it.

But the meme will be long gone.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Their pocket constitutions?

[MADem]

5. It's not his responsibility. He's not even on the Judiciary Committee.

He's one vote of a hundred when it comes to this matter.

POTUS will nominate his choice, as the Constitution provides for, "in due time."

[uponit7771]

52. NO HE CAN'T!!! lol... yaw a trip jack

[cui bono]

6. I guess they're trying to find a reason to make him get off the campaign trail

cuz he's making Hillary look bad.

.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. Look, man, it's hard to keep coming up with original material to avoid talking about actual issues.

give em a break. It's the best they can do, right now.

[Lorien]

11. Bingo

ANYTHING but the issues!

[840high]

13. .+10

[beam me up scottie]

18. That plus they want to be able to blame Bernie if Obama can't get his nominee appointed.

It's a preemptive NOT GOOD ENOUGH BERNIE strike.

[fried eggs]

8. No he can't! It's not his job!

Single payer in Vermont wasn't his job either! We won't know what he can do until we elect him.

[Art_from_Ark]

15. Please provide a list of bills that US Senators have passed

in the legislatures of their respective states.

[beam me up scottie]

17. No, single payer in Vermont wasn't his job. You do realize he's a US Senator, right?

Honestly this is why no one takes your questions seriously, you obviously don't know the difference between being a governor and being a US senator.

No wonder you expect him to force Obama's nominee through the Senate.

[PonyUp]

45. LOL. n/t

[uponit7771]

47. +1

[Fumesucker]

9. Be kind, it's all they have and they are flogging it as hard as their little fingers can type

[bigtree]

10. I don't know who you're listening to

...but Hillary put the hat on republicans tonight:

Hillary's tweets to Senate Republicans on SCOTUS tonight: 'POTUS will do his job. Do yours'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511245400#post3

[PoliticAverse]

12. Because the Can't Coalition knows there's no point to them trying? n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. Did Obama ask for our help yet?

If so, I haven't heard about it. Obama doesn't need Bernie to ask us. That's a pretty lame assertion.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. If Sanders did offer help he would be accused of white-'splaining how to be president.

You can't win because the rules are rigged.

[Waiting For Everyman]

59. Very true.

I'm sure he'd be met with a ton of resentment rather than thanks.

[treestar]

92. the point of the revolution is to get around the rigging

I thought this was the ultimate Yes We Can, we are going to have a revolution! The game is rigged and that's why we need one.

[treestar]

75. From what I understood, Obama is too third way and

not revolutionary enough, why would the Rising People depend upon him?

[Waiting For Everyman]

79. It's his nomination.

He can ask for our help, or get it done himself. Last time I checked, he's the one who's POTUS, not me, and not grassroots voters, and certainly not Bernie.

[treestar]

90. you're missing the point though

why not help Obama as you would help Bernie, for starters, and don't you want as liberal a justice as possible - so why not harness Bernie's revolution to that end? It's like you would rather let Obama appoint some Third Way Corporatist and complain about it through Bernie's term, rather than harness the power the of revolution to get a true revolutionary.

[Waiting For Everyman]

94. Obama doesn't want our help

and he's the one making the nomination so how good or bad it is, is up to him. He was the one elected to make the choices last time, and he's the one who will make it.

The difference is, Obama doesn't care what we think or want, whereas President Sanders probably will. I don't think Pres. Sanders will tell us to go away the week he's inaugurated. On the contrary. I think Sanders knows how to use the power of numbers. That's the revolution.

[Hekate]

16. Because this is a Revolution! It's a Movement! Yes he can! Every hour of every day...

....this message is HAMMERED home on this BOARD!

He can! He must!

[Ken Burch]

23. Uh...Obama actually has to nominate somebody before "He can! He must!"

It's silly to put this on Bernie when nobody's even going to be picked anytime soon.

[daleanime]

32. They're just doing....

Their warm-ups right now.

[Hekate]

43. But you don't really KNOW that! It could happen at any moment! Such are the powers of ..

...the Movement he has started that SURELY this huge task can be accomplished.

It's not silly, it's not. How can you say that?

[treestar]

91. nobody is putting it on bernie so much as giving him the opportunity!

If you are serious about this revolution, it makes no sense to go oh well it's not bernie's job. Bernie appointed himself leader of the Revolution so of course it's his job! By the same token that the revolutionaries can get 15 minimum wage they can get a revolutionary justice rather than just let Obama appoint some corporatist. Then you'll complain about that corporatist all through Bernie's term. Why suffer? You'd rather do that that start the revolution?

[Trajan]

62. You win

The most cynical, ridiculous and ugly ass post of the day ...

One might wonder if you dream of a better life, or if you're squandered all your dreams within a cloud of self loathing ...

I've decided to stop wondering, and put this lost soul out to pasture ...

Say goodbye ... Nihilistic cynicism is not my thing, and it sure as FUCK isn't Bernie's thing ...

Don't worry - we'll make sure your grandchildren are taken care of, in spite of your ugly cynicism ...

Bernie doesn't care how angry and mean you are ...

[treestar]

72. EXACLTY! He must demand the Obama get us a REVOLUTIONARY justice on the SCOTUS!

Why sit there and let some corporatist have a seat for a justice who will be there throughout Bernie's term? The Bernie supporters are proving they are just having fun with us and are not serious.

And they still won't consider a single Senate seat for Congressional seat for a campaign to get a real progressive to replace the current occupant. It's all on Bernie anyway.

[Hydra]

102. You guys forget this already?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. I supposed she wants him to stop filling stadiums and go back to DC too.

[7wo7rees]

28. Well, there is always that..... Twould be the polite thing to do....

Right?

[bowens43]

20. the hill people are going a bit nutty as 2008 looms large in their rear view mirror

[RBInMaine]

22. You say you have a revolution going, right? Then PROVE IT.

[Ken Burch]

24. Bernie doesn't have to singlehandedly get a SC nominee confirmed to prove that.

It's silly that you guys are this obsessed with trying to discredit Bern. Nothing bad at all has come from his candidacy.

And you have to reason to imply that Bernie won't be in the thick of the confirmation fight when the president does finally nominate somebody, which won't even be happening for several weeks now.

[Empowerer]

36. Who said anything about him doing anything singlehandedly?

[uponit7771]

49. overt strawman noted

[treestar]

74. Not single handedly. With the support of the REVOLUTIONARIES!

Where are they? Don't they want a revolutionary justice? Aren't they about to start a revolution? This justice will be on the bench Bernie's whole term.

[Duckhunter935]

25. you have to be joking

The election has not even happened yet.

[virtualobserver]

26. Why do we need to prove anything to someone who is attacking the revolution?

[7wo7rees]

29. OK RB, prove otherwise!! nt

[beam me up scottie]

30. What are you doing to help?

I mean besides yelling at everyone else to do something.

[notadmblnd]

82. I don't know what changed but the OP was pretty nasty about HRC in 2008

Even questioned her mental stability.

[beam me up scottie]

83. Questioned Hillary's mental stability too? There's a lot of that going around.

What an odd phenomenon.

[Matt_in_STL]

31. I'm getting the feeling Hillary supporters don't actually understand how the political process works

That would really explain a lot.

[uponit7771]

48. +1

[Android3.14]

60. Maine is better than this. Defeatism is not a characteristic of the state I call home

Could you please change your name? Your embarrassing the rest of us Mainers.

"You have the God-given right to kick the government around - don't hesitate to do so." - Edmund_Muskie

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. 2016 isn't revolting enough for you?

[LondonReign2]

93. And Bernie also hasn't singlehandedly flown a man to Mars!! WTF is his problem???

Seriously, are all Hillary supporters as devoid of logic as this?

[frylock]

97. Where's Obama's nominee?

[7wo7rees]

27. Careful everyone, the vane is spinning wildly!

Take cover! Incoming!!

[LonePirate]

33. It's not Bernie's issue. It's not Hillary's issue. It's everyone's issue.

Every one of us needs to contact our senators and demand a vote on Obama's SCOTUS nominee. This is a task for everyone and not just for a single candidate.

[Vinca]

34. Did they claim Bernie was Obama's hit man or didn't they go that far?

Maybe that will get funneled to Drudge today. LOL.

[Empowerer]

35. Because Bernie has spent his entire life fighting for civil rights- except when it isn't his job

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Let someone else do it.

It's the President's responsibility.

He's not on the Judiciary Committee.

He's just a lowly Senator, just one of 100. Why are you picking on him when there are 99 other Senators?

He'll promises to vote for the nominee when McConnell gives him permission, but in the meantime, he's just a Senator, so what can he do?

He's too busy trying to make himself President - THEN he'll have all the time in the world to lead the revolution. But he can't do anything now - it's even too much to tell his millions supporters to do anything because it's not their responsibility and besides, they need to stay fresh for the revolution.

He may think about doing it if the President picks someone that Bernie himself would have picked but only if the President asks him real nice.

And, of course, Hillary...

[uponit7771]

51. +1

[Skwmom]

37. It's not. Obama is President, Biden Vp. It is their job. Bernie is running for Pres. n/t

[Hekate]

67. The POTUS nominates, the SENATE confirms. The crucial element is the SENATE. Bernie is a SENATOR...

I'm CERTAIN that after all of his years in the US SENATE, he can PULL TOGETHER a COALITION and get this job DONE!

I await events with bated breath. ("Breathing that is subdued because of some emotion or difficulty." The other spelling is fishy.)

But as to Biden, the Vice President has zero to do with this process except as he might consult with the President. It all goes on in the Senate, with Senators, once the President sends down a name.

[Skwmom]

81. Biden as VP can work with Senate Leadership. Again, Bernie is running for President. n/t

[Hekate]

95. But what about all his friends and colleagues in the Senate? He's totally respected, and this is...

...a HUGE opportunity to use his powers of persuasion and moral authority to sway his fellows on this lifetime appointment. What are all you folks thinking? He doesn't have to leave the campaign trail -- he just has to pick up the phone or start the Twitter tree or whatever it is the millenials do these days to send out the word to the masses -- and in this case, it's only 99 other Senators.

He can! He must!

[kristopher]

38. If you're on the defensive, you aren't on the offensive. nt

[LWolf]

39. It's simply another stop on

the fiction wheel; cherokeeprogressive should add it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511244661

[JackRiddler]

40. It was Plan B after "Bernie = Scalia" didn't float.

[Arazi]

41. What's interesting is I'd be on board with harnessing some of that energy for Obama

And this nomination selection.

I just hope Obama doesn't disappoint by selecting a moderate rightward leaning candidate.

If he selects a moderate all bets are off.

You can't have it both ways - Bernie Sanders' message is fuck the Establishment and the entrenched special interests. Then you want to turn around and expect his supporters to push for a centrist establishment nominee?

Nope

[NCTraveler]

42. I think it is the responsibility of the leaders in the Democratic Party.

That absolves Sanders of any responsibility here.

[SheenaR]

44. You answered your question

It is the meme of the day

[uponit7771]

46. Cause Sanders has the means (as he says he does) to get it done... Sanders needs to walk the walk

... and not just talk the talk

[PonyUp]

50. The ridiculousness of the meme's are directly proportional to Bernie's poll #'s rising. n/t

[Gothmog]

53. Are you admitting that the Sanders' revolution is not real?

Sanders is claiming that he has mobilized millions and millions of new voters and these new voters will enable him to force the GOP to (1) adopt a $15 per hour minimum wage, (ii) adopt a single payer health care system and (iii) increase taxes on the 1%. If this revolution is real, then it should be a simple matter for Sanders to get President Obama's nominee to SCOTUS approved.

If the Sanders revolution is not up to this simple task, then how will the Sanders revolution accomplish anything if Sander is elected?

[azurnoir]

54. NO but the current POTUS has 11 months to do this why is he so discounted?

[uponit7771]

57. ... Sanders revolution has to wait on Obama for America to get the GOP to follow the constitution?

[azurnoir]

64. No but Sanders does follow the law no waiting on required

[uponit7771]

56. AMEN!!! Time for Sanders to put his money where his mouth is!!!

[frylock]

98. WHERE IS SANDERS' NOMINEE?!!1

RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

[uponit7771]

100. Strawman, no one says he proffers the nominee... but keep laughing, we see the revolution as BS

[frylock]

101. You guys keep talking, but don't really say much at all.

[libdem4life]

58. The Dense...Defies Logic.

" If this revolution is real, then it should be a simple matter for Sanders to get President Obama's nominee to SCOTUS approved." Could you provide A NAME or A PERSON?

Newsflash...it is a tad early...it's PBOs move FIRST.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. Wow. Not for nothing; it's already been noted that he's not even a member of the Judiciary Committee

I feel your pain (picture me biting my lip).

[Gothmog]

68. But where are the millions and millions of new voters who will force the GOP to be reasonable???

The whole premise of the Sanders' campaign is that he can promise things that are impossible to deliver due to the revolution involving millions and millions of voters who will force the GOP to be reasonable. Without this revolution, then most of Sanders' platform is not realistic

If Sanders wants to prove that his revolution is real and exists, then he needs to help get Obama's nominee confirmed. Otherwise, people may doubt whether Sanders can deliver on the rest of his promises

To date, these millions and millions of voters have not shown up.

[Bluenorthwest]

69. Of course Obama failed the 'simple task' of passing the ACA with the components he'd promised....

In addition, both members of the Senate and the President have very specific sworn duties to carry out in regard to the naming of a new Justice. For any Senator to declare in advance of having heard who the nominee is that they are going to support whomever and fight like mad for whoever would be very much a fucking over of the duty they swore to.

The President nominates, the Senate advises and consents. That's how it works. Can't advise or consent to an unknown nominee. And it is the duty of a Senator to carry out that function, not to announce they will replace their own judgement with that of any President.

The Senate has protocols and by laws and a process that will be followed. Nominee first goes to the Judiciary Committee, until they put the nomination on the floor there is no need and in fact no actual authority to announce support for that nominee.

[Gothmog]

104. Again, the premise of the Sanders campaign is based on a Sanders revolution

Sanders is proposing many programs that have no chance of passing in the real world based on the concept that his revolution will force the Congressional republicans to become reasonable. According to Sanders, this revolution will involve millions and millions of new voters who will force the GOP to be reasonable.

"We need a political revolution of millions of people in this country who are prepared to stand up and say, 'enough is enough' ... I want to help lead that effort."
~ Sen. Bernie Sanders

That means that millions of people need to come out and so far there are fewer votes in Iowa and NH in 2016 than compared to 2008. If Sanders wants to prove that his revolution is real, then use this revolution to help confirm President Obama's nominee to replace Scalia

[treestar]

76. +1

The disingenuousness here is amazing!

[WhiteTara]

55. He is in the Senate. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

66. Yes and as such he has very specific sworn duties to carry out in this matter, as does the President

of the United States. It would be insanely improper for any Senator to declare prior to a nomination that they intended to support and 'fight for' the unknown nominee. It would also be political suicide for anyone running for President to make such a declaration.

[sadoldgirl]

70. But where is the "progressive

candidate, who gets things done"?

If you are so sure of her capability,

why does she not get it done?

[treestar]

71. It was a challenge posed

to those who insist Bernie is leading a revolution. Why would he not want to get involved? Sit back and let corporatist Obama pick someone? LOL. It's a challenge. If there's going to be a REVOLUTION it could as well start now. What kind of REVOLUTION waits to be handed the power of the executive office? Is the revolution going to do away with the SCOTUS? If not, then it is in Bernie's interests to make sure the seat is held by a REVOLUTIONARY. If Bernie's will is the will of the people, why not? I find it hilarious that after seeing all those posts of "No we can't," suddenly, Bernie can't and is not responsible. Let some Third Wayer be on the court, as it is President Obama's responsibility. Actually it would not be a surprise to see claims Obama owes Bernie. But it's only Bernie who can inspire the REVOLUTION! Why have that Third Wayer on the court for all of Bernie's terms of office?

[KingFlorez]

73. From what I've heard, he has no enemies in the Senate

Apparently, the Republicans love him and respect him, so his word should count for a lot.

And if the revolution is real, his supporters making phone calls should have flipped enough Senators to force a vote on a potential nominee.

[Jarqui]

77. It's dumb expectations. don't worry about it.

[Autumn]

78. Well it became his respomsibility back in April 2015 when he decided to run for President.

And that was cemented when Hillary's lead started blowing south a month or so ago. And it's hard to find fault with his record. At least that's what I see,

[JackRiddler]

80. Internal numbers from SC and NV must be very bad.

And they can't think of a different line of attack, at least not one they can use (they can of course think of things like "dirty commie!" but either they've figured out that's not usable or they're saving it for nuclear war day).

But this is just about the dumbest and least effective thing yet. Like, the whole world after Scalia's death is wondering this, right? Everyone is thinking, if the Republicans seriously try to obstruct any appointment, how is this going to be the fault of... Sanders! There's no other intervening thought. There couldn't be, of course, because no logic can possibly get you there. It's just the most non-sequitur and irrelevant thing thinkable.

And the way this extremely stupid and weeeeeaaaaak approach is brought by multiple threads at the same time is interesting. For showing coordination, obviously, but also for indicating that someone is seriously eating up their own shit. They believe this works!

[azmom]

84. Hahaha. I wonder who came up with

This stupidity.

I'm not kidding Maddie start the revolution NOW!

[Aerows]

85. Why? Because Bernie Sanders is responsible for everything.

It's his fault because he is responsible for Hillary losing the Democratic Primary, even though he hasn't won it yet. Since it looks like he might win,

BERNIE IS THE PERSONIFICATION OF EVIL

He is the SATAN standing in the way of Hillary Clinton doing her God-given and predestined duty of being the first female President of the United States.

She will not be thwarted again "waves finger in the air in a blender like motion."

/end

I don't know how that particular bit of "Must Champion SC Justice Nominee" craw-sticking happened, but it's actually kind of humorous at this point, considering that there isn't one.

[noamnety]

86. It's the double standard competency test.

1. Can you control the entire senate composed mainly of republicans enough to make them to do your bidding? No? UNELECTABLE!!!!!*

*If your name is Bernie, otherwise, proceed to question #2.

2. Can you manage to control your own behavior just enough to keep Top Secret Info on the Top Secret server that is provided to you free of charge? No? Ehhhh, no big deal, that's a really really hard one.

[ladjf]

87. Check with user "Empowerer".

In an earlier OP, he yapped with me for several posts when I took the same position as you.

My feeling is that those who are advocating that Bernie should jump in and lead the charge to get a new appointee, are actually
proposing what would be a trap. If Bernie started splitting his time between leading the SC appointee nomination and the campaign he would likely be able to accomplish either.

[TBF]

88. That's fine - elect Bernie & he will fill the position

and I promise it will be a good appointment.

[Chichiri]

89. Not a responsibility, but an opportunity.

Bernie not being able to get things done is one of our key issues. He's not obligated to facilitate the SCOTUS nominee, but if he did so, it would bring a LOT of people over to his side.

[Ken Burch]

96. It goes without saying that he will be working hard in that fight.

There was never any reason for any of you to imply that Bernie has to be MADE to be involved in it.

[workinclasszero]

99. No worries

Everyone knows Bernie can't deliver on any of the many promises he's throwing around on the campaign trail.

The panic by Bernies phantom revolution over this issue proves it's all just empty retoric.

[jfern]

103. The vacancy is still there! Not good enough, Bernie!