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Arazi

(6,829 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:22 PM Feb 2016

US Marshals arresting people for not paying federal student loans

Seven US Marshals with automatic weapons arrested a man, putting him in shackles! for an outstanding $1500 federal student loan debt. I'm wondering if the costs of the arrest and paperwork exceeds the original $1500?!

Bernie Sanders, as President, would never take these actions. He's consistent on the topic of student loan debt and tuition free public college so these kinds of arrests never happen.

HOUSTON (FOX 26) - Believe it or not, the US Marshals Service in Houston is arresting people for not paying their outstanding federal student loans.

Paul Aker says he was arrested at his home last week for a $1500 federal student loan he received in 1987.

He says seven deputy US Marshals showed up at his home with guns and took him to federal court where he had to sign a payment plan for the 29-year-old school loan.

Snip

One reliable source in the US Marshalls says Aker isn't the first and won't be the last


Mods I believe the issue of student loan debt belongs in GDP and that this was a federal action meaning it's highly topical for both candidates

Read more: From: http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story

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US Marshals arresting people for not paying federal student loans (Original Post) Arazi Feb 2016 OP
This is a very important problem. Thank you for posting this. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #1
That's the true face of capitalism Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #2
...which Bernie Sanders doesn't plan to replace. brooklynite Feb 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #30
How long before we return to debtors prisons? Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #3
In some jurisdictions, we're already back there. closeupready Feb 2016 #15
We have. What do you think the outcome would have been if he refused to sign? Lochloosa Feb 2016 #16
Good point. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #18
How can Bernie stop it? Federal Judges have independent power. hack89 Feb 2016 #4
I wonder if he can tell the Marshals they have better things to do. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #6
Not if the marshals are working for the courts hack89 Feb 2016 #7
Oh I don't think he would but can he? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #8
I seriously doubt it hack89 Feb 2016 #11
You don't think a President Sanders wouldn't micromanage this? Arazi Feb 2016 #9
And when a federal judge tells him to pack sand? hack89 Feb 2016 #13
This shit has been going on for some time. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #5
The very definition of a rigged system Arazi Feb 2016 #10
It is definitely a racket and the people know this and are pissed off! liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #14
There is definitely some room in there for changing how the federal government interacts with liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #12
you explained that very well, ty questionseverything Feb 2016 #17
The guy said he got no notice of the debt. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #24
That's possible. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #35
Interesting - I posted an article on Kissenger's war crimes Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #19
I don't think your post should have been locked. How candidates' policies will affect liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #20
Well that's the point Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #21
I think we forget a crucial function of DU:P though. It's not really to discuss issues. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #23
I think a major caendidtate describing Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #25
Oh, I agree. I'm just saying the reason your post got locked may be because it was liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #27
yea Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #34
ghastly amborin Feb 2016 #22
Time to flee the country. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #33
"Paul Aker says ..." "he says ..." Um, you mean no corroborating witnesses ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #26
Here's the story in The Guardian, they're not known for unsourced stories Arazi Feb 2016 #29
OK, thanks. Big improvement over a Fox affiliate. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #31
Yeah, agreed. I grabbed the first link Arazi Feb 2016 #32

Response to brooklynite (Reply #28)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. How can Bernie stop it? Federal Judges have independent power.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

the executive can't dictate to the judiciary.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. Not if the marshals are working for the courts
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

one of their fundamental jobs is executing all lawful writs, processes, and orders issued by the federal courts. The President is not going to start micromanaging the courts.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
8. Oh I don't think he would but can he?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

I was thinking about here in Cook County where the sherriff refused to foreclose homes because the banks were playing fast and loose with paperwork.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. I seriously doubt it
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

it would set off a firestorm he wouldn't need. The president can't be seen as micromanaging the court system.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
9. You don't think a President Sanders wouldn't micromanage this?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

Of course he would. Its one if his "big" issues

Madame President, not so much imo

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. And when a federal judge tells him to pack sand?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

then what? He does not have the power to directly interfere with the courts.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
5. This shit has been going on for some time.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

The new(ish) twist here is the government is using private debt collectors for student loans.

The debt collectors are getting more aggressive in all collections. In the old days, they would get a judgment and plop it on your credit report to haunt you until, it goes away, or you try to buy a house etc.

Now they sue the debtor, the debtor ignores the suit, the collector gets a judgment and THEN the collector sends a server to summons the debtor to court for asset/income discovery. The debtor, thinking it's like old times, ignores that summons too. I mean why not, we don't have debtor's prisons, right? And you can't squeez blood out of a turnip. Nope. The collector presses the court for a contempt of court and sends the sherriff or, in this case, the US Marshals to drag the debtor in to court. Business friendly judges often times make the amount owed the bail and/or make the debtor sign a payment plan. Now defaulting on the payment plan is "contempt of court".

So who needs debtor's prison when we can just call it contempt of court?



The private debt collectors must absolutely loooove this set up. Because, often times, when the debt collection gets this aggressive, the debtor just calls Peter Francis Geracy to stop the collection efforts in its tracks. Can't do that with student loans.

So if you are a debt collector and have two collection files in front of you - one a student loan and the other a credit card - which one do you aggressively work? The student loan, obviously.


Oh yeah, the student loan lenders bought the collection agencies so they collect on the federal guarantee AND collection/attorney fees.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
12. There is definitely some room in there for changing how the federal government interacts with
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

student loan lenders and debt collectors and for making college more affordable so that this is less of a problem. Bernie says he would stop the federal government from collecting profit off of federal student loans and would use that to lower interest rates. He would also use a different formula for calculating interest and would allow students to refinance interest. These are all really good first steps along with increasing taxes on the wealthy to make college tuition free.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
17. you explained that very well, ty
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

it is just a variation of what the cops were doing in ferguson, isn't it?

overload people with tickets,fines ect

people can't pay but the court orders them to anyway

then they go to jail for contempt

sad state of affairs

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
35. That's possible.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

It wouldn't be the first time a lender's agent lied about proper summons service.

The mortgage companies were committing wholesale fraud and perjury with their "rocket dockets"

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
19. Interesting - I posted an article on Kissenger's war crimes
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

as it related to him being Hillarys mentor and vacation buddy

My post was Killed (after just a few responses)for being not related to Primaries.

How is this one here and still active?

How does it relate to the Primaries?

Interesting

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
20. I don't think your post should have been locked. How candidates' policies will affect
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

issues such as war and education is relevant to the primaries.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
21. Well that's the point
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

isn't it. That one wasn't the only post I've had locked for that reason.

Hillary stupidly calling a war criminal her mentor was too much reality I guess. Can't have it

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
23. I think we forget a crucial function of DU:P though. It's not really to discuss issues.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

It's to insult the candidates and their supporters.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
25. I think a major caendidtate describing
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

that war criminal a mentor and going to the point of vacationing with him, is an important issue.
It demonstrates a mindset that I don't want anywhere near the WH

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
27. Oh, I agree. I'm just saying the reason your post got locked may be because it was
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

about issues rather than whatever the daily meme happens to be.

eppur_se_muova

(36,281 posts)
26. "Paul Aker says ..." "he says ..." Um, you mean no corroborating witnesses ?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

Seven armed Federal marshals swoop down on this guy, take him to court, and no one else sees anything ? "Reliable sources" but no official log from the marshals ??

Pass me a large grain of salt, please.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
32. Yeah, agreed. I grabbed the first link
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016


Thanks for keeping me on my toes, no snark, I mean that sincerely. Sources matter
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