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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:59 PM Feb 2016

So what exactly has Hillary accomplished?

...some of what she touts as accomplishments have been disputed. In a five-minute video released on the eve of her campaign’s formal launch in June, she suggested that she was the force behind the expansion of health coverage to children in the 1990s.
In fact, however, that legislation was created and driven by two senators, Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). At one point, then-President Bill Clinton turned against it, fearing that it would destroy a balanced-budget deal, and Hillary Clinton defended her husband, saying, “He had to safeguard the budget proposal.


When Bloomberg News posed the question in May to a focus group of 10 Iowa Democrats, they praised Clinton for strength, experience and competence but could not recall a single thing she had done.


...part of her message in a speech Wednesday supporting the Iran nuclear deal, which was negotiated by her successor, John Kerry. Clinton spotlighted her own role in bringing Tehran to the table.


Clinton’s tenure as first lady is remembered most for her politically disastrous effort to transform the health-care system. In the Senate, she was a relatively junior member with few legislative victories that bear her name. And as secretary of state, she was carrying out President Obama’s agenda in an administration where diplomatic policymaking was tightly controlled by the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-clinton-voters-see-a-long-resume-but-a-short-list-of-accomplishments/2015/09/09/fff3fc60-573e-11e5-8bb1-b488d231bba2_story.html

And then there is this:

Unable to answer her major accomplishments as Sec of State.

I understand that she did travel the world and smooth over relations with foreign leaders after the disasterous Bush/Cheney foreign policy. That was important.
But when I compare her tenure to that of John Kerry's, there is no comparison. In fact if it wasn't for the successes of John Kerry, I probably would never have even questioned her accomplishments as SoS.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/12/john-kerrys-top-accomplishments-and-looming-challenges/ (this doesn't even include his unrelentless work on the Iran Deal)

She talks about Hillarycare - there was no Hillary care.
http://www.americanhealthline.com/analysis-and-insight/features/why-hillarycare-failed-and-obamacare-succeeded

I will give her credit for going around the world advocating for women's rights as human rights.

Other than that - what has Hillary accomplished in all her years in public service? What makes her so much better at getting things done than Bernie - or as she calls it - a progressive that likes to get things done?
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
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So what exactly has Hillary accomplished? (Original Post) jillan Feb 2016 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #1
First of all, Bernie as only been in the Senate since 2006. Second of all - jillan Feb 2016 #2
Hillary didn't stay in the Senate long Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #49
I believe he parted the Red Sea, walked on water and doc03 Feb 2016 #3
Wow never knew that UglyGreed Feb 2016 #21
Actually it wasn't him that did that.... jillan Feb 2016 #28
Gosh I laughed so hard UglyGreed Feb 2016 #31
Ya - always happy to make a friend smile. jillan Feb 2016 #33
. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #51
Sanders is not using "I get things done" as a differentiator with his opponent. jeff47 Feb 2016 #7
Yet there is a long list of his accomplishments included in the last link of my OP - but jillan Feb 2016 #10
20 years as a rep, 10 as a senator: the title of "Amendment King" magical thyme Feb 2016 #41
She went from being supposedly broke in 2001 to a multi millionaire just a few years later libtodeath Feb 2016 #4
That was going to be my response, too. earthside Feb 2016 #8
Not just a millionaire - she and Bill hifiguy Feb 2016 #16
that's her main accomplishment. Merryland Feb 2016 #29
Libya and Syria in chaos, illegal coup in Honduras, refugee crisis, rise of ISIS... Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #5
Becoming a multimillionaire off of speaking fees is an accomplishment Android3.14 Feb 2016 #6
She has made alot of money berningman Feb 2016 #9
K&R -- important thread senz Feb 2016 #11
Well, she sponsored a bill criminalizing flag burning (cosponsored with some wing nuts) tularetom Feb 2016 #12
Speaking of flags - Her and Billy support the confederate image on the Arkansas state flag. jillan Feb 2016 #13
Lets not forget that she was the spearhead against cartoon violence bvar22 Feb 2016 #15
One term Senator, Terrible SOS SheenaR Feb 2016 #14
One and 1/3rd term Senator. jeff47 Feb 2016 #17
lol SheenaR Feb 2016 #22
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #38
Crickets from the Hillary supporters? What's up with that? jillan Feb 2016 #18
We expect you to have done your own homework if you had planned to vote. Lucinda Feb 2016 #19
I did my homework and it came up blank - please note the provided links. jillan Feb 2016 #20
Those links show me that you really didnt try to find out what she'd done. Lucinda Feb 2016 #23
a quick link to what she has done is most appreciated Karma13612 Feb 2016 #44
I see the Clinton camp still thinks condescension is an effective campaign strategy. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #24
There isn't anything condescending about expecting someone to research candidates before making Lucinda Feb 2016 #30
Actually, yes. There is. jeff47 Feb 2016 #53
Won the Henry Kissinger Seal of Approval JackRiddler Feb 2016 #25
Lol..... jillan Feb 2016 #26
she is part of something I find to be very negitive to us 99%ers olddots Feb 2016 #27
well, here are a few things KMOD Feb 2016 #32
Thank you - I will look it over. Not being snarky, I do want to know.... jillan Feb 2016 #42
The Potemkin candidate. frylock Feb 2016 #34
She's one of the highest paid professional speakers in history Mudcat Feb 2016 #35
Dodging sniper fire? hifiguy Feb 2016 #36
In fairness, some of the things a SoS does will 'land' during the tenure of the next person to AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #37
So what exactly has Bernie accomplished? wildeyed Feb 2016 #39
I provided a link for people to read of Bernie's accomplishments. jillan Feb 2016 #40
Excuses, excuses.... wildeyed Feb 2016 #43
So, facts are off the table? Interesting...sounds like typical Hillary logic. nt Karma13612 Feb 2016 #47
Oh please! wildeyed Feb 2016 #50
yea, FACTS. eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #48
Yes! FACTS! You got none! wildeyed Feb 2016 #52
she has destabilized Libya and Syria and enabled ISIS to move into those areas amborin Feb 2016 #45
A large bank account???? UglyGreed Feb 2016 #46
Her foreign policy record is downright dismal: Lorien Feb 2016 #54

Response to jillan (Original post)

jillan

(39,451 posts)
2. First of all, Bernie as only been in the Senate since 2006. Second of all -
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

I included a link in the OP of Bernie's accomplishments.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. Sanders is not using "I get things done" as a differentiator with his opponent.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is. So she either has to have a record of actually getting things done, or she's created yet another campaign problem.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
10. Yet there is a long list of his accomplishments included in the last link of my OP - but
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

doesn't include his accomplishments as mayor.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
41. 20 years as a rep, 10 as a senator: the title of "Amendment King"
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:16 PM
Feb 2016

He made a lot of deals a lot better than they otherwise would have been. The most recent that comes to mind was using his vote on ACA to get an large infusion of money into "community health centers" that serve the poor. As a representative back in '01 he was able to get $100M in additional funding for community health centers.

Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

They list a couple dozen major amendments he authored and got passed at the link above. I've read he passed lots of amendments.

Here's what some of his colleagues have said about working with him:

Senator Roger Wicker — Republican, Mississippi
“I learned early on not to be automatically dismissive of a Bernie Sanders initiative or amendment… He’s tenacious and dogged and he has determination, and he’s not to be underestimated.”

Senator Sherrod Brown — Democrat, Ohio
“[Sanders] would call them ‘tripartite amendments’ because we’d have him and he’d get a Republican, he’d get a Democrat and he’d pass things. He’s good at building coalitions.”

Senator John Mccain — Republican, Arizona
“[While working on the Veterans Affairs legislation], I found him to be honorable and good as his word.”

Senator Chuck Schumer — Democrat, New York
“He knew when to hold and knew when to fold and, I think, maximized what we could get for veterans.”

Senator Jack Reed — Democratic, Rhode Island (again)
“Frankly, without him, I don’t think we would have gotten [the Veterans Affairs legislation] done… It was a great testament to his skill as a legislator.”

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/10/1482833/-8-Quotes-From-Congress-About-Bernie-Sanders

As mayor of Burlington, VT
Sanders spoke out against poverty in the third world and made good-will visits to the Soviet Union and Cuba, among other places that U.S. mayors generally didn’t travel to during that time. But a funny thing happened on the way to what many had dismissed as a short-running circus. Sanders undertook ambitious downtown revitalization projects and courted evil capitalist entities known as “businesses.” He balanced budgets. His administration sued the local cable franchise and won reduced rates for customers. He drew a minor-league baseball team to town, the Vermont Reds (named for the Cincinnatis, not the Commies).

Sanders’s appeal in Vermont’s biggest city blended the “think globally” sensibility of a liberal college town with the “act locally” practicality of a hands-on mayor. He offered sister-city relations with the Sandinistas and efficient snowplowing for the People’s Republic of Burlington. Before Sanders’s mayoral victory, Leahy says, it was easy not to take him seriously. “Then he got over that barrier, and got elected. He fixed the streets, filled the potholes, worked with the business community. He did what serious leaders do.” He was re-elected three times.

on the Patriot Act
He was adept at working with people with whom he otherwise disagreed sharply
— forging alliances with conservatives like Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas and a well-known libertarian, with whom he shared a common hostility to the U.S.A. Patriot Act. In what might have been Sanders’s signature triumph of recent years, he was instrumental in striking a provision from the Patriot Act that would have required librarians to release data on what their patrons were reading.

He was also gifted at drawing attention to his issues and (just as important) to himself. He was the first congressman to lead a bus trip to Canada to help seniors buy cheaper prescription drugs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/magazine/21Sanders.t.html?_r=0

Seems to me what we need more than anything right now is somebody to stand up on the Bully Pulpit. I think that's his greatest strength.





libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
4. She went from being supposedly broke in 2001 to a multi millionaire just a few years later
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

while being a Senator for one term and SOS for one term.

How does that happen?

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. That was going to be my response, too.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary has accomplished the objective of becoming a multimillionaire many times over.

Hillary Clinton is not one of us.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. Not just a millionaire - she and Bill
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

managed to amass around $130 million in 16 years after being "dead broke." Damn near ten million per year. The influence-peddling market must be good, at least if you have lots of access to sell. Wonder what they got for the WH china and silverware.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
6. Becoming a multimillionaire off of speaking fees is an accomplishment
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe she will release the transcripts so we can see what was so valuable.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
12. Well, she sponsored a bill criminalizing flag burning (cosponsored with some wing nuts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

So there is that.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
15. Lets not forget that she was the spearhead against cartoon violence
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

in Video Games.
I found this ironic because at the same time, she helped Bush invade Iraq and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis in the most violent way possible...men, women, and children.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
14. One term Senator, Terrible SOS
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

Apparently that's the most qualified candidate in the history of America I am told.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
22. lol
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

I retract everything I said based on this new development. Last time I checked, terms are terms.. Not fractional.

Response to SheenaR (Reply #14)

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
19. We expect you to have done your own homework if you had planned to vote.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

If you had asked for my opinion of her as a candidate in your OP, I would have answered.
If you choose to do another OP with that subject I would be happy to reply.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
23. Those links show me that you really didnt try to find out what she'd done.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

You did post a few things to support your narrative though. Well done you!

I have been working on something, and I'll be happy to point you to it after I post.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
44. a quick link to what she has done is most appreciated
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

But, don't bother with the bills that talk about naming statues and dedicating buildings, etc.

TIA!!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
30. There isn't anything condescending about expecting someone to research candidates before making
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

a vote. I would never take someone else's word about what a candidate stands for, or has accomplished.
I don't understand how someone can make a choice without doing their homework.

The very fact that there is so much misinformation posted again and again and again is due to the fact that people don't dig in and find the facts.

I do my homework.
If I want to know what OTHERS think about an issue or a candidate, I ask questions about what they THINK.
And I have here, and GDP'ers were very helpful in answering my questions. But I would never base my judgment on what someone else says a candidate has done.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
53. Actually, yes. There is.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

Inherent in this claim is that the person asking the question is lazy or otherwise inferior to yourself.

Considering they provided links to stories, it's obvious they actually did do research, but you don't like the results of that research. But instead of providing any information to contradict their research, you demand they go find sources you like....while not providing any criteria for what "acceptable" sources are.

Congress.gov shows Clinton introduced a tiny number of bills. The only ones that passed were trivial, like renaming a post office. If you want to claim the candidate who "gets things done" actually got something done, you're going to have to bring more than attitude when you make a post.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
32. well, here are a few things
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

expanded health coverage for millions of children

help to get health care for the 9/11 responders

expanded health care and family leave for military families

negotiated a cease fire between Israel and Hamas

just off the top of my head,

here's some more listed here, http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/

◾Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.
◾She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.
◾She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
◾Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
◾She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
◾At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
◾She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
◾Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
◾Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
◾ Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
◾Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.
◾Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.
◾Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.
◾The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
42. Thank you - I will look it over. Not being snarky, I do want to know....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

if she is the nominee I will want to be able to defend her against the repugs.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
37. In fairness, some of the things a SoS does will 'land' during the tenure of the next person to
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Feb 2016

hold the office.

Dividends don't pay out instantly in that game.

And that's the nicest thing I've said about Hillary in months.

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
39. So what exactly has Bernie accomplished?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

Um, he went to a civil rights demonstration once. Talks a bunch about single payer, but can't make the math work, and it never got done in his home state, either. Talks a bunch of shit about Democrats, then suddenly became one when it suited his ambitions.

Hmmmm, did I miss anything?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
40. I provided a link for people to read of Bernie's accomplishments.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

btw - Bernie was not a state legislator when they tried to pass single payer.

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
50. Oh please!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

The OP was just a taped together mess of random links and leading questions. Y'all should sign up for Gish Gallopers Anonymous

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