Deeply Offensive: Clinton Supporters Mock Iraq War with Drinking Game

[Cheese Sandwich]

NATIONAL (VFB) – In a brief moment of clarity, supporters of Hillary Clinton have revealed their genuine disdain for military men and women, and are now mocking Bernie Sanders for his vote against the invasion of Iraq (which Clinton voted in favor of).

Since the 2003 invasion,   4,486 Americans have died  in Iraq, over 500,000 Iraqis have been killed, and  ISIS now controls the entire region.  Clinton has admitted that her Iraq vote was a huge mistake.  And yet, in an effort to belittle Sanders, her supporters have shamelessly turned the very mention of“Iraq” into a home drinking game for their own amusement.

A lot more worth reading. This writer is seriously ticked:
http://vetsforbernie.org/2016/02/clinton-fans-mock-iraq-vote/

[dchill]

1. I certainly have no respect...

for those Clinton supporters. I'm sure they're not ALL so callous.

[roguevalley]

54. for her it's a biz opportunity

[dchill]

62. A bizzunity.

[onecaliberal]

2. She only cares about corps banks and WallStreet, not the canon fodder she sent to war.

[tex-wyo-dem]

74. Neocon...

Libya, Syria, Iraq

Three countries, amoung others, who were in the crosshairs of the neocon gang back in the '90s. part of their grand plan for domination over the worlds fossil fuel resources.

Makes you wonder what a POTUS Hillary would do with the Iran agreement.

[Cheese Sandwich]

98. They want it all.

[Cheese Sandwich]

99. Some people have no value for human life when corporate profits are at stake

[jfern]

3. They're fine with $2 trillion wars that lead to ISIS

as long as Democrats support it.

[polly7]

19. Lots and LOTS of money to be made with weapons deals.

Maybe they have stock in those companies?

[ALBliberal]

4. Unacceptable. Nt

[Bread and Circus]

5. Those quotes are definitely in poor taste.

[fun n serious]

6. I have never supported that illegal war!

1 supporter does not speak for all of us. Please stop making us out to be calloused evil people. We're not!

[AtheistCrusader]

80. Your sig line is unfortunate in threads like this one.

Especially given her vote on the war.

[fun n serious]

82. She was Senator of NY ( where 9-11 happened)

She was lied to by the Bush admin and SHE had to vote how her constituents would have expexted. Besides, Bush went against the UN he was going to do it no matter what. Americans are violent by history and nature.

[JonLeibowitz]

83. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that part of being a U.S. Senator involved being a

rubberstamp for the bloodlust revenge of some of your constituents, and that that excuses a vote that others correctly made, and for prescient reasons.

[fun n serious]

84. Ultimately the blood shed lies on BUSH nt

[Downwinder]

85. Ultimately the blood shed lies on all of us!

[AtheistCrusader]

122. Yep.

some of it even with us who said 'no'. Sadly.

[AtheistCrusader]

121. A larger percentage, yes.

But not all of it.

[AtheistCrusader]

120. Everyone was lied to by the Bush admin.

Not everyone fell for it.

[arcane1]

134. Some knew they were lies all along, and repeated them anyway.

The names Clinton and Kerry come to mind.

[arcane1]

132. You think she actually fell for Bush's lies??? She was actually fooled by George W. Bush???

[fun n serious]

140. She was Senator of NY ( where 9-11 happened) !!!! nt

[arcane1]

141. That's not an answer, that's an excuse.

There were plenty of people actually in New York during 9/11 that didn't fall for Bush's lies.

If simply being a Senator makes her a credulous idiot, that's not exactly a compliment

[Oilwellian]

165. This is how I remember NY at the time

[Luminous Animal]

144. Tell me what Iraq had to do with 911 again? We already attacked Afghanistan didn't we?

[arcane1]

151. Everything old is new again, if that's what it takes to defend Clinton n/t

[fun n serious]

154. NOTHING nt

It was an evil lie by Bush and co

[smiley]

176. and she was either stupid enough to fall for it....

or complicit in the lie. Neither is someone I want as president.

[Bluenorthwest]

155. And yet 10 NY Democratic House Members voted No on the Iraq War Resolution. How can that be?

They were all from NY (where it happened!!) and still they voted no because 9-11 was not really connected to Iraq, was it? No, it wasn't.
9-11 hit New Jersey hard as well, many NJ residents killed across that little river. One of the two NJ Democratic Senators voted No. Why? Iraq and 9-11 were unrelated.

[Matt_in_STL]

89. And yet some supposed "Bernie Bros" represent all Bernie supporters

Sorry. You and all the classless Hillary supporters own this too. It's what she, and you have created. As a vet I am appalled by the whole lot of you.

[VulgarPoet]

111. Preach.

[SamKnause]

7. There are assholes in every group on every side.

Some assholes are just bigger than others.

This is an example of real assholery.

[C Moon]

50. I agree with you. I'm with Bernie...

but I don't this kind of assholery is a fair sample of how Clinton supporters think.

[PonyUp]

8. Trust Hillary! After all, she did come under sniper fire.

[JaneyVee]

9. Complete BS.

[mindwalker_i]

25. As usual, you just blindly support you gal

Deny anything bad about her or her supporters, provide no information. Just, "Clinton farts unicorn who, in turn, fart rainbows and thus every yacht is lifted.

You could be replaces with a simple Perl program:

while(1) { print "Clinton is goodn"; }

That would provide exactly as much information and analysis as you provide and as such, would carry the same informational content. It seems likely that you generate a whole lot more entropy in the process, so the above program is a lot more efficient. You could do the environment a lot of good by substituting the above program for yourself.

On edit, changed 'n' to 'n'.

[JonLeibowitz]

35. How careless, you forgot the n ! And yes, you have captured the spirit of some of these posters ;)

[mindwalker_i]

37. Oh shit, I missed an 'n'?

Where!? Where did the little fucker go! I'll kick its ass!

Actually, I see where I added an "n", but I don't see where I missed one. And in the interest of full disclosure, I have been drinking

[JonLeibowitz]

38. Actually I am sure you entered the backslash correctly, as did I in my post

It seems that DU doesn't display backslashes properly.

Surely it cannot be relied on for the more exotic characters in that special character soup that is Perl

[mindwalker_i]

39. Yeah, I even tried to correc tit

DU is messing with my (inebriated) head Dereference this, beeotch!

[tblue37]

46. Maybe check your subject line, heh heh heh. nt

[mindwalker_i]

64. That Would be hard

It is seriously hsrd tp type.
'n stuff.

[cui bono]

30. How so? Please elaborate. n/t

[mindwalker_i]

42. Good luck with that

Hillary supporters aren't the most articulate.

[msongs]

10. hillary obviously told these people to do this so it could be exposed on DU lol nt

[PonyUp]

12. If she knew she wouldn't give a shit. She wouldn't even say Cut It Out. nt

[passiveporcupine]

53. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of this shit

the lack of respect shown by Clinton supporters is beyond repugnant and enough for me to lose all respect for their candidate

Only I'm not going where you think I am with this.

Blaming the candidate for everything negative done by people who claim to support that candidate.

It happens on both sides and it's not the candidate's fault.

I don't know what Clinton would do if she saw these tweets, and neither do you.

One thing I do know, is if these Hillary supporters are making his words into a drinking game to ridicule Bernie when he points out the different between himself and Hillary on important decisions like war...they are scared of this difference. Otherwise, they could care less what he says.

They are trying to laugh it off because they know it might hurt Hillary a lot, so they try to belittle his words, and him.

Put it in that perspective and maybe it won't make everyone so angry.

[NanceGreggs]

76. FFS!!!!

The (alleged) game is about how often BS raises the topic of the Iraq War - it has nothing to do with what he says about it, what he did about it, how he voted - nothing.

Do you really think that when people get together to play a drinking game it's about "belittling Bernie"? To what end? To influence the political thinking of the friends they're playing a drinking game with?

"Ya know, I was a staunch Bernie supporter, until I got together with the gang for a drinking game. Completely turned me around."

Are you serious?

[mhatrw]

169. I'll drink to the Iraq War!

Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:43 AM - Edit history (1)

Don't worry. Nobody really cares what Hillary does with her cool drinking buddies such as John McCain and Henry Kissinger.

[NanceGreggs]

174. So I guess all of the posters here ...

... who laughed at the "take a shot whenever Guiliani mentions 9/11" game were drinking to the Twin Towers coming down.

Right. Got it.

[Major Hogwash]

103. Don't forget about Libya.

"We came, we saw, he died."

There's a lot of compassion there, if you're a heartless dictator.

[passiveporcupine]

139. Yes, she does herself enough harm

I have no problem with putting blame where it belongs.

[cui bono]

15. Your comment seems to indicate that you think it's funny? n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. You think it's funny too? Actually Hillary herself has a tendency to laugh at war and death.

So it's not surprising her supporters feel the same.

What are some of those videos where Hillary was laughing so inappropriately? Wasn't it about nuking Iran or something? Real funny.

[Petrushka]

63. Somethng like this --->

Edited to add: Why it isn't funny ---> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=1

[Merryland]

129. Oh my God this is horrible

how far have we come down as a nation that someone like this could be considered presidential.

[arcane1]

152. If George Bush had said that, DU would be unanimous in its disapproval n/t

[Lifelong Protester]

11. Reprehensible.

[jillan]

13. Horrible.

[cui bono]

14. Wow, what assholes.

But then I guess the supporters don't fall far from the tree.

.

[onenote]

17. Bernie supporter here: this seems like a tempest in a teapot

First, there are assholes amongst the supporters of all campaigns.

Second, it strikes me as having no more impact than the drinking games that were often promoted amongst Democrats (including here at DU) during the Bush years, when any mention of 9-11 required you to take a drink. I could see how some people might think that was insensitive but I don't recall it becoming much of a story.

[Skittles]

59. a critical thinker!

[PersonNumber503602]

79. Pretty much how I see it too.

[Agschmid]

94. Yup.

[giftedgirl77]

110. Yes indeed.

[Cheese Sandwich]

115. Iraq is a political difference that should be brought up

Not a gimmick someone is hiding behind.

People used to hide behind 911 to justify all manner of unrelated polcies.

[jeff47]

124. When there is a constant effort by Clinton supporters on DU

to conflate assholes with all Sanders supporters, then they are going to have the same thing with their own assholes.

If the Clinton supporters want to now claim the assholes are not representative, they need to stop making that claim about Sanders supporters.

[Dem2]

128. An eye for an eye

leaves the whole world blind.

It's never a good argument when "but they do it" is contained in the argument.

[jeff47]

130. If they want to set these terms for the debate, we will use them.

Or do you think hypocrisy is a positive trait?

[Dem2]

131. Who is the "they"?

Isn't that the problem, you don't actually know who "they" are?

[jeff47]

135. Well....I was talking about Clinton supporters and what they were doing.

So clearly I must have no clue what "they" refers to.

Oh wait! I can actually follow a thread and don't get lost when pronouns show up.

[Dem2]

137. OK

Yes, very funny.

You still assume more than I do.

[mhatrw]

171. Winner!

You win this thread!

[Dem2]

126. Thank you

I don't get threads like this.

Characterizing all supporters of one candidate by the actions of a few knuckleheads is not in our best interest.

[mhatrw]

170. Except nobody voted for 9/11. nt

[Buzz cook]

18. I sure would like to know the context.

Could it be that Sanders supporters blame the war on Clinton, and her supporters are tired of that lie? Could it be that Bernie is playing off that and trowing red meat to his fan base?

Could it be that this has nothing to do with the troops or the war and everything to do with Clinton's opponents playing politics with the war?

[cui bono]

20. Nice to see you are so limber!

[Buzz cook]

24. It comes from dodging

All the shit Sanders supporters on the internet throw.

I thought conservatives were outrage merchants. Well they ain't got nothing on Sanders' people.

[cui bono]

26. I'd love to buy you a mirror, tell me where to send it.

If you personally don't need it, give it to another Hillary supporter who does.

I don't see how this OP has anything to do with any shit flinging by Bernie supporters, can you explain?

.

[dchill]

29. Thanks for that!

[Buzz cook]

58. Explained in my first post

Shit such as this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1355553

[cui bono]

68. That has nothing to do with the OP. What is shit flinging in the OP?

And for every link you give me that you consider shit flinging from Bernie supporters I can give you at least 2 from Hillary supporters. Plus I can give you links to 2 websites by Hillary supporters that were set up for the sole purpose of shit flinging and spewing vile hatred. So you can save that false accusations. I see you do need that mirror after all.

Now back to the OP. What is it about the OP that is shit flinging?

.

[Buzz cook]

160. I doubt you'll understand.

One, there is no context to the OP. Yet the OP and the majority of the Bernie respondents assume that the intent is disrespect for the military and a cruel disregard for the Iraq invasion.

That my friend is two things.
It is an attempt at being an outrage merchant and/or it is an argument from ignorance.

There are many more explanations for those tweets although none of them are friendly to Bernie many if not most of them have nothing to do with denigrating anyone else.

But the Bernie supporters aren't interested in finding out what really motivated those people when they can pretend to be outraged by their own interpretation.

It is shit flinging to take an act or statement out of context, put the worst spin on it, and use that invented "truth" to attack ones adversaries.

It's what the media and conservatives did to Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama in past elections. It is also what Bill Bradley and Nader did in 2000 and now what Bernie's supporters are doing in 2016.

In short the OP is making shit up and flinging it.

[cui bono]

161. I don't need an explanation of what shit flinging is, I wanted your example of it in the OP.

So what is the context that is missing? Can you provide it? Did you see the tweets? Looks pretty clear to me what's going on. If it's not accurate then please show it. Not a generalization of what shit flinging means, but the actual shit flinging you are accusing the OP of being.

.

[Buzz cook]

163. Like I said I doubt you'd understand

And that prediction came through in flying colors.

Have a nice life and remember to vote.

[cui bono]

164. So you don't have an example of it in the OP.

And can't show the context that you claim is missing.

Oh well. Nice of you to try and hide that with condescension.

.

[autonomous]

96. And like "Dodging sniper fire" its entirely made up

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. It's about Clinton "playing politics" when she voted for and backed the war.

[Buzz cook]

162. Guilty of play politics

Not of backing the war.

First the AUMF was not an authorization to invade without cause. Bush ignored most of the provisions of the AUMF most importantly by not letting the weapons inspectors continue their work.
He invaded in spite of the AUMF not because of it.

The politics part was the main failure. The democrats were being lambasted in the media and by the republicans for being unpatriotic. Given that it was part of the media narrative, it looked as if there was no way for the democrats to make headway in the 2002 mid-terms.
So the democratic leadership (wrongly) decided to draw the fangs of the anti-American narrative by throwing a bone to the media. That bone was the AUMF.
We know now that it didn't work. The media and conservatives still played the anti-American narrative against the democrats and Bush wrongly used the AUMF as an excuse to invade. The result was losses in the 2002 bi-election.

Clinton was one of many democrats that voted for the AUMF, but not one of the members of the leadership that conceived of it as ploy.

Once the invasion was a fait accompli most people fell into "support the troops" mode, including Bernie Sanders. That was a bad political move as well.

The AUMF failed as a political ploy because it did not take into consideration the purfidy of the American media and how invested the media was in promoting war. It also didn't take into consideration how rash and stupid the Bush administration would be in invading a country without cause.
In hindsight it's easy to see and at the time there were people pointing out both things. I was one of them, but none of those people had the power to change events, especially with the media being against them.

So my point? A failed political gambit is not the same as an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. Clinton and the rest of the democratic leadership failed, but it was George W. Bush that invaded.
What would have happened if there was no AUMF and the democrats had stood up to he media and Bush? We don't know.
I suspect the end result would have been the same.

So why are those people making drinking games about Bernie's mentions of his vote? I don't know. But a possible explanation is that they consider it to be a dog whistle blaming Hillary Clinton for starting the war. If that is what they believe then their actions are understandable.

[Arazi]

21. HRC laughs at war and death. So this is entirely expected

by her supporters

[malletgirl02]

22. I have to be honest

At first I didn't believe you, because I couldn't believe such assholary was possible, but then I click on the article and saw it had screenshots of the post from mocking Iraq. The truth is I don't want to believe it, but I can't ignore the evidence.

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. They don't think the Iraq war was a big deal apparently.

They think it's just a political issue, not a life or death issue for millions of people.

[malletgirl02]

32. The problem

is that they are in a bubble. They probably don't know someone they close with who is or was in the military. They also don't know the devastation the war has wrought on the people of Iraq, and they ignore the vast consequences the Iraq war had on the entire Middle East.

[Downwinder]

23. Tyson Manker

candidate for State’s Attorney in Morgan County Illinois.

http://votemanker.com/meet-tyson/

[Cheese Sandwich]

33. That's good to know

Thanks for that

[Kip Humphrey]

113. This guy should be running for Congress!

[Downwinder]

123. Reading about him, i think he will end up there.

He seams to be cleaning houses on his way. There is a lot of cleaning to be done between State's Attorney and U.S. Congressman. There is a donation link on his site, if I had some disposable income I would contribute.

[mindwalker_i]

27. Maybe Hillary could do a skit

... where she looks under a table, "Nope, no dead soldiers here," then looks under a desk and says, "No dead soldiers under this," and then looks out the window...

It's pretty funny, and not just a bit sad, that now Clinton supporters are, in effect, Bush supporters.

[SoapBox]

31. So disgusting...

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. cluess privelege?

Just guessing.

[malletgirl02]

40. They are completely insulated

from the cost of the Iraq war. They might as well made their status, "let them eat cake".

[amborin]

34. horrible, but not unexpected

[jmowreader]

41. The writer is full of shit, and he knows it

What we are mocking is Bernie's parrot-like "Iraq War! Iraq War!" attacks. And guess what: They SHOULD be attacked!

I would love to be Hillary at the next debate...

"Hillary voted for the Iraq War!"
'Yes, Bernie, I did. It was the biggest mistake I ever made and I've apologized for it repeatedly. Now let's talk about something that's REALLY important: What funding sources are you going to tap into when it turns out your health care plan calculations are $3 trillion too low?"

[Downwinder]

44. Read his bio.

http://votemanker.com/meet-tyson/

Think there is an email address. Take it up with him personally.

[jmowreader]

57. (Very good comment deleted due to Sanders supporters' constant acts of censorship)

[malletgirl02]

61. How about Clinton supporters

constant acts of censorship? Also as for your commenting being a very good one I guess I will have to take your word for it.

[Major Hogwash]

107. I may be wrong here, but . . .

. . . aren't you from Idaho?

Obama took Idaho back in 2008.
And it was the Iraq War, and Hillary's support for that war, which was why Obama won in this state.

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. Heaven forbid politicians should be held accountable for repeated "bad judgement"

I don't think it was a mistake in the first place. How the fuck do you mistakenly invade and occupy a country for 12 years?

People who make those "mistakes" shouldn't be rewarded with higher office.

[Thespian2]

55. And don't forget all her other

War Hawk mistakes...as in Libya...where she took get joy in murder...

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Well you go on ahead and do that

as a wife of an Iraq war veteran...you guys are really going to win converts making fun of vets... and a bad policy decision.

[That Guy 888]

66. Politics isn't a game, I understand people like to talk about it like it is, but the consequences

are very real.

It's disgusting that you defend this.

I put on par with Sandy Hook "truthers".

[Cheese Sandwich]

117. Except that's not what she says.

She just brushes it off like it was a minor issue.

[Maedhros]

158. There are those who are against war and all of its misery and destruction.

Then there are Hillary supporters, who criticize those people.

/ignore your bullshit.

[pkdu]

43. They were mocking Bernie...but please , keep making shit up

Poor taste possibly , but not making fun of vets or war.

[Cheese Sandwich]

95. For voting against an illegal catastrophic war

And then daring to raise it as a political issue.

We haven't talked about it nearly enough.

[Nyan]

45. This is the kind of lack of empathy you expect from republicans.

Bernie has addressed internet trolls. Will Hillary address these people? Will media ask her questions about this? Don't hold your breath.

[malletgirl02]

48. Republicans

Now that you mentioned Republicans the Iraq war drinking game reminds me of the purple heart band aids used to mock Kerry during the 2004 election.

[Cheese Sandwich]

100. not exactly the same but a similar tactic.

[Thespian2]

49. Those who engage in such pathetic behavior

would, of course, back the most pathetic, non-progressive candidate...

[NanceGreggs]

51. From reading the link ...

... and assuming this is even factual, it's a drinking game based on how often Bernie brings up the fact that he voted against the IWR. It has nothing to do with the actual war itself.

I remember posters here laughing about a similar game that involved taking a drink every time Guiliani mentioned 9/11 when he was running for the GOP candidacy. Are you seriously suggesting that that game was premised on mocking the victims of that event?

[Cheese Sandwich]

60. it's not the same at all.

Hillary has repeatedly supported forcible regime change in middle east countries: Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Thanks to those policies the whole fucking middle east is now crawling with terrorists. Bad fucking move.

She also has on more than one occasion laughed really innapropriately when asked about matters of war and death in over there. She said Iraqi's should be grateful we gave them the "gift of freedom". She pals around with Kissinger and said Iraq is now a great business opportunity.

Yes the Iraq War is very relevant and important. Only assholes laugh at Senator Sanders for talking about Iraq.

[NanceGreggs]

69. It's a drinking game ...

... that is allegedly being played. I doubt that Hillary is playing it herself - so what she has to do with what her supporters allegedly do is beyond me.

As I've already pointed out, it's not about IRAQ - it's about how often Bernie brings up the topic of Iraq.

And as I have also already pointed out, many posters here laughed at the "Take-a-shot every time Guiliani mentions 9/11 game". So it IS the same thing, unless you're saying that they were all laughing at the people who died in that tragedy.

[malletgirl02]

70. So what Clinton supporters

supporters are doing has nothing to do with her? Well Clinton supporters and the media was blaming Sanders for the Bernie Bros.

[NanceGreggs]

75. Why did you feel the need to change the subject?

Do you think that the DU posters here who laughed at the "Take a shot every time Guiliani mentions 9/11" game were laughing at the people who died on 9/11?

It's a simple question. Yes or no?

[djean111]

90. Only Hillary's supporters are allowed to change the subject, attack the messenger, thread-jack, and

replay with an inane non-sequitur or smilies! Didn't you get the memo? Just read this thread to see what I mean!

[AzDar]

52. Jesus.

[Beacool]

65. After reading the attachment, it appears that they were making fun of Sanders, not the war.

Every time he is asked a foreign policy question in a debate he falls back to his usual response that he didn't vote for the war in Iraq. It's like Giuliani and 9/11.

[SunSeeker]

81. Yep. Another faux outrage DU jour. nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

97. Mocking Senator Sanders for talking about the Iraq war catastrope.

It's how Hillary fans roll.

You're OK with it.

[Beacool]

138. Oh please, stop with the fake outrage.

[Bluenorthwest]

156. Tell you what Beacool, Hillary has often cited Jesus and the Bible as her reasons for opposing LGBT

equality. Jesus said this about those who make peace:
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

This game, the best excuse for it you have it that it mocks a man for trying to make peace.
I have big, giant issues with people who say 'The Bible is my guide so no gay rights' who then do something like mock the peacemakers whom Jesus set apart for praise specific to their peace seeking actions. They will be called the children of God but also made fun of by those who claim to 'follow Jesus'.


So what you are saying is they were 'just' shitting on the words of the Christ to make fun of peacemakers in support of a candidate who claims to be a big, giant Christian. Got it.

[JoeyT]

67. ITT: The same people that regularly throw fits about so-called "Berniebros"

insisting that a few supporters don't represent everyone.

[malletgirl02]

71. Why should

Clinton supporters be given the benefit of the doubt in regards to this travesty when all Bernie supporters were tarred as "Bernie Bros" by Clinton supporters and the media? I even saw a post here implying Bernie supporters were like the Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution in China.

[JoeyT]

118. That's what I meant by that.

The people that insist a handful of Sanders supporters totally represent all Sanders supporters, and even Sanders himself sometimes, are the ones insisting it doesn't work that way for them.

[Betty Karlson]

72. If this is their attitude, then I will refuse to vote for Clinton. Ever.

For much the same reason that the bandaids mocking Kerry's purple heart should have turned anyone still in doubt, away from G.W. Bush.

[LovingA2andMI]

73. How Disgusting...

[highprincipleswork]

77. They seem to laugh at all things serious. More the pity, for the Party, for the country.

Perhaps they take as a role model Hillary, who finds time to laugh at the most inopportune times, enough so that commercials are already being made about it.

Wish it really was funny where we are today.

[senz]

86. Wonder if any of them have ever been in the service?

[Downwinder]

87. Doubt it.

If so they never served in a combat zone before they got separated.

[VulgarPoet]

114. Two words. Hell no. nt

[Cobalt Violet]

88. nasty people!

I they a least had hang over, but really bringing back the draft would be better.

[VulgarPoet]

116. Why not do the Israel thing.

Mandatory military service at 18. Teach our people that we aren't some chip to be used in games of political one-upsmanship and interventionism. Maybe foster some better politicians while we're at it.

[jeff47]

125. Because that many soldiers WILL be put to use. (nt)

[VulgarPoet]

136. ...Shit, good point.

[MisterP]

168. hasn't worked in Israel

[MrMickeysMom]

91. For the Clinton Drink-Gamers... Wake the fuck up...

When you can't glean anything but a reason to drink for your hearing Sanders talk about his ability to make a decision NOT to support that mistake, you have a decision to make:

1) You can treat this election like it's some kind of game, and bury any cognitive process of why these issues must be examined.

2) Or, you can stop this excuse for blacking out in a half hour, as some of you are want to do, according to your tweets. Just take the whole bottle or keg and crawl into it, curl up and go to sleep forever...

Eventually, as some of you are bound to find, it matters what we do for the rest of our lives. It matters to deal with where most of the U.S. budget has gone and for what reason. We tell our strongest and hardest working young people who go into the military that how they lay their lives on the line is nothing but a drinking game.

Tell that to somebody in your family that was given to order to go into another country and occupy it for the huge dollars lining military industrialists, or oil and gas giants under the direction of Dick Cheney.

You want to get drunk until you can't deal with reality, until you HAVE to deal with reality? Reality is here. I don't care how many times you hear the issues. THEY ARE WITH US.

Deal with it.

[Cheese Sandwich]

104. well said thank you.

[LexVegas]

92. They're making fun of Sanders. nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

93. so you would play the game? that's interesting.

[LexVegas]

106. Maybe change it up to how many times he says "Wall Street!" or "Big Banks!". nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

119. It's hilarious millions of people lost their homes, jobs and life savings because of

the reckless greed of your big banks and Wall Street dipshits.

Hahahahha. Point and laugh at the guy who raises the issue in politics. Hahaha.

/sarcasm

True colors. Hillary supporters are showing them.

[betsuni]

101. Deeply offensive:

"Scalia is dead! This is no longer a game. Hillary must be stopped." Who is drinking what?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

102. So you're saying today and tomorrow we should all be saying and writing IRAQ over and over again,

so that Clinton supporters will all be so blitzed they can't vote?

[Cheese Sandwich]

108. Iraq iraq iraq iraq iraq

[tazkcmo]

105. This game is small potatoes

Compared to mean ol' "Berniebros" that keep on quoting HRC to make her look bad. After all, this was just a war where people died, lost limbs, friends, family, their sanity etc.

Always remember: Service members are simply fodder to be used by politicians to gain credibility, wealth and influence while said politician's reputation is sacrosanct.











sarcasm

[Cheese Sandwich]

109. I can see why people would be bothered by this game

Your post hit the nail on the head.

[tazkcmo]

112. Thank you.

This is disgusting. However, I don't let the actions of a candidate's supporters sway my opinion of the candidate and I can honestly say that my opinion of candidate Clinton does not change due to the cold hearted, war hawking, regime change loving players of this game.

[kgnu_fan]

127. K&R

[arcane1]

133. They will adopt ANY POSITION if it can score a few points.

Any position.

"Support the Troops" was just a slogan, after all.

[karynnj]

142. Stupid, but very much the nature of the drinking games

Iraq is a point that Sanders - correctly - brings up often. I also suspect that when he does, most Clinton supporters react viscerally, because I think all of us here wish no Democrats voted Yes -- no matter what they said or did afterward.

Trivializing Sander's mentioning of it is perhaps a strange way of dealing with that. The problem I have is how it fits into Clinton's entire foreign policy. It is not an aberration, but actually the norm. Consider that in 2006, she was furious with Kerry and Feingold for their resolution because she and Senators allied with her argued that the Democrats were better off not making any exit from Iraq an issue. It was after 2006 became a referendum on Iraq and even Republicans like Hagel and John Warner returned from visits to Iraq move open to the idea and a study group pretty much backed the idea, that Clinton's 2008 platform changed to a variation of it.

As SoS, using her own book and her own interviews, she was a hawkish influence in Obama's cabinet. She pushed for an even greater surge in Afghanistan, the action in Libya, and still argues that they should have done more for the "moderate" Syrians and STILL speaks up for a Syrian no fly zone - even after the Russians were there. She wisely played with the question of whether we would shot a Russian plane down that violated that zone -- unlike Christie, but given that ISIS has no planes -- the no fly zone would have to be against Syria and now Russia.

Given that she will not have a Democratic House and anywhere near 60 Democrats in the Senate, it is on foreign policy that she would have the most ability to do things she wants. My question to HRC supporters, is are you in agreement with Clinton on foreign policy?

- ie did you support the Libya effort morphing from protecting people from a massacre to regime change? Do you support a no fly zone in Syria and further arming the "moderate" rebels? DO you agree with HRC second guessing Obama years later about leaving Iraq according to the approved Bush plan - even knowing we could not get a SoFA?

For the years as SOS, we have the luxury of knowing her actual positions -- not the constrained choice of yes or no on a bill where your real answer is yes, but or no, but. Some of those positions, we know from what she wrote in her memoir - they represent at least what she thought was the correct position in 2013/2014.

It is that question, more than a silly drinking game that supposedly some supporters play, that should be the issue. Will she takes us internationally where we want to go?

[John Poet]

143. I guess the funny part here is how Bernie voted against the war,

but Hillary got her war anyway. "Take a drink!"

Hillary supporters seem concerned ONLY with winning. Being on the right side of progressive issues means little to them, as long as they get their president.

[artislife]

145. It is all fun and games when you don't see some as human. nt

[bettyellen]

146. People here did the same thing with 9/11. Bernie leans on the "Iraq" response too frequently, and

unfortunately, this country isn't as anti-war on the whole as to make that a viable response.

[Beacool]

147. Foreign policy is not Sanders' forte.

In almost every debate when he's asked about foreign policy his standard response has been that he didn't vote for the war in Iraq. After a while people started counting how many times he kept saying it. That's what's funny. Just like with Giuliani and his fallback response of how he handled the aftermath of 9/11. Obviously, neither subject is funny. What's funny is how often these two politicians fell back on their respective memes. Sort of like Rubio bashing Obama using the same line of attack so often that Christie called him out on it during a Republican debate.

The fake outrage over here is also highly amusing in its disingenuity.

[bettyellen]

148. That is what it is about. To pretend it is celebrating the war is so very dishonest.

The other huge lie- trying to bash Clinton on "compromising" on abortion rights is so crazy I can't figure out if
people spreading it are actually progressive. I have to think they are not. From where I sit, we don't lie about important shit like that.

[Beacool]

149. At this point it's frustration.

Some of his supporters can't imagine why would anyone not prefer Sanders. Steady as she goes wins the race, I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee.

[bettyellen]

150. Well it ain;t about "integrity" for too many here. Luckily, in real life I think it is.

[Bluenorthwest]

157. It is not celebrating the way, it's minimizing the war and mocking those who sought peace, all of

this to support a candidate who voted for that horrible war in between citing the Bible as reason for her to oppose LGBT civil rights. The Bible, Jesus himself says 'Blessed are the peacemakers, they will be called the children of God'. So Hillary, she follows the Bible to oppose people, but her supporters think it's ok to mock the peacemakers? How does that work exactly? Is there a copy of the Hillary Functional Bible I can get so I know when stuff like 'Blessed are the peacemakers' is replaced with materials about 'taking pot shots at peacemakers while chugging boilermakers'?

[bettyellen]

159. As a NYer I was not thrilled that DUers made a drinking game of 9/11. But it was not a celebration

of 9/11, nor is this one of the Iraq war. That is bullshit, and I suspect the OP knows it.

[Major Hogwash]

175. Let me get this straight, Bernie votes against the Iraq War . . .

But, but, but, Hillary votes FOR the war . . . and then you say foreign policy is not Bernie's forte.

That statement is so rich with irony, you should open an irony mine!!!!

[EndElectoral]

153. Repulsive

[Ferd Berfel]

166. That's the mentality required to support her.

[ozone_man]

167. Can the world afford to have a president

who helped give us Iraq, Lybia, and Syria atrocities? I hope not. She and Kissinger are of the same thing ilk. Let's go beyond war!

[Warren DeMontague]

172. Its alright. I know people who smoke a bowl every time Hillary deflects a pot legalization question

With something about "the heroin crisis"

[mhatrw]

173. And Clinton has said nothing about this!

That obviously means that she approves of this wholeheartedly!

I like her, but her unremittingly callous and inhuman supporters will be her downfall!