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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:00 PM Feb 2016

Vermont's Times Argus newspaper endorses Clinton.

Yesterday. Excerpts:

Bernie Sanders appears poised for a runaway victory in the Vermont presidential primary on Tuesday, an extraordinary outcome in an extraordinary year during which he has mounted a serious and substantive challenge to the front-runner, Hillary Clinton. This paper, nevertheless, endorses Clinton for president.

This endorsement rests on Clinton’s breadth of experience and her proven commitment to those many issues where she shares a progressive outlook with Sanders. The very notion of political experience has taken on a negative connotation in this surprising year because voters associate it with compromise and corruption. But outsider status, which Sanders has always enjoyed, does not automatically confer wisdom or ability. Clinton’s experience as a hard-working, policy-oriented senator and a secretary of state who restored the good name of the United States weighs heavily in her favor.

...The contest between Clinton and Sanders has been framed as a choice between pragmatism and idealism, between incrementalism and boldness. Framing it that way oversells what Sanders offers. Fighting for health care reform, as Clinton has done for a quarter century, has been an exercise in idealism. It has been a long, difficult fight against powerful entrenched interests. The Clinton administration didn’t succeed in the 1990s. The Obama administration has made significant progress, and Clinton is right to underscore the importance of that victory.

It’s easy to hold out the promise of grand solutions. On Sanders’ part these would include a Medicare-for-all, single-payer health care system and free college for everybody. These are lofty and worthy goals; Medicare-for-all was Ted Kennedy’s idea. But Clinton is willing to be square with the American people in acknowledging that getting to those goals would be a step-by-step process, requiring the kind of painstaking work she did as a senator.

....As the leader of a movement he has been a great success. As president of all the people, he is not the best choice. It is argued by frustrated progressives that President Barack Obama was too willing to compromise and so he didn’t achieve all he could have done. But Obama has been president not just of Vermont and Cambridge and Berkeley. He has been president of South Carolina and Kentucky and Alabama. It was never going to be easy, and it is unclear whether a more ideologically extreme approach on his part would have achieved more. As it is, his methods have made him, perhaps, the most effective president since Franklin Roosevelt.

Meanwhile, Clinton’s foreign policy experience is a plus, though not without failures of judgment. We do not need a foreign policy neophyte in office in this dangerous time.
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Vermont's Times Argus newspaper endorses Clinton. (Original Post) kstewart33 Feb 2016 OP
Whoa, that has to hurt lunamagica Feb 2016 #1
Interesting. How important is this paper in Vermont? yardwork Feb 2016 #2
of course clinton supporters rush to post Robbins Feb 2016 #3
Excuse me? I NEVER said that all of Vermont is racist yardwork Feb 2016 #5
plenty of clinton supporters have Robbins Feb 2016 #6
That's not what you said. Apologise and delete that personal attack. yardwork Feb 2016 #8
Like you guys have Robbins Feb 2016 #11
Ok, here's what I AM saying about you. yardwork Feb 2016 #15
And the results are in.. retrowire Feb 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #18
No one has. That is just a straw man built for obvious reasons. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #10
Ouch. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #4
Great endorsement that makes some excellent points. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #7
Whoa! Spazito Feb 2016 #9
Ooooo ... that's fantastic! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #12
It echo's my own feelings. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #13
I completely agree... Spazito Feb 2016 #14
Ouch. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #16
Kick yardwork Feb 2016 #19
Breaking news!!!!! pdsimdars Feb 2016 #20
There is a problem with your OP, a technical one... Spazito Feb 2016 #21

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
3. of course clinton supporters rush to post
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

I guess not all of vermont is racist like you once said now.

beyond that this is a bunch of idiotcy.the movement and everything bernie has been fighting for is lost.clinton is no progressive.
never has been.never will.MSM can claim that all they want.it's not true.she is right of center staus quo candiate.Only change coming is many of the 99% will be screwed over even more.the top 1% get richer and more poor whites with blacks and latinos die in wars she
supports.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
5. Excuse me? I NEVER said that all of Vermont is racist
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016

What an offensive post. Link to me ever saying anything like that or delete and apologize for that false accusation.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
11. Like you guys have
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

calling me and every bernie supporters racists and sexists and like tea party.you called all of vermont a bunch of racists.

Ok to consently personly attack us but minute someone calls it up we are smearing you.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
15. Ok, here's what I AM saying about you.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

You're telling lies about me. Twice in this thread you have accused me of "calling all Vermont racist." I've never said anything remotely like that. I would not say such a thing about any state.

Your accusation is outrageous.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
17. And the results are in..
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

On Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Like you guys have
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1371640

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Please hide this personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:29 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's GD: P....what are you going to do? Hopefully this will all be over soon, but I don't see anything over the top here.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post was certainly reactive, but has some kernels of truth to it. Let it stand.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Let's just stop this downhill slide right here.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: you were personally attacked? where? he points out a group but I see no personal attack. nice try alert stalker.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Response to retrowire (Reply #17)

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
13. It echo's my own feelings.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

If I saw this movement expanding to at least attempt to make a 115th and 116th congress happen that would make
Bernie's agenda anything more than an idealistic wish list.. I'd be on the other side right now.

No Democratic POTUS is going to make any strong progressive headway in this next congress (although with the way Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with the SCOTUS nomination i'm actually getting hopeful that at the very least the Senate might be a bit more friendly). The following mid-term congress isn't shaping up to be any better.

Spazito

(50,478 posts)
14. I completely agree...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

"No Democratic POTUS is going to make any strong progressive headway in this next congress (although with the way Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with the SCOTUS nomination i'm actually getting hopeful that at the very least the Senate might be a bit more friendly). The following mid-term congress isn't shaping up to be any better."

Well said.

Gerrymandering has ensured the repubs will control the House for some time, to change that Dems will have to win the governors' races as well as win the majority in the various state legislatures. That takes time.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
20. Breaking news!!!!!
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

Attention! Attention! Newsflash! Corporate media endorses wholly owned corporate candidate.


Ho hum.

Spazito

(50,478 posts)
21. There is a problem with your OP, a technical one...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

When I go to post a response, I get the menu normally on the left side of the page moving over to cover part of the header space. It has happened before and here is the fix, it's from a Help post I remembered reading when I went to ask for help on it:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/125610592#top



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