Inre: The article in the HRC Group. The last sentence sums it up pretty well, I think:

[Hiraeth]

link to HRC thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110759658

link to article here:
http://www.vocativ.com/news/290977/bernie-sanders-fans-slam-black-voters-after-south-carolina-defeat/

Last sentence here:
Of course, it isn’t only Sanders fans who have attacked their political rivals. Trump supporters have unleashed sexist rage in support of the candidate, while a YouGov poll found that Clinton fans hold their own racist positions.

[Betty Karlson]

1. Amazing! This from the supporters of a woman who said

"now back to the issues that matter" when a young woman of colour asked about her black life.

[Hiraeth]

3. --

“I mean if we’re honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear,” Clinton said.

[NWCorona]

15. +1! Hillary has a history of using demonizing language

Against young people of color.

Sadly some people don't care. Including some fellow black Americans.

[Haveadream]

38. Article: What Clinton Really Said

http://newsone.com/3158640/hillary-clinton-white-fear-black-hoodies-speech/


"In 2013, the median wealth of Black families was around $11,000. For White families, it was more than $134,000. And nearly half of all black families have lived in poor neighborhoods for at least two generations, compared to just 7 percent of White families. Today across America, our schools are actually more segregated than they were in l968.

Now, I believe that our problems are not all because of the virulence of some. Some of the comments you read on the internet are just so distressing. Some of the organizations that have promoted racism are deplorable. But I do think that all of us have to search our hearts hard to think about what more we can and should do. I mean, if we’re honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded White people the sight of a young Black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear. And news reports about poverty and crime and discrimination evoke sympathy, even empathy, but they do rarely spur us to action or prompt us to question our own assumptions and privilege.

We cannot hide from these hard truths about race and justice in America. We have to name them and own them and change them. And we can start by standing up and saying loudly and clearly, yes, Black lives matter. And then we need –– and then we need to take action, and that action has to be at the local level, the state level and the federal level.

Now, over the past months I’ve proposed a series of reforms aimed at the challenge of systemic racism. Ending the era of mass incarceration and taking new approaches to criminal justice. Investing in early childhood education and preschool so that children of color and all children who grow up in poverty don’t start out at a disadvantage from the very beginning. We should be creating pipelines to opportunity, not to prison. "

[Wilms]

5. Actually, it was more like...

"...now back to the issues that I think are important."

[Tarc]

7. You mean the woman who is a Cornell West employee and a Sanders volunteer?

Yea, Ashley Williams does not speak for Black Lives Matter, that was a carefully orchestrated political event.

[Betty Karlson]

9. So when she asked about the value of her life, that didn't matter

because she works for West? Or because of her preferred candidate?

How *f*-ing cluelessly tone-deaf can you be?

[Tarc]

19. Since it was a political "gotcha" stunt, no, it does not

Ashley Williams is the Joe the Plumber of 2016, a faux "just a ordinary person" propped up by politicians for their own ends, not a reflection of genuine everyman/woman opinion.

[VulgarPoet]

23. So I guess this is our turn to play the conspiracy theory card.

[Betty Karlson]

27. As always, black lives only matter for as long as those lives benefit Clinton.

Truly disgusting.

[Tarc]

31. Camp Clinton isn't the one who tosses every black endorser under the bus

nor is it the one who dismisses South Carolina's results as unimportant, just because they got thumped there and need to do damage control.

This particular person, Ashley Williams, was an attempt at an 11th hour gotcha surprise. If she were just another Bernie supporter...and we knew she was a Bernie supporter before the "impromptu" speech...then this wouldn't matter, since that's just how politics goes. But she was planted there to act as an everyday citizen, hoping to blunt Clinton's A-A support at the last minute.

That is dishonest.

[Betty Karlson]

32. A young woman is concerned about her life. She researches Clinton, then supports Sanders.

(Which is what most young PoC would do after researching Clinton.) But God forbid that she should want to show her concerns, or bring them to the attention of this extremely sheltered candidate who still believes the 20th century is ongoing.

At least Sanders has never resorted to the underhanded tricks that Clinton's campaign manager Debbie Wasserman Schultz has resorted to. Or lied about Clinton. All Sanders had to do was to dig up Clinton's record. Imagine what a field day the GOP would have with that record. Sanders has been treating Clinton with kitten gloves so far. The GOP will slaughter her, and all downtickets democrats will lose in her slipstream.

[Luminous Animal]

33. If you look at her twitter timeline, you will see that she has been an activist for quite a while

and that she is very intelligent and dedicated.

[Tarc]

35. So was Joe the Plumber

[Luminous Animal]

37. Hahaha. Yeah, right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. SNORT!!!! You owe me a new keyboard

this was one of the most dismissive crap I have read here about a young activist that has been very active for at least over a year.

Ashley Williams and a few others, some of whom I know personally, are the current generation of active civil rights leaders.

You ignore them at your peril. And what they are being told, including this dismissal from you, is what people told King and John Lewis as well. It is funny how history repeats itself.

[NWCorona]

16. How doesn't she speak for BLM?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

17. So the question is irrelevant unless presented by a BLM representative?

[Tarc]

20. The question is irrelevant when staged as a political ploy, yes.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

22. A "political ploy"?

You mean like demonizing and stereotyping black kids as gang members and superpredators to gain political points?

That kind of political ploy?

[morningfog]

29. Link?

[HassleCat]

2. The "supporter" attacks are pointless.

Follow the logic. Some of the supporters are assholes. By induction, all the supporters are assholes. QED: the candidate is an asshole. If I relied on logic like this I would have been killed several times.

[jeff47]

14. And yet "Sanders supporters are awful" has been a main talking point for almost a year. (nt)

[Orsino]

26. Anecdotal, too.

All it takes is a few examples of Internet meanies, and one can tar a candidate who's never met them. It's a trend, by God!

One can also score an imagined point against fellow DUers, too, which seems to be the real goal.

[Dem2]

4. All people have flaws

Most people have racist/anti-religion/geographic/cultural prejudices, mostly that they aren't even aware of.

I hope this isn't news to anybody.

[Hiraeth]

10. for realz.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I think the subheader sums it up, actually.

Some Sanders supporters are attacking black voters for backing Clinton on Saturday over their favored candidate

In other words, it's not a 'racist attack'. They're not being 'attacked' for 'being black', they're being 'attacked' for voting for Hillary Clinton. Just as Sanders supporters 'attack' other white people who vote for Hillary too.

And from the article

“If poc [people of color] want to change things then they can vote Sanders,” one user, called “immoderate,” wrote on Democratic Underground, an online community for Democrats. “If they want to keep things the same, then by all means stick with Hillary.” The attack was among several that said a vote for Clinton is a vote for the status quo, while backing Sanders is instead a vote for economic equality and civil rights, which are central to the candidate’s political platform.

Why did colour get brought into it at all? Because "Hillary Clinton won in South Carolina on Saturday with 74 percent of the vote—and with support from 86 percent of black voters, exit polls showed."

[Hiraeth]

8. I love the use of the word "attack"

subtle hyperbole at it's best.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

12. Well, 'said dismissive or disparaging things about' is a bit unwieldy.

But it's also pretty standard for supporters of any politician to paint those who vote for other candidates as 'low-info', uninformed, voting against their own interests, and so on. To report breathlessly on Bernie voters for doing what happens on both sides in pretty much every single political race out there as if it's something special and shocking is certainly into eye-roll territory.

[Hiraeth]

13. exactly.

[immoderate]

30. I am rarely quoted on the internets...

But I don't remember saying this. And I can't find the reference. It doesn't sound like me.

--imm

[RobertEarl]

41. 86% of black voters

Yeah, but it was just 8% of all possible Dem voters.

87% of Dems ignored the vote.

[RobertEarl]

11. Racism is an ignored subject

Many there have taken a head in the sand position.

It appears they deny that racism exists.

There was a thread about that off-site link and it got hidden by a DU jury.

But in the end, in SC, only 8% of the Dem voters voted for Hillary. Just 8%.

That tells you something is seriously wrong in SC. Could it be racism and oppression keeping people from voting? Has it ever?

[giftedgirl77]

28. You've made it blatantly obvious racisim exists.

[RobertEarl]

40. Yeah, in SC

They are not far from being a slave state, SC is.

They just did remove the rebel flag from the capitol.

[giftedgirl77]

42. You go with that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The turnout, or rather the anemic turnout this primary season

will be the story for the GE... watch that

As to racism... it is not a subject you can discuss here, because there is a concerted effort to prevent that honest discussion from happening. Same shit different day for antisemitism. Oh never mind that BOTH will play a role this election. In fact they already are.

I discuss those things either face to face, or on facebook, not on DU.

[RobertEarl]

39. Lawd don't I know

"...effort to prevent that honest discussion from happening"

Well, That type of thing never stopped me much.

Is SC a racist state or not? If not SC which state is the worst?

[Bluenorthwest]

18. If things said by supporters kept me from voting for a candidate, I'd never have voted for Obama who

had surrogates even who called gay people vampires. Clinton employs Brock who is so low he called Anita Hill 'slutty and nutty'. Basically every single candidate who has ever run for office has personally insulted LGBT and has had supporters who said seriously horrific things. I tend to assume that random internet 'supporters' who say terrible things are rat fuckers.

In 08 I went to an Obama message board when the campaign was really new. In a section about LGBT, first comment I read was hateful 'We know he really hates them, when Obama wins we'll burn West Hollywood to the ground'.
I could have declared 'Obama supporters are horrible violent bigots'. I could have decided some of them were bigots. But what I did was contact the campaign through a friend and tell them about the post, which was of course instantly removed. Should I have thought 'Gee, this is what Obama attracts'? Of course not. Who typed that shit about West Hollywood? No one knows. Probably a person seeking to harm Obama.

Now DU Obama supporters had lots of posts that were 'iffy'. One could have tied them to the offsite ugly and convicted the lot of them, most of them were not in favor of equality at all.

Anyone who even has a shot at being President has a cohort of supporters that is so large some of them will be saints and others will be literally insane criminals. Each candiate's cohort will also contain people posing as supporters with bad intention. These are facts. To pretend these facts are not facts is electorally reckless and willfully ignorant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Here is the USA today story

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/26/trump-racist-poll-slavery-yougov-economist-upshot-column/80986474/

[Hiraeth]

24. Interesting. From your link:

While The New York Times, Time magazine, Nate Silver's 538 and Ezra Klein's Vox treated the poll as credible, the results are transparently ludicrous. The poll found that almost one-third of African-Americans polled on Lincoln’s executive order to end slavery in the treasonous Confederate States of America either opposed freedom for their ancestors or were not sure what they thought. (More about the YouGov online poll's goofy results here.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Agreed

the results were beyond goofy