2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDaily Kos Asks Clinton And Sanders Supporters For Unity
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<snip>Markos Kos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos, a popular liberal web site, wrote a blogpost on Friday asking the sites community of writers, readers and commenters to begin moderating their criticism of Clinton starting on March 15, in the likely event that Clinton solidifies her hold on the nomination with additional primary wins.
If Sanders does not turn the tide, Moulitsas wrote, then on March 15 this site officially transitions to General Election footing. That means, we will focus our attention not just on Donald Trump or his rivals, but also on the Senate, the House, and state-level races.
If you want the most liberal government possible, we arent going to get that this cycle in the White House, but we can keep building the bench down the ballot so that come 2024, we have lots of great liberals to choose from, Moulitsas added.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-kos-democrats-general-election_us_56da0eebe4b0000de404c3af
Good luck with that "unity".
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Fuck him. On my bus, Kos, and over the cliff with you.
Mike Nelson
(9,984 posts)...there are Sanders supporters who will never accept Hillary. They think she's a greedy, racist, war-mongering Wall Street Republican. Fortunately, I believe that attitude is smaller than it looks on DU, where Bernie is the overwhelming favorite.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... the Bernie fan club here is seething.
Sheesh.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)We are being asked to change our vote because it would be better for the party. Well sorry I don't vote based on what is best for the party. I vote based on what is best for my family and for the country, so no I will not change my vote just so we can unify the party.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Donate, advocate, and vote your conscience.
But, when it's over, unite behind the nominee regardless of who that turns out to be, just as I will.
I'm talking about the people who are threatening to not vote if they don't get their way, or worse yet, vote for one of the Rethuglicans.
That's just stupid, immature, and self-defeating.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I don't get to vote until March 26 and it is not going to be for Hillary.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... it's just that, talk.
I love Bernie, and hope he sticks around until the nominee is determined.
He's done yeoman's work moving the conversation to where it should be, and if Hillary is the eventual nominee (as I think she will be), she'll owe him a debt of gratitude for having made her a stronger candidate.
I just hope that once we have a nominee, we can unite behind whoever it is to defeat the GOP.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Because of that many Dems will either not vote or vote for a 3rd party or even vote for Rump just to burn the establishment. Of course some may argue that the Third Way is a 3rd party anyway and I would agree since today's Dem establishment would never be as it is now when FDR was in power.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)The Superdelegates are being used as a way to disenfranchise the people's vote in the Democratic primary.
No doubt the party wants to avoid the uncomfortable situation where Bernie wins on all but the superdelegates.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Rec
mmonk
(52,589 posts)misogonysts, Trump supporters, etc. if they want to remain friends with Clintonites. I'll let you know.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)on progressive radio. He could have helped build the movement, but instead chose to hinder it from the beginning.
These self appointed overlords of all things political make me question their motives.
DLC is a rotting carcass, time to move on Markos Moulitsas. Try to regain some credibility while you still can.
LonePirate
(13,437 posts)Should be easy if he has done it regularly as you suggest.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Is this guy somehow misinformed about the length of presidential terms in the US? I would hope we have some "great liberals to choose from" by 2020. Hillary Clinton may get elected by default this year, but that doesn't mean we can't start planning to get rid of her after one term (assuming she isn't impeached and removed from office before then).
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)You see how the DNC has stacked the deck against Bernie in this primary season and actually think there could be a significant primary challenge to sitting President Hillary Clinton in 2020?
Robbins
(5,066 posts)then she will be nominee in 2020.the day of incumbent president being defeated in primary is over.
If she loses in november then 2020.problem is which dem can unite people after most supported clinton in 2016.meaning they aren't real liberals or progressives.Untill corporate dems are given the boot nothing will change.democratic party would rather lose with
clinton than actully win an election.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)he is going to do everything he can to bring public pressure on them to either reform (which they will never do) or be purged. I think they would rather see a Republican President to have a boogyman as a common enemy and maintain their power.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)trump or clinton will led to demise of democratic party.
with trump GOP gets total control of government.with gerrymandering and citizen's united and MSM GOP will have good 2018 midterm.maybe dems could have a comeback but so many dems in power told progressives to screw off to support clinton.so
they agree with her anti union pro-freetrade pro corporation pro national security state anti-civil rights anti-social safety net pro-
war stances.
If clinton gets by in squeaker against trump she has republican congress and she will sign gop bills on things they agree with just like her husband.meanwhile dems get massacured in 2018 midterm assuring gop control of house till at least 2032.possibly decades to come.
Dems may have less power than they had during bush's time in white house.this time no way they can ever win a midterm.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)that was spoken about in those campaign speeches. They told us lies to get our votes and threw us under the bus the day after the election. It's not going to happen this time. The disenfranchised Dems will not vote or vote 3rd party or they will vote for Rump just to fuck over the establishment.
smiley
(1,432 posts)the overlords are watching.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If you want the most liberal government possible, we arent going to get that this cycle..."
Never,. never,never.....it's a broken record trotted out every election cycle to stomp out progressive change.
riversedge
(70,441 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)This is about the fundamentals of the Democratic Party. The divide is not bridgeable.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)onecaliberal
(32,985 posts)I'm sick of assholes thinking it should be done before we all vote, to those I say, fuck you!
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)five to ten years from real pitchfork-style revolution.
Sure, the establishment machine can try and hold Bernie and his supporters down, and it might work this time out.
BUT, we Bernie supporters are TIRED of getting fucked every which way but loose by Third Way corporatists. We are, in effect, well informed and angry.
By contrast, Trump supporters are ignorant and angry.
The commonality here is 'angry.' If we don't get tossed some REAL bones, like single payer healthcare, stronger social security and free college tuition, the oligarchs are doing nothing but blindly moving themselves closer to being violently removed from power by mobs of angry people. Hopefully I'll be dead by then because I don't want to be part of such a mob, or the victim of a Robespierre like terror once the mob wins.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Yeah, not buying that.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)kos gets the DWS treatment
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)...too bad. Considering how many states have not had their say...this is regrettable
PeterK
(9 posts)Bernie supporters do not have what it takes for a revolution you need time.. Consisting of mostly young adults following the crowd. You think giving Hillary half a fight for the nominee is a revolution. What will you accomplish nothing. It will take two terms with Bernie as president to get anything at all done. that's assuming we come out strong and vote in off years. I like Bernie always have always will. It will surprise me if he pushes after the 15th. He is a smart man with common sense.
Donald Trump has no prayer of winning the Republican Nomination. He will be embarrassed in the coming weeks. Soon his rally will be a mix of democrats and republicans trashing him. In the end his response will be the normal i did fantastic i was not a politician, i was not supposed to do anything i thought i did very well . Ted Cruz is what the democrats should be focused on not Clinton Trump.