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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:02 PM Apr 2016

Hillary is Losing It...

Granted, campaigns are stressful, no doubt. But they are for a reason: vetting. And while Hillary demonstrated good weathering of the unintelligent GOP idiots in Congress who only clouded the waters further, it appears, when it comes to handling intelligent criticism, Hillary buckles. Considerably.

Take for instance, the recent debate question in Florida regarding the FBI Investigation of her private email server, when asked if she would drop out if an indictment comes, she fumbles her words and states she's not even going to answer that question.

Or how poorly she handled the BLM protestor at a wealthy supporters South Carolina Mansion, when she was asked to apologize for her use of language "super predators" when referring to African Americans in the context of criminal prosecution.

And now, when asked an easy question by a Green Peace activist about accepting donations from Big Oil, she freaks out so badly that it sends the exchange into an overnight viral sensation.

Maybe it's the string of recent election losses, or maybe it's the fact that she's pulled out early from Wisconsin or maybe it's the fact that she's buckled under pressure of honoring her agreement to debate in NY, or maybe it's the announcement that she and her staffers are to be interviewed by the FBI, etc, etc... Maybe it's all of this together and she's just had a bad week. But if that's how she handles the pressure, maybe she's not fit to be Commander in Chief.

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Hillary is Losing It... (Original Post) berni_mccoy Apr 2016 OP
Meh cosmicone Apr 2016 #1
If she's so cool, why'd she lose it with the Green Peace Activist on an easy question? berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #8
Yelling at a voter, and shoving your finger in their face isn't losing it? GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #11
No, that's not losing it. She said what she thought about the question. Perhaps the girl who asked beaglelover Apr 2016 #12
Right... If she can't respond to a voter respectfully then how the hell is she gonna handle Trump... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #15
I feel sorry for the people who work for her. Must be like walking on eggs, you never quite know monmouth4 Apr 2016 #22
MSNBC Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #38
I used to work for someone like that, always with the knot in my stomach, hating Sundays, etc. n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #48
So did I. After two 840high Apr 2016 #55
I lasted about a year then walked..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #85
Who could ever forget that finger jab Baobab Apr 2016 #113
Finger pointing, in the manner she did, is a form of attack especially combined with her "tone". Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #30
I dont think she was on the brink of going berserk Jemmons Apr 2016 #35
Controlled beserkness. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #37
This conversation is fucking ridiculous jcgoldie Apr 2016 #46
+10000 COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #129
Here's a simple chart for recognizing aggressive behavior: Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #159
Do you have a chart for recognizing bullshit? jcgoldie Apr 2016 #160
That comment was so fucking funny... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #161
Especially if they're snarling and yelling at the same time. polly7 Apr 2016 #132
In Certain Circumstances It Could Be Characterized As Assault! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #57
Pray do tell under what circumstances COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #128
It would be to any normal person. polly7 Apr 2016 #134
The question COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #136
Hillary looked like a crazed loon CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #80
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #120
Yes, only men, like Bernie, are allowed to get angry Yavin4 Apr 2016 #13
It is Hillarious how every criticism of Hillary is turned into a sexist attack... nt GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #14
In this case, it's an apt reply. Yavin4 Apr 2016 #17
Sanders gets angry at political and societal systems. intheflow Apr 2016 #90
+1000. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #114
Huh? KPN Apr 2016 #109
Hillary did the right thing:she stood up to the Sanders Greenpeace liar: Go Hillary lewebley3 Apr 2016 #95
She is a Greenpeace actvist with no ties to the Sanders campaign noiretextatique Apr 2016 #103
Wrpng Sanders controls her lewebley3 Apr 2016 #106
How grossly offensive. She's a principled woman who is quite capable of knowing her own mind. Kentonio Apr 2016 #133
Clinton did what she does best CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #126
Hillary. is not hot tampered: The charge has been she is to cool lewebley3 Apr 2016 #146
No one ever wanted a war: except Dick Cheney: women dont want abortions:but they are lewebley3 Apr 2016 #149
Like Chris Christie did with that school teacher, she abuses 'little people' closeupready Apr 2016 #10
The Greenpeace activists is not one. of the litte people: She works for Sanders milloms of dollars lewebley3 Apr 2016 #96
She works for Greenpeace, not Sanders. Read her statement noiretextatique Apr 2016 #105
Washington Poat says that the Greenpeace lady was a liar: and Greenpeace is working for Sanders lewebley3 Apr 2016 #108
Before I call that a lie, I'd invite you to post a link to the relevant WP article. Kentonio Apr 2016 #137
Her statment has no credibility: we all saw how she behaved like a bully lewebley3 Apr 2016 #150
Yeah...keep it up with the victim meme. Victims don't make good leaders eom noiretextatique Apr 2016 #153
Hillary's nobodies victum: She stood up for self lewebley3 Apr 2016 #154
FAKE. She stood up for nothing noiretextatique Apr 2016 #155
No: Sanders attack Hillary with a lie: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #156
She did attack HIllary: it didn't do Sanders any favors: He looks like a jerk lewebley3 Apr 2016 #157
Because far left radicals like Greenpeace annoy Democrats jberryhill Apr 2016 #76
.. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #100
Greenpeace activists have a long history of. violence lewebley3 Apr 2016 #147
She coolly voted for that Iraq War too. She's so cool. Broward Apr 2016 #19
Hillary didn't vote for war: Bush and the GOP chose the war they said so lewebley3 Apr 2016 #97
You're coolly supporting a warmonger that voted for the Iraq War. Broward Apr 2016 #116
not just voted. promoted reddread Apr 2016 #144
Hillary never took any vote litely: especially a use of force lewebley3 Apr 2016 #148
She looked really cool freaking the fuck out and lying to a young woman yesterday. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #33
Hillary put the lying Greenpeace woman in her place: Washington Post says Sanders lewebley3 Apr 2016 #98
She can't keep cherry-picking that one 11-hour hearing to 'prove' her mettle 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #72
Sanders people are cherry pickers with all the facts concerning Hillary lewebley3 Apr 2016 #111
My point is Hillary's tree only has one cherry 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #119
Wrong: Hillary's career is long one: Sanders people would like him to more but he's not lewebley3 Apr 2016 #152
This is a photo of the young lady that Hillary attacked: bvar22 Apr 2016 #122
Honestly I can say my opinion of Hillary hasn't changed after this exchange Kalidurga Apr 2016 #2
My opinion has grown for Hillary will hit back on lying attacker:ahe will lewebley3 Apr 2016 #101
I already know she can hit back at the GOP Kalidurga Apr 2016 #145
I was just thinking about this. dogman Apr 2016 #4
She does not have the temperament to be President. Not with that finger on the button. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #5
But that's the point nichomachus Apr 2016 #20
Wow, I hadn't thought of foreign psyops. senz Apr 2016 #74
Wrong Hillary has been one of the strongest and steady people on the national stage lewebley3 Apr 2016 #104
Yes, her trust ratings are soaring through the floor hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #115
American people trust her: She is o. tract to wi5 the Presidency: but Sanders is running a millon lewebley3 Apr 2016 #118
Hillary is about preserving the establishment. Sanders is about preserving the US middle class. hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #121
LOL Fuddnik Apr 2016 #151
Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Karma13612 Apr 2016 #6
If she's freaking out NOW, imagine what she would have done during the Bay of Pigs. closeupready Apr 2016 #7
Bernie is losing it Dem2 Apr 2016 #9
It's called an opinion. smiley Apr 2016 #34
She raised her voice Dem2 Apr 2016 #36
Yes she did. smiley Apr 2016 #39
Yes yes you fall into a stereotype Dem2 Apr 2016 #42
Ok. smiley Apr 2016 #47
The stop and think about this Gwhittey Apr 2016 #52
The corporate whore media networks were to blame for Dean's drop. tabasco Apr 2016 #56
You're not joking are you? Dem2 Apr 2016 #58
Sanders is a desperate loser if he cannot win without sending people to attack Hillary lewebley3 Apr 2016 #112
That person was from Greenpeace BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #139
For most people, being investigated would be stressful enough without... polichick Apr 2016 #16
I had the very same thoughts loyalsister Apr 2016 #79
Prez is a terrible job, for sure - but I get why Bernie is doing it... polichick Apr 2016 #91
I honestly don't think Bernie is running out of a long-running desire to be president. MoonchildCA Apr 2016 #99
she seemed destablized by the question; very bad optics, at minimum amborin Apr 2016 #18
She seemed like she hadn't considered the question XemaSab Apr 2016 #25
Greenpeace people have asked her that question repeatedly.. grasswire Apr 2016 #44
That's exactly what it is... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #81
She is the worst candidate put forward in my lifetime PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #21
I see #BernieorBust is alive riversedge Apr 2016 #28
Very much as far a I am concerned. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #29
sad. riversedge Apr 2016 #31
No. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #32
Yes, sad that youre deluded JesterCS Apr 2016 #41
I think Kerry was a worse candidate Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #73
OP title better fits ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23
How about the fact that the reporters who travel with her have not been allowed to talk to her for Gmak Apr 2016 #24
Heck, they are not allowed to watch her board or deplane at the airport. grasswire Apr 2016 #45
These 2 observations just blow me away. WTF is she afraid of by the press watching her board her DiehardLiberal Apr 2016 #60
you can't be in a hallway when she is in it... grasswire Apr 2016 #63
Whaaaat? Really??!!! If you are serious, that is pathological. And I know enough about you DiehardLiberal Apr 2016 #65
that's what I have read several times from White House permanent staff. grasswire Apr 2016 #68
This is all news to me - thanks for your response and to the other posters on this thread. DiehardLiberal Apr 2016 #88
That (and more) was reported in this book... Ino Apr 2016 #70
Yea... the same guy that wrote that President Obama would be at fault if the Secret Service's JTFrog Apr 2016 #87
It's been speculated... Ino Apr 2016 #66
really grasswire Apr 2016 #69
Yes... Ino Apr 2016 #71
That's silly. My husband and his sister are both taking coumadin-- eridani Apr 2016 #83
I'll bow to your superior knowledge... Ino Apr 2016 #117
Knee pain sounds plausible. Recall how careful people were to not sho FDR's physical problesm n/t eridani Apr 2016 #141
Absolutely correct. Coumadin is a very commonly used COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #130
Nobody here could last a day against her, she is so much tougher than most. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #26
Bill C is in Appleton WI today. Cory Booker was in 3 WI cities today. Cecil Richards is there riversedge Apr 2016 #27
So... JSup Apr 2016 #40
Maybe she should stop lying. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #53
Next up will be someone asking her COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #131
She's fit to be commander in chief. It would just be an imperious, intolerant presidency. reformist2 Apr 2016 #43
Hillary talks of Women in the Military by addressing sexual assault & family. Sanders NOPE. riversedge Apr 2016 #50
Well that was nice of Hillary Angrydemex Apr 2016 #78
She will, and will address all kinds of sexual assault-male or female riversedge Apr 2016 #84
My daughter was a Medical Officer deployed COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #135
S. 1581 (113th): Survivors of Military Sexual Assault and Domestic Abuse Act of 2013 Mnpaul Apr 2016 #86
leftist extremists reddread Apr 2016 #49
H isn't losing it,she never had it. nt wendylaroux Apr 2016 #51
When you have gone to the lengths to which she has gone jwirr Apr 2016 #54
nobody's forcing her to do this. grasswire Apr 2016 #64
Yawn.... Beacool Apr 2016 #59
We get it: Princess Weathervane can do no wrong. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #67
Could it have been a planned "I'm tough" response that backfired on her? oregonjen Apr 2016 #61
Good point about "backfired". It looked like a response to question that really NCjack Apr 2016 #127
It's in the bag. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #62
Oh, dear. senz Apr 2016 #75
come on MFM008 Apr 2016 #77
Bernie Sanders: "Thank-you, thank-you very much!" mrdmk Apr 2016 #138
She's definitely under a lot of pressure loyalsister Apr 2016 #82
George-the-Lesser also wore a reciever under his coat jacket. bvar22 Apr 2016 #140
Maybe it isn't the pressure of campaigning -- Nancy Reagan's funeral GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #89
Implosion imminent. frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #92
I love these McCoy memes Tarc Apr 2016 #93
Perhaps she found her conscience tabasco Apr 2016 #94
No she isnt, she is one tough cookie...Nor is Bernie going negative by pointing out facts about Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #102
nope shes winning it. eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #107
Kick azmom Apr 2016 #110
Maybe it is as simple as the fact that her entire strategy was based on being able to focus FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #123
Her strategy is to blame the person bringing the information that prevents the coronation EndElectoral Apr 2016 #124
She already lost it once, getting ready to lose it again. Autumn Apr 2016 #125
BUT, BUT... She has female parts! MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #142
Latest Wisconsin Poll: Hillary up 6 points itsrobert Apr 2016 #143
...while Bernie is just losing. brooklynite Apr 2016 #158
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
1. Meh
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:08 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary is as cool as a cucumber.

Go see the 11 hours of video in front of the Bengazi committee again.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
3. If she's so cool, why'd she lose it with the Green Peace Activist on an easy question?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

And I gave her credit for that... GOP chumps are not smart though... Anyone could have stood up to their b.s.

Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #3)

beaglelover

(3,492 posts)
12. No, that's not losing it. She said what she thought about the question. Perhaps the girl who asked
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

the question shouldn't leave her safe space very often. She can't handle the real world apparently.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
15. Right... If she can't respond to a voter respectfully then how the hell is she gonna handle Trump...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

...I dare to say what will happen to her, but if Sanders doesn't do it, then Trump will surely do it... And as Trump pointed out Obama already did it to her.

monmouth4

(9,710 posts)
22. I feel sorry for the people who work for her. Must be like walking on eggs, you never quite know
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

what is going to happen next or what her mood will be..

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
113. Who could ever forget that finger jab
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

I think she should consider withdrawing, because she's just never going to win the GE now.

Bernie does better, much better against Republicans in polling.

He's what this country needs, a uniter, not an untier.

Bernie has the potential to be a really great President. the kind that gets remembered for a lifetime.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
35. I dont think she was on the brink of going berserk
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

That said, stab gestures like you see her make, are usually a strong sign that someone is preparing for a violent attack. Just ask any police officer or those who train them.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
37. Controlled beserkness.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

A family member always pointed their finger like that. I always perceived it as an attack.

jcgoldie

(11,647 posts)
46. This conversation is fucking ridiculous
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

She "attacked" her with her pointy finger! Does she even have a license to carry that thing? For fucks sake will you listen to yourselves?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
129. +10000
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

This Hillary bashing has now gone from the merely ridiculous to the absolutely fucking unbelievably ridiculous. If they ever took the time to listen to themselves they would slink off in abject humilitation.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
132. Especially if they're snarling and yelling at the same time.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

YES, that was an attack on a young woman who did NOTHING wrong.

Authoritarian bullshit response.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
57. In Certain Circumstances It Could Be Characterized As Assault!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

Rosario Dawson Is AWESOME! Hey Hillary... We're Free For A Debate... say April 10th?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
128. Pray do tell under what circumstances
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

it could be "considered an assault". Enquiring minds want to know.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
134. It would be to any normal person.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

Some wouldn't take it nearly as well as that young woman did, either. Anyone other than Clinton or some other high-profile politician probably would have been missing that finger.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
136. The question
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

was 'how pointing a finger at someone could be characterized as assault'. So far no answer,

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
80. Hillary looked like a crazed loon
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:01 AM
Apr 2016

I was shocked to see her so unhinged. Usually, Hillary is grace under fire when it comes to dealing with pointed questions. She rarely loses her cool.

That question from the Greenpeace activist was pretty tame. Hillary snapped.

I guess if the FBI was gearing up to interview me, I'd be on my last nerve too.

Response to beaglelover (Reply #12)

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
17. In this case, it's an apt reply.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's entire M.O. is shouting and anger but no one says that he's losing it.

intheflow

(28,504 posts)
90. Sanders gets angry at political and societal systems.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton gets angry at individuals. And also got angry for the wrong reason - jumping to the conclusion that it was a Sanders supporter without knowing who she was talking to. Those are two big differences in the candidates' anger responses. I'd love to see Clinton have some righteous anger over how systemic racism, classism, and environmental degradation are destroying the US and need to be addressed. But all I hear from her on those issues is a cold, calculating, legalistic interpretation designed to keep the status quo in place.

KPN

(15,652 posts)
109. Huh?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

That's a pretty revealing comment.

Do you not realize that many, if not, most of the Bernie supporter's who posted above are women?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
103. She is a Greenpeace actvist with no ties to the Sanders campaign
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

And Clinton has taken money from oil industry. This was a classic Clinton deflection.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
126. Clinton did what she does best
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

When someone calls her out, she can't handle it. She flies into rages and attacks the messenger.

We're supposed to be impressed by her faux outrage.

By doubling down on this, and ordering her digital-response team to continue talking about this, she's only harming herself.

She lost this round--and every time someone plays that video of her yelling at that Greenpeace activist, she loses a little more.

One of her advisers should tell her to cut her losses and move on.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
149. No one ever wanted a war: except Dick Cheney: women dont want abortions:but they are
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

sometimes unavoidable: Sanders pasaism would stop him
from. keeping American's safe.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. Like Chris Christie did with that school teacher, she abuses 'little people'
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

if they displease her. I guess with Christie ("I'm TIRED of you PEOPLE!!&quot , the only way to spin that for his camp would be to say as a school teacher, she was likely a member of his opposition.

Greenpeace, on the other hand, is likely very Democratic ... The fact that she would be so abusive to a member of her own house dovetails with what we know about her, the DLC, Rahm Emanuel, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and their ilk.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
144. not just voted. promoted
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:23 PM
Apr 2016

and she knew full well what was going on. access to presidential CIA briefings.
NO EXCUSE EXISTS OTHER THAN FULL CULPABILITY.

feel free to support that behavior if you want, just keep it out of the Democratic Party.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
33. She looked really cool freaking the fuck out and lying to a young woman yesterday.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

About as presidential as a hyena on bath salts.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
72. She can't keep cherry-picking that one 11-hour hearing to 'prove' her mettle
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

did she do well? yes, as I was rooting for to do, but much has changed since then,
and she's getting tested in various ways -- ways that suggest an unravelling on several fronts.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
122. This is a photo of the young lady that Hillary attacked:
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

There was only one BULLY in that video, and it wasn't the young Greenpeace activist, who was polite and dignified. Hillary has just displayed that she does NOT have the temperament or judgement to be our president.


Greenpeace Activist

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/im-the-greenpeace-activist-who-asked-hillary-clinton-to-pledge-to-reject-fossil-fuel-contributions-at-the-purchase-ny-campaign-rally/

Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Super PAC supporting her have received more than $4.5 million from the fossil fuel industry.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Honestly I can say my opinion of Hillary hasn't changed after this exchange
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

More people are going to see what I have been saying all along. She is a terrible candidate. She is so terrible I am even thinking I will lie to people and say I am an Independent. I probably won't change my registration because if you want to get chit done(resolutions and stuff) you need to be in one of the two major parties. Seriously though this does a whole lot to give ammo to the opposition. They can say Hillary is unhinged and they have a point about Democrats if we as a party nominate her.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
101. My opinion has grown for Hillary will hit back on lying attacker:ahe will
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

[Be. a great against the GOP

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
145. I already know she can hit back at the GOP
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

In this video she is yelling at one of our own. Or someone who's side she should be on, but isn't.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
4. I was just thinking about this.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

She held up so resolutely and showed such confidence. She made the GOP inquisitors look petty. I began to wonder during the debates, when she seemed disrespectful and a bit arrogant, if it was a facade. The incident where she told the lady in SC to run for office if she had better ideas seemed again, arrogant and overbearing. Yesterday convinced me. She does not respect the voters if they are not pro-Hillary and adore her.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
20. But that's the point
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

She's plenty tough when she's got planes and bombs on her side. But in a regular give and take, she can't handle anything that hasn't been scripted for her. As others have said, she's a terrible candidate and would be a worse president.

Just from this campaign, I'll bet the Russian, Chinese, and Iranianmosy-ops people have volume after volume on how to push her buttons.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
74. Wow, I hadn't thought of foreign psyops.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, she's showing weaknesses that wouldn't work in a position that critical and powerful.

It takes a certain kind of person. I know I couldn't do it. Trying to think of other presidential candidates who fell apart...Ed Muskie comes to mind. Poor guy, he seemed like a nice person. Nixon seemed kind of emotionally unbalanced in a different way.

I think part of Hill's problem is that she wants the presidency so badly. I wonder what gave her life meaning before she wanted to be president?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
104. Wrong Hillary has been one of the strongest and steady people on the national stage
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

: That is why people trust her!

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
118. American people trust her: She is o. tract to wi5 the Presidency: but Sanders is running a millon
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

dollar negative campaign: Hillary's money has to Go to. helping
Other Dem's and fighting GOP. Hillary is a team player: Sanders
Is all about himself.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
6. Yea, I was thinking the same thing.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

I am supporting Bernie, but am curious to see if she bounces back or if this the new level she will be at.
She is having a bad week, and true to form has been defensive at each turn.

If I had the FBI breathing down my neck, I'd be a bit frazzled too.

Time will tell, so warm up the popcorn maker.

I think the Sanders campaign should add another product to their line up: Bernie popcorn.
They could sell it in a cute tin with the Bernie logo. I know the Boy Scouts or another similar group did that some years back. It was a bag of popcorn kernels placed inside a tin with their Scout theme on the outside of the tin. Affordable and a wonderful collectors tin.

The could sell right now, and on thru the general for sure.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
7. If she's freaking out NOW, imagine what she would have done during the Bay of Pigs.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

No way! We can NOT afford a president like that, especially not now with everything going on.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
34. It's called an opinion.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

The author of the op is basing their opinion on the recent video of Hillary 'losing it' with a Greenpeace activist and other developments within her campaign.

What's your opinion based on? That's a serious question btw.

Thanks in advance!

smiley

(1,432 posts)
39. Yes she did.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

IMO it was not the personal character of someone, that I want to be POTUS.

There's a lot more to it though. I'm sure you've seen the criticisms of Hillary, if you spend much time on DU. I'd give you more of my opinion, but I don't really care to.

Have a great day!

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
42. Yes yes you fall into a stereotype
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

The people that don't like Hillary just hate her but I like Bernie I like both candidates so there's the difference.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
47. Ok.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

If that's what helps you sleep at night, then I'm ok with however you need to rationalize things.

But I don't hate Hillary. I was taught not to hate anyone. I simply don't like some of the politic decisions she has made. One in particular is her Iraq War vote. I personally feel she was either too stupid to recognize the lies (which I doubt), or she was complicit in the lies. Either case IMO, makes her a horrible candidate for POTUS. But that's just my opinion. You may have a different set of randomly chosen words.

I also don't trust her. Some people just give off the vibe that their lying to you. I get that from her.

There's more. I can go on if you want, but tell me again why you think Bernie is 'losing it'?

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
52. The stop and think about this
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

Think back to Howard Dean run in 2004. The Dean Scream was what made him drop in polls. This is something that has the potential to do the same thing. And Dean's Scream was really a silly thing but optics are a bitch with most voters. Not anyone on DU because we are all firmly set.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
56. The corporate whore media networks were to blame for Dean's drop.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

An excited yeehah was played endlessly on the media whore networks. The American people are indoctrinated by the propaganda networks and did what they were told. Stopped supporting a politician for yelling yeehah. This is where we are. A largely indoctrinated population, both left and right, glued to their idiot boxes. Just look at the number of daily posts on DU screeching about this or that outrage on the propaganda networks. They think they can watch the garbage and not be indoctrinated. They believe screeching about the outrages proves they are immune to the propaganda. They are not.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
16. For most people, being investigated would be stressful enough without...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

adding a presidential run.

Why does she even want another gov't job? More power?

Hillary has had a great career and now has a shit ton of cash from her crony capitalist connections - why not relax and enjoy her family?!

(And no, this isn't sexist - I'd ask the same of a man in this situation.)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
79. I had the very same thoughts
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:56 AM
Apr 2016

And, I have wondered the same about Bernie. It find it confusing that anyone would run for president during the years most people are now desperately hoping to be retired.

I think they have both contributed tremendously and it would make more sense to me for such a person to sit back and write memiors or form a nonprofit if they're bored.(the Jimmy Carter model). I can sort of see why someone would stay in the senate or take on a cabinet position, but taking on one of the most difficult jobs in the world????

polichick

(37,152 posts)
91. Prez is a terrible job, for sure - but I get why Bernie is doing it...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

He has always known that only a people's revolution can beat the entrenched powers and nobody else was building one. But he doesn't have the stress of an investigation too.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
99. I honestly don't think Bernie is running out of a long-running desire to be president.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

I think he did it, because the system is so broken, and he didn't see anyone else jumping in the race that would have the desire or motivation to try to change it. The corruption of our political process is reaching a point of no return. He only had now to do it.
Whether he wins the nomination or not, he has brought this issue to the forefront of the campaign and made it the most important issue for a new generation of voters. It gives me some hope in the future of the country... that is of course, until Trump comes on my TV screen and my hope wavers a bit. At least most of his supportes are old farts, and they'll die off soon.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
25. She seemed like she hadn't considered the question
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

or considered that anyone might ask her that.

She looks ok when she has a prepared answer, but what she doesn't, she gets really defensive in an unflattering way.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
44. Greenpeace people have asked her that question repeatedly..
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

...and they always are very courteous, and thank her first.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
81. That's exactly what it is...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:04 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary needs a script and to be coached on canned answers to expected questions. When the dialog goes off script is when she loses composure.

Any way you slice it, the way she responded to the Greenpeace woman's question was completely unessessary and bad form. She would have been much better off if she'd just ignored the question altogether.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
21. She is the worst candidate put forward in my lifetime
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

She has been running for the office since Bill's tenure was finished.

Name recognition is all she has.

I will never vote for her.

The worst.

Qutzupalotl

(14,331 posts)
73. I think Kerry was a worse candidate
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:48 AM
Apr 2016

not because of his résumé, which was better, but in his manner of speech — aloof, stentorian, convoluted and uninspiring. He is kicking ass as SOS, but in 2004 he did not respond well when attacked. Hillary's team eventually comes up with a good response, and she can deliver a line with a 1-2-3 setup for applause. Once you hear that pacing, you cannot help but understand how scripted she is.

Gmak

(88 posts)
24. How about the fact that the reporters who travel with her have not been allowed to talk to her for
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

months? Do we want someone so thin-skinned or possibly short-tempered with the nuclear button within reach?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
45. Heck, they are not allowed to watch her board or deplane at the airport.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

She sits in the limo until their plane takes off and then boards her private plane.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
60. These 2 observations just blow me away. WTF is she afraid of by the press watching her board her
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

plane? I just can't understand her at all.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
63. you can't be in a hallway when she is in it...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

....in the WH the staff had to hide behind the long curtains if she was in the hallway.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
65. Whaaaat? Really??!!! If you are serious, that is pathological. And I know enough about you
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

Grasswire that I don't think you are joking - even on April Fool's Day. And I didn't think I could be shocked any more... wrong.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
68. that's what I have read several times from White House permanent staff.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

Remember that incident at the debate when she was delayed coming back from the bathroom because someone else was in the ladies' multiple stall restroom but she will not be in a restroom when someone else is there?

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
88. This is all news to me - thanks for your response and to the other posters on this thread.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:29 AM
Apr 2016

Wow - for so many years I drank the Clinton Kool-aid. Couldn't understand the loathing coming from the other side. Getting a clue now. While these personality deficiencies aren't the deciding factor - her policies, squirming around rules/laws and lust for money and power are - these issues are icing on a very ugly cake for me. I really wish it were otherwise...

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
87. Yea... the same guy that wrote that President Obama would be at fault if the Secret Service's
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:41 AM
Apr 2016

security breakdowns led to his own assassination. And he is a mega Bush lover.

Fucking brilliant read.



Ino

(3,366 posts)
66. It's been speculated...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

that she has difficulty ascending stairs, possibly because of the coumadin she's taking.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
69. really
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

coumadin

so you are saying that might explain why she doesn't board the plane in sight of the press.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
83. That's silly. My husband and his sister are both taking coumadin--
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:07 AM
Apr 2016

--and neither has any trouble with stairs.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
117. I'll bow to your superior knowledge...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

I was just parroting something I'd read elsewhere. I've no experience with it myself.

Which leaves some other reason for possibly having difficulty with stairs. Heart problem? Out of shape? Knee pain?

Maybe she just wants to avoid being filmed doing this...

eridani

(51,907 posts)
141. Knee pain sounds plausible. Recall how careful people were to not sho FDR's physical problesm n/t
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
130. Absolutely correct. Coumadin is a very commonly used
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

blood thinner, usually to prevent the formation of clots. It has no effect on a perons' ability (or lack of) to climb stairs.

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
27. Bill C is in Appleton WI today. Cory Booker was in 3 WI cities today. Cecil Richards is there
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

in Madison for a few days. Hillary is in Milwaukee, Eau Claire WI (one other TBA). Al Fraken is making stops for her.

She has 2 new statewide ads up today. It is obvious you are wrong. she has not pulled out of WI.

JSup

(740 posts)
40. So...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

...the orchestrator of all that is evil and dark in the world, the hand that pulls the strings of the souls heads-of-state, the woman who plotted her takeover of America since she was a baby dollar bill in a crib is losing it?

She's either en evil, omniscient genius or she's not, guys; pick one.

My guess is she's tired of being asked these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
50. Hillary talks of Women in the Military by addressing sexual assault & family. Sanders NOPE.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

She would be a grand commander-in-chief.

X-posted from Hillary Group


Hillary talks of Women in the Military by addressing sexual assault & family. Sanders NOPE.



Hillary's answer says it all. She speaks to issues concerning women--and families. It is stunning. Sanders-->NOPE (He must have had his mind on getting those transcripts!!)

This really bothers me. Sanders had time to respond to this written question--its not like he had to respond quickly to a town hall or Debate question.

***This is published in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel--the largest paper in WI. Good for the paper to get this in before the election next Tuesday.





Clinton, Sanders respond to questions from Guard hero's father


http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/clinton-sanders-respond-to-questions-from-guard-heros-father-b99698582z1-374336461.html



http://media.jrn.com/images/660*513/b99698582z.1_20160401191707_000_g5qf34ut.3-0.jpg

John and Lori Witmer of New Berlin attend a memorial service for their daughter Michelle at Wood National Cemetery in 2011.

7:17 p.m.




By Annysa Johnson of the Journal Sentinel

Two more presidential candidates have responded to questions posed by the father of a fallen Wisconsin solder, days after he was barred from asking them at a Republican town hall meeting in Milwaukee on Tuesday.

The two Democratic candidates -- former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders -- sent their answers to the questions posed by John Witmer to the Journal Sentinel on Friday. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, one of three candidates seeking the Republican nomination, responded on Wednesday, and his answers were previously published by the Journal Sentinel.

Witmer's 20-year-old daughter Michelle, a Wisconsin National Guard member, was killed during an ambush in 2004 in Baghdad.

Witmer had gone to the town hall meeting hoping to gauge the Republican candidate's positions on war, the draft, women in combat, and veterans issues. He was initially invited to ask questions, but CNN reneged because Witmer wouldn't pledge to vote for one of the candidates there.

The Journal Sentinel has posed Witmer's questions to all of the candidates. Republican candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz had not responded as of Friday. Below are the answers received to date, with the most recent ones first



..................


..................


Q: With three daughters in the Army National Guard, I saw, firsthand, their struggle for respect and recognition. In the last few years, restrictions have been lifted on our female soldiers, allowing them to serve in combat positions. As Commander-In-Chief what position will you take on the role of women in the Military?



Clinton:I applaud Secretary Carter's decision to allow women to serve in combat positions. For the first time, every single position in the military will be open to women, which will make our country safer. Women in our armed forces have proven their heroism and abilities again and again, and while the progress we have made toward a truly inclusive military is certainly moving us in the right direction we are not done yet. As commander-in-chief, I will work to build on this progress in several ways. We must aggressively combat sexual assault and harassment and strengthen protections to ensure that our women and men in uniform can serve without fear and report incidents without retaliation. We must also work to modernize the military health system to ensure that the health needs of military women – including reproductive health care – are fully supported. We must promote family policies that provide military families with additional opportunities and much-needed flexibility, including increased access to child care and parental leave. And we must never forget the women who protect us when their service ends. Women veterans are the fastest growing population served by the VA, and we need new funding to ensure they receive the equal and respectful access to health care they deserve.




Sanders:I am proud of and grateful for the millions of women who have served in the United States Armed Forces throughout American history. Women in the military have made invaluable contributions to our nation's safety and deserve the unqualified recognition by all Americans for their service and sacrifices.

As President, I will continue the Obama Administration's historic policy of opening all combat roles to women. This decision is past due, especially because women in the military have long served in the face of danger. In modern wars, there are no front lines. In Iraq and Afghanistan, hundreds of female soldiers made the ultimate sacrifice for their nation. That solemn fact must be understood and honored by our nation.


Kasich:...........

 

Angrydemex

(43 posts)
78. Well that was nice of Hillary
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:55 AM
Apr 2016

Addressing harassment is very important. However, I don't believe it would've changed anything. You've got to think what kind of environment that the females are in when they join the military. Not to insult our service members ( I was in the Army myself) but I know what kind of people enlist. They're not the most intellectual people out there. As a matter of fact it's not just females being sexually harassed but the majority of sexual assaults in the military are male on male. So yes I commend Hillary on what she did. Though I'm not a fan of any organization that invades other countries for no reason. But to say that Bernie hasn't fought for social injustices is ignorant. Bernie has been arrested for fighting for what he believed in and has voted yes on plenty of bills benefitting women.

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
84. She will, and will address all kinds of sexual assault-male or female
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:59 AM
Apr 2016

I do realize that the male on male assault is a huge problem as I had a brother in the service not to long ago--and he has told me some horror stories.
I do not that Sanders will and has signed legislation benefiting women and their families.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
135. My daughter was a Medical Officer deployed
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

with the Marines in the ME. She says that almost all the medical complaints from female military personnel, both officers and enlisted were G.U. tract infections caused by "holding it" during the night rather than going to the head and risk being sexually assaulted by fellow Marines. Never had an instance of a male patient claiming injury due to 'male on male sexual assault'. I'm sure it happens, too but I question that the majority of sexually assaulted in the service is predominantly male on male.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
86. S. 1581 (113th): Survivors of Military Sexual Assault and Domestic Abuse Act of 2013
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:30 AM
Apr 2016

A bill to authorize the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to provide counseling and treatment for sexual trauma to members of the Armed Forces, to require the Secretary to screen veterans for domestic abuse, to require the Secretary to submit reports on military sexual trauma and domestic abuse, and for other purposes.



Yep, Bernie is ignoring the issue by sponsoring bills to deal with it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
54. When you have gone to the lengths to which she has gone
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

and been in the front so far when all this started and everything you try backfires and you have moved down in the polls when you were so sure that you were inevitable and that this would all be so easy it stands to reason that it is going to make you kind of angry.

Well Hillary now you see why we are so angry.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
64. nobody's forcing her to do this.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

I often wonder why she subjects herself to it all, and why she makes stupid decisions that make things worse.

oregonjen

(3,341 posts)
61. Could it have been a planned "I'm tough" response that backfired on her?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

Her advisors haven't given her stellar advice, perhaps this is another misstep? Sure made her look awful.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
127. Good point about "backfired". It looked like a response to question that really
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

was not asked. The question was would she stop accepting fossil energy money. Her response attacked the Bernie campaign for lying about her. It looked practiced and not relevant to actual question asked.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
62. It's in the bag.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

What's in the bag?
Your money.
All of it?
Yeah, all of it.
So, how much is there?
The amount we agreed upon, $21 million.
Just for giving some speeches to Wall Street bankers?
Yeah, we think it was worth it.
Wow, that sure is a lot of money.
Yeah, but remember what you said in those speeches, now.
Oh, I will, you can count on me.
I'm sure we can, 'cuz we made transcripts of those speeches.
You have transcripts of the speeches I gave?
Oh yeah, and plenty of copies of them, do you want some copies?
Oh, hell, no, why would I want copies of those speeches.
Well, you do your part, and we'll hold up our end of the bargain.
Oh, I will.
You better, or somehow those transcripts are going to wind up on the 11 o'clock news, capish?
Capish!

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
77. come on
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:54 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders walked off the set of an interview a few weeks ago. Just bang and gone. Whose(else) got temperament?????????????????

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
138. Bernie Sanders: "Thank-you, thank-you very much!"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

Reporter: "First candidate that has ever walked away!"

Sanders: "I told you had 4 minutes, you had more than 4 minutes and you persisted."

Reporter: "I am a reporter, that is what we do!"

A rule about journalism, do not make the story about yourself. The reporter did exactly that.

It goes on:

Sanders: "Do not say I walk, how much time did we give, more than four minutes (asking the question of somebody else), that was the time we agreed on (to the reporter)."

Reporter: "I... am... not gonna squabble this..."

Sanders then sits down for another interview. So the question is, where did Sanders walk off to?

Full video here:

http://www.12news.com/news/bernie-sanders-walks-out-of-interview/88844882

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
82. She's definitely under a lot of pressure
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:17 AM
Apr 2016

But, one thing that worries me is that her campaign has been controlling the questions she gets and preventing real challenges as much as possible. Remember how W had to be staged and handled in order to avoid showing ignorance? We can only hope that someone would do the same for her!
I wonder if people are confusing calculated toughness with an inability to tolerate criticism. All presidents face constant criticism. I shudder to imagine press conferences!

What happen if someone shouts "you lie" during a SOTU speech? You know that republicans are compiling a "how to provoke Hillary guide."

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
140. George-the-Lesser also wore a reciever under his coat jacket.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

It was plainly visible in several photos taken from the rear during the debates.

There is only one other possibility:
that lump was the place where Cheney's puppet strings hooked into George's back.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
89. Maybe it isn't the pressure of campaigning -- Nancy Reagan's funeral
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:54 AM
Apr 2016

was not buckling under pressure. She just made stuff up. Not in response to questions and not in response to someone she errantly believed was a Bernie supporter. It was one of the strangest moments of the campaign season so far.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
94. Perhaps she found her conscience
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

and suddenly realized she knowingly aided and abetted an unjust war resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead people.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
102. No she isnt, she is one tough cookie...Nor is Bernie going negative by pointing out facts about
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

bundlers and who the money comes from.

I cant wait for this to be over.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
123. Maybe it is as simple as the fact that her entire strategy was based on being able to focus
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

on the Republican nominee by March. She is looking forward to the world series, forgetting that there is a division playoff series still being played.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
142. BUT, BUT... She has female parts!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016

And, I'm going to H E double tooth picks if I don't join in with all the OTHER VAGINAS and forget about all her fucking bad decisions, taking money from Wall Street, Health Care, and Prison Industrial complex... ALL THE WHILE changing her positions because of Bernie's strong and consistent and popular positions.

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